Hansard Summary

The afternoon sitting descended into disorder as members repeatedly refused to take their seats, insert voting cards, or comply with voting procedures, shouting “No!” throughout. The Temporary Deputy Chairlady and the Speaker repeatedly called for order, attempted roll‑call and a mlolongo vote, and highlighted disputes over quorum and the legitimacy of the count. The session ended without a clear resolution of the procedural impasse. Members debated an amendment to the 2018 Finance Bill that would impose VAT on petroleum products, highlighting a projected Kshs67.5 billion budget gap and warning that the tax rate could be altered arbitrarily by the Cabinet Secretary. The discussion turned chaotic, with repeated shouts of “Zero!” and procedural interruptions before the temporary deputy chair attempted to restore order and move to a vote. Members voiced strong frustration over alleged manipulation of voting cards, inconsistent quorum figures and faulty electronic displays during a vote, accusing the House of dishonesty and conspiracy. The Speaker intervened repeatedly, citing constitutional rules and attempting to restore order amid chaotic interruptions. The exchange underscored concerns about procedural transparency and the integrity of parliamentary voting processes.

Sentimental Analysis

Negative

THE PARLIAMENT OF KENYA

NATIONAL ASSEMBLY

THE HANSARD

SPECIAL SITTING Thursday, 20th September 2018

[The Speaker (Hon. Justin Muturi) in the Chair]
Hon. Speaker

Order Hon. Members! Hon. Members, I can see there is a lot of interest in the business that is almost before the House. Due to the late period at which we concluded the consideration of the Supplementary Estimates, the Supplementary Appropriations Bill is in the final stages of preparation. It will be made available to the House in the next 30 to 50 minutes. Therefore, for the convenience of the House, I rearrange the business for consideration by the House such that the business appearing as Order Nos.8, 9 and 10 (i) be conducted after the business appearing as Order No.10 (ii) has been concluded. Therefore, can you read Order No.10?

Sorry, Hon. Members. There is a Supplementary Order Paper which has Order No.10 as a Procedural Motion dealing with the reduction of the Publication Period of the Supplementary Appropriations Bill. In keeping with our rules, the Leader of the Majority Party may not, in moving that Motion, refer to a Bill that is not before the House. That business is also to be rearranged until such time as copies of the Bill will have been made available to Hon. Members and the entire House. It is the business appearing as Order Nos.8, 9 and 10 that my earlier comments relate to. Order No.11

(i)

is affected.

Therefore, the Clerk may proceed.

COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE HOUSE

[The Speaker (Hon. Justin Muturi) left the Chair]

IN THE COMMITTEE

CONSIDERATION OF THE PRESIDENT’S RESERVATIONS TO THE FINANCE BILL, 2018

The Temporary Deputy Chairlady (Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya)

Members, we are in the Committee of the whole House to consider the President’s Reservations to the Finance Bill (National Assembly Bill No.20 of 2018) .

Hon. Members

On a point of order! The Temporary Deputy Speaker (Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya) : Members, please go to the Supplementary Order Paper.

Hon. Members

We do not have it!

The Temporary Deputy Chairlady (Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya)

We will make sure that everyone has a copy. Members, we will wait until Members have copies of the Order Paper. Serjeant-at-Arms, please circulate copies of the Order Paper.

Hon. Members, I hope everyone has a copy of the Order Paper. They are in circulation and they should be reaching you.

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady.

The Temporary Deputy Chairlady (Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya)

We have not even started, Hon. Kajwang’. We have not started anything.

(Loud consultations)
The Temporary Deputy Chairlady (Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya)

Sorry, Hon. Members, let us hear Hon. Kajwang’

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, allow me to raise a point of order. Protect me from the Chief Whip, who is standing between me and the Chair. In keeping with the Standing Orders, in Committees of the whole House, we always begin with other substantive parts of the Bill before we come to the definitive clauses of the Bill. This is because as you will realize, the term “winnings” was never either in the Bill before or in the text that was taken to the President. There will be issues as to whether the definition of the term “winnings” will affect the substance of the Bill or not. In keeping with the Standing Orders, can we begin with Clause 18? When we are done with the Bill, we will then come to Clause 2.

I submit.

The Temporary Deputy Chairlady (Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya)

Hon. Kajwang’, there is no harm in that. We shall start with Clause 18. Clause 18

Hon. Aden Duale

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move:

THAT, Clause 18 of the Bill be amended by deleting paragraph (b) .

The Temporary Deputy Chairlady (Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya)

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, this is the crux of the matter. I want people to listen to me. This is the most important matter. You remember in Clause 18, the amendment of Hon. Junet proposed to amend Section B of Part I of the First Schedule to the VAT Act, 2013 by deleting the expression “1st September 2016” appearing in paragraph (ii). That is what we did in this House. Because the President has returned it, let me go on record that as we speak today, the VAT on petroleum products as passed by the House in 2013 stands. Whatever action we take this afternoon will change that position.

I really want to speak to those who are saying “no” and ‘yes” so that we deal with this matter in the interest of the people of Kenya. So, notwithstanding paragraph (i), the exemption was to be extended by a further two years from 1st September 2018. The President disagrees with that, as provided in the Memorandum he has sent which is in the Order Paper and which I beg to move as it is.

I will now go to the justification of why the President felt that he should disagree with the House and reduce the 16 per cent which was passed in 2013. After listening to the people of Kenya and their concerns, he said let us reduce it for this year to 8 per cent. The import of this provision is that at 16 per cent, the National Treasury was to collect a revenue of about Kshs35 billion by the end of June 2019. This figure is already factored in the revenue estimates for this financial year, Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman.

The Temporary Deputy Chairlady (Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya)

Hon. Duale, you are addressing someone who is not here.

Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I am sorry.

You know I have never been in the teachers’ union, so I do not panic. And I have enough shocks. So, Hon. Milemba, I am not the Teachers Service Commission Chief Executive Officer who you could intimidate. I am the Member for Garissa Township.

This figure of Kshs35 billion was factored in the Budget of 2018/2019 by this House itself. Further extension of this will create a huge deficit in the Budget that this House has passed. This morning we were dealing with that deficit. In the course of approving the Finance Bill, 2018, the National Assembly removed other policy measures that could have given us more revenue.

In sum, the Finance Bill, 2018 as currently approved by the House, has created a financial gap of Kshs48.6 billion. This is in addition to Kshs18.9 billion which was the gap that we passed with the Appropriation Bill of Financial Year 2018/2019, which we are amending this afternoon, when we get copies. The question that we beg to ask ourselves is that we are, therefore, looking at a budget-funding gap of Kshs67.5 billion in Financial Year 2018/2019 from this amendment.

If you look at the Public Finance Management Act Section 50 (4) , it is incumbent upon this House to pass a budget that balances. There are a number of people who asked: Why are we

charging VAT on petroleum products? Number one, as we stand today, this is the first time we are charging VAT on petroleum products. Suppliers of this product are currently not able to claim any investment in terms of input on VAT. If we pass this legislation today, then they will join the rest of the other suppliers in the country whose products are VAT-chargeable. This will trickle down to the consumers of such suppliers.

More fundamentally, this is the one reason the country must know, unlike other sectors in the economy, the Government… This House, under the leadership of the former chair of the

Committee on Delegated Legislation, who is now the presiding Chair, passed the Energy

The Temporary Deputy Chairlady (Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya)

Very well, the Leader of the Majority Party.

The Temporary Deputy Chairlady (Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya)

Member for Bomachoge. But before that, I see the Leader of the Minority Party. You have the benefit of precedence.

Hon. John Mbadi (Suba South, ODM)

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady. I want to support this amendment. I just want to say two things. We are all aware that the Bill that we took to the President was suspended.

Hon. Members

Zero! Zero!

Hon. John Mbadi (Suba South, ODM)

I hear people talking about zero. There is no zero-rating of petroleum products. What is there is that we had asked the President….

Hon. Members

No! No! No!

The Temporary Deputy Chairlady (Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya)

Order Members! Please, let us allow the Leader of Minority to have his say.

Hon. John Mbadi (Suba South, ODM)

Before my colleagues who are saying “zero” proceed, I want to say one thing: I am one of the people who were against levying any tax on petroleum products, and for a very good reason. My thinking was that it would send a negative signal to the economy. However, I want to put it clearly that if the 8 per cent tax is implemented properly, even transporters and matatu operators must understand that the 8 per cent VAT on petroleum products is not effectively 8 per cent because if you go down, you will find that Excise Duty is removed as you calculate the 8 per cent.

Hon. Members

Zero! Zero! Zero! Hon. Temporary Deputy Chair, you now see why these Members come here and when they leave, they do not even know what they passed. They are shouting “zero” instead of engaging in debate.

The Temporary Deputy Chairlady (Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya)

Order, Members! Whichever side of the divide you are in, how will you be heard if you shout? Let us listen to the Leader of the Minority Party. We are not in Second Reading. So, please, be brief and to the point, Hon. Mbadi.

Hon. Member

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady!

Hon. John Mbadi (Suba South, ODM)

What is out of order? You do not even understand what I am saying.

So, I support. Hon. Members: Zero! Zero! Zero!

The Temporary Deputy Chairlady (Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya)

Let us hear Hon. Kajwang’

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady. I thank those Members who are saying “zero”. I rise to oppose. Just before we vote, I want Members to know what they are voting for. I want to refer you to the Value Added Tax Act, Section 5, which states that the rate of taxation shall be zero per cent or 16 per cent. Section 6 gives the Cabinet Secretary (CS) powers to amend the rate of tax even through a Gazette Notice, if a value or percentage has been added to it. What does it mean? It means that if today we give 8 per cent, in the next one week, the CS will, by way of a Gazette Notice, without coming to the National Assembly, increase it to a maximum of 25 per cent. That is the law. For that reason, I oppose.

Hon. Members

Zero! Zero! Zero!

The Temporary Deputy Chairlady (Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya)

Order! Order, Members! I cannot put the Question when you are screaming. We cannot proceed when you are screaming. I will proceed and put the Question in silence.

(Question, that the words to be left out

The Temporary Deputy Chairlady (Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya)

be left out, put and agreed to)

Hon. Members

No! No!

(Loud consultations)
The Temporary Deputy Chairlady (Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya)

Order, Hon. Members! Hon. Members, Order!

Hon. Members, take your seats. Take your seats, Hon. Members. Serjeant-at-Arms, I order that we have the bell rung for five minutes to prepare for voting. Ring the bell.

Order, Hon. Members! Order, Hon. Members! Hon. Members, the bell is ringing and at the stop of the bell you will start voting. Take your seats, Hon. Members! Once the bell stops you start voting. Take your seats.

Hon. Nkatha, take your seat. Hon. Members, take your seats. Order, Hon. Members! Get ready to vote. The bell is ringing. Those asking for points of order, there is nothing out of order. Just prepare yourselves to vote. Open the doors. Keep the doors open.

The Temporary Deputy Chairlady (Hon. (Ms) Soipan Tuya)

Order, Hon. Members! Now can we have the Bars drawn? The five minutes are over. Close the doors and let us get down to voting. Get ready. Stop making noise. Insert your cards. There is nothing out of order when you are voting. Hon. Jaldesa, insert your card ready for voting.

Order! Hon. Members, take out your cards.

Hon. Members

Duale must go! Duale must go!

The Temporary Deputy Chairlady (Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya)

Order, Hon. Members! Put in your cards, Hon. Members. Now sit down and vote. Put your cards, Hon. Members. Log in your cards now, Hon. Members.

Hon. Members

No! No! No! No voting!

(Loud consultations)
The Temporary Deputy Chairlady (Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya)

Order Members. Hon. Members, we will be guided by the Standing Orders. I now direct the Clerks-at-the Table under Standing Order No. 72 to take a head count of the number of Members in the House. Hon. Members, take your seats.

Nobody is allowed to leave the House at the moment. Order Members! Hon. Members, take your seats. Hon. Wanyonyi, take your seat. The head count has been taken. We have a total of 215 Members present in the House. In that case, the Ayes have it, Hon. Members.

Hon. Members

No! No!

The Temporary Deputy Chairlady (Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya)

Serjeant-at-Arms, open the Bars. Hon. Members, do you want to do mlolongo?

Hon. Members

Yes! Yes!

The Temporary Deputy Chairlady (Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya)

Okay, fine. Listen, Hon. Members, take one queue. Let us do mlolongo. Take one queue. All of you go to one side. This is the queue, Hon. Members.

Hon. Members

Sialai must go! Sialai must go! No! No! No! No voting! No mlolongo!

The Temporary Deputy Chairlady (Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya)

Order, Members. Let us be silent. Hon. Members, can you be honest? Do you want the count to happen? Do you want us to count the Members? Then let us do it in an orderly manner. Take your seats Members. Hon. Mishra and your team, please take your seats.

Hon. Members, take your seats. We are taking a roll call.

The Temporary Deputy Chairlady (Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya)

Take your seats, Hon. Members. Please take your seats.

Hon. Kamket and Hon. Millie, please take your seats. Let us take our seats and then we can take the roll call.

(Loud consultations)
The Temporary Deputy Chairlady (Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya)

Hon. Members, we are taking the roll call. When I call your name, make your stand whether you are voting “no” or “yes”. That is simple enough, Hon. Members. That is simple.

Sit down Members.

(Applause)
Hon. Members

No! No! Why are you counting us? No! No!

The Temporary Deputy Chairlady (Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya)

Hon. Members, do you really want to vote?

Hon. Bashir Abdullahi, say “yes” or “no”. Okay, you will sign.

Bashir Abdullahi)

Bashir Abdullahi)

Order, Members! Hon. Members, you cannot be hypocritical. If you want to vote, then let us have the vote. Do you want a vote? Do you want to confirm the numbers?

Hon. Member

We want to do a roll call. The only way the HANSARD will show we were here …..

(Loud consultations)
Hon. Member

Let us engage the Speaker.

The Temporary Deputy Chairlady (Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya)

Order Members!

The Temporary Deputy Chairlady (Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya)

(Grave disorder)

Hon. Speaker

Order, Members! Take your seats!

(Loud consultations)
Hon. Members

No! No! Zero! Zero!

Hon. Speaker

You have liberty in the House to take whatever position on a matter. Hon. Members, the House must at all times be guided by its own rules.

Hon. Members, you were in Committee of the whole House. Some of you claimed for a division.

Hon. Members

No! No!

Hon. Speaker

Hon. Members, when the House is transacting business that requires a fixed threshold, at all times, the Chair must confirm that there is the requisite quorum.

Hon. Members

There was quorum!

Hon. Speaker

Hon. Members, the figures that were given were disputed by a section of Members. How can you complain that any Member walked out?

Hon. Members

No! No!

Hon. Speaker

Hon. Wanyama!

Hon. Jaldesa! Hon. Members, you will have to go by the rules. Let me tell you that, any time there is voting and specific threshold is required, it must be ascertained that there is presence of that number in the House. Hon. Members, just listen! None of you keeps the count.

(Loud consultations)
Hon. Members

On a point of order!

Hon. Speaker

Let me make it absolutely clear that you all know that walking out or walking in is part of your rights.

Hon. Members, when you start telling me that anybody was influenced, I do not know whether anybody is playing some magic to influence another here. Hon. Members, there is no debate.

Hon. Speaker

Hon. Millie Odhiambo, there is no debate. The House was in Committee of the whole House. At that time, even the Division Bell was rung.

Hon. Members

No!

Hon. Speaker

Hon. Members, do not address me as though I was in outer space. I was just here.

Hon. Members

Muturi must go! Muturi must go!

Hon. Speaker

Proceed! Proceed! But I can assure you that the House must conduct its business in a manner that reflects its decorum. The House must conduct its business in a manner that reflects its decorum and dignity. Therefore, if the dispute is with regard to the result of the division…

Hon. Simba Arati…

Hon. Richard Onyonka, you have no authority to address me. I must get advice from the lead Clerk-at-the Table.

Hon. Members

Haki yetu! Haki yetu! Haki yetu!

Hon. Speaker

Hon. Members, this will not last long because the House must transact. There have arisen some disputes from you making certain claims.

Hon. Members

Yes.

Hon. Speaker

I will listen to the claims a maximum of…

Hon. Members

Muturi for president! Muturi for president!

Hon. Speaker

Hon. Members, because the House is still sitting and there has arisen that dispute, we will listen to a maximum of 10 Members, five from each side and each Member shall speak for a period of two minutes, after which, I will make a determination. In the meantime, I direct the Serjeant-at-Arms to open the doors.

(Loud consultations)
(Loud consultations)
Hon. Speaker

have agreed on five. Whoever is going to speak, we have agreed he is going to speak on behalf of the majority.

The Leader of the Majority Party and the Leader of the Minority, you will have to listen to this. Let them say what they have to say. Who is this talking on phone? The Lady from Laikipia County, Hon. Jaldesa and the Member for Mandera North.

We agreed on five Members from each side. There is nothing out of order now. We are not going to operate that way. These are the Members who are going to speak for a maximum of two minutes each, or one and a half as you say, namely, Hon. TJ Kajwang’, Hon. Mohamed Ali, Hon. Makali Mulu, Hon. Millie Odhiambo and Hon. Zuleikha. From this side, Hon. Waruguru, Hon. Jaldesa, Hon. Abdullahi, Hon. Tuwei from Mosop and Hon. Wamuchomba. That is five.

(Loud consultations)

Hon. Speaker, I may have lost my voice, but I will try to address you in the best way. With a lot of respect, Hon. Speaker, when we went into Committee, Clause 18 was called by the Chairperson and Members made representations and a vote was called according to the Standing Orders.

(Loud consultations)

You can do nothing to me. This is Bunge.

Hon. Speaker

Order, Hon. Kajwang’. I think you have prosecuted your point. Let me appeal to you: Do not make any direct attacks on one another, please. Just address whatever issue you want to address through the Chair.

Hon. Mohamed Ali.

Mhe. Spika, Shukrani sana kwa kunipa fursa hii. Kwanza kabisa, ningependa kuweka rekodi sawa kabisa. La kwanza na muhimu zaidi ni kwamba idadi ya Wabunge waliokuwa wakitaka kupiga kura ilikuwa mia asili mia. Ya pili, swali likauliza na Wabunge wote kwa kauli moja wakakubaliana na kupinga na kusema ya kwamba hawatakubali kama wanavyotaka ila kama anavyotaka Wanjiku. Hamna mtafaruku wowote ambao umetokea baina yetu.

Wakati ambapo Mwenyekiti aliomba tupige kura, tulikubaliana kwa kauli moja tuweke foleni lakini baadhi ya viongozi ndani ya Bunge, wakiwemo Duale na Mbadi, wakaanza kuiingilia na kuzuia upigaji wa kura.

(Loud consultations)
Hon. Speaker

Hon. Members, I want to listen to what the Member is saying.

Ya pili, tunataka access to information. Tunataka kujua venye kila Mbunge atakavyopiga kura. Kura tumepiga. Tumemaliza kupiga kura. Na kauli mbiu ni kwamba Wabunge wamekataa. Nitampisha ndugu yangu naye achangie kwa dakika moja yangu.

Amenidonetia dakika moja, Mhe. Spika.

Hon. Speaker

That is wrong. Hon. Mohamed Ali, that is disorder, because there are very many Members who needed to speak, but we agreed it is five-five. To want to use the Floor to donate other time is not right. We could have said even 10 Members.

Hon. Makali Mulu.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. As you have heard, the no vote carried the day. Procedurally, what is expected is for people to stand wherever they are if they want to go for a division. I can confirm nobody stood up. Instead, people started walking out. So, the issue is: Should they have stood in their places to be counted so that we go for a division or should they have walked out? From that point, we lost it. But the vote was taken and the no carried it.

Thank you.

Hon. Speaker

Hon. Millie Odhiambo.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Procedurally, I want to reiterate what the Member has said. The Chair was very categorical when she called out the vote and the Noes had it. For her to do that, she must have first convinced herself that there was quorum. The quorum for such a matter is two-thirds and she convinced herself that we had two-thirds and we took the vote.

Thereafter, we were being forced to go into a further voting after we had voted. Being obedient Members of Parliament, we were even willing to subject ourselves to that, but even the mode that was used to determine the number of Members was extremely faulty. We even challenged that, because at that point, Members had already finished. We had already voted. No Member on the other side stood in their place. It was over. Now, when we were dancing, some

are celebrating, some are out, some are in the toilet, they purported to do a vote. If you looked at the electronic system, it showed we were even more than the actual legal numbers. Jesus Christ and religious and spiritual leaders, including Muslim ones, were with us in this House. That is why the numbers were higher.

Finally, I want to reiterate what Hon. Mohammed Ali has said. Article 35 of the Constitution on freedom and access to information which is also contained in the access to information Act says that we must know who was in the House.

Hon. Speaker

Let us have Hon. Zuleikha. Please, do it in two minutes

Ahsante sana, Mhe. Spika kwa kunipatia nafasi hii ya kuzungumza. Tulipiga kura kama wenzangu walivyosema na tukakataa na tukafaulu na Mhe. Naibu Spika wa Muda akakubali. Lakini baadaye, kukawa kuna wengine ambao wanataka tupige kura kupitia tarakilishi. Kwa hivyo, tukaweka kadi zetu na zikaonyesha idadi kubwa zaidi ya mia tatu hamsini na mbili. Kukawa na utatanishi kwa sababu hiyo idadi si ya jumla ya Bunge kwa hivyo, haiwezekani. Makarani wakaanza kutuhesabu sisi na vidole kwa kweli, huwezi kuhesabu watu katika chumba kikubwa kama hiki kwa vidole. Kwa hivyo, hiyo kura haiwezi kuwa halali.

Mlango ukafungwa lakini Serjeant-at-Arms wakawakubalia wengine kutoka. Mimi nimekuwa hapa Bunge kwa muhula wa pili na ninajua kwamba mlango ukifungwa Wabunge hawaruhusiwi kuingia na kutoka. Saa hizi, hakuna njia ya kuonyesha ni Mbunge yupi alikuwa ndani. Ni haki ya wananchi kujua ni nani yuko na wao na nani hawako na wao. Kwa hivyo, ninataka utusaidie tupate huo ujumbe. Shukrani sana.

Hon. Speaker

Let us have Hon. Waruguru.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker for according me this rare opportunity to explain the situation. You realise that this House is covered by CCTV cameras and there is nothing happening which is not recorded. For the sake of the HANSARD and moving forward in terms of the way this House is going to be judged by Kenyans and the people who have been critiquing the legislative arm outside there, the truth of the matter is that there was a unanimous “No”. For that purpose, there was no need for a Division Bell. That came as an after-thought when the Hon. Leader of the Majority Party caused confusion at the Floor of the House by championing people to walk out of the Chamber. So for that reason, let it come on record. I support a “No”, I am standing with zero and nobody can take away the rights of Kenyans.

Thank you.

Hon. Speaker

Hon. Rehema Jaldesa.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. What my colleagues have stated is the true position. The Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady called for a Division, but 99 per cent of the House had voted “No”. At that point, the Leader of the Majority Party started pushing people to go out and he locked some people in the toilet. So, we voted “No” and shall still vote “No”. It is dishonest when the media was put off and they sent a fake message out there that the Bill was passed. The Bill was not passed and we rejected the proposal.

Thank you.

Hon. Speaker

Next is Hon. Abdikhaim.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker, I want to reiterate what other Members have said before me. When the vote was happening, two-thirds of the Members were present in the House. However, when that happened, some Members were forced to walk out of the Chambers and that resulted in numbers not being enough. Even after

they walked out, I suspect we had the numbers. The issue that came into play is that the Members who remained here became agitated and that is why there was bit of confusion and disorder, but from where I sat, the “Noes” had the majority. Thank you.

Hon. Speaker

Let us have Hon. Tuwei.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. What is at play here is parliamentary democracy guided by its own rules. Under Article 95 of our Constitution, which is very clear on the mandate we have today of representation, legislation and oversight, one cannot believe what we have seen here today when Members took a vote and there was an equivocal “No” in the whole House.

Hon. Speaker, I am a first-time Member and if this is how Parliament is going to be conducted, the public there will not have confidence in us. I wonder why we have gadgets before us showing the programme of voting. We voted and it totalled to 352; rigging which surprised us.

Hon. Speaker, the vote was taken and the “Noes” had it. As a Member of Parliament for Mosop, I cannot stand this. I have been sent here to represent my people and I must be given my position to state it clearly whether “Ayes” or “Noes”, but not what we have seen here. Games are being played and party positions are here, but it has come to Members’ position to realise where they want to vote. I have seen Members’ position to decide where to cast their vote. I have seen Members’ cards being taken away including my neighbour’s here. All these cards have been taken by a Member and he has disappeared to the toilet. It is a shame. We cannot conduct the House business like this.

Hon. Speaker

Hon. Members, you are also being dishonest. We agreed that we were going to have five Members from every side and so, we are through on this side. How many people have spoken? Please, on this side, Hon. T.J Kajwang’ has spoken. We are not repeating, Hon. Makali Mulu, Hon Zuleikha and Hon. Millie Odhiambo have spoken and we only have one Member from this side. Hon. Wamuchomba.

Hon Shakeel, why are you behaving that way? You are doing your third term. I thought you would be the one to show the way and you are the Chair of the African Parliamentarians Network Against Corruption (APNAC) . Let us allow Hon. Wamuchomba to speak.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker for giving me this opportunity. I want to, indeed, confirm that when we came in the House, we had enough numbers, but I am very concerned about the conspiracy that has been seen in this House to ensure that they create a divide. Even when Members have soundly given their views, I want to understand the technology in the House which is actually deceiving Members. The screens were showing that we had 352 Members. How did they come up with that number, yet you say there is no quorum?

I have some information that the 411 platform has sent information to the effect that the Bill has been passed, which is completely wrong. This is shameful. We cannot allow that. We came here dedicated, ready and committed to stand with Wanjiku. We must stand with Wanjiku, no matter what.

Hon. Speaker

Hon. Members, we agreed that we will have five Members from the left side to express themselves and five from the right side. The issue being raised is one of numbers.

Hon. Speaker

The two of you, do not tell me. That is to the two of you, Hon. Tuwei and Hon. Wamuchomba. I was just here observing what was on the screens. If you read Article 97 of the Constitution, it shows you the numbers of this House. They are 349. It is, indeed, true. Part of the reason why I came in is because I got shocked how the screens could show that 352 Members were present.

(Loud consultations)
(Loud consultations)
(Loud consultations)
[The Speaker (Hon. Justin Muturi) in the Chair]
Hon. Speaker

Hon. Members, I appreciate that some of you may have taken a tea break. It is only fair that we alert them that we are starting the business of the House. Serjeant-at-Arms, ring the bell for five minutes.

(Loud consultations)
Hon. Speaker

Order Members. We may now resume.

Hon. Richard Onyonka (Kitutu Chache South, FORD-K)

On a point of order, Hon. Speaker.

Hon. Speaker

What is your point of order, Hon. Onyonka? How can there be a point of order? What is out of order?

Hon. Richard Onyonka (Kitutu Chache South, FORD-K)

Thank you.

Hon. Speaker

Hon. Onyonka, thank you for what? Hon. Members, as you know, this is a House of rules. This is a copy of the Constitution of Kenya, 2010. I am doing this, Hon. Members, just to remind ourselves of my Communication on Tuesday, but in very minor details.

Article 122 of the Constitution is headed, “Voting in Parliament.” Clause (1) says: “Except as otherwise provided in this Constitution, any question proposed for decision in either House of Parliament shall be determined by a majority of the members in that House, present and voting.” The operative words are “except as otherwise provided in this Constitution.” So, is there anything that is exceptional? Yes, and I am sure you all know it: Presidential Assent and Referral. Article 115 (4) says:

“Parliament, after considering the President’s reservations, may pass the Bill a second time, without amendment, or with amendments that do not fully accommodate the President’s reservations, by a vote supported-

Hon. Speaker

For that to happen, whether in the plenary or in committee, where there is a fixed majority requirement, the first step is to ascertain the presence in the House of not less than two-thirds of the Members of the Assembly present and voting.

Hon. Members, as far as I am concerned, and I am sure all of you know the official record of Parliament and of this House is the HANSARD. I have got a transcription of all what transpired in the Committee of the whole House. I now want to read.

Hon. Members, take your seats. Take your seats, Hon. Members. Serjeant-at-Arms, I order that the bell be rung for five minutes to prepare for voting. Ring the bell.

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Hon. Member

On a point of order.

Hon. Speaker

Hon. Member, you are out of order. Hon. Member, you are out of order. You are out of order.

Hon. Member, you are out of order! I am reading the official record.

Hon. Members

No!

Hon. Speaker

You can all deny, but there will be no other official record.

Hon. Murunga, there will not be any other official record of the proceedings of that time except this one. It reads:

Hon. Speaker

“Hon. Members, once the Bell stops ringing, you start voting. Take your seats”.

Hon. Member

On a point of order!

Hon. Speaker

There cannot be any point of order. I am the one delivering this.

Hon. Member, because you are not very regular, I am not able to remember your name or recognize your face well, but very soon, I will know your name. It is the Member for Rongo. Member for Rongo Constituency, please, relax. Hon. Members, I am not going to look for any other official record except this one. Each of you is at liberty to obtain a copy of the HANSARD which continues to say...”

Hon. Member

On a point of order!

Hon. Speaker

There is no point of order!

Hon. Member

On a point of information!

Hon. Speaker

I am not going to take information.

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Hon. Speaker

Nobody is allowed to leave the House at the moment. Hon. Wanyonyi, take your seat. The head count has been taken. We have a total of 215 Members present in the House. In that case, the Ayes have it.”

Hon. Members, that is the record of the proceedings of this House as captured in the HANSARD.

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Hon. Speaker

Order, Hon. Members! We have had more than enough consultations. Hon. Members, we have done more than enough consultations and, as far as I am concerned, until or unless a court of law invalidates the record here, I have no other record to go by, except the HANSARD. It is the official record of Parliament and of this House in particular. It, therefore, means, as the record shows, that the clause that was being considered…

Rightfully, the record shows Hon. Kajwang’ had said it should be Clause 18. It is the record that I am reading. The vote on that clause was lost on the basis that you did not have 233 Members opposing.

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COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE HOUSE

[The Speaker (Hon. Justin Muturi) left the Chair]

IN THE COMMITTEE

[The Deputy Chairman (Hon. Justin Muturi) took the Chair]

CONSIDERATION OF THE PRESIDENT’S RESERVATIONS TO THE FINANCE BILL, 2018

Hon. Deputy Chairman

Let us have the Leader of the Majority Party.

Hon. Deputy Chairman, I beg to move

THAT, Clause 31 of the Bill be amended—

Hon. Deputy Chairman

Let us have the Leader of the Majority Party.

Hon. Deputy Chairman, I beg to move

THAT, the Bill be amended by inserting the following new clause immediately after Clause 18- Amendment of section 5 of No.35 of 2018

18A. Section 5 of the Value Added Tax Act, 2013 is amended in subsection

Hon. Deputy Chairman

Let us have the Leader of the Majority Party.

Hon. Deputy Chairman, I beg to move

THAT the following new clause be inserted immediately after clause 48A— Insertion of section 8A into No. 29 of

Hon. Deputy Chairman, I beg to move

THAT, the following new clause be inserted immediately after Clause 50 — 50A. The Betting, Lotteries and Gaming Act is amended as follows — Section 29A of the Betting, Lotteries and Gaming Act is amended in subsection (1) by deleting the expression “thirty-five” and substituting therefor the expression “fifteen”. Section 44A of the Betting, Lotteries and Gaming Act is amended in subsection (1) by deleting the expression “thirty-five” and substituting therefor the expression “fifteen”. Section 55A of the Betting, Lotteries and Gaming Act is amended in subsection (1) by deleting the expression “thirty-five” and substituting therefor the expression “fifteen”. Section 59B of the Betting, Lotteries and Gaming Act is amended in subsection (1) by deleting the expression “thirty-five” and substituting therefor the expression “fifteen”.

Amendment to Sections 29A, 44A, 55A and 59B of Cap.131 Amendment of Section 29A of Cap.131 Amendment of Section 44A of Cap.131 Amendment of Section 55A of Cap.131 Amendment of Section 59B of Cap.131

Hon. Deputy Chairman, I beg to move

THAT, the following new Clause be inserted immediately after clause 78 —

Hon. Deputy Chairman, I beg to move
Hon. Deputy Chairman, I beg to move

THAT, the Bill be amended in Clause 2 by renumbering the existing provision as

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Hon. Deputy Chairman, I beg to move that the Committee doth report to the House its consideration of the Presidential Memorandum to the Finance Bill (National Assembly Bill No.20 of 2018) and its approval without amendments.

[The Speaker (Hon. Justin Muturi) in the Chair]
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REPORT CONSIDERATION OF THE PRESIDENT’S RESERVATIONS TO THE FINANCE BILL

Hon. Speaker, I beg to report that a Committee of the whole House has considered the President’s Reservations to the Finance Bill (National Assembly Bill No.20 of 2018) and approved the same without amendments.

Hon. Speaker, I beg to move that the House doth agree with the Committee in the said Report. I also request Hon. Ichung’wah to second the

Motion for the agreement with the Report of the Committee of the whole House.

Hon. Speaker, I second.

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Hon. Members

Division! Division!

Hon. Speaker

Hon. Members, you cannot claim division from the gangways!

ADJOURNMENT

Hon. Speaker

Hon. Members, the time being 6.30 p.m., the House stands adjourned until Tuesday, 2nd October 2018, at 2.30 p.m.

The House rose at 6.30 p.m.