Wednesday, 9th August 2023 Afternoon Sitting

Clerk, can you confirm whether we have the requisite quorum?

I request we ring the Bell for 10 minutes. There is no problem. We can stop it midway.

Serjearnt-at-Arms, we have quorum. Kindly stop the Bell. Clerk, read out the first Order.

Let me proceed.

I request each officer to stand when called out, so that you may be acknowledged in the Senate tradition.

Yes, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

Okay, proceed and welcome your voters.

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. On behalf of the Senate and myself, I take this opportunity to welcome the pupils from Katalel Primary School in Elgeyo Marakwet County, Keiyo North Constituency.

Welcome to the Senate. This is where your parents and your teachers brought me on the 5th of January, 2023 to represent you as your Senator. It is important to be disciplined as students, work hard, respect your parents and teachers and God will bless you. If you are disciplined, some of you might find yourselves here in the future as Senators, Women Representatives, Governors, or MCAs.

Pongezi and as you go back to Elgeyo Marakwet County, we pray that you have journey mercies. Safe journey back home; when I get an opportunity, I will see you outside there.

I thank you and may God bless you.

Thank you. I understand that the Chairperson of the Senate Standing Committee on Justice, Legal Affairs and Human Rights has a report on a Petition.

Next Order

Senate Majority Leader or his representative to lay the Papers.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table of the Senate today, 9th August, 2023 –

There is a Paper to be laid by a Member of the Senate Standing Committee on Powers and Privileges.

Okay, fine. It is not ready. Next Order.

Let us get the first Statement under Standing Order No.52 (1) .

Sen. Okenyuri, you may proceed

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.52 (1) to make a Statement on an issue of general topical concern namely, the recovery of the tourism sector in Kenya post-Corona Virus Disease (COVID-19) pandemic of 2020.

The importance of the tourism sector in the recovery of our economy cannot be gainsaid. Tourism is a top foreign exchange earner in many countries. A Dollar earned for our economy through the tourism industry comparatively has the least ratio of production cost to output.

The Ministry of Tourism, Wildlife and Heritage has been rolling out a recovery plan to revive this sector since the global slump in tourist numbers as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic.

In Kenya, tourism is a significant contributor to the country's Gross Domestic Product (GDP) . According to the annual tourism sector performance report of 2022, the sector accounts for 10.4 per cent of the country’s GDP, 5.5 per cent of Kenya’s formal employment and 4.2 per cent of the National Gross Fixed Capital Formation. The multiplier effect of the sector in trade, agriculture, construction, manufacturing, and transport sectors has led to improvements in the socio economic well-being of Kenyans.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, globally, the tourism sector has also shown great improvement with world arrivals accounting to 63 per cent of recovery against the 2019 figures. Kenya has registered 72.4 recoveries towards the 2019 figures, which is above the global average.

In 2022, international tourist arrivals stood at 1,483,752, which represents a 70.45 per cent increase as compared to arrivals of 820,465 in 2021. Inbound receipts in 2022 also grew by 83 per cent to 268.09 billion from 146.61 billion in 2021, which is drawn from the annual tourism sector performance report of 2022. According to the Annual Tourism Sector Performance Report of 2022, the Jomo Kenyatta International Airport (JKIA) recorded a 44 per cent growth in passengers compared to the year 2021.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the growth was also recorded in domestic airports such as Malindi, Kisumu and Ukunda indicating a recovery in the aviation sector for both international and domestic travel. The same growth was recorded for domestic travellers to the Coast of Kenya and other tourist destinations in the country.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the growth and improvement of the sector can be attributed to many factors including easing of the COVID-19 restrictions and thus

opening up the country; development and implementation of the tourism strategy for Kenya 2021-2025; entry of new domestic airlines; resumption of cruise tourism and destination marketing campaigns. Further, the number of international delegates attending meetings, international conferences and events also increases due to high- profile meetings held within the country.

This was attributed to a safe electioneering period and the lifting of travel advisories. However, the number is still below the pre-COVID-19 period by 30 per cent. Despite the country not attaining the performance it had before the COVID-19 pandemic, there has been improved performance in 2021 and 2022. If this growth is sustained, most tourism sectors will recover faster to surpass the 2019 numbers.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, having said the above, there is an urgent need to innovate and offer new products to our visitors to enrich their experiences while visiting the country. This calls for a new approach and deeper imagination by players in the tourism sector, the Senate being one of them.

To this end, I would like to urge the Senate to take the lead in encouraging counties that share cross-county tourism sites and facilities or tourism circuits, to collaborate and plan together by ensuring their governments engage in strategic cross- county tourism promotion programmes. Such counties should explore ways of jointly financing the development of such cross-county tourism facilities or circuits. I also urge the Senate to provide the appropriate legal framework for such collaborations.

There is also a need to increase tourism earnings from counties and ensure that these earnings trickle down to Kenyans by supporting Micro Small and Medium Enterprises (MSMEs) engaging in tourism activities.

I further urge my fellow Senators to sensitize their constituents on the need to continue protecting the environment and the wildlife as our treasured natural heritage. I also call on national and county governments to support indigenous efforts by communities to support tourism, especially in the face of climate change and the ongoing global economic turmoil.

Additionally, the national Government should support counties living along international boundaries in ensuring that the benefits from such natural resources benefit the host counties, for instance, benefits accruing from the Maasai Mara Game Reserve in Narok County, which borders Serengeti National Park in Tanzania.

I take this early opportunity to appreciate and congratulate the Ministry of Tourism, Wildlife and Heritage, and relevant Government agencies for their successful efforts towards reviving this critical industry. It is also very important for us in the legislature, even as we oversight and critique where things might not be going as desired, that we stop for a moment and appreciate the good work that the other arms of Government might be doing to uplift the wellbeing of our people.

Let us have the next Statement by the Senator for Elgeyo Marakwet County.

Sen. Faki, you know how to rise on a point of order.

Bw. Naibu Spika, taarifa aliyoisoma dada yetu Sen. Okenyuri ni muhimu sana, kwa sababu inazungumzia maswala ya utalii. Ni masikitiko kwamba ameizungumzia katika Kanuni ya Kudumu ya 52 (1) ambayo haitupi fursa hususan wale ambao wametoka kwenye maeneo ya kitalii, si kama maeneo ya Nandi ambayo hayana utalii, ili waweze kuchangia taarifa kama hii. Namshauri dadangu kwamba siku nyingine akiwa na Kauli nzuri kama hii, aweze kuileta kwa kanuni ambayo itatupa nafasi ya kuchangia.

Order, Sen. Cherarkey, why are you standing up? Sen. Faki is on a point of order. You are a ranking Member in the Senate and have been here for some time. When a Member is on a point of order, you cannot raise another one.

Sen. Faki, proceed.

Bw. Naibu Spika, wakati mwingine akileta Kauli nzuri kama hii inafaa ashauriwe na ofisi ya Katibu, ili Kauli kama hizi zisisomwe bila kuchangiwa na Maseneta wengine. Jana Sen. Okenyuri alisoma taarifa muhimu sana, lakini hatukupata---

Sen. Faki, Seneta wa Mombasa, kupitia Kanuni za Kudumu Nambari moja, nakupa nafasi uchangie kwa sababu una hamu ya kuzungumza maswala ya utalii.

Bw. Naibu Spika, Nampongeza ---

Bw. Naibu Spika, Nampongeza dada yetu Sen. Okenyuri kwa kuzungumzia swala hili la utalii. Utalii ni moja ya zile---

Naomba Sen. Faki asikizwe bila hitilafu yoyote. Utalii ni kati ya sekta za uchumi ambazo zinachangia pakubwa pesa za kigeni kuingia nchini. Jambo la kusikitisha ni kwamba utalii umewachwa nyuma katika sekta zile ambazo zitachangia kufufua uchumi wa Kenya. Wengi wa wageni wanaoingia nchini, wanakuja kupitia Jomo Kenyatta International Airport, Nairobi. Tulileta Kauli kuhusiana na kufunguliwa kwa anga huru. Ni jambo kubwa kwa sababu, watalii wengi wanaenda Zanzibar ambayo inapakana na Kenya. Kuna ndege karibu 17 zinazotua kule kila siku. Ndege hizi zinapeleka biashara na watalii.

Tukiweza kufungua anga huru kwa kaunti ya Mombasa, Kaunti ya Kilifi tufunguliwe Malindi International Airport, Kaunti ya Kisumu tufungue Kisumu International Airport; Kaunti ya Kwale tuinue uwanja wa Ndege wa Ukunda; Kaunti ya Uasin Gishu turuhusu ndege mpya za abiria katika uwanja wa Eldoret, uchumi wetu na utalii pia utainuka pakubwa. Uchumi wa Zanzibar hutegemea ufuo wa bahari. Hapa

nchini tuna fuo za Bahari. Wanyama pori, hutoka Mombasa mpaka Taita Taveta kwa ndugu yangu Sen. Mwaruma. Ni safari ya saa moja pekee yake. Tukienda Kwale kwa Sen. Boy na Sen. Chimera, kuna fuo nzuri za bahari na wanyama pori katika Mbuga za Mwaluganje na kwingineko. Wale ambao wana shida za kushika nyumba kama Sen. Cherarkey watapata pweza na ngisi katika eneo la Kwale ili kuamsha mishipa ili aweze kujipa dawa vizuri.

Swala la utalii ni muhimu sana kwenye Kaunti zetu. Hii ndiyo njia kubwa ya kuweza kuinua uchumi wa Mombasa na pwani nzima. Kutoka Lamu mpaka Shimoni kuna fuo za bahari. Kuna wale waliosema kuna simba wanaogelea kwenye sehemu ya Lamu. Tunajaribu kujenga uchumi wetu na tuweze kuinua utalii katika eneo letu la pwani.

Asante kwa kunipa fursa hii kuchangia taarifa ambayo imeletwa na dada yetu Sen. Okenyuri.

Naona kuna Maseneta kadhaa ambao wangependa kuchangia swala linalozungumziwa. Ningependa kuruhusu Seneta mmoja kutoka upande wa walio wachache na mwingine kutoka upande wa waliowengi ili tutamatishe swala hili.

Sen. Kisang’, proceed.

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. You had called me earlier to read my Statement. However, now that you have given me an opportunity---

Let us give another Member the opportunity to contribute to this issue.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, allow me to thank Sen. Okenyuri for bringing the Statement and giving us statistics on tourism in the country.

In the years 2020, 2021 and 2022, the country suffered because of the COVID-19 pandemic. Most places were closed and tourism went down to zero. However, for the last one year or so, the sector has grown. Some of our youth who had lost employment have gone back to work.

Elgeyo Marakwet County has great potential for tourism. We have Rimoi National Game Reserve that has not been fully utilised. We have had discussions with the Governor of Elgeyo Marakwet County to put up cottages. The county executive should visit Maasai Mara so that they can learn about conservancy so that we can have Appropriation in Aids arising from both local and international tourism. Senator for Narok, people are complaining that they are queuing for more than three hours at the gate of Maasai Mara because of the migration of wildebeest from Tanzania to Kenya. Maybe your county needs to do something because international and local tourists are getting frustrated. They want to visit, but they are held for more than five hours trying to go and see the Big Five in Narok County.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, ---

On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

What is your point of order?

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I am sorry I have to do this. I do not think we are doing the right thing. Under Standing Order No.52, a statement that has been issued does not have a window for Senators to contribute on that statement.

Standing Order No.1 is very clear that it only applies where there are no provisions on an issue. Standing Order No.52 is also clear.

I am just going on record, Sen. Madzayo. This is a House of record. I am just trying to say because---

Now that the Chair used Standing Order No.1, are you challenging the Chair or the process?

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, Standing Order No.1 has limitations.

Who are you challenging, Sen. Wambua?

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am challenging the ruling of the Speaker because the Speaker ---

You are out of order, Sen. Wambua. Have your seat, kindly.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, this is a House of record.

Proceed, Sen. Mwaruma. You have two minutes. Just give two minutes for every Member that speaks.

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for this opportunity to comment about this very important statement by Sen. Okenyuri. I come from Taita Taveta County and 62 per cent of the land of Taita Taveta County is under Tsavo conservation area. Much as we have tourism in my county, we are not benefitting from the proceeds and collections from Tsavo Conservation Area. However, be it at it may, I would like to mention two things. First, the Government can support tourism in Taita Taveta County by opening up Ikanga Airstrip, which was started 20 years ago. It is complete but still undergoing expansion. However, it is not in use up to now. I urge the Government that in support of growth of tourism in Taita Taveta County, that Airstrip is meant to function.

Secondly, there was a COVID-19 stimulus programme where credit of five per cent was offered. I urge the Government that we are not out of the woods yet. We still have the effects of COVID-19 up to now. I would urge that the low interest credit of five per cent to still be advanced to people who are doing tourism.

Thank you. Proceed, Sen. Miraj.

Asante, Naibu Spika.

On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

What is your point of order, Senate Majority Whip?

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, Standing Order No.101 forces me to request that the Chair becomes clearer. Sen. Wambua has breached Standing Order No.101. In the process of breaching it, he has raised a substantive issue. That can a ruling

by the Chair on a matter that is already provided for under the Standing Order, be made otherwise?

Since this is a House of record, instead of just shutting the Senator to sit down, we should come out of that corner. Let the record reflect that there are some of us who agree with Sen. Wambua. I am not discussing the Chair.

You see there are so many loopholes in these Standing Orders.

Yes.

These are the issues that we really need to-- - These Standing Orders are meant for our use. They should be as easy as possible. Why should we curtail debates because of Standing Order No.52 (1) ? Why should we do that?

I remember there is a day you brought a congratulatory message to two of our athletes. Actually, I raised that issue with the Speaker. Should Sen. Cherargei all the time when congratulating athletes who are Kenyans like us, always stand under Standing Order No.52 (1) ? The Speaker allowed us to make some comments for almost 20 minutes. So, I am doing this out of precedence.

Therefore, as I said, I was to give a chance to two more Members. I want to give you the last one on this side and then one more Senator from my left-hand side.

Asante, Naibu Spika, kwa kunipa fursa hii nichangie Kauli iliyosomwa na dada yangu, Sen. Okenyuri. Tarehe 24.4.2023, niliitisha Kauli isemayo: Kwanini anga ya Moi International Airport hairuhusu ndege za kimataifa kutua moja kwa moja?

Ninashukuru kwa sababu juma lililokwisha, Rais William Ruto pamoja na Waziri wake wa Miundo Misingi, Mhe. Murkomen, walizuru Pwani. Baada ya ziara hiyo, walitangaza ya kwamba wamefungua anga ya Mombasa ili utalii ushamiri katika majimbo yote ya Pwani.

Dada yangu Sen. Okenyuri, Mwenyezi Mungu akubariki. Sisi Wapwani tunategemea sana utalii. Utalii ndio uti wa mgongo wa uchumi wa majimbo ya Pwani. Ndiposa nimeona tunapofika hapa, sisi sio waakilishi tu wa yale maeneo tuliyotoka, bali waakilishi wa Taifa la Kenya. Kuona kwamba Mjumbe kutoka Kisii anajali wananchi na raia wenzangu wa kule ufuo wa Pwani, inanifariji roho. Hilo linaonyesha ya kwamba sisi kama taifa, tunapendana licha ya upungufu wetu na mikwaruzano ya kisiasa.

Ningependa tena kumpongeza Rais wangu kwa kuifungua anga kupitia kauli yangu. Hiyo ni kumaanisha ya kwamba sisi kama Bunge, hatuko tu hapa kuuliza kauli. Ni wazi kwamba hizo kauli zinafanyiwa kazi na Executive. Mwenyezi Mungu akubariki dada yangu Sen. Okenyuri.

Asante.

Proceed, Sen. Olekina.

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I rise to support ---

Okay, I sympathize with the Senate Minority Leader. After he finishes, I will give you a chance.

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. You have rightfully used your discretion to allow us to comment on the Statement by Sen. Okenyuri. The issue here is tourism; what it is bringing to this country and what we can do to enhance revenue that is coming from the tourism sector.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am happy that my brother raised a very serious concern about tourists queuing for long hours at Maasai Mara National Reserve. I will go and deal with that issue. I can assure you that we are making progress. We are doing away with cash payment to a cashless system. This will enable tourists to just go into the Maasai Mara National Reserve when they arrive at the gate.

It is quite clear that the revenue this year; the revenue from the tourism sector in this country is projected to go up to around Kshs430 billion. This is an upward trajectory from the previous years. In fact, if you look at tourism in the East African Region, Tanzania only has about a million tourists. Today, Kenya has almost 1.5 million tourists coming here. That means that we are doing something.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, we need to balance between supporting Kenya Airways and allowing more tourists to come. The Turkish Airlines has been pleading to be allowed to fly directly to Mombasa where they can bring in tourists all the way from Istanbul to Mombasa. That is an issue that I would want to plead with the Cabinet Secretary for Roads and Transportation, Hon. Murkomen, who is also a former distinguished Senator, to at least consider. When more tourists fly into Mombasa, we earn more revenue. I am sure they will also come inland, go to Maasai Mara and we will get more revenue. It is important that we have these direct flights.

One of our colleagues who spoke raised the issue of regional airports. Last year, I was against an airport being built in the Maasai Mara because one, it increases the saturation of carbon. The carbon foot print will be extended. Number two, animals will be disrupted. However, building it in Narok Town increases the revenue, activities and jobs in that area. So, we need to balance.

I hope that Sen. Okenyuri can bring that Statement again, using Standing Order No.53 so that we can engage the Ministry of Roads and Transportation and ensure that we have that balance and allow more airlines to fly directly from their original areas to tourist destinations.

Thank you.

Thank you. Let us have two minutes for the Senate Minority Leader.

The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Madzayo) : Asante sana Bw. Naibu Spika. Jambo la kwanza, nataka kumpatia kongole dada yangu Sen. Okenyuri kwa Taarifa hii ambayo ameleta hapa.

Utalii ni uti wa mgongo wa uchumi wa nchi hii. Asilimia 30 ya mapato ya uchumi wa nchi hii, ni pesa ambayo inaletwa na watalii. Kwanza, inaleta ajira. Vijana wengi wamepata ajira kupitia mambo ya utalii. Lakini ukiangalia hivi sasa katika sehemu nyingi huku Kenya, vijana wanakosa ajira kwa sababu utalii umekufa---

Samahani Kiongozi wa Walio Wachache. Naomba tusikize hoja ya nidhamu kutoka kwa Sen. Cherakey. Amesimama kwa hoja ya nidhamu kwa zaida ya dakika 30.

Samahani Kiongozi wa Walio Wachache. Naomba tusikize hoja ya nidhamu kutoka kwa Sen. Cherakey. Amesimama kwa hoja ya nidhamu kwa zaida ya dakika 30.

Bw. Naibu Spika, nasimama kwa Kanuni za Kudumu No.101 za Bunge la Seneti. Nimemskia Seneta mwenzangu ambaye ni Kiongozi wa Walio Wachache akisema “azimia.” Ningependa kujua inamaanisha nini ili niweze kufuatilia haya mazungumzo. Itakuwa ni bora ikiwa atafafanua.

Bw. Naibu Spika, sisi pia ni watalii na tunachangia utalii.

Endelea, Kiongozi wa Walio Wachache. Ulimaanisha nini ukisema “azimia” ama ulisema “asilimia”? The Senate Minority Leader (

Asante sana. Tunajua Lamu

Asante sana. Umesahau ule uwanja wa ndege wa Ukunda ambao pia una matatizo.

Let us now go to Statements under Standing Order No. 53 (1) . The first Statement by Sen. Munyi Mundigi is deferred to the next sitting.

Ameomba sana. Mpe dakika moja.

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Finance and Budget regarding payments made to all garbage collectors and sewerage service providers by all counties for the Financial Years 2021/2022, 2022/2023 and 2023/2024. In the Statement, the Committee should-

The next Statement is by the Senator for Nairobi City County, Sen. Sifuna.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Land, Environment and Natural Resources on reported attempts by a private developer to grab the land occupied by Kimathi Primary School in Kamukunji Constituency, which has been under the management of the defunct Nairobi City Council and, subsequently, the Nairobi City County Government for the past 48 years. In the Statement, the Committee should-

The next Statement is by Sen. Mwaruma.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Land, Environment and Natural Resources on reported attempts by a private developer to grab the land occupied by Kimathi Primary School in Kamukunji Constituency, which has been under the management of the defunct Nairobi City Council and, subsequently, the Nairobi City County Government for the past 48 years. In the Statement, the Committee should-

The second Statement is on the rationale for instituting mandatory National Social Security Fund (NSSF) deductions on members of various superannuation schemes.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Labour and Social Welfare concerning the rationale for instituting mandatory NSSF deductions on employees who are already members of various superannuation schemes. In the Statement, the Committee should-

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I have two Statements. The first one is on transfer of land ownership under Voi Point Limited to the local community in Mkamenyi Village.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to request for a Statement from the Standing Committee on Land, Environment and Natural Resources regarding transfer of land under Voi Point Limited to the local community in Mkamenyi Village in Taita-Taveta County. In the Statement, the Committee should-

The second Statement is on the rationale for instituting mandatory National Social Security Fund (NSSF) deductions on members of various superannuation schemes.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Labour and Social Welfare concerning the rationale for instituting mandatory NSSF deductions on employees who are already members of various superannuation schemes. In the Statement, the Committee should-

The next Statement is by the Senator for Nandi, Sen. Cherarkey.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a statement from the Standing Committee on Finance and Budget regarding high interest charged on loans offered by Momentum Credit Company Limited.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, could I be protected from Sen. Wambua? In the Statement, the Committee should-

The next Statement is by Sen. Chimera.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Labour and Social Welfare regarding payment of Imams in Kenya. In the Statement, the Committee should-

Before we clear with Statements under Standing Order No.53 (1) , I will allow at least two Senators to make comments on those Statements.

Sen. Osotsi, proceed.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I wish to comment on the timely Statement by Sen. Mwaruma on the issue of double contributions to various retirement benefit schemes. This is a serious issue because employees contribute to the NSSF and at the same time they are contributing to other schemes like the Public Service Pension Scheme, the LAPFUND and the LAPTRUST

This is a matter of concern because in my County Public Investments and Special Funds Committee, one of the most common audit query is the issue of non-remittance of statutory deductions, particularly the NSSF and pension. This is one of the contributing factors. Having to pay or be deducted to two different schemes is one of the challenges.

Therefore, I expect the Committee that will handle this matter, which in this case is the Standing Committee on Labour and Social Welfare, to do a thorough job in ensuring that challenge is handled.

I also want to report that when I made my Statement as the Chairperson of the County Public Investments and Special Funds Committee, I mentioned that counties owe pensioners in excess of Kshs80 billion as a result of non-remittance of pension to LAP Fund and Laptrust.

These are serious issues that our Committee has been dealing with. I am happy to announce to the House that on Friday we managed to partner with the National Treasury. We will be having a very serious engagement with all the stakeholders in the Pensions Sector. That includes the Council of Governors (CoG), the Retirement Benefits Authority (RBA), Inter-Governmental Relations Technical Committee (IGRTC) and counties, to try and resolve this problem.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I believe we are nearing a resolution to this problem and will soon table a report to this House on this matter. I believe if Senate will be able to resolve this matter of outstanding pension liabilities in the counties, this will be one of our major contributions, as a Senate, in this country.

I support.

You know, there are many requests. I do not know whether they are under Standing Order No. 53 (1) . Sen. Onyonka? You see now?

Proceed, Sen. (Dr) Oburu.

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for the opportunity. I want to comment on the Statement sought by my friend and neighbour, Sen. Cherarkey, on the Microfinance institutions. Microfinance institutions used not to take deposits. When eventually Parliament saw it fit to introduce a Bill to allow microfinance companies to take deposits, it was it was agreed that regional microfinance institutions will put a deposit of Kshs20 million as their capital and the national microfinance companies will deposit a capital of Kshs100 million.

This issue of interest rates is a very serious one. It is not only concerning the microfinance institutions, but also concerning the banks. You will recall that there was a time or even before the last two years, there was a limit which was put on the interest rates. There was a regulation that was put of a certain percentage above the Central Bank of Kenya rates to regulate the interest rates. However, banks complained and said that they wanted to lend more money to people. They wanted to be allowed to do self- regulation and that they would not go far off the Central Bank rates.

When the microfinance companies were allowed to take deposits, they also became under the Central Bank regulations. They were being regulated by the Central Bank. When the control of the limit for interest rates was removed, these banks and microfinance companies went haywire. They are now charging far above the Central Bank rates as recommended, yet they agreed to self-regulation.

Perhaps it will be better for Parliament to reintroduce controls on these interest rates. When they are there, the banks complain that it is not giving them leeway to charge reasonably depending on the risks they take in lending. However, when you give them the leeway to now use reasonable rates, what reason do the banks have to impose interests of, say, 24 percent when the CBK rate is at 11 percent?

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, that is more than 50 per cent or 100 per cent of profit. Who makes that kind of profit in Kenya? No wonder, it is only these financial institutions who make money when Kenyans are going bankrupt. They are the only ones who declare windfall profits when the whole economy is nosediving. It is high time that Parliament

thought of ways and means of controlling these institutions, so that Kenyans can benefit. So many Kenyans are going bankrupt because of this overcharging of interest.

It is a very good Statement and I support it. Let the Committee do a good job.

Thank you for also summarizing in a very nice way all the Statements under Standing Order No. 53 (1) . Now let us go to Statements Standing Order No. 56 (1) .

Chairperson of Delegated Legislation, you have a Committee report.

The Senate Minority Whip and the Senate Minority Leader, give Sen. Kavindu Muthama the opportunity she is seeking. She is almost done.

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for this opportunity. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.56 (1) (a) to make a Statement on the activities of the Ad hoc Committee on the Compensation of the Kenyan Victims of the 1998 Bombing of the United States of America (USA) Embassy in Nairobi, for the period commencing 29th June, 2023 to Monday, 7th August, 2023.

Within this brief reporting period, the Committee has carried out various activities pertaining to its mandate. As a snapshot, the Committee has held a total of six meetings in which it transacted the following business-

The Senate Minority Whip and the Senate Minority Leader, give Sen. Kavindu Muthama the opportunity she is seeking. She is almost done.

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. The Committee in the near future plans to-

The current membership includes-

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No. 52 (1) to seek a Statement on the Public Service Superannuation Scheme Act 2012---

I wish the Chairperson of the Committee on Labour and Social Services can listen to this.

I rise pursuant to Standing Order No. 52 (1) to make a Statement on a matter of general topical concern, namely, the Public Service Superannuation Scheme Act, 2012 (PSSS Act) ; The Public Service Superannuation Guideline Handbook published by the National Treasury and Economic Planning in compliance to the PSSS Act and the Human Resource Policies and Procedure Manual for Public Service of May 2016.

The Public Service Superannuation Scheme Act No.8 of 2012, which has been in operation since 1st January, 2021, is geared towards provision of retirement benefits to persons employed in the Public Service, who are defined in the Public Service Superannuation Handbook published by the National Treasury and Economic Planning in Section 2.2.1, as contributors to the current Public Service Pension Scheme, in compliance with the PSS Act.

The current membership includes-

It is important to note that young adolescent girls lose significant learning time during menstruation. Moreover, this state of affairs is worsened by the lack of information on menstrual matters, as well as deep cultures of taboos, myths, and misconceptions surrounding menstruation and menstrual blood.

We believe that young girls should not be left alone to make such tough choices. They should be supported, empowered and allowed to have menstrual periods in a safe, confident and dignified manner. In a bid to restore dignity to these girls, retain them in school and enable them to face that period with confidence, several initiatives can help in mitigating the challenges.

One such initiative is the Jimbo Pad Project, which aims to break the silence on menstrual matters and debunk the myths and misconceptions on the subject. Sensitize boys and girls on menstruation, manufacture and donate sanitary towels to needy girls of menstrual age by pushing for the establishment of one sanitary towel factory per county. Further research in Kenyan schools indicates a very high dependency on non- governmental organizations (NGOs) to support sanitation and hygiene among school- going children.

Given the requisite support, the Jimbo Pad Project will offer the solution by promoting safe and proper menstrual hygiene management. This will be easily attained if every county could invest in constructing a sanitary pad factory, as this will enable the provision of sanitary pads to menstruating girls and even reach out to those young girls who have dropped out of school and give them a second chance to brighten their future.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I wish to conclude by encouraging all Senators to come out in support of the Jimbo Pad Project. This initiative will present an immediate solution to several challenges facing menstruating girls in needy settings. The project promises to be a sustainable solution if it receives the goodwill of both levels of Government, as it will stem the use of unhygienic materials as well as the rise in the rate of school dropouts.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Sir. I rise under Standing Order No.52 (1) to make a Statement on a matter of general topical concern, namely, the indignity and challenges suffered by women and young girls during menstruation.

Kenya is composed of different ethnicities with some having deeply rooted cultures. In some of these ethnicities, menstruation is too shameful and embarrassing a topic to be discussed openly. As a result, menstruating girls lack enough information about their bodies and adolescent boys tease and stigmatise menstruating girls for failure to understand that menstruation is a normal biological process.

There is a huge proportion of adolescents and women who are unable to access information, safe materials and other facilities for proper menstrual hygiene management. Formative research indicates that 65 per cent of women and girls in Kenya are still unable to afford or access sanitary pads.

In addition, there have been appalling reports of girls exchanging sex for money to buy sanitary pads, and that two out of the three pad users in rural Kenya borrow money from sexual partners. This not only compounds the problem, but also increases the risk of early age pregnancy and getting infected with Sexually Transmitted Diseases (STDs) and Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV) .

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, no woman or girl deserves the indignity of reverting to using dry cow dung, leaves, newspaper, used socks, old mattresses cuttings, or rags to catch her menstrual flow. These crude materials are not only ineffective, but also unhygienic and uncomfortable.

In most parts of Kenya, school-going girls of menstrual age are either forced to this humiliation or be absent from school. For the brave girls who want to remain in school and build a bright future, a large number of them confess to facing the stigma that comes from unhygienic menstrual hygiene.

It is important to note that young adolescent girls lose significant learning time during menstruation. Moreover, this state of affairs is worsened by the lack of information on menstrual matters, as well as deep cultures of taboos, myths, and misconceptions surrounding menstruation and menstrual blood.

We believe that young girls should not be left alone to make such tough choices. They should be supported, empowered and allowed to have menstrual periods in a safe, confident and dignified manner. In a bid to restore dignity to these girls, retain them in school and enable them to face that period with confidence, several initiatives can help in mitigating the challenges.

One such initiative is the Jimbo Pad Project, which aims to break the silence on menstrual matters and debunk the myths and misconceptions on the subject. Sensitize boys and girls on menstruation, manufacture and donate sanitary towels to needy girls of menstrual age by pushing for the establishment of one sanitary towel factory per county. Further research in Kenyan schools indicates a very high dependency on non- governmental organizations (NGOs) to support sanitation and hygiene among school- going children.

Given the requisite support, the Jimbo Pad Project will offer the solution by promoting safe and proper menstrual hygiene management. This will be easily attained if every county could invest in constructing a sanitary pad factory, as this will enable the provision of sanitary pads to menstruating girls and even reach out to those young girls who have dropped out of school and give them a second chance to brighten their future.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I wish to conclude by encouraging all Senators to come out in support of the Jimbo Pad Project. This initiative will present an immediate solution to several challenges facing menstruating girls in needy settings. The project promises to be a sustainable solution if it receives the goodwill of both levels of Government, as it will stem the use of unhygienic materials as well as the rise in the rate of school dropouts.

Thank you.

Thank you, Sen. Miraj. Hon. Senators, I promised to allow two or three Senators to comment on the Statement by Sen. Kavindu Muthama. I will start with Sen. Oketch Gicheru, whose name is on my dashboard. Sen. Oketch Gicheru, what is your interest? Is it to comment?

Okay.

Clerk, limit each Member to two minutes. We have overshot our Statement time by an hour. We are doing poorly, but I appreciate the fact that we had many Statements. Two minutes are enough to make brief comments.

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I appreciate this Committee for their work. Sen. Kavindu Muthama has engaged the families of the victims. This has also rekindled the conversation around this matter in our country to the extent that it has made visible the frontline workers. These are people who respond during this kind of crisis.

Thank you. Minority Leader, proceed. The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Madzayo) :

Asante, Bw. Naibu Spika.

Senate Majority Whip, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, proceed.

Jambo la kusisitiza zaidi ni kwamba hawa Wakenya wetu ni binadamu pia. Hebu fikiria mtoto kuathirika akiwa tumboni mwa mama yake na anasema hadi wa leo anahisi kisunzi na macho yake hayaoni vizuri. Ni kwa sababu ya athari iliyotokea wakati ule.

Thank you. Minority Leader, proceed. The Senate Minority Leader (

On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Madzayo) : Asante, Bw. Naibu Spika. Sijui kama hiyo Hoja ya nidhamu---

Bw. Naibu Spika, nilidhani

Wanakuchanganya, malizia hoja yako.

Proceed, Sen. (Prof.) Kamar.

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I join my colleagues in congratulating the Committee chaired by my sister, Sen. Kavindu Muthama, on the progress they have made so far.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I would like to agree with Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale that the USA has been a friend to this country and it looks like some things have not been understood on this occasion because under normal circumstances, we should be discussing and concluding.

I am very happy to hear that the Committee is going to make a few visits, one of which, is to meet the ambassador. It is very important that they meet the ambassador and the Senators on the other side for a few reasons. One, is that there is need to audit these people who we are being told were paid.

On issue of the 25th anniversary, I congratulate the Committee for visiting and meeting their families for the first time actually because they had almost been forgotten. It was very clear that there are people who are still hurting. There are people who were

Asante, Bw. Naibu Spika. Sijui kama hiyo Hoja ya nidhamu---

hurt at that time and have not been able to come to terms with what happened. They also said that nobody has talked to them about the issue of compensation.

I would like to encourage the Committee that as they move forward to meet the US ambassador, they should have their documents right. Who exactly was paid because it is known? If they do not have the documentation, let the documentation come before they even go to the USA so that it is very clear who was paid and who was not paid.

Audit is very important. Even if the people who were paid were those who were in the Embassy, we know the law of compensation in this land, leave alone the one in the USA. According to the law of Kenya, if you were involved in an accident that was caused by a vehicle, for example, a matatu, even if you were not inside that matatu, you will be compensated by the insurance company.

So if we are going to compensate people who have been affected by an accident, we are expecting that the USA will look at these victims mercifully knowing that they are victims of some accident of some sort.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, we know that there is a fund which we were informed was started in the USA in 2014; that is, the Anti-Terrorism Fund in the USA. These are the people who should be taken care of. We really want to close this chapter.

Our appeal to the US Embassy and to our colleagues, the Senators in the USA, is that we close this chapter. We believe that our colleagues, the Senators, have not heard the real story and we believe that if we take the real story to them, things will be done.

I thank you.

Thank you, Senator. Proceed, Sen. Cherarkey.

Wanakuchanganya, malizia hoja yako.

Proceed, Sen. (Prof.) Kamar.

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I join my colleagues in congratulating the Committee chaired by my sister, Sen. Kavindu Muthama, on the progress they have made so far.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I would like to agree with Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale that the USA has been a friend to this country and it looks like some things have not been understood on this occasion because under normal circumstances, we should be discussing and concluding.

I am very happy to hear that the Committee is going to make a few visits, one of which, is to meet the ambassador. It is very important that they meet the ambassador and the Senators on the other side for a few reasons. One, is that there is need to audit these people who we are being told were paid.

On issue of the 25th anniversary, I congratulate the Committee for visiting and meeting their families for the first time actually because they had almost been forgotten. It was very clear that there are people who are still hurting. There are people who were

hurt at that time and have not been able to come to terms with what happened. They also said that nobody has talked to them about the issue of compensation.

I would like to encourage the Committee that as they move forward to meet the US ambassador, they should have their documents right. Who exactly was paid because it is known? If they do not have the documentation, let the documentation come before they even go to the USA so that it is very clear who was paid and who was not paid.

Audit is very important. Even if the people who were paid were those who were in the Embassy, we know the law of compensation in this land, leave alone the one in the USA. According to the law of Kenya, if you were involved in an accident that was caused by a vehicle, for example, a matatu, even if you were not inside that matatu, you will be compensated by the insurance company.

So if we are going to compensate people who have been affected by an accident, we are expecting that the USA will look at these victims mercifully knowing that they are victims of some accident of some sort.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, we know that there is a fund which we were informed was started in the USA in 2014; that is, the Anti-Terrorism Fund in the USA. These are the people who should be taken care of. We really want to close this chapter.

Our appeal to the US Embassy and to our colleagues, the Senators in the USA, is that we close this chapter. We believe that our colleagues, the Senators, have not heard the real story and we believe that if we take the real story to them, things will be done.

I thank you.

Thank you, Senator. Proceed, Sen. Cherarkey.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, two quick things. One, I want to thank---

There is no Mr. Speaker.

Sorry, Madam Temporary Speaker. I note the change on the seat, my apologies.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I rise to continue to empathize with the victims of the heinous act of terrorism in 1998 where many Kenyans and other nationalities were killed.

One of the victims that died is my resident of Nandi County, Namosine Village by the name Wilson Mutai. I want to thank K24 journalist, Isaiah Cheruiyot for carrying a very incisive story about the loss and yet they have not been compensated.

I have sent the video to the Chairperson of the Ad hoc Committee, Sen. Kavindu Muthama, to do a follow up. It is sad when they were celebrating 25 years, that they were never given any psychosocial support or compensation.

Finally, I appeal to the American Government because it is a friendly nation to compensate them. The American Government was compensated a whopping US$335 million by Sudan Government to be removed from the list of terrorist countries.

The USA itself has received compensation over victims of terrorist attacks. Even in the 1988 Lockerbie attack, the Panama Airline that was shot allegedly by terrorists, the Libyan Government paid US$1.5 billion in terms of compensation to the Americans and other nationalities that died during the Lockerbie Air Crash by Panama Flight.

So, this issue of compensation is not new. The American Government has been compensated by other nationalities. They should also reciprocate. Therefore, I hope by the time the Ad hoc Committee concludes each and every Kenyan including other nationalities must be compensated.

Just the way when you are travelling in a car and get an accident, the insurance company normally compensates you. I wish the American Government and the US Congress will be able to sit and quickly resolve this matter because the US Government is a friendly nation. We know of the input and investment that the US Government has put in the Kenya Government. We appeal that they should also do the same.

With those many remarks, I support the Committee and wish them well. I thank you.

Sorry, Madam Temporary Speaker, my apologies. I beg to lay the following Paper on the table of the Senate today, Wednesday, 9th August, 2023-

Report of the Committee of Powers and Privileges on the inquiry on their own Motion into the conduct of Sen. Gloria Orwoba, MP and to establish if the conduct constituted breach of Parliament Privilege.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Education regarding the wellbeing of teachers’ post-retirement. In the Statement, the Committee should-

I will call upon Sen. Shakila Abdalla to lay a report from the Committee on Powers and Privileges and give Notice of Motion.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I beg to lay the following---

It is not fair for the United States of America (USA) to compensate some victims of the bomb blast and leave out others. Those who were affected did not want to suffer. People died and others were injured. Some suffered because America was the primary target. Therefore, it is inhumane and unfair for America to choose to compensate their citizens and leave out Kenyans still clamouring for compensation 25 years later.

As it has been said by Sen. Cherarkey, America has been compensated by Sudan and Libya after it was established that the suspected masterminds of the bombings came from those countries. It is not fair for America to close its eyes to Kenya yet they have been compensated in similar circumstances.

Let me comment on the report by my Chair, Sen. Gataya Mo Fire. We have also done a lot in the Committee on Delegated Legislation. Sadly, is the fact that when the National Assembly passed the Finance Act of 2023, they also amended the Statutory Instruments Act to deny the Senate an opportunity to look at the statutory instruments that will expire after the lapse of 10 years. That is not fair.

Parliament is composed of two Houses; the National Assembly and the Senate and those instruments affect some of the devolved functions. Therefore, that legislation ought to have been brought to this House, so that Members can have an opportunity to debate and assist our counties in resolving their issues.

Madam Temporary Speaker, we have done a lot in that Committee. We look forward to working together, so that we look at pending and upcoming statutory instruments that will affect the functions of our counties.

I thank you.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I wish to make comments on the Statement by Sen. Kavindu Muthama, particularly with regards to the plea by Kenyans on compensation for the bombing that we all witnessed. A number of us were still young those days.

We have watched and listened to experiences that Kenyans went through. The survivors have on many occasions laid out bear experiences which are sad. We cannot fathom the fact that the US Government has taken for granted the compensation that the people of Kenya expect to get from them.

As someone said earlier on, the USA is friendly to the Government of Kenya. We believe that with the setting up of this particular Committee, its roles and engagements they are expected to undertake, they will come up with a report that will ensure that Kenyans are compensated the same way other countries have done in such similar incidences.

With regards to the Statement by the Chairperson of the Committee on Delegated Legislation, Sen. Gataya Mo Fire, indeed, Parliament is defined by the Constitution as comprising both the Senate and National Assembly. Any legislation that affects devolved functions where the Senate is involved must come to this particular House for approval and support.

Before we move to the next Order, I will give an opportunity to a few Senators to make comments on the report. I will allow two from each side.

Proceed, Sen. Khatib.

Hapa Seneti najulikana kama Sen. Mwinyihaji Faki Mohammed. Khatib ni jina la uwakili.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I thank you for giving me this opportunity to comment on the two Statements. The first one is the Statement by Sen. Kavindu Muthama on the Ad Hoc Committee on compensation of the bomb blast victims.

I commend Sen. Kavindu Muthama and her Committee for the splendid work they have done in the one month they have been in existence. The work they have done is commendable. I hope that by the end of their term, the victims of the bomb blast will have been compensated.

Proceed, Sen. Cheptumo.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I thank my Chair, Sen. Kavindu Muthama, for the Statement that she has read in the House. It is unfortunate that 25 years down the line, Kenyan victims of that unfortunate situation have not been compensated.

I am a Member of the Committee. We have had several engagements with various stakeholders. The suffering I witnessed on Monday, when we had a prayer session with the victims is heart-breaking. Let me confirm to this House that as it has been said by the Chair, as a Committee, we will engage various stakeholders. We have the consortium of victims, the Ministry of Foreign and Diaspora Affairs, the United States Congress and lawyers of the victims.

I believe that the Government of Kenya, led by His Excellency the President, will listen. This is an issue which our nation should support the victims. On that Monday, I got shocked that we have a new crop of victims of this incident, the so called silent victims. These are children who were born after the bomb blast. We can talk of very young people of 25 years.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I wish to make comments on the Statement by Sen. Kavindu Muthama, particularly with regards to the plea by Kenyans on compensation for the bombing that we all witnessed. A number of us were still young those days.

We have watched and listened to experiences that Kenyans went through. The survivors have on many occasions laid out bear experiences which are sad. We cannot fathom the fact that the US Government has taken for granted the compensation that the people of Kenya expect to get from them.

As someone said earlier on, the USA is friendly to the Government of Kenya. We believe that with the setting up of this particular Committee, its roles and engagements they are expected to undertake, they will come up with a report that will ensure that Kenyans are compensated the same way other countries have done in such similar incidences.

With regards to the Statement by the Chairperson of the Committee on Delegated Legislation, Sen. Gataya Mo Fire, indeed, Parliament is defined by the Constitution as comprising both the Senate and National Assembly. Any legislation that affects devolved functions where the Senate is involved must come to this particular House for approval and support.

Thank you, Senator. What is your point of order, Sen. Githuku?

Madam Temporary Speaker, is it in order for Sen. Cherarkey to cross from the other side to this side of the Floor without following the rules bearing in mind that he is a very senior Member of this House?

Sen. Cherarkey, you are ruled out of order. Can you abide with the Standing Orders by doing what you are supposed to do? Bow before the Chair.

We will have the final comment on the statement on bomb blast from Sen. Ogola. Her name had fallen off the list of those who were contributing.

Proceed, Sen. Cheptumo.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I thank my Chair, Sen. Kavindu Muthama, for the Statement that she has read in the House. It is unfortunate that 25 years down the line, Kenyan victims of that unfortunate situation have not been compensated.

I am a Member of the Committee. We have had several engagements with various stakeholders. The suffering I witnessed on Monday, when we had a prayer session with the victims is heart-breaking. Let me confirm to this House that as it has been said by the Chair, as a Committee, we will engage various stakeholders. We have the consortium of victims, the Ministry of Foreign and Diaspora Affairs, the United States Congress and lawyers of the victims.

I believe that the Government of Kenya, led by His Excellency the President, will listen. This is an issue which our nation should support the victims. On that Monday, I got shocked that we have a new crop of victims of this incident, the so called silent victims. These are children who were born after the bomb blast. We can talk of very young people of 25 years.

Some are in school while others are still unemployed even after going through education. This situation is so serious that it is important that as a country, a Committee and a House, we rise to the occasion and push for the compensation.

The cordial relationship between the Kenyan Government and that of the United States of America (USA) should be an avenue through which we can receive the goodwill necessary for the support. It is unfortunate that yesterday, I read in the news that the USA Government is saying that they have already done the compensation. You therefore wonder, who are these people who are being compensated yet all the 230 victims have not been compensated?

I support the Statement by my Chairperson and hope that we are going to succeed as a Committee.

Madam Temporary Speaker, finally, on the issue of Committee on Delegated Legislation, I was the Chairperson of that Committee in the National Assembly. The Challenge we have is that the Statutory Instruments Act should be amended so that, it makes it mandatory that all instruments come to Parliament and not National Assembly. This is so that the statutory making body is able to forward those regulations to the National Assembly and at the same time to this House. This is so that then there is approval by the two Houses. It is important.

The delegation of making laws by the National Assembly, the Senate and Parliament to either a Ministry or a Corporation, is a delegated power. Otherwise, the institution that has the power to make laws is both the National Assembly and this House.

I agree with the Chairperson of Committee on Delegated Legislation that, there is need to relook at all this so that then, this House will have a role to play in approving regulations, which have the full force of the law.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I support.

Thank you, Senator. What is your point of order, Sen. Githuku?

Madam Temporary Speaker, is it in order for Sen. Cherarkey to cross from the other side to this side of the Floor without following the rules bearing in mind that he is a very senior Member of this House?

Next order.

Second Reading

We will resume the debate on The Equalization Fund Administration Bill (Senate Bills No.14 of 2023) .

Sen. Mumma had a balance of one minute. She's not here. So, we will have Sen. Wakili Sigei.

I thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker, for the opportunity to also contribute to the the Equalization Fund Administration Bill.

This is a very important Bill that seeks to establish a legal framework for conducting regular reviews and assessment of the performance of the Equalization Fund that is provided for by Article 204 of the Constitution of Kenya.

The objective is to facilitate the necessary legal framework for purposes of managing the Fund in order to ensure transparency, minimize the misuse or abuse of the Fund, and also direct the Fund towards the marginalized areas in full compliance with the provisions of the Constitution.

This is very crucial for distribution of the resources in order to address the regional discrepancies in terms of development and promoting the social economic development of the country.

As I have said, this is a crucial Bill that seeks to ensure proper administration of the Fund and in order to ensure that there is full compliance with the provisions of Article 204 of the Constitution. More importantly, the Bill will ensure that the amount of funds which are dedicated to the Equalization Fund benefit areas which have been identified by the Commission for Revenue Allocation (CRA) .

As I support this particular Bill, I have picked on certain crucial provisions. I will attempt to voice my concerns and hope that the relevant Committee will consider its amendment, in due course, in order to ensure that the Act serves the purpose as it is envisaged.

Part three of the Bill, from Clause Six on the establishment of the Advisory Board.

Under such provision, there is the Board that is established. In particular, Clause

Next order.

Second Reading

We will resume the debate on The Equalization Fund Administration Bill (Senate Bills No.14 of 2023) .

Sen. Mumma had a balance of one minute. She's not here. So, we will have Sen. Wakili Sigei.

I thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker, for the opportunity to also contribute to the the Equalization Fund Administration Bill.

This is a very important Bill that seeks to establish a legal framework for conducting regular reviews and assessment of the performance of the Equalization Fund that is provided for by Article 204 of the Constitution of Kenya.

The objective is to facilitate the necessary legal framework for purposes of managing the Fund in order to ensure transparency, minimize the misuse or abuse of the Fund, and also direct the Fund towards the marginalized areas in full compliance with the provisions of the Constitution.

This is very crucial for distribution of the resources in order to address the regional discrepancies in terms of development and promoting the social economic development of the country.

As I have said, this is a crucial Bill that seeks to ensure proper administration of the Fund and in order to ensure that there is full compliance with the provisions of Article 204 of the Constitution. More importantly, the Bill will ensure that the amount of funds which are dedicated to the Equalization Fund benefit areas which have been identified by the Commission for Revenue Allocation (CRA) .

As I support this particular Bill, I have picked on certain crucial provisions. I will attempt to voice my concerns and hope that the relevant Committee will consider its amendment, in due course, in order to ensure that the Act serves the purpose as it is envisaged.

Part three of the Bill, from Clause Six on the establishment of the Advisory Board.

Under such provision, there is the Board that is established. In particular, Clause

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker, for the opportunity to contribute. I extensively contributed to this Bill, but I just want to add one point. I can see the Chairperson of the Committee on Finance and Budget, Sen. Ali Roba, is here. We need to include a clause that can provide for oversight by the Senate on this particular fund. That section should obligate the implementing entities and the counties periodically submit reports to the Senate for us to evaluate how the fund is using. It should also provide for opportunity for the Senate to go to the counties to verify that activities being carried out under the Equalization Fund are being carried out as provided. Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. The Tempoarary Speaker (

Thank you, Senator. I will now call upon the Mover of this Bill and the Chairperson of the Committee, Sen. Ali Roba, to come and reply.

Thank you very much, Madam Temporary Speaker. I beg reply. I take this opportunity to thank all the hon. Senators who have contributed extensively to this Equalization Fund (Administration Bill) , Senate Bills No. 14 of 2023.

As I discussed during the contribution of opening of the second reading, the object of the Bill is extremely clear. Having listened to most Senators who have contributed, there a few amendments already proposed in the report that we have submitted with the Bill, which takes care of most of the comments that are shared.

There are comments relating to the representation of the office of the Senator at the county level. I feel that is valuable because most Senators have shared that. We will include that in the amendment as required.

On an issue of clarity, whereas the beneficiary counties are 34, the beneficiary areas are about 1,400. As such, the envisage position where the technical committees have become necessary for it to be formed at the sub-county level is that the originally envisage beneficiary counties which are the 14, are extensively covered in terms of the

Madam Temporary Chair, I beg to move- THAT, Clause 5 of the Bill be amended –

I have taken note of most contributions and we will endeavour to take the underlying issues that have come out. Having listened to them keenly, the Committee will need to bring them on board as required and make sure that when we will be moving amendments, those issues will be taken into consideration.Madam Temporary Speaker, I beg to reply and pursuant to Standing Order No. 66(3), request that the putting of the question be deferred to a later date.Thank you. Madam Temporary Speaker (

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move: THAT Clause 8 of the Bill be amended –

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT the Bill be amended by deleting Clause 13.

The Temporary Chairperson

(Sen. Mumma)

: Division will be at the end. Clause 14

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT the Bill be amended by deleting Clause 14.

The Temporary Chairperson

(Sen. Mumma)

: Division will be at the end. Clause 15

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT Clause 15 of the Bill be amended in subclause (2) by –

Division will be at the end. Clause 4

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT, Clause 4 be amended in paragraph (c) by deleting the words “cultural and” appearing immediately after the words “sensitive to the”. (Question of the amendment proposed) The Temporary Chairperson (

Division will be at the end. Clause 5

Madam Temporary Chair, I beg to move- THAT, Clause 5 of the Bill be amended –

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT Clause 6 of the Bill be amended –

Clause 28

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT the Bill be amended by deleting Clause 28 and substituting therefor the following new clause –

Training of auxiliary staff.

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT Clause 29 of the Bill be amended in paragraph

(a)

by deleting the word “fast” appearing immediately after the words “the redress of” and substituting therefor the word “vast”.

The Temporary Chairperson

(Sen. Mumma)

: Division will be at the end. Clause 30

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT Clause 30 of the Bill be amended in subclause

(4)

by deleting the words “The board of management of a special education” appearing at the beginning of the clause and substituting therefor the words “The governing body of a special needs educational institution.”

The Temporary Chairperson

(Sen. Mumma)

: Division will be at the end. Clauses 31 to 34

Division will be at the end. Clauses 10 and 11 (Question, that Clauses 10 and 11 be part of the Bill, proposed) The Temporary Chairperson (

Division will be at the end. Clause 35

Division will be at the end. Clause 12

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT Clause 12 of the Bill be amended in subclause (1) by deleting the words “early childhood education or technical and vocational training centre” appearing immediately after the word “An” in the introductory clause and substituting therefor the words “educational or training institution”. (Question of the amendment proposed) The Temporary Chairperson (

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT, clause 41 of the Bill be amended by –

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT the Bill be amended by deleting Clause 13. (Question of the amendment proposed) The Temporary Chairperson (

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT, Clause 45 of the Bill be amended in subclause (1) by deleting the word “education” appearing immediately after the words “conducts a special” in paragraph (a) and substituting therefor the words “needs educational”.

(Question of the amendment proposed) The Temporary Chairperson (Sen. Mumma): Division at the end. Clause 46

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT, Clause 2 of the Bill be amended-

Division will be at the end. Clause 15

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT Clause 15 of the Bill be amended in subclause (2) by –

I now call upon the Chairperson to report progress on the Learners with Disabilities Bill (Senate Bills No.4 of 2023) .

Madam Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of the Whole has considered the Learners with Disabilities Bill (Senate Bills No.4 of 2023) and seek leave to sit again tomorrow.

Division will be at the end. Clause 24

Madam Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee on the said report.

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT Clause 25 of the Bill be amended in –

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT Clause 26 of the Bill be amended in subclause (1) by deleting the words “special equipment” appearing immediately after the words “and distribution of” and substituting therefor the words “assistive devices.” (Question of the amendment proposed) The Temporary Chairperson (

Division will be at the end. Clause 27 (Question, that Clause 27 be part of the Bill, proposed) Division will be at the end.

Clause 28

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT the Bill be amended by deleting Clause 28 and substituting therefor the following new clause –

Training of auxiliary staff.

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT Clause 29 of the Bill be amended in paragraph (a) by deleting the word “fast” appearing immediately after the words “the redress of” and substituting therefor the word “vast”. (Question of the amendment proposed) The Temporary Chairperson (

Division will be at the end. Clause 30

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT Clause 30 of the Bill be amended in subclause (4) by deleting the words “The board of management of a special education” appearing at the beginning of the clause and substituting therefor the words “The governing body of a special needs educational institution.” (Question of the amendment proposed) The Temporary Chairperson (

The Motion is also deferred.

Order Nos.20 and 21 are also deferred because the Mover of the Motions is the same. That is the Chairperson of the Standing Committee on Health.

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT, Clause 35 of the Bill be amended in subclause (1) by deleting the word “education” appearing immediately after the words “of the special” in paragraph (c) and substituting therefor the words “needs educational.” (Question for the amendment proposed) The Temporary Chairperson (

Let us go to the next Order.

Division at the end. Clauses 36 to 38 (Question, that Clauses 36, 37 and 38 be part of the Bill, proposed) Division will be at the end. Clause 39

The Motion is also deferred because the Mover, Sen. Kathuri, is not in the House.

Hon. Senators, there being no other business on the Order Paper, the Senate stands adjourned until tomorrow, Thursday, 10th August, 2023, at 2.30 p.m.

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT, clause 41 of the Bill be amended by –

Madam Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT, Clause 42 of the Bill be amended –

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT, Clause 45 of the Bill be amended in subclause (1) by deleting the word “education” appearing immediately after the words “conducts a special” in paragraph (a) and substituting therefor the words “needs educational”.

(Question of the amendment proposed) The Temporary Chairperson (

Division at the end. Clause 46

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT, Clause 2 of the Bill be amended-

Madam Temporary Chairperson, pursuant to Standing Order No.148, I beg to move that the Committee of the Whole do report progress on its consideration of the Learners with Disabilities Bill (Senate Bills No.4 of 2023) and seek leave to sit again tomorrow.

in the Chair]

I now call upon the Chairperson to report progress on the Learners with Disabilities Bill (Senate Bills No.4 of 2023) .

Madam Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of the Whole has considered the Learners with Disabilities Bill (Senate Bills No.4 of 2023) and seek leave to sit again tomorrow.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee on the said report.

Who is a seconder?

(Question proposed)Madam Temporary Speaker, I second.(Question put and agreed to)The Temporary Chairperson (

Hon. Senators, Order Nos.12, 13, 14, 15, and 16 are deferred.

Next Order.

This Bill is supposed to be moved by the Chairperson of the Standing Committee on Agriculture, Livestock and Fisheries, but he is not here. The Bill is, therefore, deferred. Proceed to Order No.18. Second Reading

Equally, this Bill is deferred because the Mover, Sen. Cherarkey, is not in the House. Let us go to the next Order.

The Motion is also deferred.

Order Nos.20 and 21 are also deferred because the Mover of the Motions is the same. That is the Chairperson of the Standing Committee on Health.

Let us go to the next Order.

The Motion is also deferred because the Mover, Sen. Kathuri, is not in the House.

Hon. Senators, there being no other business on the Order Paper, the Senate stands adjourned until tomorrow, Thursday, 10th August, 2023, at 2.30 p.m.

The Senate rose at 5.42 p.m.