Anthony Kimani Ichung'wah

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Yes, Clause 35 (4) . Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 35 of the Bill be further amended by deleting the words “or a broker” appearing in sub-clause (4) and substituting therefor the words “and a claims- settling agent”. The import of...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. Let me be methodical like you have wanted us to be in prosecuting the amendments. I want to answer Hon. (Dr) Nyikal. First, these entities are being delegated work by the Claims Management Office. The Chairperson’s amendment to Clause 35...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I hear what Hon. Oundo is saying but this is also in the current NHIF Act, verbatim as it is. The Authority’s officers are instituting, not prosecuting. The work of prosecuting is done by the DPP. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’)...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu UDA) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. I rise to support this amendment. If you may remember, during the Second Reading of this Bill, we were at pains to explain to Members that not a single member of Staff of the NHIF will be laid off. Indeed,...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Paragraph 5. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) : It was withdrawn. So, we will go to Paragraph 6. Before we prosecute Hon. Chairman’s amendment, there are proposed amendments by Hon. Oluoch and Hon. Makali. If they are carried, we will go to Hon. Chairman’s...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said report. I request Hon. Beatrice Adagala to second the Motion for agreement with the report of the Committee of the whole House.

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to move that the Digital Health Bill (National Assembly Bill No.57 of 2023) be now read a Third Time. I also request Hon. Julius Taitumu to second.

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move that the Committee do report to the House its consideration of the Social Health Insurance Bill (National Assembly Bill No.58 of 2023) and its approval thereof with amendments. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) : Thank you. (Question...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to move that the House agrees with the Committee in the said report. I also request Hon. Mary, Member for Mwea, to second the Motion for agreement with the report of the Committee of the whole House.

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to move that the Social Health Insurance (National Assembly Bill No.58 of 2023) be now read a Third time. I also request Hon. (Capt.) Ruweida to second.

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Deputy Speaker, before you put the question, allow me to take this opportunity to thank these great patriots. They have sat here the whole day from 9.00 a.m. to 9.00 p.m., to change the architecture of our healthcare insurance sector and change lives for...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) On a point of order.

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) No. Hon. Chairlady. I want to agree with you. The person who has raised those issues, Hon. TJ Kajwang’, is not a Member of the Departmental Committee on Health from all our records. The Chairperson of the Committee has signed the amendments on the Order...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman, the amendment by Hon. Anthony Oluoch seeks to delete the entire Clause 51 which is dealing with e-waste disposal. I want to understand why Hon. Oluoch who hails from a constituency that has a huge problem with waste disposal, even solid waste,...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move that the Committee do report to the House its consideration of the Digital Health Bill (National Assembly Bill No.57 of 2023) and its approval thereof with amendments. (Question proposed) (Question put and agreed to) 27th September 2023 NATIONAL...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you. Most obliged. The gist of the matter is this: Are there amendments to this Bill proposed by the Committee that are on the Order Paper? The straight answer is yes. Are there amendments proposed by the Chairman that may not be in the...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Chairman. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) : Leader of the Majority Party. Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Millie is fond of mentioning my name and even assuming that I am the Chair of the Committee and...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. Indeed, this matter was raised when the substantive Chair was on the seat as we began debating on the other Bill. I have keenly listened to what Hon. T.J. Kajwang' has averred in his very lengthy submission. He started with...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I want to support what Hon. T.J. has said. The drafters of this Bill made a mistake. I think it is a typographical error. Clause 14 (1) (b) of the Bill says that the CEO should be an advocate of the High...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman, Hon. Makali Mulu is a member of the Budget and Appropriations Committee. If you read Article 95 of the Constitution, you will find that money to the Fund will be appropriated by the National Assembly for indigent and vulnerable persons. That is...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman, on a point of information.

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. Hon. Gikaria has allowed me to inform him. We are currently legislating for a social health 27th September 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 68 Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA)insurance scheme. There was need for those enhanced packages because the previous social...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I hear Hon. Junet. Indeed, that is why the Committee found, in their wisdom, that a penalty of 10 per cent would discourage people from paying the arrears. For instance, the most vulnerable people in our communities will now move from paying...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Hon. Junet may not be aware because he was out of the House for some time. Somebody in the House holds the patent for the noisy and messy, and there shall be casualties’ phrase. Just like the Hon. Junet holds the...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Masara is the immediate neighbour of the Whip of the Minority Party in Suna West and, therefore, he must be compliant to what the Whip of the Minority Party says. I thank the Whip of the Minority Party. Hon. Temporary Speaker, this is in...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Speaker, let me thank all those Members who have contributed in support of this Bill for recognising that Universal Health Coverage for Kenyans is something that is long overdue. With the passage of these Bills, plus the Health Facilities Improvement Bill and the...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Deputy Speaker, it is actually Hon. Junet who invited me by saying that I am tutoring Hon. Cynthia Muge. Whereas I have no problem tutoring Hon. Cynthia because she is a very diligent legislator, she was mentioning exactly what she has said. It is...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) On a point of order, Hon. Deputy Speaker.

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) On a point of order, Hon. Deputy Speaker.

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) I hear they are discussing Hon. Toto's transformation. (Laughter)(Laughter) 26th September 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 29 Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA)I know that there are fears whenever there are changes. Some skeptics do not believe things can change for the better. I assure Kenyans that...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I beg to move that the Social Health Insurance Bill (National Assembly Bill No.58 of 2023) be now read a Second Time. Allow me to begin by thanking the Departmental Committee on Health under the able leadership of the Chairman, Hon....

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Speaker, I do not desire to be informed in replying. He can inform me in the next Bill. As I was saying, Hon. (Dr) Nyikal, having served as the Director of Medical Services, knows the challenges in the medical sector in this country. Those...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Speaker. As I reply, let me thank all Members, including Hon. Robert Mbui, who has closed by supporting the Bill with reservations. It is also okay to be a pessimist. Hon. Mbui knows the Cabinet Secretary for Information, Communication, and the Digital...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Before I move, let me also take this opportunity to welcome all those students who have come to join us, including those from Embakasi East Constituency. Their Member of Parliament, Hon. Babu Owino, was banging the table instead of foot thumping,...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I beg to move the following Motion: THAT, pursuant to Standing Order 30 (3) (a) , this House orders that should time appointed for adjournment of the House be reached before conclusion of the business under Order No.12 in today’s Supplementary...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I beg to give notice of the following Procedural Motion.

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Hon. Junet may not be aware because he was out of the House for some time. Somebody in the House holds the patent for the noisy and messy, and there shall be casualties’ phrase. Just like the Hon. Junet holds the...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Masara is the immediate neighbour of the Whip of the Minority Party in Suna West and, therefore, he must be compliant to what the Whip of the Minority Party says. I thank the Whip of the Minority Party. Hon. Temporary Speaker, this is in...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Speaker, let me thank all those Members who have contributed in support of this Bill for recognising that Universal Health Coverage for Kenyans is something that is long overdue. With the passage of these Bills, plus the Health Facilities Improvement Bill and the...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Deputy Speaker, it is actually Hon. Junet who invited me by saying that I am tutoring Hon. Cynthia Muge. Whereas I have no problem tutoring Hon. Cynthia because she is a very diligent legislator, she was mentioning exactly what she has said. It is...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) On a point of order, Hon. Deputy Speaker.

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) On a point of order, Hon. Deputy Speaker.

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) I hear they are discussing Hon. Toto's transformation. (Laughter)(Laughter) 26th September 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 29 Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA)I know that there are fears whenever there are changes. Some skeptics do not believe things can change for the better. I assure Kenyans that...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I beg to move that the Social Health Insurance Bill (National Assembly Bill No.58 of 2023) be now read a Second Time. Allow me to begin by thanking the Departmental Committee on Health under the able leadership of the Chairman, Hon....

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Speaker, I do not desire to be informed in replying. He can inform me in the next Bill. As I was saying, Hon. (Dr) Nyikal, having served as the Director of Medical Services, knows the challenges in the medical sector in this country. Those...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Speaker. As I reply, let me thank all Members, including Hon. Robert Mbui, who has closed by supporting the Bill with reservations. It is also okay to be a pessimist. Hon. Mbui knows the Cabinet Secretary for Information, Communication, and the Digital...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Before I move, let me also take this opportunity to welcome all those students who have come to join us, including those from Embakasi East Constituency. Their Member of Parliament, Hon. Babu Owino, was banging the table instead of foot thumping,...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I beg to move the following Motion: THAT, pursuant to Standing Order 30 (3) (a) , this House orders that should time appointed for adjournment of the House be reached before conclusion of the business under Order No.12 in today’s Supplementary...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I beg to give notice of the following Procedural Motion.

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Allow me to welcome Members back to this last part of this Session. As you have rightly said in your Communication, Members have had time to not only rest, but also reflect on their work as legislators and representatives of their...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Junet, you see.

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Allow me to welcome Members back to this last part of this Session. As you have rightly said in your Communication, Members have had time to not only rest, but also reflect on their work as legislators and representatives of their...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Junet, you see.

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Allow me to welcome Members back to this last part of this Session. As you have rightly said in your Communication, Members have had time to not only rest, but also reflect on their work as legislators and representatives of their...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Junet, you see.

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I have quite a number of Statements today. (Laughter) STATEMENTS BUSINESS FOR THE WEEK OF 25TH TO 29TH SEPTEMBER 2023 (Loud consultations) 24th August 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 7

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Deputy Speaker, you know that I am an accountant and an economist. I have never pretended to be a lawyer. I do not know whether this letter was without prejudice or with caution but, at least, I can read that there is the word...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Deputy Speaker, I do not know why Hon. Chonga is getting so irritated. I said if he had a difficulty in reading this Report, somebody could help him. Now he tells me that he is doing a PhD. How do you do a PhD?...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Deputy Speaker, it is the KeRRA.

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Deputy Speaker, if Hon. Ken Chonga has difficulty in reading, he can consult Hon. Jared Okello, who was in the Departmental Committee on Education and Research. The document that I have just tabled for everybody’s benefit is 48 pages long. It covers all the...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I will move on to the next statement from the Ministry of Education on the question of university admissions. CHALLENGES IN UNIVERSITY ADMISSIONS 24th August 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 15 Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA)with the issue of double registration...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) On a point of order, Hon. Deputy Speaker.

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Deputy Speaker, this is a very sensitive matter because it involves the Head of State of a friendly country and diplomatic channels of a friendly country and a neighbour. I plead that we now limit what we say in relation to this matter because...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Please allow it so I take a glass of water.

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Deputy Speaker, it starts with a huge background. In March 2022, eight Turkana herders were arrested in Kotinda in the Karamoja area on suspicion of killing three Ugandan geologists and two Uganda People’s Defence Forces (UPDF) soldiers who were guarding the geologists in Lokisilei...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) There is another kamukunji happening right before me. There are rooms at the back where Members can consult. Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. Upon resumption, the House is expected to continue debating the Second Reading of the Statute Law (Miscellaneous Amendments) Bill of 2022. The...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I have quite a number of Statements today. (Laughter) STATEMENTS BUSINESS FOR THE WEEK OF 25TH TO 29TH SEPTEMBER 2023 (Loud consultations) 24th August 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 7

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to lay the following papers on the Table: 24th August 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 1