George Mungai Mbugua

Sen. Mbugua Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Hon. Cabinet Secretary, my question is on the NYOTA programme. There was a Government policy that in all the funds, five per cent was to be allocated to Persons with Disabilities (PWDs) . There is a complaint all over the country that the...

Sen. Mbugua Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Hon. CS, on page two of your response, you talked about the Last Mile Connectivity Project, Phase Two. Could you tell this House how much that financing is and also name the 32 counties which are supposed to benefit? Thank you.

Sen. Mbugua Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Bwana Cabinet Secretary, in 2021, the Ministry then approved the sale of assets of the Pyrethrum Board of Kenya to settle debts owed to pyrethrum farmers. Could you tell this House the specific assets which were sold, how much was raised and how...

Sen. Mbugua Thank you Mr. Speaker. Cabinet Secretary, one of the biggest resources NYS has is the vast land, which is spread across the country. In the spirit of the whole-Government-approach, we also have the Government land leasing programme. Now, how will this commercialisation of land go, bearing in mind...

Sen. Mbugua Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. There were reports from some Government quarters that your Ministry intended to abolish children homes for the homecare-based model. I would like you to tell this House what the current status is and how many cases of child abuse have been reported in...

Sen. Mbugua Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I would like the Cabinet Secretary to tell this House the level of involvement of the workers' union in this engagement and also the involvement of the respective county governments to pay the gratuities and benefits, and to ensure that those payments are...

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Sen. Mbugua Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT Clause 93 of the Bill be amended by inserting the words “or county commissioner for cooperatives, as the case may be” immediately after the words “The Commissioner” (Question of the amendment proposed) The Temporary Chairperson (Sen. Veronica Maina) : Division...

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Hon. Senators, Order No.16 and 17 had earlier been called and after consultations, it has been agreed that they be deferred to the next sitting. COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE THE LABOUR MIGRATION AND MANAGEMENT (NO. 2) BILL (SENATE BILLS NO. 42 OF 2024) COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE THE TOBACCO CONTROL...

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Division at the end. Clause 34 Sen. Mbugua Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- October 2, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 35 Sen. Mbugua Honourable Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT clause 51 of the Bill be amended by inserting the words “or county commissioner for cooperatives, as the case may...

Sen. Mbugua Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- Sen. Mbugua Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT Clause 98 of the Bill be amended— Sen. Mbugua Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT Clause 99 of the Bill be amended- Sen. Mbugua Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg...

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Division at the end. Let us move to the next clause. Clause 126 Sen. Mbugua Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT, Clause 127 of the Bill be amended by inserting the following new paragraphs immediately after paragraph (c) — Sen. Mbugua Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move-...

Division at the end. Clause 147 (Question, that Clause 147 be part of the bill, proposed) Division will be at the end. Clause 148 The Temporary Chairperson (

Let us have the Chairperson. October 2, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 83 PROGRESS REPORTED THE COOPERATIVES BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO.7 OF 2024)

Sen. Mbugua

I propose the question that Clause 131 be part of the Bill and invite Sen. Mbugua to move these amendments. Sen. Mbugua(Bill deferred)I see Sen. Fatuma Dullo is not present. So, the Order is deferred. October 2, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 72 Sen. Mbugua (Question of the amendment proposed) The Temporary...

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Next Order THE WILDLIFE CONSERVATION AND MANAGEMENT (AMENDMENT) BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.49 OF 2023)

(Motion deferred)I see that Sen. Cherarkey is not present. So, this Order is deferred. NOTING OF THE REPORT OF THE ACTIVITIES AND OPERATIONS OF SELECT COMMITTEES DURING THE THIRD SESSION (2024)

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Sen. Mbugua Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT Clause 38 of the Bill be amended by inserting the words “or nominee” immediately after the words “personal representatives” (Question of the amendment proposed) The Temporary Chairperson (Sen. Veronica Maina) : Division at the end. Clause 39 Sen. Mbugua Madam...

(Motion deferred)I do not see Sen. Thang’wa. He is not present, so, the Order is deferred. ADJOURNMENT

Division will be at the end. We will now have progress of the Committee of the Whole reported in respect to the Cooperatives Bill (National Assembly Bills No.7 of 2024) . I want to call upon the Mover who will be represented by Sen. Essy Okenyuri.

Division will be at the end. Clause 162 Sen. Mbugua Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- October 2, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 78 Sen. Mbugua THAT Clause 162 of the Bill be amended in subclause (4) by deleting the word “director” appearing immediately after the words “or the county” and...

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Division will be at the end. Clause 157 Sen. Mbugua Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT Clause 157 of the Bill be amended— Sen. Mbugua Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT the Bill be amended by deleting Clause 158. (Question of the amendment proposed) The Temporary...

Sen. Mbugua Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT, Clause 116 of the Bill be amended—

Division will be at the end. Clause 163 Sen. Mbugua Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT Clause 163 of the Bill be amended by deleting the word “a” appearing immediately after the words “whichever is earlier” in paragraph (b) and substituting therefor the word “and”; (Question of the...

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Who is seconding? Sen. Mbugua I second. (Question proposed) (Question put and agreed to)

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Sen. Mbugua Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT Clause 164 be amended – Sen. Mbugua Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT Clause 165 be amended by deleting the words “primary and secondary” immediately after the words “in respect of” and substituting therefor the words “intercounty primary...

Sen. Mbugua Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT Clause 66 of the Bill be amended – October 2, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 38 Sen. Mbugua Division at the end. Clause 47 Sen. Mbugua Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT Clause 47 of the Bill be amended— Sen....

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Madam Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of the Whole has considered the Cooperatives Bill (National Assembly Bills No.7 of 2024) and seeks leave to sit again tomorrow.

Division will be at the end. Clause 1 (Question, that Clause 1 be part of the Bill proposed) The Temporary Chairperson (

Division will be at the end. Clause 164 Sen. Mbugua Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT Clause 164 be amended – Sen. Mbugua Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT Clause 165 be amended by deleting the words “primary and secondary” immediately after the words “in respect...

Division will be at the end. First Schedule Sen. Mbugua Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT the First Schedule of the Bill be amended— Sen. Mbugua Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT the Third Schedule of the Bill be amended— Sen. Mbugua Madam Temporary Chairperson, I...

Sen. Mbugua Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT clause 53 of the Bill be amended – Sen. Mbugua Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT clause 54 of the Bill be amended— Sen. Mbugua Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT clause 55 (1) of the...

October 2, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 90

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Sen. Mbugua Hon. Senators, Order No.16 and 17 had earlier been called and after consultations, it has been agreed that they be deferred to the next sitting. Sen. Mbugua Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT, Clause 123 (2) of the Bill be amended by – Sen. Mbugua Madam...

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Sen. Mbugua Hon. Senators, there being no other business on the Order Paper, the Senate stands adjourned until Tuesday, 7th October, 2025, at 2:30 p.m. The Senate rose at 5:02 p.m

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National Police Service officers in order to enable the Service discharge its mandate efficiently and effectively;COGNIZANT THAT the Bill of Rights provides for protection of human rights, prevention of abuse and upholding of the rule of law within detention facilities and police stations;CONCERNED THAT there has been increasing reports of...

Division will be at the end. Clauses 160 and 161 (Question, that Clauses 160 and 161 be part of the Bill proposed) The Temporary Chairperson (

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Division at the end. Clause 131 The Temporary Chairperson (

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Sen. Mbugua Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT Clause 8 of the Bill be amended by–

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Division at the end. Clauses 25-27 (Question, that Clauses 25, 26 and 27 be part of the Bill, proposed) Division at the end. Clause 28 Sen. Mbugua Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT Clause 28 of the Bill be amended by inserting the words “or the county commissioner...

Division at the end. October 2, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 32 Sen. Mbugua Clause 24 Sen. Mbugua Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT Clause 24 (2) of the Bill be amended by deleting the words “Cooperatives shall” appearing at the beginning of the subclause and substituting therefor the words...

(Motion deferred)I note that Sen. Nyamu is not present and so, the Order is deferred. MAINSTREAMING GENDER PERSPECTIVES IN LEGISLATIVE AND POLICY PROCESSES October 2, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 88

Sen. Mbugua Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- Sen. Mbugua Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT the Bill be amended by deleting clause 84 and substituting therefor the following new clause— Sen. Mbugua Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move:- THAT clause 85 of the Bill be...

Sen. Mbugua Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT Clause 13 of the Bill be amended by– Sen. Mbugua Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move that- THAT Clause 14 of the Bill be amended in subclause 2– October 2, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 26 Sen. Mbugua THAT Clause 10...

Sen. Veronica Maina, please, approach the Chair. (Sen. Veronica Maina consulted the Temporary Speaker (Sen. Mumma)

(Bill deferred)I see Sen. Fatuma Dullo is not present. So, the Order is deferred. WELFARE OF INTERNS WORKING UNDER THE PUBLIC SERVICE COMMISSION October 2, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 86

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(Bill deferred)I see Sen. Mwaruma is not present, so, the Order is deferred.

(Motion deferred)Is the Chairperson of the Senate Liaison Committee, present. I do not see the Senator; so, the Order is deferred. INSTALLATION OF CCTV CAMERAS IN ALL POLICE STATIONS, CELLS AND POLICE REPORTING DESKS October 2, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 87

Sen. Mbugua Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- Sen. Mbugua Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT Clause 109 be amended in subclause (1) by deleting the word “may” appearing immediately after the words “the Commissioner” and substituting therefor the words “shall petition the High Court to”. (Question...

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Sen. Mbugua(Motion deferred)Is the Chairperson of the Senate Liaison Committee, present. I do not see the Senator; so, the Order is deferred.

Madam Temporary Chairperson, pursuant to Standing Order No.153, I beg to move that the Committee of the Whole do report to the Senate its consideration of the Cooperatives Bill (National Assembly Bills No.7 of 2024) and seeks leave to sit again tomorrow. (Question proposed) (Question put and agreed to) (The...

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(Bill deferred)Sen. Lenku Seki is not present, so, the Order is deferred. THE NARCOTIC DRUGS AND PSYCHOTROPIC SUBSTANCES (CONTROL) (AMENDMENT) BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.1 OF 2024)

Madam Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee on the said report.

(Motion deferred)On consultation with the mover of this Motion, it has been requested that it be deferred. PROMOTION OF ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE AND INNOVATION POLICY IN KENYA October 2, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 89

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(Bill deferred)I see Sen. Karungo Thang’wa is not present. So, the Order is deferred. THE STREET NAMING AND PROPERTY ADDRESSING SYSTEM BILL (SENATE BILL NO. 43 OF 2024)

Sen. Mbugua

Sen. Mbugua Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT clause 60 (2) of the Bill be amended—

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(Bill deferred)I see Sen. Kathuri Murungi is not present and so, that Order is deferred. October 2, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 85 THE COUNTY GOVERNMENTS (STATE OFFICERS REMOVAL FROM OFFICE) PROCEDURE BILL (SENATE BILLS NO. 34 OF 2024)

Sen. Mbugua Madam Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of the Whole has considered the Cooperatives Bill (National Assembly Bills No.7 of 2024) and seeks leave to sit again tomorrow. Sen. Mbugua Madam Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee...

Division will be at the end. Clause 159 Sen. Mbugua Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT Clause 159 of the Bill be amended in subclause (1) (c) by deleting the words “Director for Cooperatives, or any person duly authorized in that behalf, by the Commissioner or the County...

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Yes.

Sen. Mbugua On that day of the special sitting, we discussed first. We never agreed. We tried to ask which way to use. The Speaker insisted that we have to use electronic voting. Some of us were already suspicious that the machine was not good. We refused. We stood up...

Sen. Cherarkey, pose the questions to him, and then he will answer them.

Is your number 0720382136? No, just clarity.

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. Just for clarity, Mheshimiwa Trump.

Sen. Cherarkey, you asked a question. The PA and Secretary cannot vote on my behalf because the phone which I use is this one. The message which came on the voting day is on this mulika mwizi phone. I was given the message through this one. The message is here....

Thank you. Let us have Sen. Cherarkey. Ask direct questions. We are spending about five minutes on this session.

Through the Chair, is this --- (Sen. Methu spoke off record) Chair, can you protect us? Sen. Methu is not the Speaker.

Yes.

The second clarification I will be requesting, finally is on affidavit number 10. In these Facebook and WhatsApp accounts, who controls them, and is there a possibility, as my colleagues have asked on clarity, do you trust your Secretary and your Personal Assistant (PA) not to have voted on your...

Thank you. You can proceed to answer, witness. Sen. Methu and Sen. John Nderitu will follow.

Read out the number to him, but do not cross-examine him. Let him just answer your question---

Can he be assisted to write it down, so that I ask him? So, Mheshimiwa through the Temporary Speaker, is this your number 0720382136?

On that day of the special sitting, we discussed first. We never agreed. We tried to ask which way to use. The Speaker insisted that we have to use electronic voting. Some of us were already suspicious that the machine was not good. We refused. We stood up and said,...

Sen. Mbugua Mr. Speaker, Sir, I cannot see. Let me wear my glasses.

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Sen. Mbugua Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to give notice of the following Motion- THAT the Senate notes the report of the Third Commonwealth Parliamentarians with Disability African Region Conference held in Lusaka, Zambia from 24th to 28th February 2025 laid on the table of the Senate on 7th...

Sen. Mbugua Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table of the Senate, today, 7th August, 2025- Report of the Third Commonwealth Parliamentarians with Disability African Region Conference held in Lusaka, Zambia from 24th to 28th February 2025. (Sen. Mbugua laid the document on...