Anthony Kimani Ichung'wah

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Deputy Speaker, it is indeed true what you have indicated that the matter was settled on the Floor. Besides that, I have spoken to Hon. Masara on that particular issue. There are many things that the substantive Speaker has called the candour and banter...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. Allow me to lay the following Paper on the Table: The Report of the National Dialogue Committee. It is a very voluminous document and I urge Members to use the recess to go through it, read, understand and comment on...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Hon. Ruku is a very diligent Member. That is why he was eager to comment on the Statement from the Committee on Delegated Legislation. I am making the usual Thursday Statement. Hon. Temporary Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Speaker, let me, first, thank the Members of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning for being very diligent in their work. I also thank the Chairman for the Statement he has given. We have seen a lot of misinformation in the...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Motion: THAT, this House adopts the Report of the National Dialogue Committee, laid on the Table of the House on Thursday, 7th December 2023. Hon. Deputy Speaker, aware that we are proceeding on recess,...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Speaker, the Chairperson is not present and, as I had said, I will never hold brief for any Chairperson, especially the one who irresponsibly refuses to come to the House. I want to advise members of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I can now relay that directive to the Chairperson of that Committee. I want to restate that Chairpersons of Committees must be in the House. The Liaison Committee, chaired by the Deputy Speaker, has made it clear that until Order No.7 on...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu UDA) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Now that Hon. Robert Pukose is away and he had given notice, let me commit myself to take it up with him within the first two weeks after we resume. Thank you. Next is Hon. Teresia Wanjiru. Is the Nominated...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. This request for Statement is for Hon. Kareke Mbiuki and the Vice-Chairperson is also missing as usual. I will relay it to them, so that they can respond within the first two weeks after recess. Thank you, Leader of the...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu UDA) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I will continue to step in for my good Chairpersons, but Hon. G.K. was here. I do not know when he stepped out? As I have said for the other requests for statements, he will get a response within the first two...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. With your indulgence, I beg to withdraw the Procedural Motion because of the wording. I shall consult with the House Business Committee. (Loud consultations) Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Deputy Speaker, with your indulgence, I beg to withdraw Order...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Listen! As the Leader of the Minority Party said – without anticipating debate – Members should take note that the House Business Committee had slotted in a Morning Sitting on Thursday. I indicated to the Cabinet Secretary that this House cannot proceed for the long...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) For me, when it comes to an issue of conflict between the interest of a Cabinet Secretary, a Principal Secretary, a Chair of a Board, or the NG-CDF CEO and the people of Kikuyu, the people of Kikuyu will take precedence over anyone else. That...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) When it comes to an issue…

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Deputy Speaker, if Members will allow me to finish, as you have indicated, this matter is not contested by anybody, including the Leader of the Majority Party. That is why I took the liberty even before the matter was raised before this House… You...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Actually, we would not have cared whether there was the NG-CDF or not if the Treasury had made sure that the bursary money was with the people we represent. It is our work to resolve issues that are of concern to the people of Kenya...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. Allow me to begin by thanking the Leader of the Minority Party, Hon. Wandayi, for raising… (Loud consultations)(Laughter)(Applause) 5th December 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 11 Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA)is their right under our Constitution. Therefore, I cannot agree more...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. With your indulgence, I beg to withdraw the Procedural Motion because of the wording. I shall consult with the House Business Committee. (Loud consultations) Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Deputy Speaker, with your indulgence, I beg to withdraw Order...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Listen! As the Leader of the Minority Party said – without anticipating debate – Members should take note that the House Business Committee had slotted in a Morning Sitting on Thursday. I indicated to the Cabinet Secretary that this House cannot proceed for the long...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) For me, when it comes to an issue of conflict between the interest of a Cabinet Secretary, a Principal Secretary, a Chair of a Board, or the NG-CDF CEO and the people of Kikuyu, the people of Kikuyu will take precedence over anyone else. That...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) When it comes to an issue…

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Deputy Speaker, if Members will allow me to finish, as you have indicated, this matter is not contested by anybody, including the Leader of the Majority Party. That is why I took the liberty even before the matter was raised before this House… You...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Actually, we would not have cared whether there was the NG-CDF or not if the Treasury had made sure that the bursary money was with the people we represent. It is our work to resolve issues that are of concern to the people of Kenya...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. Allow me to begin by thanking the Leader of the Minority Party, Hon. Wandayi, for raising… (Loud consultations)(Laughter)(Applause) 5th December 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 11 Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA)is their right under our Constitution. Therefore, I cannot agree more...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Yes. The consistent presence of petitions on hardship requires you to speak to the Executive to formulate regulations that are clear, determinate, understandable and bring to you, perhaps, through the Committee on Delegated Legislation, so that you can debate and set the criteria on what...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Yes. The consistent presence of petitions on hardship requires you to speak to the Executive to formulate regulations that are clear, determinate, understandable and bring to you, perhaps, through the Committee on Delegated Legislation, so that you can debate and set the criteria on what...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. It would be immoral for any Government officer to allow such a property to be sold off cheaply. An acre of property on Ngong Road is currently not worth less than Ksh1 billion. The former Uchumi Supermarket along Ngong Road...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) I said that many lawyers are involved, and you are a very accomplished one. You know what those in charge of auctioning properties in banks do. Many Kenyans have suffered at the hands of auctioneers and banks. Therefore, we cannot collectively own an asset and...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. It would be immoral for any Government officer to allow such a property to be sold off cheaply. An acre of property on Ngong Road is currently not worth less than Ksh1 billion. The former Uchumi Supermarket along Ngong Road...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) I said that many lawyers are involved, and you are a very accomplished one. You know what those in charge of auctioning properties in banks do. Many Kenyans have suffered at the hands of auctioneers and banks. Therefore, we cannot collectively own an asset and...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. It would be immoral for any Government officer to allow such a property to be sold off cheaply. An acre of property on Ngong Road is currently not worth less than Ksh1 billion. The former Uchumi Supermarket along Ngong Road...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) I said that many lawyers are involved, and you are a very accomplished one. You know what those in charge of auctioning properties in banks do. Many Kenyans have suffered at the hands of auctioneers and banks. Therefore, we cannot collectively own an asset and...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. It would be immoral for any Government officer to allow such a property to be sold off cheaply. An acre of property on Ngong Road is currently not worth less than Ksh1 billion. The former Uchumi Supermarket along Ngong Road...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) I said that many lawyers are involved, and you are a very accomplished one. You know what those in charge of auctioning properties in banks do. Many Kenyans have suffered at the hands of auctioneers and banks. Therefore, we cannot collectively own an asset and...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Yes. The consistent presence of petitions on hardship requires you to speak to the Executive to formulate regulations that are clear, determinate, understandable and bring to you, perhaps, through the Committee on Delegated Legislation, so that you can debate and set the criteria on what...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Yes. The consistent presence of petitions on hardship requires you to speak to the Executive to formulate regulations that are clear, determinate, understandable and bring to you, perhaps, through the Committee on Delegated Legislation, so that you can debate and set the criteria on what...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Yes. The consistent presence of petitions on hardship requires you to speak to the Executive to formulate regulations that are clear, determinate, understandable and bring to you, perhaps, through the Committee on Delegated Legislation, so that you can debate and set the criteria on what...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Yes. The consistent presence of petitions on hardship requires you to speak to the Executive to formulate regulations that are clear, determinate, understandable and bring to you, perhaps, through the Committee on Delegated Legislation, so that you can debate and set the criteria on what...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you. I thank Members who have sat throughout the Committee of the whole House. This is where actual legislation is done. I must commend all Members. I hope they will all be present on Tuesday afternoon to testify to what the few Members present...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I want the Chairperson to take us slowly. I got the first bit. Can he take us sub-clause by sub-clause? He is reading his justification in a very jumbled up manner. His justification on the first clause is clear. I need clarification...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I particularly support the deletion of sub-clause (3) , which was exempting the prize monies paid under this Act from Income Tax. In fact, my view was that this would have been a very unconstitutional provision in the Bill. Therefore, I support....

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I have been convinced by the Hon. Chairman that mutatis mutandis is not in place but ‘with necessary modifications’ can work. Let me support the Hon. Chairman. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Thank you. Hon. Catherine Omanyo.

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I object. You know, we are legislating and law is legalese. The lawyers in the Committee should have explained to the Members what is mutatis mutandis. I was actually going to google. Any layman like myself can google what mutatis mutandis means....

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I want to move a further amendment. Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 27 of the Bill be amended in sub-clause (2) by adding the words “and the conduct of the National Lottery” immediately after the word “gambling” appearing...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : What is your point of order, Leader of the Majority Party? Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, since the Chairman does not want to be informed, let...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) I am laughing because the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Education has now taken over the work of the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Sports and Culture. He is dropping an amendment without the owner dropping it. He should be persuading the Chairman...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) We pushed the Chair to move Clause 2 when he was still perusing his papers. So, he has not given us any justification. Before we decide, it is only fair that we hear the justification. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Chairman, this...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I have heard the justification. Clause 2 defines the term “Cabinet Secretary” as the Cabinet Secretary for the time being responsible for matters related to national lotteries. The Chairperson has just said that the Cabinet Secretary for Interior and National Administration will...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move that the House reports its consideration of the National Lottery Bill (National Assembly Bill No.69 of 2023) and its approval thereof with amendments. (Question proposed) (Question put and agreed to) (The House resumed) IN THE HOUSE CONSIDERATION OF...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said Report. I request the Member for Kabete, who is the Vice-Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Sports and Culture, Hon. Githua Wamacukuru, to second the Motion for...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA)(Technical hitch)Hon. Temporary Speaker, allow me to take this opportunity to thank Members of the Departmental Committee on Sports and Culture and all Members who have sat…

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I persuade the Chairperson to drop the last sub-clause that says: “ (3) The Board shall, while proposing and determining the allocation, set the criteria and conditions for accessing the Fund, ensure equitable distribution across the country including allocations to state and...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I seek your indulgence. I rise under Standing Order 53 to request that we defer putting the Question to the next sitting.

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I am very proud to represent the good people of Kikuyu even as we serve the rest of the country. I rise to support this Motion on the National Tax Policy. This National Tax Policy is one of the measures...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) We will advise them on appeal. I am certain that the able lawyers led by our senior Sir George, Member for Tharaka Constituency, will be articulating these issues. In fact, I called Hon. Murugara and some of our legal counsels to ask them if they...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you. You know I have also been pausing to listen to you when you interrupt me. That is why I am begging your indulgence for two more minutes. 30th November 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 42 Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) If we were to...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Speaker, Kenyans must begin to ask themselves how we arrived at that situation where we spend 95 per cent of our tax refunds on two companies dealing with bread and milk. When I spoke about instituting a State capture commission, I meant business....

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) On a point of information, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Would you like to be informed by the Leader of the Majority Party?

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, first I want to propose a further amendment on Clause 20 (b) by deleting the last words, “by the Ministry responsible for Public Service, Performance and Delivery Management” to read: “by the National Government”. The sentence will read thus: “on the basis...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I want to propose a further amendment to sub-clause (4) which talks of “based on satisfactory performance” immediately after the words “one further term of three years”. This makes the law very subjective. How do you tell what is satisfactory performance? If...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA)(Technical hitch)Hon. Temporary Speaker, allow me to take this opportunity to thank Members of the Departmental Committee on Sports and Culture and all Members who have sat…

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I want to propose a further amendment to sub-clause (4) which talks of “based on satisfactory performance” immediately after the words “one further term of three years”. This makes the law very subjective. How do you tell what is satisfactory performance? If...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, first I want to propose a further amendment on Clause 20 (b) by deleting the last words, “by the Ministry responsible for Public Service, Performance and Delivery Management” to read: “by the National Government”. The sentence will read thus: “on the basis...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) On a point of information, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Would you like to be informed by the Leader of the Majority Party?

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : What is your point of order, Leader of the Majority Party? Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, since the Chairman does not want to be informed, let...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I want to move a further amendment. Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 27 of the Bill be amended in sub-clause (2) by adding the words “and the conduct of the National Lottery” immediately after the word “gambling” appearing...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I object. You know, we are legislating and law is legalese. The lawyers in the Committee should have explained to the Members what is mutatis mutandis. I was actually going to google. Any layman like myself can google what mutatis mutandis means....

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I have been convinced by the Hon. Chairman that mutatis mutandis is not in place but ‘with necessary modifications’ can work. Let me support the Hon. Chairman. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Thank you. Hon. Catherine Omanyo.

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I particularly support the deletion of sub-clause (3) , which was exempting the prize monies paid under this Act from Income Tax. In fact, my view was that this would have been a very unconstitutional provision in the Bill. Therefore, I support....

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I want the Chairperson to take us slowly. I got the first bit. Can he take us sub-clause by sub-clause? He is reading his justification in a very jumbled up manner. His justification on the first clause is clear. I need clarification...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I persuade the Chairperson to drop the last sub-clause that says: “ (3) The Board shall, while proposing and determining the allocation, set the criteria and conditions for accessing the Fund, ensure equitable distribution across the country including allocations to state and...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) I am laughing because the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Education has now taken over the work of the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Sports and Culture. He is dropping an amendment without the owner dropping it. He should be persuading the Chairman...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) We pushed the Chair to move Clause 2 when he was still perusing his papers. So, he has not given us any justification. Before we decide, it is only fair that we hear the justification. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Chairman, this...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I have heard the justification. Clause 2 defines the term “Cabinet Secretary” as the Cabinet Secretary for the time being responsible for matters related to national lotteries. The Chairperson has just said that the Cabinet Secretary for Interior and National Administration will...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move that the House reports its consideration of the National Lottery Bill (National Assembly Bill No.69 of 2023) and its approval thereof with amendments. (Question proposed) (Question put and agreed to) (The House resumed) IN THE HOUSE CONSIDERATION OF...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said Report. I request the Member for Kabete, who is the Vice-Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Sports and Culture, Hon. Githua Wamacukuru, to second the Motion for...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Speaker, Kenyans must begin to ask themselves how we arrived at that situation where we spend 95 per cent of our tax refunds on two companies dealing with bread and milk. When I spoke about instituting a State capture commission, I meant business....

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you. You know I have also been pausing to listen to you when you interrupt me. That is why I am begging your indulgence for two more minutes. 30th November 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 42 Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) If we were to...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) We will advise them on appeal. I am certain that the able lawyers led by our senior Sir George, Member for Tharaka Constituency, will be articulating these issues. In fact, I called Hon. Murugara and some of our legal counsels to ask them if they...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I am very proud to represent the good people of Kikuyu even as we serve the rest of the country. I rise to support this Motion on the National Tax Policy. This National Tax Policy is one of the measures...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I seek your indulgence. I rise under Standing Order 53 to request that we defer putting the Question to the next sitting.

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you. I thank Members who have sat throughout the Committee of the whole House. This is where actual legislation is done. I must commend all Members. I hope they will all be present on Tuesday afternoon to testify to what the few Members present...