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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I beg to move. I ask Sen. Cherarkey to second. I wish the coffee farmers all the best as we wait for the approval and signing of the Bill. Thank you.

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Sen. Kathuri Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, thank you for the opportunity to contribute to this all-important Bill and the Report of the Mediation Committee. I stand December 4, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 39 Sen. Kathurito congratulate the committee for having pulled off the mediation and having come to a point where...

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Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, thank you for the opportunity to contribute to this all-important Bill and the Report of the Mediation Committee. I stand December 4, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 40

to congratulate the committee for having pulled off the mediation and having come to a point where the Coffee Bill is on its way to becoming a Coffee Act.Coffee is one of the most important crops in the world. It is a global crop. One of the major commodities traded...

model that was there when Mumias Sugar Company was a blue-chip company whereby what was privatised was management, not ownership. I do not see a reason why there was a rush to do what was done without proper studies and proper public participation.With the cases of Miwani, Muhoroni and Nzoia,...

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I beg to move- THAT, the Senate adopts the Report of the Mediation Committee on the Coffee Bill (Senate Bills No.10 of 2023) , laid on the table of the Senate on Thursday, 4th December, 2025, and that pursuant...

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Last but not the least, the Senate Majority Leader, please, proceed.

The first comment was on an issue on my Committee which you asked me to comment on. So, the three minutes should be starting from now. Kwanza, Mheshimiwa Naibu Spika, ningependa kuchangia kuhusu masuala ya upungufu wa makadhi. Hili ni jambo muhimu sana kwa sababu mahakama za kadhi ndio husikiza...

No, the three minutes have not started yet. The first comment was on an issue concerning my Committee. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Please, use one minute or so to conclude.

I sought your permission. Allow me to make a few comments on the Statements by Sen. Chute and Sen. Hamida. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) You had three minutes. I am surprised that the Clerks-at-the-Table have not noticed that you have spent more than three minutes.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) No, the three minutes have not started yet. The first comment was on an issue concerning my Committee. December 4, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 25

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I sought your permission. Allow me to make a few comments on the Statements by Sen. Chute and Sen. Hamida.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, several Senators have actually expressed concern on Ikolomani, but you should know that there is no statement on Ikolomani. I wish the Senator for Kakamega County had moved with speed, even to ask a question to the Cabinet Secretary in charge of Environment...

The plight of ECDE teachers is not only confined to the County of Murang'a, where Sen. Nyutu highlighted specific areas and concerns. It is a fact that this House, though the Committee on Education has had a number of sessions with various county government representatives on the issue about the...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. There is a very important point that was raised by the Senate Majority Leader in his statement. The cooperation between the Legislature and the Executive has never been institutionalised.

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Senate Majority Leader. Hon. Senators. I have this message to convey to the County Assembly of Nyamira. (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted with the Chair) Senators, for the next 29 minutes, let us have Senators taking three minutes to make comments on the statements. We...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Okay, thank you. Sen. Boni Khalwale, please proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I just want to add on what Sen. Khalwale is saying, that this company called Shanta Gold, it is not just creating havoc in Kakamega, it is also creating havoc in Vihiga, the boundary between Vihiga and Siaya. People are not...

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Next is Senator for Marsabit County, Sen. Mohamed Chute, MP. According to my document here, you have no other title before the term MP. Sen. Chute, you have four statements. You were very wise even when in primary and secondary school during closing day. DELAYED...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Mo Fire, you cannot pronounce yourself as a holder of CBS and then direct me to recognise it.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Okay, next is the Senator for Tharaka-Nithi County, Sen. Mwenda Gataya Mo Fire, CBS, MP. EXPLOITATION OF STRATEGIC MINERALS IN THARAKA-NITHI COUNTY

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Fair enough, Sen. Chute. Next is the Senator for Busia County. COMPLIANCE OF RIARA UNIVERSITY WITH THE UNIVERSITIES ACT AND UNIVERSITY STANDARDS AND GUIDELINES

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Next is a statement from the Senator for Migori County, Sen. Eddy Oketch. That statement is dropped. DISAPPEARANCE OF KENYANS IN TANZANIA DURING AND AFTER THE OCTOBER, 2025 GENERAL ELECTIONS December 4, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 8 IMPLEMENTATION OF 2024 SENATE RESOLUTION ON PLIGHT OF ECDE...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sure, proceed. ONGOING LAND DISPUTE AND IRREGULAR SURVEY ACTIVITIES IN ANGATA BARIKOI, KILGORIS, NAROK COUNTY

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Are you done? Proceed and conclude.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Okay, thank you. Let us first have the Statement under Standing Order No.57 (1) by the Senate Majority Leader and then we can take a few comments. Senate Majority Leader? (Sen. Methu spoke to Sen. Cheruiyot) Order, Sen. Methu. What is exciting that you have...

They are still balls and they work very well. That is why my son was admitted before you. (Laughter) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Does he play football or rugby or netball?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) They are still balls and they work very well. That is why my son was admitted before you. (Laughter) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I heard the distinguished Senator for Nandi asking whether I have balls. I want to confirm to him that I have balls,...

Let me repeat. It is embarrassing and shameful that 63 years down the line after Independence, our people in northern Kenya and livestock are still dying due to lack of food. Where I come from, we have abundant harvest in the North Rift. It is very shameful. I want to...

(Technical hitch)Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, let me just quickly utilise my three minutes. One is to support Sen. Mohamed Chute on this statement. It is so sad that there are Kenyans and animals dying in northern Kenya because of hunger.

Sen. Kathuri): Let me repeat. It is embarrassing and shameful that 63 years down the line after Independence, our people in northern Kenya and livestock are still dying due to lack of food. Where I come from, we have abundant harvest in the North Rift. It is very shameful. I...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri):(Technical hitch)Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, let me just quickly utilise my three minutes. One is to support Sen. Mohamed Chute on this statement. It is so sad that there are Kenyans and animals dying in northern Kenya because of hunger.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Cherarkey Samson, proceed--- Wait, let us have Sen. Osotsi first then you will come next.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, do not take that opportunity for informing just to start debating or contributing to a statement. If you want to make a comment on that statement, I can give you that opportunity. So stop interrupting Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, so that he can conclude.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Very well. Next Order. December 4, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 7 QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, we have several statements under Standing Order No.53 (1) . We will start with Sen. Hamida Kibwana. STATUS, ADMINISTRATION AND OPERATIONAL CHALLENGES FACING KADHI COURTS...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Next, Order. Notices of Motion. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Chairperson, Mediation Committee, Sen. Mundigi. NOTICE OF MOTION ADOPTION OF REPORT OF THE MEDIATION COMMITTEE ON THE COFFEE BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.10 OF 2023)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) You have another paper to lay.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Very well, next is the Chairperson of the Committee on National Cohesion, Equal Opportunity and Regional Integration. You have a Paper to lay, today, Sen. Chute. December 4, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 6

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Majority Leader. (Loud consultations)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Clerk, do we have quorum? (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted with the Deputy Speaker) Serjeant-at-Arms, ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Hon. Senators, we are now properly constituted. (Sen. Gataya Mo Fire and Sen. Seki walked into the Chamber) Sen. Mwenda...

It is my deep conviction that this House will be doing a great disservice to the nation and the county assemblies if we terminate this matter on preliminary objection. Yes, we have done it before. There were contentions, but I keep on asking myself; “did we do fellow Kenyans injustice...

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity. I have listened to all the other colleagues Senator and what they are suggesting. Any time we see MCAs bringing their governor on impeachment charges, we know the effort they have put in. When I listen to what is being...

I would like to congratulate the MCAs for making an effort to check what is happening in their county and ensuring that they brought the governor here. We come from counties where there is a lot of misappropriation of the funds and yet, the MCAs have never even made the...

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for giving me an opportunity to comment on this Motion on the Floor of this Senate. We have a clear mandate as the Senate. Under Article 96 (1) , the role of the Senate is to represent the counties, to serve and protect the interests...

Sen. Kathuri Then, you may proceed.

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Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Many a times we have seen impeachment Motions brought before this House and we have taken decisions based on the preliminary objection. The question that has been left in the minds of Kenyans is what has led to the impeachment of the Governor. How...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Many a times we have seen impeachment Motions brought before this House and we have taken decisions based on the preliminary objection. The question that has been left in the minds of Kenyans is what has led to the...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)oversight. We must be careful not to be seen to be superintending on how county assemblies carry out their business. We cannot be seen to be the ones that are discouraging county assemblies from carrying out oversight mandates over their governors. A county assembly may just...

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Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want the Chairperson of this Committee to take responsibility now that he is asking for it. I am standing under Standing Order No.105 on responsibility for statement of fact for the statement that some Senators did not read. Did he spend the night with all...

Point of order! The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Have your seat. There is a point of order from Sen. Mungatana.

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir---

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir--- (Loud consultations)

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Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, will you protect me? The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)(Loud consultations)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, will you protect me? (Loud consultations)

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I will rectify for the comfort of the House. My apologies because I thought I said this report was brought here by the Vice-Chair, Sen. Omar Sheikh. I think that is correct if my memory serves me right unless she did not move the Motion....

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I start this contribution by acknowledging the good work of the committee. I also thank the Hon. Mariam Sheikh, the Vice-Chairperson, for ably moving this report which was seconded by the Hon. Tabitha Mutinda. I will, first of all,...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I stand, unfortunately, under Standing Order No.41 because as Members have spoken very eloquently, this report is extremely important for all of us and I think the House should be full. I am therefore calling your attention to the...

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Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I stand, unfortunately, under Standing Order No.41 because as Members have spoken very eloquently, this report is extremely important for all of us and I think the House should be full. I am therefore calling your attention to the fact that we have no...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Serjeant-at-Arms, ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) We now have quorum. Clerk, read out the first Order. MESSAGE FROM THE COUNTY ASSEMBLY OF NYAMIRA PROPOSED REMOVAL FROM OFFICE, BY IMPEACHMENT, OF THE GOVERNOR OF NYAMIRA COUNTY, HON. AMOS KIMWOMI...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Next is the Chairperson of the Standing Committee on Finance and Budget. REPORT ON CONSIDERATION OF THE KENYA NATIONAL COUNCIL FOR POPULATION AND DEVELOPMENT BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO.72 OF 2023)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Next, the Chairperson of the Standing Committee on Labour and Social Affairs.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Next Order. NOTICE OF MOTION ESTABLISHMENT OF A SPECIAL COMMITTEE TO INVESTIGATE THE PROPOSED REMOVAL FROM OFFICE, BY IMPEACHMENT, OF HON. AMOS KIMWOMI NYARIBO, THE GOVERNOR OF NYAMIRA COUNTY

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, let me give this Communication. The Motion having failed to get a seconder has been withdrawn. Hon. Senators, as you may have noticed, the Senate Majority Leader moved the Motion at Order No.8 on today's Order Paper for the establishment of a special...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Okiya Omtatah, you have violated these Standing Orders twice. First, is standing between me and the Member speaking, and two, is to cross to the other side of the aisle. November 27, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 15 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Okiya Omtatah,...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, you know that Sen. Okiya Omtatah has spent a lot of time in the streets, so this criss-crossing in the streets anyhow is his habit, but you can perhaps forgive him, so that he can learn the manners of the House. With time, he will understand. The...

I did, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) You should still thank those who negatived the Report for taking time to debate the Committee's report. Therefore, reply in a way that does not demean the effort or the work your colleagues are doing.

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. This House has Standing Orders and I am grateful that you are the one who taught me most of it in the early times. You know, you are an elder and you used to sit with me and you would show me the Standing...

On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Cherarkey, you are on intervention. What is your point of order?

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Then maybe I should ask him whether he is interested on being informed. Sen. Sifuna, conclude within one minute. Sen. Sifuna: I do not want to be informed by Sen. Cherarkey because I was watching those proceedings from the safety of my bar. I did...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Is it a point of order or a point of information?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Who is the first to go? Sen. Sifuna, you have your 10 minutes.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Clerk, confirm whether we have quorum? (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted with the Deputy Speaker) Serjeant-at-Arms, ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) (Sen. Cheruiyot consulted with the Deputy Speaker) Clerk, if we have quorum, read out the first Order. Proceed, Senate...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Cherarkey, are you a Member of the Health Committee?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you very much, Mr. Deputy Speaker. First, I want to thank my elder sister, Sen. Mariam Omar, who is the Vice-Chairperson of the Committee on Health, for ably moving. I know you are very interested with this Report because it touches on Meru also...

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Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I wish to comment on the report by the Senate Standing Committee on Roads, Transportation and Housing. I equally share the sentiments of the Tana River County Senator, Mungatana, because after going through their recommendations and November 26, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 18

direction to another direction. Sugarcane crop valued this amount was destroyed and that yes, the petitioner is entitled to compensation. All this was not done. Instead, our petitioner, who saw that this is his last resort to getting justice was again referred to other adjudicative bodies.Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I...

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for giving me the opportunity to debate this Report. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, this Report was occasioned by one Mr. Francis Otieno who wanted compensation for the damage on his sugarcane crop by the Department of Public Works, Roads,...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I have this Communication to make, Hon. Senators. COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR RATIFICATION OF PRODUCTION SHARING CONTRACTS AND FIELD DEVELOPMENT PLAN THE AUTISM MANAGEMENT BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.19 OF 2025) THANKS FOR THE PRESIDENTIAL ADDRESS The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) The debate was concluded during...

Sen. Kathuri) : Okay, just proceed. Kindly, give me one minute. Have your seat. Sen. Sifuna, kindly approach the Chair. (Sen. Sifuna consulted with the Deputy Speaker) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Okay, just proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sorry, Sen. Sifuna. The document I have has no such prayers. Clerk, can you kindly approach the Chair? (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted with the Deputy Speaker) November 25, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 9

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you. Next Order, Clerk. Sen. Edwin Sifuna, you have a petition to lay?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) You have three minutes on this Order, Sen. Korir.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Sen. Oketch Gicheru. Last but not least, Sen. Faki.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table of the Senate today, Tuesday, 25th November, 2025- PAPERS LAID

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, we will try and truncate it, so that we go straight to the prayers. There is a confirmation here that this issue is not pending anywhere in any court of law or constitutional or legal body in Kenya. “WHEREAS, we, the undersigned, on behalf of the...

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Sen. Kathuri) :millions. This is not one, but several patients. Even as we go the SHA route, we must insist that Kenyans should not bear the burden of health services.It is also notable that Kenya has been able to do better in debt servicing and restoration of fiscal discipline. The...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I join my colleagues in registering my appreciation to the President on the State of the Nation Address to Parliament. I was in the House. I sat very close to the front to keenly listen to the President. I watched the body language and...

millions. This is not one, but several patients. Even as we go the SHA route, we must insist that Kenyans should not bear the burden of health services.It is also notable that Kenya has been able to do better in debt servicing and restoration of fiscal discipline. The Head of...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for the metropolitan transport system to be complete, Kajiado must be part of that infrastructural development. Kiambu, Nairobi, Machakos and Murang’a, have already received very good infrastructural development, bypasses; very good roads. However, the people of Kajiado are still watching Nairobi from a near distance. However,...

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Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I thank the Senate Majority Leader for the trust that he has in me to second this momentous Motion. This is because, as he has said, it is a constitutional requirement that the President give this kind of report on all the measures that...

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Mr. Deputy Speaker Sir, I rise, pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Lands, Environment and Natural Resources on a matter of national concern regarding the recent transfer of the management of Amboseli National Park to the County Government of Kajiado. The...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a statement from the Standing Committee on Lands, Environment and Natural Resource on a matter of countywide concern regarding the need for urgent rehabilitation of the Kizingitini and Ndau Landing sites in Lamu County. The Kizangitini...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to give notice of the following Motion- THAT, pursuant to Standing Order 27 (6) , the Senate- QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS STATEMENTS REHABILITATION OF KIZINGITINI AND NDAU LANDING SITES IN LAMU COUNTY

Report of the Auditor-General on financial statements of Iftin Sub-County Level 4 Hospital - County Government of Garissa for the year ended 30th June, 2025.Report of the Auditor-General on financial statements of Murang’a County Emergency Fund for the year ended 30th June, 2025.Report of the Auditor-General on financial statements Murang’a...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table of the Senate today, Tuesday, 25th November, 2025- STATE OF THE NATION ADDRESS BY HIS EXCELLENCY THE PRESIDENT THE 12TH ANNUAL REPORT ON REALISATION OF NATIONAL VALUES AND PRINCIPLES OF GOVERNANCE ANNUAL REPORT ON...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) The next Senator is Sen. Mariam Sheikh Omar.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Omogeni, do you want to be informed by Sen. Eddy?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I also want to inform you, Sen. Eddy, that Meru Teaching and Referral Hospital is also being elevated to Level 6. So, we are adding numbers.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Very well. Proceed, Sen. Omogeni.

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Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, kindly call on the Senate Majority Leader and the team that is consulting to do so in low tones. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) They can consult at the back space here. I have heard what they are discussing and it cannot be done on Floor...

Sen. Kathuri): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, kindly call on the Senate Majority Leader and the team that is consulting to do so in low tones. Sen. Sigei, I am hearing two voices, you and another kamukunji here led by the Majority Leader.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Next is Sen. Wakili Hilary Kiprotich Sigei.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed, Sen. Eddy.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, the time allocated for Statements is spent. We have surpassed the time by 15 minutes and now we are almost 25 minutes extra. Let us now have the Statement under Standing Order No.57 (1) by the Senate Majority Leader. (An hon. Senator spoke...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Let us move on to the next Order. Clerk, ascertain whether we have quorum to put the question. Hon. Senators, I will re-organise the Order Paper. Order Nos.8 and 9 are deferred. INSTALLATION OF CCTV CAMERAS IN ALL POLICE STATIONS, CELLS AND POLICE REPORTING DESKS...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) From my dashboard, I can also see that Sen. Cherarkey spoke. It should be cleared now. Anyone interested to contribute should use the intervention button. Sen. Mwinyihaji Mohamed Faki.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Next is Sen. Daniel Maanzo.

Sen. Kathuri Thank you, Honourable Speaker. I also take this opportunity to welcome my brother, the Cabinet Secretary for Energy and Petroleum to this House. I served with him for 10 years in the National Assembly. When I see him here, I am very proud that we are really also...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Cabinet Secretary, you can answer that first Question. That is Question No.043. As directed by the former Chair, you do not need to read this document verbatim because it is voluminous. You should paraphrase by going to areas you think the Senator for Nairobi...

Sen. Kathuri Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I have been listening to the papers being laid in this House. Let me add to the papers which have been laid here this afternoon; Level 4 hospitals, Level 3 hospitals--- Kenyans listening to us will think we are taking over the work...

Sen. Kathuri Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to lay the following Paper on the table of the Senate, today, 19th November, 2025- THIRD REPORT OF THE PROCEDURE AND RULES COMMITTEE ON REVIEW OF THE SENATE STANDING ORDERS

Sen. Kathuri I beg to give notice of the following Motion- THAT, pursuant to Standing Order Nos.267, 268 and 270, the Senate approves the third report of the Procedure and Rules Committee on the review of the Senate Standing Orders, laid on the table of the Senate on Wednesday, 19th...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Please, freeze my time.

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. On behalf of myself, my family and the great people of Elgeyo Marakwet County, I also wish to extend a message of condolence to the people of Isiolo South Constituency, Isiolo County and the family of Hon. Mohamed Tubi on his demise. I watched...

Assembly, and was a Member of Parliament for Isiolo South Constituency. He did well for himself and his family. It is unfortunate that he has passed on. However, these are things that we leave to God. We accept that it was God’s will that his time had come. May his...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I beg to reply and to also thank all the Members who contributed to this Motion. I have noted the concerns. Sen. Sifuna had concerns on CCTV footage being tampered with. I wish he was here so that I...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I beg to reply and to also thank all the Members who contributed to this Motion. I have noted the concerns. Sen. Sifuna had concerns on CCTV footage being tampered with. I wish he was here so that I inform him that with modern...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Very well. Sen. Murgor.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, as you are aware, we have quite some heavy work to do today. Therefore, I will limit the time for your comments to three minutes, which will go up to 3.30 p.m. Sen. Beatrice Akinyi, Ogola, proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) As much as I really want to be a bit magnanimous, I made some communication that I really want you to respect. You have 30 more seconds only.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)Commissioner, Sen. Wamatinga Wahome,

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you. Next is Sen. Mumma. (Sen. Oketch Gicheru spoke off record) Order, Sen. Oketch Gicheru.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) There is a reason why you are not in this Chair. There is a reason I am chairing. I have now given the Floor to Sen. Mumma.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed. Order, Sen. Cherarkey!

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Next is Sen. Veronica Maina.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Kindly, because of the respect I have for you, I will give you 30 seconds. Do not border on our friendly relations with other countries. Kenya is a decent nation and we must continue to demonstrate that decency even on the Floor of this Senate.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Very well. Sen. Veronica Maina, you know, your haircut is really outstanding. If a gentleman from the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) is responsible for that style, then we should encourage many more like him to come to Kenya. Next is Sen. Oketch Gicheru.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Oketch, I am very keen on what you are contributing. Kindly, use parliamentary language. The way you have described that Senator, I do not think he has those principles. Kindly, withdraw that remark. Sen. Oketch Gicheru: Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I withdraw that because...

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Asante Bw. Naibu Spika kwa kunipa nafasi ili nichangie kauli ambayo imeletwa na Sen. Cherarkey kuhusu uhusiano wa kibinadamu na zile nchi zilizo karibu na sisi. Naomba kamati ambayo itashughulikia swala hili iangalie uhusiano wa nchi ya Kenya na nchi jirani. Wiki jana, tulikuwa katika...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. On behalf of myself, my family and the great people of Elgeyo Marakwet County, I also wish to extend a message of condolence to the people of Isiolo South Constituency, Isiolo County and the family of Hon. Mohamed Tubi...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. On behalf of myself and the people of Bomet County, I would like to also pass my heartfelt condolences to the people of Isiolo County and to the family of the hon. Member of Parliament, Hon. Tubi. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, unfortunately, I never...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity. When we hear such kind of news, we normally start with these Arabic words “Inna Lillahi wa inna ilayhi raji'un” meaning, “we are from you, God, and we return to you.” Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, Hon. Tubi was a...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. On behalf of myself and the people of Bomet County, I would like to also pass my heartfelt condolences to the people of Isiolo County and to the family of the hon. Member of Parliament, Hon. Tubi. Mr. Deputy...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. On my own accord and on behalf of the great people of Nandi County, I express my deepest condolences following the untimely demise of Hon. Tubi Mohamed, the Member of Parliament of Isiolo South in Isiolo County. I came to know Hon. Tubi when...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. On my own accord and on behalf of the great people of Nandi County, I express my deepest condolences following the untimely demise of Hon. Tubi Mohamed, the Member of Parliament of Isiolo South in Isiolo County. I came...

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Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I hereby report that the Committee of the Whole has lacked quorum to proceed with the business of the Senate. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, we will have to adjourn the House due to lack of quorum. ADJOURNMENT The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon....

Secretariat, can you confirm the quorum? Serjeant-at-Arms, can you ring the Quorum Bell for ten minutes? (The Quorum Bell was rung) [The Temporary Chairperson (Sen. Veronica Maina) left the Chair] [The House resumed] [The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) in the Chair] The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed, Chairperson of the...

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I refer to Standing Order No.39. If you look around, there is no sufficient quorum to proceed. So, I draw your attention to this matter. I thank you. The Temporary Chairperson (

Hon. Senators, we are sorting out something in the background about the position of the Chairperson in the Committee of the Whole and then the proceedings will commence.Hon. Senators, we will now proceed to the Committee of the Whole. I have requested the Secretariat to check whether Sen. Sigei is...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)The Temporary Chairperson (Sen. Veronica Maina): Hon. Senators, we are sorting out something in the background about the position of the Chairperson in the Committee of the Whole and then the proceedings will commence.Hon. Senators, we will now proceed to the Committee of the Whole. I...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I would like to register my displeasure, now that we have lost a gentleman. I have had interactions with my brother, Hon. Tubi, who happens to be a neighbour by extension - Isiolo County is not very far from Tharaka Nithi County. Hon. Tubi...

Sen. Kathuri Thank you, Hon. Cabinet Secretary. It is a good idea to recruit the 4,000 NYS graduates to the National Police Service (NPS) . However, how will this be done? Will you consider the time they left training? Will you be considering those who left earlier? What about those...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Cherarkey, you are out of order. Your question has no relationship with what is happening in any part of the country. Ask your question in good faith, so that the CS can answer you in ultimate good faith. Right? Let us hear the last...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Cherarkey Samson, please proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Veronica Maina, please proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. CS, what he is asking, if I got him right, is, once you start this company, where will this company get jobs from? Is it from the Government? Like maybe, say, building, constructing houses or from where? What the Member is saying in a...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) What is your question, Sen. Eddy?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Cabinet Secretary, what the Senator is asking is the names and the designations of those NYS officers. The Cabinet Secretary for Public Service, Human Capital Development and Special Programmes (Hon. Geoffrey Ruku) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, thank you for that question and clarification....

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senator, you know the Cabinet Secretary cannot be out of order. What clarification are you trying to seek before he finishes his response?

Sen. Kathuri Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. My supplementary question is based on different programmes that we have for the youth, spread across, in almost eight Ministries in this country. There is the Ministry of Youth Affairs, Creative Economy and Sports itself. There is the Ministry of Public Service and...

Sen. Kathuri Thank you Mr. Speaker, Sir, for this opportunity to ask a supplementary question. Before I do that, I would like to thank you because there is a time the Ministry approved my travel to the United Kingdom (UK) to attend a meeting trying to seek funds to connect...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Very well. The putting of the question has been deferred. (Putting of question on the Motion deferred) We will go to the next Order. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Yes, Sen. Murango.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Faki, you can now reply. Had you donated your time?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)Your request is granted. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON PETITION ON HISTORICAL INJUSTICES AND ILLEGAL ALIENATION OF LR NO.7153/1, NO.7153/2, NO.7153/2R AND NO.12825 IN KIAMBU COUNTY

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, I now propose the question. (Question proposed) I want to give an opportunity to Senators to contribute to the Motion. So far, none is on my dashboard. Proceed, Sen. Olekina.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I now call upon the Mover to reply.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Very well noted. The putting of the question has been deferred. (Putting of the question on the Motion deferred) Let us move on to the next Order. The Chairperson, Standing Committee on Lands, Environment and Natural Resources, Sen. Mohamed Faki, proceed. November 5, 2025 SENATE...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Murango, proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Ledama Olekina.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I now call upon the Mover to reply.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) The Chairperson of the Committee on Lands, Environment and Natural Resources, I also want to appreciate your work. In the Liaison Committee, we have been toiling on the petitions that have surpassed three years without conclusion. I thank you and your Committee and request that...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Ledama Olekina.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I now call upon the Mover to reply.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. (Dr.) Murango, just hold your horses. I want to--- (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted with the Deputy Speaker) Clerk, do we have the quorum? Can you confirm? Serjeant-at-Arms, ring the Quorum Bell for five minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Serjeant-at-Arms,...

Sen. Kathuri) : Mhe. Naibu Spika, mambo ya Lamu pia inaathiri watu wa Mombasa. Ningependa kujua kama kizuizi cha watu kusafiri usiku Lamu kilitolewa kupitia kwa gazeti rasmi ya Serikali. Hiyo gazeti rasmi ilichapishwa mwaka gani na tarehe gani. Hii ni kwa sababu huwezi kuzuia--- Sen. Githuku, does that mean...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Chute. Go directly to your supplementary question.

Sen. Kathuri) : Sen. Kathuri) : Ni barabara ya Turbi na Bubisa kuelekea Moyale.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Bw. Naibu Spika, watu wa Marsabit wanatutazama. Madam alipouliza swali lake, ni lazima niulize kuhusu Turbi na Bubisa.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. (Prof.) Ojienda, proceed.

Sen. Kathuri) : Sen. Kathuri) :Question No.028 November 5, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 36

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I have again received a detailed response, including the number of deaths, the causes and actions taken by the security apparatus at the time. Maybe the Cabinet Secretary will just highlight a bit. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Are you satisfied?

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, can I conclude, then the Cabinet Secretary will provide highlights when I am done?

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Mo Fire, when the Chair is trying to advise you, you sit down quietly. I was asking the Cabinet Secretary to answer those questions because we are really constrained with time. All Members are asking about operationalisation of a sub- location, location and division....

Yes, I am asking the question. I am trying to build up the case. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)[The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) left the Chair] [The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Veronica Maina) in the Chair]

Is it possible now for the Cabinet Secretary to tell us when we are getting an assistant chief for Kamagona sub-location, so that we can get services? The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Generally, it is about operationalisation of all the six---

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Just give me a few minutes I will explain myself. [The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) left the Chair] [The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Veronica Maina) in the Chair] November 5, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 42 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Freedoms from Discrimination provided for under Article...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Waziri, please respond. November 5, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 28 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)The Cabinet Secretary for Interior and National Administration (Hon. Kipchumba Murkomen): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the Government, through the Directorate of National Registration Bureau, assigns a unique ethnic identification code to...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Any other Member with a supplementary question to this one? Sen. Maanzo?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Do you know of one that has not been recognised, so that we start from there?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Mohamed Faki.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Faki, you cannot be changing languages the way you want. Just stick to one language.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Boni?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Answer those supplementary questions for us to make progress. The Cabinet Secretary for Interior and National Administration (Hon. Kipchumba Murkomen) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I would like Sen. Sifuna to listen to this. (Sen. Sifuna was consulting) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Sifuna,...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Do you have any supplementary question?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Do we have any other supplementary question? Can we hear from the Senator of Lamu County?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Yes.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri): Yes, I have, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I want to repeat that the buck stops with the Government. The Government is the one that is supposed to tell us when these roadblocks will be lifted. I oppose the question by the Hon. Nominated Senator. The...

Sen. Kathuri): That is okay.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Cabinet Secretary, perhaps you should give that clarification. The Cabinet Secretary for Interior and National Administration (Hon. Kipchumba Murkomen) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, concerning promotions, that was done and officers are already--- For the lower ranks of police officers like corporals and serjeants, they...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Please, repeat.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Just a minute, Cabinet Secretary. Let us get two more. Proceed, Sen. Gataya Mo Fire.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) You have asked your question. The Cabinet Secretary should also know that you are a former police officer. (An hon. Senator spoke off record) Maybe he did not get the promotion then. Hon. Cabinet Secretary, please, answer those three questions, so that we make progress....

Sen. Kathuri Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I beg to ask the Cabinet Secretary for Interior and National following question. November 5, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 16

Sen. Kathuri Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I want to thank the Cabinet Secretary (CS) , though some of the statistics that he has given me are not satisfactory. He has said that Meru men and women collaborate with the bandits, but that has not been documented. As far as...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed, Hon. Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Interior and National Administration (Hon. Kipchumba Murkomen) : Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I agree with Sen. Sifuna that we have been unable to answer these questions, but it was not by desire. The last time...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Very well. Let us have Sen. Joyce Chepkoech Korir.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Mo Fire, there is a time someone told another Senator that he was doing his first term in the Senate. The advice you have given Sen. Cherarkey, who is a seasoned legislator, is the route he could have taken to help the interns. Maybe...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Hezena Lemaletian.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, this Motion has surpassed the time allocated to it. Sen. Cherarkey, the Mover, has 15 minutes. If you are magnanimous enough, you could share your 15 minutes with Sen. Mumma and Sen. Mandago. The choice is yours.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Very well, let us hear from Sen. Mumma.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you. Your request is granted. (Putting of question on the Motion deferred) [The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) left the Chair] [The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Mumma) in the Chair]

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Mandago, you have the Floor.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) You have two more minutes.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Cherarkey, now reply.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Cherarkey, why are you interrupting the Members when they are contributing to your Motion? If you do not want them to contribute, then I call on you to reply and we move on. (Sen. Cherarkey spoke off record) You know the procedure for giving...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Olekina, are you ready now?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Are you interested to be informed? (Sen. Korir spoke off record)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Tabitha Keroche, would you like to be informed by Sen. Joyce Korir?