Murungi Kathuri

Very well, Sen. Cherarkey. That memorandum is committed to the Standing Committee on Health. (The memorandum was committed to the Standing Committee on Health) Hon. Senators, I have very brief Communications to make before we get to comments on Statements. (Sen. Osotsi walked into the Chamber) Order, Senators. Sen. Osotsi,...

Sen. Cherarkey, what is your point of order?

Sen. Omtatah was doing so well, actually, up to that point. He was listing the documents that he wants to table for my analysis. This is so voluminous, I cannot determine on them now. What I want you to do, Sen. Omtatah, is table the documents that you have as...

Senate Majority Leader, of course, reading the documents that he is tabling does not take even two minutes; maximum three minutes, just to read the way Sen. Sifuna did yesterday. He tabled all the documents. Now, the Speaker is analying his evidence. So, Deputy Minority Leader, Sen. Sifuna, can you...

Sen. Okiya Omtatah, you see now what you are actually inviting us to this afternoon? Sen. Eddy Oketch, what is your point of order? Order, Sen. Okiya Omtatah. Just listen to the points of order.

I will caution Sen. Okiya Omtatah. Please, use parliamentary language and also respect your colleagues.

Sen. Okiya Omtatah! Sen. Sifuna, what is your point of clarification?

Deputy Minority Whip, Sen. Sifuna, I had guided him very well. Sen. Cherarkey, please, hold your horses. Sen. Okiya Omtatah, just read through the list of documents that you have and give the Chair time to go through that volume, so that he can determine whether you have substantiated your...

As a Chair, I will be able to read all through from number one to 93. Just say that you have documents from numbers one to 93. Unless you are unable to substantiate, then the Standing Order will deal with it. (Sen. Okiya Omtath spoke off record) You cannot give...

I want to give him that latitude because you have mentioned his name, so that it is fair.

Sen. Osotsi, have your seat first. You cannot impute improper motives and allegations on your colleagues, even if you are on a point of order. Right? So, that is why it is the obligation of the Chair to make sure that the House is managed well. But also, let us...

You said that you have a set of 93 documents.

I think you are not ready to substantiate.

You must use the procedures of substantiation.

Can you lay down the documents that you have also for the Chair to interrogate them?

Can you just table what you have?

Lay your evidence.

Just lay on the table the documents that you have.

Majority Leader, what is your point of order?

Proceed.

You remember, Majority Leader, I clearly guided Sen. Omtatah that there is no need of reading the 93 documents or titles that he is reading, one by one up to 93. He can say, I have these documents, which are from one, content number one, to number 93 or to...

Can you table the documents you have without reading number one to 93?

The Chair gives guidance to the House, not micromanaging.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have listened to what you just said when I was sitting; that you think these things might be empty, tabula rasa. That, maybe, I am not able to substantiate. You are casting aspersions on me, yet I am before this House. I do not know what...

Proceed and table the document.

Are you ready to table the documents?

(Technical hitch)I can see Sen. Omtatah is not ready to do that. Let us go to the next Order. I want to check that. There are two ways to do it, Sen. Omtatah. You can either request the Chair for more time to do it or you withdraw if you...

Order, Sen. Okiya Omtatah. Your request is very valid. This matter, as the Senate Majority Leader put it, is also important for the nation. We must give him time to go and summarise number one to 93 and bring something concrete to this House. You will also give the Chair...

Next is Sen. Sifuna.

Proceed, Senate Majority Leader.

Sen. Eddy Oketch, you have the Floor.

Sen. Munyi Mundigi.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, thank you for the opportunity to comment on these statements. I am particularly concerned about the issue of pending bills. Currently, counties owe close to Kshs200 billion in pending bills. Upon examination, it appears that there has been no attempt to segregate these pending bills, which...

Proceed, Sen. Okoiti Omtatah.

Sen. Samson Cherrarkey, please, proceed.

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I rise in support of the Statement sought by the Senator for Bomet County, Sen. Wakili Hillary Sigei, on the matter concerning non-payment for services rendered to contractors in Bomet County. The matter of pending bills is becoming a serious and grave matter in...

Last but not the least, Sen. Mutinda. Use your two, three minutes, kindly.

Now, honourable Senators, you remember we dispensed of Order No. 8. Now, we can go to Order No.9. Majority Leader, if you are ready, you can proceed and reply. THE COMMUNITY HEALTH PROMOTERS BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILL NO.53 OF 2022)

Okay, very well. Putting of the question is deferred. (Putting the question on the Bill deferred) Hon. Senators, looking at the Order Paper, business appearing as Order No.10 all the way to Order No.20 are Divisions. I am afraid that we have no numbers for the Division. So, we will...

Did you say 2003?

Very well, Hon. CS. Hon. Senators--- (Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale consulted loudly) What is your issue, Sen. Boni? I cannot see you on my platform.

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I have a very short and brief question to the Cabinet Secretary. On the issue of e-GP, it is true that counties are getting some difficulties while using this system, particularly in the remote counties where most of the people are illiterate. Therefore, I...

Is it on your supplementary question? What is the issue?

No, you cannot ask two supplementary questions.

Are they related according to you?

Okay, let him answer that one first. Hon. Cabinet Secretary, proceed. The Cabinet Secretary for the National Treasury and Economic Planning (Hon. John Mbadi) : Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. It is a long response, but I will try to move through it quickly by summarising. without authority from...

Unless there is any other Member with a supplementary question. The response is in our gadgets, you can access it and then if there is any Member with a supplementary question, then you can ask. Sen. Sifuna, you may proceed.

Sen. Osotsi, you may proceed. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I have managed to quickly peruse through the long response and I have not seen much about other plans that successful governments have come up with and their effects on Vision 2030. For example, during President Uhuru Kenyatta’s time,...

you use that information now is subjective. It does not have to be standard. Those who support the government will use it differently. Those who oppose the government, like Sen. Sifuna, will also use it. That is the value of democracy and that is what I provided. I have given...

If you go that route, we might not be able to understand one another. So, maybe you answer the questions the way they are asked and then stop at that. The Cabinet Secretary for the National Treasury and Economic Planning (Hon. John Mbadi) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am...

Sen. Osotsi, you may proceed.

Hon. Cabinet Secretary, you may proceed to respond. The Cabinet Secretary for the National Treasury and Economic Planning (Hon. John Mbadi) : Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. On the issue raised by Sen. Sifuna on “the government likes long statements” I thought an accountable government must give as much...

Just a minute, Speaker. I do not remember the hiving off of Nairobi National Park being part of Vision 2030 for these projects. So, when he speaks about it, he should give us details. So, I am happy he has said that he will answer in two weeks, but let...

But he said he will prepare for your question.

In two weeks' time, which is okay, that is how we conduct business.

Sen. Sifuna, you are not a stranger in this Senate. If you ask a Cabinet Secretary a question and he has no answer at that particular time, he is given time to provide the response.

That is why I am saying that I am not giving you a leeway again to ask another supplementary question.

No, just a minute, CS. The Cabinet Secretary for the National Treasury and Economic Planning (Hon. John Mbadi): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I have committed myself. Yes, you did that. The Cabinet Secretary for the National Treasury and Economic Planning (Hon. John Mbadi) : I know Sen.r Sifuna could have...

Ask your question.

Everybody seems to be an expert in Vision

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, the question by Sen. Hamida Kibwana is a critical one. We might miss something here because in most cases audited reports concerning the national Government are reviewed by the National Assembly. Therefore, it is difficult to peg to some specific issues that I wanted to follow...

The Cabinet Secretary for the National Treasury and Economic Planning (Hon. John Mbadi): Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, on financial accountability, Sen. Wambua has talked about exchequer releases coming late thus causing audit queries. Indeed, it is true. First, it should be understood that exchequer releases can only happen when we...

Order, Majority Leader. What were you demonstrating? (Laughter) REPORTS AND CONSIDERATION OF REPORTS THE COUNTY GOVERNMENTS ADDITIONAL ALLOCATIONS BILL, (SENATE BILLS NO.8 OF 2026) Hon. Senators, we are now reporting progress on the County Governments Additional Allocations Bill, (Senate Bills No.8 of 2026) . Proceed, Chairperson.

Mover?

Hon. Senators, when the Chair puts the question for Third Reading, there is a window to contribute. That is why the Chair usually pauses to see whether any Member wishes to contribute. That is from experience. (Question proposed) We are now reporting on the County Allocation of Revenue Bill, (Senate...

Hon. Senators, we are going to the two divisions. If you have the numbers, we can proceed. If not, I will ring the Division Bell for five minutes. Serjeant-at-Arms, close the doors and roll the Bar. (The door was closed and the Bar drawn) NOES: Nil. ABSTENTIONS: Nil Honourable Senators...

Next is Sen. Shakila Abdalla. ACQUISITION OF LAND BY KDF IN LAMU COUNTY

Next is Sen. Godfrey Osotsi. IMPACT OF THE PROPOSED SGR PROJECT FROM MAAI MAHIU TO MALABA O N V I H I G A C O U N T Y

Hon. Senators, you know you are supposed to read exactly what is in your statement. You do not need to romanticise your name because we know you, Sen. Godfrey Osotsi. When reading your Statement, why should you say you are the one reading yet everybody in the country knows you?...

Last but not least, Sen. Hamida Kibwana, on behalf of Sen. Edwin Sifuna. STATE OF PROTECTED CONSERVATION AREAS IN THE COUNTRY

Just communicate to the Chair. Do not mind the other ---

Just pronounce yourself that you want Sen. Mungatana to second the Bill.

Very well. Sen. Joe Nyutu, proceed.

Sen. Enock Wambua, you have the Floor.

Sen. Murango.

Proceed, Sen. Olekina Ledama.

Sen. Wakoli, the Senate Majority Whip, please, proceed.

Very well. Sen. Joe Nyutu, proceed.

Sen. Enock Wambua, you have the Floor.

Sen. Murango.

Proceed, Sen. Olekina Ledama.

Sen. Wakoli, the Senate Majority Whip, please, proceed.

Sen. Abass, you have three minutes.

Sen. Abass, you were the last contributor to the statement. Sen. Okenyuri, did you finish? Take two minutes.

Before we move to the next Order, there is this statement that the chairperson had not allowed. I will use my privilege to allow Sen. Wakwabubi to read it on behalf of the Chairperson of the Standing Committee on National Cohesion, Equal Opportunity and Regional Integration. ACTIVITIES OF THE COMMITTEE...

Next Order, Clerk. ADOPTION OF REPORTS ON COUNTY OVERSIGHT AND NETWORKING ENGAGEMENTS IN KITUI, MAKUENI, MACHAKOS, KIAMBU, BUNGOMA AND KAKAMEGA COUNTIES The Chairperson, Senate Standing

Thank me also for recognising that he is doing the right thing.

No need. You are okay now. You have prosecuted your matter perfectly.

It is only for the Chair now to defer the putting of the question. (Putting of the Question deferred) Next Order. THE STATUTORY INSTRUMENTS (AMENDMENT) BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO.3 OF 2024) The Senate Majority Leader is not in the House, so I also defer the Mover’s reply. (Reply to...

Sen. Julius Murgor.

Sen. Catherine Mumma.

Next is Cherarkey. Before him, let me first make this communication. (Interruption of debate on Motion) COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR VISITING DELEGATION FROM MUSINGU BOYS HIGH SCHOOL

Sen. Wafula, there may be a point of information from Sen. Mungatana---

Sen. Wafula, I think, you had not concluded your welcoming remarks. Please, proceed.

You know, Sen. Cherarkey was signaling me because he also wanted to give you the list of MPs and governors, cabinet secretaries from Kapsabet Boys. (Laughter)

Sen. Cherarkey, you may proceed.

There is a point of order from Sen. Veronica Maina.

So, can you verify now your facts?

Actually, you said he was not emotional, but, you know, the HANSARD is very clear and I was really keen listening to you. I thought there would be a Member who might raise a point of order on your statements.

Kindly withdraw that.

When you allege some issues that you cannot really substantiate--- This Governor, His Excellency Ahmed Abdullahi cannot be able to come to this Floor to defend himself---

He did withdraw about the shedding of tears. He has withdrawn that bit. Can you really discuss the report without any issues? Sen. Cherarkey: No, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I hope my colleagues had mentioned the issue of health across the country. They were tying him to the report. I...

Uasin Gishu County is building a museum worth Kshs25 million, yet they are not completing stalled projects.In Nandi County, dispensaries are closed on Saturdays and Sundays and only open from 8.00 a.m. to 5.00 p.m., from Monday to Friday. I wonder whether sickness only occurs during working hours. This is...

Next is Sen. Osotsi Godfrey.

The Deputy Speaker is a respected Njuri Njeke Elder. He is beyond Parliament, he is on another level; he talks with the higher beings.Under Standing Order No.105, is it in order for the distinguished Senator for Vihiga County and one of the removed Orange Democratic Movement (ODM) deputy party leaders...

The Deputy Speaker is a respected Njuri Njeke Elder. He is beyond Parliament, he is on another level; he talks with the higher beings.Under Standing Order No.105, is it in order for the distinguished Senator for Vihiga County and one of the removed Orange Democratic Movement (ODM) deputy party leaders...

Sen. Osotsi, you have heard his point of order, please, clarify.

Sen. Osotsi, why are you addressing Sen. Cherarkey?

You are a good debater, but today, Sen. Cherarkey has diverted your mind. Focus and make your point. House. Could you also refrain from doing that? I do not think it is good for you or your colleague to use unpalatable language.Sen. Osotsi, conclude.

You are a good debater, but today, Sen. Cherarkey has diverted your mind. Focus and make your point.

On a point of information, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

Yes, you can also inform. Also if Sen. Mungatana ---

So, which is which? You may proceed, Sen. (Dr.) Mungatana.

Sen. Faki.

Asante, Mheshimiwa Naibu Spika, kwa kunipa fursa hii kuchangia Mswada wa marekebisho ya sheria ya kanuni za kisheria, yaani, statutory instruments. Kwanza kabisa, najiunga na Maseneta wenzangu ambao wamechangia Mswada huu hapo awali. Pili, sina pingamizi za kimsingi kwa kifungu cha kwanza, cha pili, cha nne na cha tano. Nina...

Sen. Faki.

Next is Sen. M. Kajwang’.

Honourable Senators, before we proceed with other Senators wishing to contribute, allow me to make this communication. COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR VISITING DELEGATION FROM GITIJIWE METHODIST CHURCH FELLOWSHIP, MERU COUNTY

Thank you, for the kind words. I think you are the best choice for that work. (Resumption of debate on Bill)

does not matter how many haters you have or how many people vote for you because they think you are a saint.I talked about a conversation. I think everything that is happening now, our forefathers and parents went through the same thing in stages. They had those conversations. Sometimes, to...

Sen. Eddy Oketch, proceed.

Give him one minute.

Very well. Honourable Senators, having no other Senator willing to contribute, I call upon the Mover to reply. Since the mover is not around, I defer the reply of the Bill. THE NARCOTIC DRUGS AND PSYCHOTROPIC SUBSTANCES (CONTROL) (AMENDMENT) BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.1 OF 2024) ENVIRONMENTAL MANAGEMENT AND COORDINATION (AMENDMENT)...

Order, Senators. We are now reporting progress of the Committee of the Whole. We start with The Nuts and Oil Crops Development Bill (Senate Bills No. 47 of 2023) . Proceed, Chairperson.

Mover.

Maybe Sen. Crystal, you can put the record straight on what you meant. What did you say about the youngsters exploding?

Time is up, Sen. Mariam. Proceed, Sen. Murgor.

foods should be protected because it is their economical source of strength and ability comes from there. Also, they should be protected because that is their livelihood.When the market is flooded with outside items, it just ruins the market. When the President asked Kenyans to go back to the farms,...

Thank you very much, Madam Temporary Speaker, for the opportunity to reply to this Environmental Management Coordination (Amendment) Bill. (Laughter)

Sen. Beth Syengo, the President of the Women of the Orange Democratic Movement (ODM) .

Sen. Danson, just to bring to your attention, the Motion was moved in an amended version to include Kiambu, Bungoma and Kakamega counties.

Sen. Crystal Asige, please, proceed.

Sen. Okenyuri, please proceed.

be as close as possible to our people. When someone is sick, they want to find services so close, which is why health services were devolved.We are also looking for quality services that come handy in a timely way. My colleague, Sen. Tabitha talked about the many women and newborns...

Sorry, I did not disclose that we have known each other for some years, but I do not want to give more details.

Majority Leader, there is a point of order from Sen. Asige.

Maybe Sen. Crystal, you can put the record straight on what you meant. What did you say about the youngsters exploding?

Sen. Cherarkey.

Sen. Crystal is not interrupting you in any manner. Why do you feel you need protection and you know she is harmless? She cannot do anything to you. She is a very nice lady.

Proceed, Sen. Mungatana.

I think that should be the end of this session on Statements. Maybe I will have mercy on Sen. Mariam and Sen. Murgor. I have pronounced your names, so that I can be on record, as my colleague takes over this seat. [The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) left the Chair]...

Order, Senators. We are now reporting progress of the Committee of the Whole. We start with The Nuts and Oil Crops Development Bill (Senate Bills No. 47 of 2023) . Proceed, Chairperson.

Mover.

Maybe Sen. Crystal, you can put the record straight on what you meant. What did you say about the youngsters exploding?

Time is up, Sen. Mariam. Proceed, Sen. Murgor.

foods should be protected because it is their economical source of strength and ability comes from there. Also, they should be protected because that is their livelihood.When the market is flooded with outside items, it just ruins the market. When the President asked Kenyans to go back to the farms,...

Thank you very much, Madam Temporary Speaker, for the opportunity to reply to this Environmental Management Coordination (Amendment) Bill. (Laughter)

Sen. Beth Syengo, the President of the Women of the Orange Democratic Movement (ODM) .

Sen. Danson, just to bring to your attention, the Motion was moved in an amended version to include Kiambu, Bungoma and Kakamega counties.

Sen. Crystal Asige, please, proceed.

Sen. Okenyuri, please proceed.

be as close as possible to our people. When someone is sick, they want to find services so close, which is why health services were devolved.We are also looking for quality services that come handy in a timely way. My colleague, Sen. Tabitha talked about the many women and newborns...

Sorry, I did not disclose that we have known each other for some years, but I do not want to give more details.

Majority Leader, there is a point of order from Sen. Asige.

Maybe Sen. Crystal, you can put the record straight on what you meant. What did you say about the youngsters exploding?

Sen. Cherarkey.

Sen. Crystal is not interrupting you in any manner. Why do you feel you need protection and you know she is harmless? She cannot do anything to you. She is a very nice lady.

Proceed, Sen. Mungatana.

I think that should be the end of this session on Statements. Maybe I will have mercy on Sen. Mariam and Sen. Murgor. I have pronounced your names, so that I can be on record, as my colleague takes over this seat. [The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) left the Chair]...

Clerk, do we have a quorum? (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted with the Deputy Speaker) Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly, ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Hon. Senators, let us settle down for business because we have the quorum. Clerk, please, read out the first Order. (Several Senators stood...

Thank you, the Senate Majority Leader. In my opinion, you should not complain, but compliment them that they have a strong team. Harambee Stars should learn from them. The Senate Minority Leader, please, proceed to your seat. Hon. Senators, I have another Communication. VISITING DELEGATION OF TEACHERS AND STUDENTS FROM...

Hon. Senators, today, we have enough visitors visiting the Senate, so, just so relax, so that we welcome all of them. VISITING DELEGATION FROM THE INTER-PARLIAMENTARY UNION (IPU) Next Order. Sen. Mumma, you have a Petition. GOLD MINING IN ISHULU-BUSHANGALA, KAKAMEGA COUNTY

Hon. Senators, pursuant to Standing Order No.238 (1) , I commit the Petition to the Committee on Land, Environment and Natural Resources. In terms of Standing Order No. 238 (2) (a) , the Committee is required, in not more than 60 calendar days from the time of reading the prayer,...

Mover. REPORT AND CONSIDERATION OF REPORT THE FOREST CONSERVATION AND MANAGEMENT (AMENDMENT) BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO.38 OF 2025)

Mover.

Sen. Kinyua, what is it you are doing on the chairs? (Laughter) May, 14, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 18 THIRD READING THE FOREST CONSERVATION AND MANAGEMENT (AMENDMENT) BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO.38 OF 2025) Mover.

Sen. Olekina has never seconded any Bill without taking almost 20 minutes to second or to--- (Question proposed) (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted with the Deputy Speaker) Honorouble Senators, you know I have been around for quite some time. The reason the Speaker pauses when the Bill is read a Third Time...

Hon. Senators, again, I want to rearrange the Order Paper. We will defer Order Nos.7 and 8 for a while and proceed to Order No.9. QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS STATEMENTS REPATRIATION OF REMAINS OF KENYANS WHO DIED IN A PLANE CRASH IN SOUTH SUDAN STATUS OF OPERATIONALISATION OF GAZETTED ADMINISTRATIVE UNITS...

Order, Sen. Kinyua and Sen. Cherarkey.

Order, Senators. Order, Senate Majority Leader. (Question proposed) (Applause) (Loud consultations)

Fair enough. Proceed, Sen. Kisang.

Hon. Senators, there is no other Senator wishing to contribute. Before I allow the Mover to reply, let me make this Communication. (Interruption of Debate on Motion) COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR VISITING DELEGATION FROM NKUENE GIRLS SECONDARY SCHOOL, MERU COUNTY Hon. Senators, I would like to acknowledge the presence, in...

The Chairperson, the Senate Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation, you can proceed and reply.

Clerk, can you confirm that we have quorum, so that we can put the question? (The Clerk-at-the Table consulted with the Deputy Speaker) Members, this matter does not concern counties. Therefore, I now put the question. (Sen. Madzayo stood up in his place) The Senate Minority Leader, you cannot just...

Decide whether it is Madam Speaker or Mr. Speaker, Sir. ADMINISTRATION OF THE COUNTY PENSION FUND

(Loud consultations)

Bwana CS? No. That is my formula. Hon. CS, respond to the prime supplementary question. The Cabinet Secretary for Ministry of Cooperatives and Micro, Small, and Medium Enterprises (MSMEs) Development (Hon. Wycliffe Oparanya) : Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I want to promise here that already this payment has...

Let us get this other one from Sen. Mbugua.

Respond to the three supplementary questions, hon. CS. The Cabinet Secretary for Ministry of Cooperatives and Micro, Small, and Medium Enterprises (MSMEs) Development (Hon. Wycliffe Oparanya) : Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. On the first question, let me assure this House that, as mentioned earlier, the total figure that...

Sen. Cherarkey, he gave his commitment to clear the pending bill of the former employees first. I even saw the former employees nodding because they were happy. I do not know whether we are speaking the same English.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to ask Question No.036 to the Cabinet Secretary for Cooperatives and Micro, Small and Medium Enterprises (MSMEs) Development: OUTSTANDING COFFEE PROCEEDS OWED TO FARMERS BY DEFUNCT KPCU

Bwana Cabinet Secretary, you may respond. The Cabinet Secretary for Cooperatives and Micro, Small and Medium Enterprises (MSMEs) Development (Hon. Wycliffe Oparanya) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, from the onset, let me say that such issues of delayed payment will never happen again. Since then, reforms have been undertaken and...

Any other supplementary questions?

I am interested in the KPCU issues first.

Sen. Mandago, you have just come in and we had already canvassed that matter. In the interest of fairness, since you are one of the key representatives from the Rift, I will give you an opportunity for that assurance. However, he has already committed himself to those figures. Any other...

Hon. Senators, I requested the Clerk to call out Order No.11 but due to other technicalities, we are not able to handle that now. Therefore, I defer business appearing as Order No.11 all the way to 28 because we have no Movers for these Bills. Yours truly has Order No.23,...

Clerk, do we have quorum? (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted with the Deputy Speaker) Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) We now have quorum. Clerk, read out the first Order. COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE CHAIR VISITING DELEGATION OF FRENCH MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT multilateral cooperation. The...

Hon. Senators, I have another Communication regarding a visiting delegation of teachers and students from Visa Oshwal Junior School, Nairobi City County. Hon. Senators, I would like to acknowledge the presence in the Public Gallery this afternoon of a visiting delegation of five teachers and 71 students from Visa Oshwal...

Sen. Tabitha Mutinda, I might decline giving Sen. Sifuna a chance because you are intervening in my space; it is not your mandate to do that. Sen. Sifuna, kindly utilise the two minutes.

Before that Order, let us listen to the Majority Leader.

But the Majority Leader has already cited. There are two things you have requested. One, that we move straightway to the Divisions. Two, to have the report on Meru County tabled by the Chairperson. He promised to do so. I have no doubts that the Chairperson is ready to do...

Clerk, confirm that we have a quorum? (Sen. Veronica Maina consulted loudly) Order, Sen. Veronica Maina. I want to ascertain that this matter does not concern counties. (Question put and agreed to) Clerk, next Order. THE EQUALIZATION FUND APPROPRIATION BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO. 21 OF 2025)

So, this means division. We must go to division. It is not a voice vote. Therefore, Majority and Minority Leaders, prepare for divisions. We are going for several divisions. So, we must be patient. Ring the Quorum Bell for five minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Okay. Serjeant-At-Arms, close the...

Hon. Senators, this is the last division before we go to the Committee of the Whole. Proceed and vote now. (Voting in progress) DIVISION ELECTRONIC VOTING AYES: 30 NOES: 0 ABSTENTION: 0 Serjeant-at-Arms, open the Doors and draw the Bars. COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE [The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)) left...

Clerk, read the next Order on Supplementary Order Paper II. AYES: 29 NOES: Nil ABSTENTIONS: Nil THIRD READING THE KENYA NATIONAL COUNCIL FOR POPULATION AND DEVELOPMENT BILL, (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO.72 OF 2023) DIVISION ELECTRONIC VOTING

While contributing, just focus on the Speaker. You will be distracted when you focus on Sen. Mutinda.

The only problem that you have, Sen. Mutinda, is that you tried to engage Sen. Kisang’ when he was also contributing. That is why he focused on you. I was not really looking at you to know whether you were dancing or not. Maybe Sen. Kisang’ can confirm what he...

Yes, Sen. Cherarkey. Just a minute, Sen. Kisang. Let us get the point of order from Sen. Cherarkey.

Sen. Cherarkey, just a minute. Sen. Asige, I will give you an opportunity. However, Sen. Cherarkey, you know that I recused myself from that issue; the issue about Sen. Kisang’s eyes and Sen. Mutinda’s eyes. So, the way they look at each--- you can never know. I am wondering whether...

Sen. Kisang, just a minute. I want to be very fair to Sen. Crystal Asige. What is your point of order, Sen. Asige?

This matter has elicited a lot of interest and emotions. Sen. Cherarkey, avoid giving me the words that I should use because you have just tested me and I have used the words coming from your mouth. I want to give my colleague here, Sen. Mandago, an opportunity. He has...

Sen. Beatrice Ogola.

Sen. Kibwana, if we go back to the HANSARD, you will find that Sen. Kisang really apologised, actually twice. But you know, his apologies, maybe were not very firm. Sen. Kisang, could you now really apologise to the leaders who are here, so that we make progress?

Very well. Sen. Joyce Korir, proceed.

Next is Sen. Beatrice Ogola.

Thank you, Sen. Ogola. Hon. Senators, on this particular business, there is no other interested Senator to contribute. Therefore, I will call upon the Mover to reply. Since he is not around, we will defer the process of the Mover replying. (Question, that the Mover be called upon to reply...

Thank you, Sen. Maanzo. Hon. Senators, there is no other Senator interested to make his or her contribution on this Motion. I can see the Mover of the Motion, I can see, is not in the House. So, also, I defer and direct that the Mover will reply in the...

Sen. Cherarkey, proceed.

You speak British English, but you do not come from England.

As I propose the question, Sen. Crystal Asige has not invited us as she launches another album. You know she is also a great musician. (Question proposed) I now open debate on this Bill.

A unit? Sen. Oketch Gicheru: You know, I went to a liberal arts school in Yale University where you can take a course in agroforestry in a semester. That is why I got a lot of interest. When I came back to start this programme, I also went to the...

variety, which I will touch on very fast, they start earning after three or four years. They make as much as Kshs7,000 when they sell one log. Tree growing families in Kericho and Nandi counties, where the Senate Majority Leader and Sen. Cherarkey come from, use eucalyptus trees as a...