Murungi Kathuri

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have listened to what you just said when I was sitting; that you think these things might be empty, tabula rasa. That, maybe, I am not able to substantiate. You are casting aspersions on me, yet I am before this House. I do not know what...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Okiya Omtatah! Sen. Sifuna, what is your point of clarification?

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I rise in support of the Statement sought by the Senator for Bomet County, Sen. Wakili Hillary Sigei, on the matter concerning non-payment for services rendered to contractors in Bomet County. The matter of pending bills is becoming a serious and grave matter in...

in the equitable share. The fear is that once you lump that money together with the equitable share, most of the things this House wants to see done are not done.In fact, there was a debate here, but I do not know if you can remember. As a Senate, we...

We have seen many counties claim that they had own-source revenue or stuff like that they were unable to meet and that is why the pending bills came about. However, the truth of the matter is that you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, and I know that they go and void procurements...

Bw. Naibu Spika, naunga mkono kauli hizi kwa sababu zilikuwa zinazungumzia mambo ya kilimo ya dengu, mahindi na maharagwe, kulingana na vile kilimo hakiendelei kwa njia inayofaa. Mkulima ndiye anafanya kazi kubwa, kama vile kushughulika na mbolea, mbegu, kupalilia, ila mkulima anapata shida wakati wa mavuno. Kuna watu wengi wanaotembea...

this will become a vicious cycle that will never end such that in the next five or 10 years, the same crisis of documents that you have seen Sen. Omtatah trying to table here on debt--- What is a pending bill? It is just another form of debt that you...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, thank you for the opportunity to comment on these statements. I am particularly concerned about the issue of pending bills. Currently, counties owe close to Kshs200 billion in pending bills. Upon examination, it appears that there has been no attempt to segregate these pending bills, which...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Very well, Sen. Cherarkey. That memorandum is committed to the Standing Committee on Health. (The memorandum was committed to the Standing Committee on Health) Hon. Senators, I have very brief Communications to make before we get to comments on Statements. (Sen. Osotsi walked into the...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want to contribute on the issue raised by our colleague, Sen. Wakili Sigei, just like the Senator who has spoken before me. The issue of pending bills is a national crisis. Sen. Omtatah, Sen. Sifuna, Sen. Eddy and other colleagues who are here, if we...

What have I been doing all the time? You have been stopping me. I tried to substantiate and explain what was in the documents, but I was stopped. When I began reading the document, the Senate Majority Leader stood up and said that I should read without explaining. Why am...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Okiya Omtatah, you see now what you are actually inviting us to this afternoon? Sen. Eddy Oketch, what is your point of order? Order, Sen. Okiya Omtatah. Just listen to the points of order.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) As a Chair, I will be able to read all through from number one to 93. Just say that you have documents from numbers one to 93. Unless you are unable to substantiate, then the Standing Order will deal with it. (Sen. Okiya Omtath spoke...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I would also like to add my voice to the statement by the Senator for Bomet, Sen. Wakili Hillary Sigei, regarding failure by the County Government of Bomet to pay contractors for completed road works. I know the statement has been committed to my committee. Therefore,...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I will caution Sen. Okiya Omtatah. Please, use parliamentary language and also respect your colleagues. June 18, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 25

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I would like to make brief comments on the statement that was brought by the Senator for Bomet, Sen. Wakili Hillary Sigei, regarding unpaid contractors. Just to inform this House that in the morning, we had a conversation with the Chairperson of the Council of Governors...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Senate Majority Leader, of course, reading the documents that he is tabling does not take even two minutes; maximum three minutes, just to read the way Sen. Sifuna did yesterday. He tabled all the documents. Now, the Speaker is analying his evidence. So, Deputy Minority...

This House is not ready for me to substantiate. Let the chips fall where they may or where they must. I am not going to be part of a masquerade. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Are you ready to table the documents?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Deputy Minority Whip, Sen. Sifuna, I had guided him very well. Sen. Cherarkey, please, hold your horses. Sen. Okiya Omtatah, just read through the list of documents that you have and give the Chair time to go through that volume, so that he can determine...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, several pending bills are not being paid because suppliers and contractors are asked for money by the Governor of Migori County. Why can we not confront this issue? I know for a fact that suppliers and contractors in Migori County whose monies are not being paid...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Cherarkey, what is your point of order?

We urge counties to pay all genuine pending bills. I agree with Sen. Omtatah of Busia that there should never be a pending bill for a recurrent expenditure. Once the financial year ends, the recurrent expenditure lapses, there should be no reason for anybody to spend beyond what has been...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I would like to make brief comments on the statement that was brought by the Senator for Bomet, Sen. Wakili Hillary Sigei, regarding unpaid contractors. Just to inform this House that in the morning, we had a conversation with the Chairperson...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have listened to what you just said when I was sitting; that you think these things might be empty, tabula rasa. That, maybe, I am not able to substantiate. You are casting aspersions on me, yet I am before this House....

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I wish to comment on the statements by Sen. Wambua and Sen. Kavindu on the killings we are experiencing. About two weeks ago, we lost Mr. Elijah Nyambega who was abducted and murdered by unknown assailants. He was a student at Kenyatta University from...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, thank you for the opportunity to comment on these statements. I am particularly concerned about the issue of pending bills. Currently, counties owe close to Kshs200 billion in pending bills. Upon examination, it appears that there has been no attempt to...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I rise in support of the Statement sought by the Senator for Bomet County, Sen. Wakili Hillary Sigei, on the matter concerning non-payment for services rendered to contractors in Bomet County. The matter of pending bills is becoming a...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Omtatah was doing so well, actually, up to that point. He was listing the documents that he wants to table for my analysis. This is so voluminous, I cannot determine on them now. What I want you to do, Sen. Omtatah, is table the...

June 17, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 27 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) But he said he will prepare for your question. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) He has long stories about housing--- The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) In two weeks' time, which is okay, that is how we conduct business. June...

Waziri, we have had conversations with you in the County Public Accounts Committee (CPAC) . My question is related to what Sen. Wambua has raised here. Your office is the one that originates the Disbursement Schedule which comes to this House. I think yesterday I saw a communication from the...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, the question by Sen. Hamida Kibwana is a critical one. We might miss something here because in most cases audited reports concerning the national Government are reviewed by the National Assembly. Therefore, it is difficult to peg to some specific issues...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, my question stems from financial accountability, especially for county governments in relation to exchequer releases by the National Treasury. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, in his own words, the Cabinet Secretary said that there are delays in terms of releases to county governments. In fact, if I...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I have managed to quickly peruse through the long response and I have not seen much about other plans that successful governments have come up with and their effects on Vision 2030. For example, during President Uhuru Kenyatta’s time, there was the “Big Five”...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Hamida Kibwana, do you have any supplementary question?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Okay, let him answer that one first. Hon. Cabinet Secretary, proceed. The Cabinet Secretary for the National Treasury and Economic Planning (Hon. John Mbadi) : Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. It is a long response, but I will try to move through it quickly...

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) If you go that route, we might not be able to understand one another. So, maybe you answer the questions the way they are asked and then stop at that. The Cabinet Secretary for the National Treasury and Economic Planning (Hon. John Mbadi) : Mr....

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I have a very short and brief question to the Cabinet Secretary. On the issue of e-GP, it is true that counties are getting some difficulties while using this system, particularly in the remote counties where most of the...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, the question by Sen. Hamida Kibwana is a critical one. We might miss something here because in most cases audited reports concerning the national Government are reviewed by the National Assembly. Therefore, it is difficult to peg to some specific issues that I wanted to follow...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Just a minute, Speaker. I do not remember the hiving off of Nairobi National Park being part of Vision 2030 for these projects. So, when he speaks about it, he should give us details. So, I am happy he has said that he will answer...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to ask the Cabinet Secretary for National Treasury and Economic Planning the following Question.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)you use that information now is subjective. It does not have to be standard. Those who support the government will use it differently. Those who oppose the government, like Sen. Sifuna, will also use it. That is the value of democracy and that is what I...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Unless there is any other Member with a supplementary question. The response is in our gadgets, you can access it and then if there is any Member with a supplementary question, then you can ask. Sen. Sifuna, you may proceed.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, you know this government likes long stories, but the devil is in the details. Hon. Cabinet Secretary, you have mentioned your project of the Bomas International Convention Complex (BICC) . I am sure he has heard the concerns of Kenyans and environmentalists in particular about the hiving...

No, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I am satisfied with the response. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)The Cabinet Secretary for the National Treasury and Economic Planning (Hon. John Mbadi): Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, on financial accountability, Sen. Wambua has talked about exchequer releases coming late thus causing audit queries. Indeed, it...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Are they related according to you?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Osotsi, you may proceed. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I have managed to quickly peruse through the long response and I have not seen much about other plans that successful governments have come up with and their effects...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) , to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Agriculture, Livestock and Fisheries on a matter of countywide concern regarding the unlawful appointment and prolonged tenure of the resident director,...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)NOES: Nil. ABSTENTIONS: Nil The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Honourable Senators these are results of the division- The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Let us go to the next Division. We are now voting on the County Allocation of Revenue Bills, (Senate Bills No. 10 of 2026)...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a statement from the Standing Committee on Agriculture, Livestock and Fisheries on a matter of national concern regarding the shortage of top-dressing fertiliser particularly Calcium Ammonium Nitrate (CAN) at the National Cereals and Produce Board (NCPB)...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Wakoli, the Senate Majority Whip, please, proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed, Sen. Olekina Ledama.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Murango.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Enock Wambua, you have the Floor.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Very well. Sen. Joe Nyutu, proceed.