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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Eddy Oketch, there is something new to disclose? Which county is this?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Yes, Sen. Boni Khalwale. Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale: Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am sorry to interrupt the Majority Leader. However, I would like to request the Senator for Kericho to consider withdrawing the unparliamentary remark that the people on social media are useless people. We...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Senate Majority Leader, Sen. Aaron Cheruiyot, you have the Floor.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. (Dr.) Boni Khalwale, you have the Floor.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Osotsi Godfrey Atieno, you have the Floor.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Fair enough. Let us go back to the Motion. Proceed, Sen. Kisang William. (Resumption of debate on the Motion)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, I have this Communication to make. (Interruption of debate on the Motion) COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR VISITING DELEGATIONS FROM STAREHE BOYS CENTRE AND SCHOOL AND ALLIANCE HIGH SCHOOL The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, I would like to acknowledge the presence, in...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed, Sen. Mwinyihaji Mohamed Faki.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed.

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) The Report that were are debating is circulated in our WhatsApp group. The Senate business is there. It has been shared. Thank you.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Can you confirm whether, Sen. Eddy, has removed your card somehow? Sen. Sifuna: My unit is not working.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) No, Sen. Eddy, I can see you on the screen.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) You appeared on my list this morning. What has happened?

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Clerk, let us go to the next Order. QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS STATEMENTS The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) We have two Statements under Standing Order No.53 (1) . The first one is from Sen. Sigei Hillary. The Senator is not present? That Statement is dropped. UTILISATION...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, we have a Supplementary Order Paper, please switch to it. It is on your gadgets. Next is Chairperson, Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation. REPORT ON ENVIRONMENTAL MANAGEMENT AND COORDINATION (STRATEGIC AND INTEGRATED ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENTS AND ENVIRONMENTAL AUDITS) (NO.2) REGULATIONS, 2025, LEGAL NOTICE NO.71...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) The Chairperson Standing Committee on Trade, Industrialisation and Investments, proceed. REPORT ON CONSIDERATION OF THE COOPERATIVES BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO. 7 OF 2024)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Clerk, let us go to the next Order. The Chairperson Standing Committee on Delegated Legislation, give the notice of Motion. August 6, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 6 NOTICE OF MOTION ADOPTION OF REPORT ON ENVIRONMENTAL MANAGEMENT AND COORDINATION (STRATEGIC AND INTEGRATED ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENTS AND ENVIRONMENTAL AUDITS)...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, now I open the Floor for debate. Proceed, Sen. Cherarkey Samson.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Clerk, do we have quorum? (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted with the Deputy Speaker) Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) I have confirmed that we now have quorum. Serjeant-at-Arms, you can stop the Bell. Clerk, read out the first...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sorry, Sen. (Prof.) Kamar, the Questions I have are totally different from what you are reading. Have you sneaked a different Order Paper to this House? You know professors can do anything. (Laughter)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I know.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Order, Senators. The professor is quite in order. Professor, go ahead and read what you have been given. Professor can never be wrong in whatever she is reading.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Prof. Margaret. Cabinet Secretary for Co-operatives and Micro, Small and Medium Enterprises (MSMEs) Development, I hope the answers you have are for the question read the second time and not from the draft. So, if you have the right answers, proceed to respond....

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed, Waziri. The Cabinet Secretary for Co-operatives and Micro, Small and Medium Enterprises (MSMEs) Development (Hon. Wycliffe Oparanya) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, there is a window of appeal of 30 days to the Cabinet Secretary. Unfortunately, there was no appeal when the liquidator was...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed, Sen. Mandago Jackson. You must be privy to what has been happening. Let us get your supplementary question.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Let the Cabinet Secretary first respond to your questions since they are substantive. I do not want to take more questions. The Cabinet Secretary for Co-operatives and Micro, Small and Medium Enterprises (MSMEs) Development (Hon. Wycliffe Oparanya) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I know Sen....

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, some of the questions you might ask might not get a direct response. If you look at the Standing Orders, you are supposed to ask a supplementary question that is related to the principal question that was asked to the Ministry. I am...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Just a minute, Cabinet Secretary. Sen. Catherine Mumma, proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) At least, yours is related to the subject matter. Congratulations. August 6, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 9 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)Hon. Cabinet Secretary, you can now respond to the three. The Cabinet Secretary for Co-operatives and Micro, Small and Medium Enterprises (MSMEs) Development (Hon. Wycliffe...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Enock Wambua, you cannot preempt the report that will be brought to this House by the Cabinet Secretary. You wait for the report and then you can criticise it. Sen. Mungatana Danson, you may proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Munyi Mundigi, you have the Floor.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Lastly but not least, Sen. Chute, you may proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Cabinet Secretary, you can answer those questions. I think that is the last set of questions from the Members this morning. The Cabinet Secretary for Co-operatives and Micro, Small and Medium Enterprises (MSMEs) Development: (Hon. Wycliffe Oparanya) : On the question from Sen. Mungatana,...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Co-operatives and Micro, Small and Medium Enterprises Development (Hon. Wycliffe Oparanya) : Mheshimiwa, Rais alitangaza ya kwamba mkulima atapata Shilingi 50. Jambo hilo lilifanyika karibu mwaka mmoja na nusu uliopita. Nataka nikuhakikishie ya kwamba nitashughulikia jambo hili ili...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Why are you being distracted by---

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)You are falling prey.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Serjeant-at-Arms, you can make access to this other side of the House. (Question proposed) I can see some Members want to speak to this Motion. Sen. Methu, is that the mood of the House?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Yes. Let us first confirm that we have quorum, in two minutes. However, the Mover can reply.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Methu, you have done a commendable job. You are working on behalf of Sen. (Dr.) Boni Khalwale. I think you should get that promotion.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I will put the question. (Question put and agreed to) Next Order. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON THE INSPECTION TOUR OF HEALTH FACILITIES IN WEST POKOT, TRANS NZOIA AND TURKANA COUNTIES

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Clerk, confirm whether we have quorum. (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted with the Deputy Speaker) Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Clerk, if we have quorum, let us proceed. Hon. Senators, I have a Communication to make. (Several Senators...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I do not know the content of what you want to be played. So, I request the Secretariat to take possession, you table it and then I will go and review that evidence.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Order, Sen. Cherarkey. You know you have no capacity to direct me on the ruling I should make. Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, I have said you table the evidence that you have. I told you there are two things. Table the evidence to substantiate your statement....

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, this is not a simple matter.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) So, allow me to sleep over this evidence, review it and then give a Communication tomorrow on whether it meets the threshold or not. That has been the procedure. An hon. Member: On a point of order. (Loud consultations) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) This is not a matter of debate. It is a matter between the Chair and the affected Senator. I will give guidance after reviewing that evidence. It is so ruled. An hon. Member: On a point of clarification, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. The Deputy Speaker...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Kisang’, what did you say?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Next is Sen. Wakili Sigei.

Sen. Kathuri):(Interruption of debate on Bill) Thank you, Sen. Kajwang. You have announced so many textbooks and storybooks to be read. Maybe you do me some favour and write them down because I could not even get what you mentioned. So, you give me the list and where I can...

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you. Next is Sen. M. Kajwang’.

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you. Next is Sen. William Kisang.

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They are looking for--- The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed, Sen. Olekina.

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, having failed to attain the quorum at the expiry of the 10 minutes, the Senate stands adjourned pursuant to Standing Order No.41 (2) (b) until Tuesday, 29th July, 2025, at 2.30 p.m. The Senate rose at 5.21 p.m. PROGRESS REPORTED THE CREATIVE ECONOMY...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, pursuant to Standing Order No.41 (2) (b) , there was no quorum at the Committee of the Whole. Therefore, we did not make progress on the Creative Economy Support Bill (Senate Bills No.30 of 2024) . ADJOURNMENT The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, having failed...

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Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, under Standing Order No.105, is the Senator of Nandi County in order to pretend that he is the spokesperson of the Government and a Minister? Can he be asked to withdraw remarks aimed at imply that he can inform the Chief Whip of the Government, when...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I stand guided, but I am so stuttered because there is so much confusion. We do not know which is the Majority side and which is the Minority side. The people on the Minority side are in the Government while the people in Majority side, do...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Hezena, please, proceed.

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Hold my time on my contribution. This is their time because they are the ones who have interjected me and that is why I want to answer them. If they had never asked, then I would be contributing. Mr. Deputy Speaker,...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Hold my time on my contribution. This is their time because they are the ones who have interjected me and that is why I want to answer them. If they had never asked, then I would be contributing. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am being asked...

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Sen. Kathuri Mr. Speaker, Sir, you know it is the tradition of the House; when you read such a Communication, Senators should applaud that delegation. I was communicating to my brother here that Senators are not learning how the House behaves or--- Some of them are very senior Members here....

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)Proceed, Sen. Boni. July 24, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 18 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed, Sen. Boni. APPROVAL OF SITTINGS OF THE SENATE TO BE HELD IN BUSIA COUNTY

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)have given us extremely tough issues that we want to witness, but the social aspect, we are scared. Not us, but Sen. Karungo is lost. Sorry, I have also included myself there. July 24, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 24 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) have given us...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I agree this is a Procedural Motion. It has always been my argument as a ranking Member of this House that we should do more oversight visits. In the Senate CPAC, we have tried to visit. I am happy that this time we are...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I request Sen. Oketch to second.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)(Loud consultations) THE SOCIAL PROTECTION BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO.12 OF 2025)

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, can I be heard in silence? Please protect me. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to give Notice of the following Motion- THAT, AWARE that, Article 96 of the Constitution provides that the Senate represents the counties, and serves to protect...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on National Security, Defence and Foreign Relations on a matter of national concern regarding the deaths of Master Thomas Gachwara and Ms. Julia Njoki during and...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)Kirinyaga. Wakazi wa Kijiji cha Gachai wamelalamika kuwa maafisa hao walivamia nyumba kadhaa usiku wa Julai 11 mwaka wa 2025 na kupiga raia wasio na hatia na hata kuwalazimu wanawake kuvua nguo zao.Wakazi wa maeneo ya Ngurabani na Kutus pia wameshuhudia ukatili, kukamatwa kiholela na vitisho...

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Mover, Senate Majority Leader, please, proceed.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir I second. (Question proposed) July 23, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 49

Mr. Deputy Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of the Whole has considered the Social Protection Bill (National Assembly Bills No.12 of 2025) and its approval thereof without amendments. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, the results of the Division are as follows-

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee on the said report and request Sen. Oketch Gicheru to second.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, the results of the Division are as follows- THE CONFLICT OF INTERESTS BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO.12 OF 2023) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, we are now reporting on The Conflict of Interests Bill (National Assembly Bills No.12 of 2023) ....

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Bw. Naibu Spika, nina Taarifa tatu ambazo ningependa kusoma mtawalia. ADOPTION OF MEDIATION COMMITTEE REPORT ON THE GAMBLING CONTROL BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO.70 OF 2023) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I want to put the question. (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted with the Deputy Speaker) Hon....

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a matter of county-wide concern regarding the status of critical medical equipment at Baragoi Sub-County Hospital in Samburu County.Baragoi Sub-County Hospital serves a vast population in the northern part of Samburu County in the northern constituency, including remote and under-served communities. The hospital continues to face major challenges in the...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Olekina has just walked in. Does he even know what you are asking him to second? Sen. Olekina is lost.

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Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Finance and Budget on a matter of county-wide concern regarding the utilization of climate financing and development grants by Wajir County in the energy, environment and natural...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Health on July 23, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 58

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on National Security, Defence and Foreign Relations on a matter of national concern regarding the deaths of Master Thomas Gachwara and Ms. Julia Njoki during and after the saba saba demonstrations...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I thank Sen. (Dr.) Murango of Kirinyaga County for bringing the Statement on Lang'ata Women's Prison. The issue of Lang’ata Women Prison has been swept under the rug for some time. The conditions in Lang'ata Womens’ Prison are not...

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, this is different from the others. This Bill is not going to the Third Reading and so, I want to communicate on its way forward. Hon. Senators, having considered the Presidents Memoranda on the Conflict of Interest Bill (National Assembly Bill No.12 of...

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Nairobi. Vilevile, kituo cha afya cha daraja la tatu kilicho ndani ya gereza hilo kinakabiliwa na uhaba wa dawa na wahudumu, hali inayotishia afya ya wafungwa, watoto na maafisa.Licha ya kuchimbwa kwa kisima na Mamlaka ya Tana and Athi Rivers Development Authority (TARDA), kisima hicho hakifaidi jamii ya gereza hilo...

Bw. Naibu Spika, nasimama kwa mujibu wa Kanuni ya Kudumu Nambari 53 (1) ya Kanuni za Kudumu za Seneti kuomba Kauli kuhusu suala la kitaifa kutoka kwa Kamati ya Leba na Ustawi wa Jamii kuhusu hali mbaya ya Gereza la Wanawake la Langata na changamoto zinazokumba maafisa wa magereza katika...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, that sums up the comments. In order to conclude on the business of the House, I will re-arrange the Order Paper and call out Order No.20. Clerk, call out Order No.20. HALI YA GEREZA LA WANAWAKE LA LANGATA NA MASLAHI YA MAAFISA WA...

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)In some instances, you will find that the project has been initiated by even the former President, President Uhuru Kenyatta. If you go there today, placards are there and nothing is happening.Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, the Government should recognize people like Omusundi. This man is bringing...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I thank you for this opportunity to support this report. Just last week, I was amongst the delegation at the Pre-Devolution Conference in Homa Bay County as was hosted by the Governor of Homa Bay and the July 10, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 43

I am not challenging, unless the Senate probably does not want us to mention the names of those people who work for Kenyans. Nevertheless, let me give my contribution. The issue of public and state officers branding public projects with their names and portraits is equally corrupt. This is because...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity. I also support this report from the Standing Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations concerning a Petition on the branding of public projects with images of governors and Members of County Assemblies (MCAs) and...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, for the opportunity. However, before I give my contribution, I do not know which Standing Order prohibits this Senate July 10, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 40

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)Simba alimwuuliza, “mbona hukuleta akili? Bweha alimwuuliza, “wewe mfalme, unaona huyu punda alikuwa na akili yoyote. Angekuwa na akili, angerudi mara mbili baada ya kukatwa mkia na masikio?”Kuna mambo ambayo watu wanaambiwa na wengi wanapiga makofi katika kaunti zetu kwa sababu wanaona kana kwamba kazi imefanyika,...

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) You want to challenge my guidance? It has been said many times. This is not the first time.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. What is Sen. Sifuna talking about? Which improper motive?

To leaders Senators in this House. You have heard it. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Mutinda, what do you want to say?

She is imputing improper motives. July 10, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 35 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) To who?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)to use that facility. People of that village are now requesting to use this building, give it to the county government so that it can make a hospital out of it because we have issues with women delivering. However, because Catherine did not like what Asige...

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. What is Sen. Sifuna talking about? Which improper motive?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) To leaders Senators in this House. You have heard it.

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I know you cannot see. That is why in my wisdom I have courteously reminded you. As I proceed, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, allow me to appreciate Members of the Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations for the great work done. I can see that after 30 days after adoption,...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Very well informed. I never thought that my good colleague, Sen. (Dr.) Murango, would walk out. I was just curious. I have one of the most unique hairstyles. I, therefore, thought he would be looking up, but got astonished that he was looking down there....

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Sen. Tabitha Mutinda. I want to inform her because I have heard her speak on this particular topic and I wanted to say the same thing to Sen. Wambua, but I did not get the opportunity. It is on the topic that they...

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, you must be fair to both sides of the House.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) No! You never interjected to stop him. He is the one who brought up that matter.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I would like to inform Sen. Wambua because he was not in the House. The person who started the discussion about shoot to kill orders was the Senator for Nandi during debate. In the rules of fairness, we also have to...

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Mr. Deputy Speaker, can I finish?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)petitions. These petitions cover areas where we say that we do not want to continues seeing governors, MPs and MCAs emblazoning their names on public resources utilized to develop certain infrastructure in our places.Secondly, I appreciate the Committee that dealt with this issue especially on the...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Sifuna, you are now contravening Standing Order No.121.

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, can I finish?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I rise again under Standing Order No.101 on Contents of Speech. This obsession by Sen. Sifuna of President William Ruto must stop. If he wants to discuss the President, he should bring a substantive Motion, then we can handle it at that point. Mr. Deputy...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Cherarkey, just conclude. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) For whatever is worth, I leave it there. That is what I was concluding. I was saying, for example, in Nandi, how do you have a Government vehicle on car hire services for Kshs42 million? It...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, we have no quorum in the House. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) You are standing under which---

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, the HANSARD can bear me witness. I said in the last session when I was the Chairperson of the Committee on Justice, Legal Affairs and Human Rights, one of the success stories that was tabled, which is in this House, was a...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) There is a point of order from Sen. Hezena. What is your point of order?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Confirm if we now have quorum. (Laughter) PROGRESS REPORTED THE CONFLICT-OF-INTEREST BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO.12 OF 2023) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, we are reporting progress on the Conflict-of-Interest Bill (National Assembly Bills No.12 of 2023) . Chairperson?

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I second. (Question proposed) (Question put and agreed on) ADOPTION OF REPORT ON BRANDING PUBLIC PROJECTS/COUNTY VEHICLES WITH IMAGES OF GOVERNORS AND MCAS July 10, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 16

I thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said Report. I request Sen. Oketch Gicheru to second.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to report that the Committee of the Whole has considered the President's Memoranda on the Conflict-of- Interest Bill (National Assembly Bills No.12 of 2023) and seeks leave to sit again tomorrow. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)represent can allow me because in this House, we...

Sen. Kathuri Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise to speak to the transition between the Chairperson, Sen. Abass and the Seconder of the Motion. I do not know how he got the Floor. I did not hear the chair say--- Mr. Speaker, Sir, you did not authorise. He just got the...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Clerk, confirm whether we have quorum. (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted with the Speaker) Serjeant-at-Arms, ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Ring the Quorum Bell again for 10 more minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) ADJOURNMENT The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)...

Sen. Kathuri On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. July 8, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 48

Sen. Kathuri Hon. Speaker, please protect me. There are loud consultations. I support this Motion from the onset. As much as Isiolo residents deserve justice, the MCAs and the governor also deserve justice. I am an authority as far as county assembly matters are concerned. I have sat in a...

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Next is Sen. Seki.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Senator. Since there is no other Senator wishing to contribute, I call upon the Mover to reply.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Committee Chairman, I agree with you that we defer the putting of the question until the next Sitting. June 27, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 27 THE EQUALIZATION FUND APPROPRIATION BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.7 OF 2025) THE COUNTY GOVERNMENTS ADDITIONAL ALLOCATIONS (NO.2) BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.8 OF...

Sen. Kathuri Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am deeply saddened by Albert’s death. I am sure all of sure will be talking about Albert’s soul resting in peace. Is his soul going to rest in peace after all what happened? Did he deserve what happened to him? Freedom of expression must...

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