Murungi Kathuri

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I want to quickly comment on the statement by the Senator for Migori County. He has actually four statements on the matter of mineral mining. Sen. Eddy’s statements are quite heavy and very important because they are actually addressing very fundamental questions in the...

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed. (Resumption of debate on the Motion)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Next time I will give you that privilege.

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Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise to second the Motion as amended. We want to thank the Committee on Finance and Budget for its wisdom. I remember that I was in the National Assembly with you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, during debate on the Third Basis and it was not easy...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move- THAT the Motion be amended by deleting the words- “County Allocation = (Baseline Allocation Ratio*Ksh.387.425 billion) + (Kshs2 billion shared equally among the identified counties) + { [(0.45*Population Index) + (0.35*Equal Share Index) + (0.12*Poverty Index) + (0.08*Geographical Size Index)] *Additional County...

Thank you, Deputy Speaker, Sir. I want to quickly comment on the area geophysical survey of Kenya mineral resources statement by Sen. Eddy Oketch. There was a conference that was held in Kenya on the 26th and 27th of November 2024, after the aerial geophysical survey was done and which...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Last but not the least, Sen. Osotsi.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) We are concluding on the comments in the next five minutes. Sen. Mungatana Danson.

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Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I support the statement by Sen. Seki on the shortage of vaccines. At Independence, there were three major things that the founding fathers promised to sort, which were disease, ignorance and hunger. It is a pity that after over 60 years of Independence, we...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I agree with you. You know where Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale comes from, food is very important. They talk about food all the time. It is so sad that the New KCC and the SACCO in Meru decided to drastically reduce the amount of milk they are...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I support the statement by Sen. Seki on the shortage of vaccines. At Independence, there were three major things that the founding fathers promised to sort, which were disease, ignorance and hunger. It is a pity that after over...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) The ratio is two to one, almost going to three to one, and also I cannot see you on my screen. There is no Standing Order which describes what the Chair should do when you are giving Members a chance to contribute. Maybe the technicians...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Nderitu John Kinyua, you may proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senator, you should train your eyes on the lights, so that you do not overrun the highway. Sen. Wambua Enock, you may proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Joe Nyutu, you have the Floor.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. (Dr.) Boni Khalwale, you may proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Munyi Mundigi, ameuliza eti mlima ni wapi. Ni mlima upi huu unaita ‘mlima?’

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Aeleze pia mlima ni wapi. Two minutes, Sen. Munyi Mundigi.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) What is your point of order, Sen. Korir? , Samahani, Sen. Munyi Mundigi. Naomba tuweze kupata hoja ya nidhamu.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) The record did not capture what he said. The Chairperson is here and he cannot talk on behalf of the Chair of the Committee on Finance and Budget. Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, next time, I will give that responsibility to your deputy, Sen. (Dr.) Lelegwe. I...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Let us now go to the Statement pursuant to Standing Order No.57 (1) by the Senate Majority Leader. BUSINESS FOR THE WEEK COMMENCING TUESDAY, 10TH JUNE, 2025

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Yes, proceed. FORMATION OF MINING POLICE UNIT TO HELP CURB ILLEGAL MINING, SMUGGLING AND MONEY LAUNDERING

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Next is Sen. Eddy Oketch.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Very well. Next Order. QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS STATEMENTS The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) We have Statements under Standing Order No. 53 (1) . Sen. Kavindu, proceed. STATE OF STADIUM FACILITIES IN MACHAKOS COUNTY

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Since it is your former school, take two minutes.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Before we move on to the next Order, let me make this Communication. Hon. Senators, I would like to acknowledge the presence in the Public Gallery this afternoon, of visiting teachers and students from Ruthagati High School in Nyeri County. The delegation comprises 75 students...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Next Order. NOTICE OF MOTION ADOPTION OF REPORT ON PETITION ON INCOMPLETE INVESTIGATIONS AND FAILURE TO ARREST AND PROSECUTE SUSPECTS OF THE ABDUCTION AND DISAPPEARANCE OF MR. JOSHUA GICHUKI MWANGI The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. (Dr.) Lelengwe, give Notice of that Motion.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) The Chairperson, Standing Committee on Justice, Legal Affairs and Human Rights (JLAHRC) or a member of the Committee. Deputy Majority Whip, kindly read the Paper.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Do we have quorum? (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted the Deputy Speaker) Serjeant-at-Arms, ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Order, hon. Senators. We now have quorum. Let us start our business. Clerk, kindly read out the...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, in my earlier communication, I had allocated 20 minutes for the Statements Hour. However, I have realised that the system for the Senators seated on the left side was not working. I will give just two Senators from this side; Sen. Osotsi Godfrey...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Thang’wa Paul Karungo.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Mariam Sheikh Omar.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Mohamed Faki, what is your point of order?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) You are saying point of order or information?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Unfortunately, my ears did not capture that word “Wamunyoro”, but Sen. Chute can clarify what he said. I did not hear that.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) What is your point of order, Sen. Abass?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Chute, please proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) How then did I see that you are queuing?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Oketch Gicheru, please proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I am unable to see Members properly.

The Deputy Speaker (Hon. Kathuri) Proceed, Sen. Kisang William.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Next Order. QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS STATEMENTS STATUS OF INSURANCE COVERAGE FOR HOSPITAL ASSETS COUNTRYWIDE

The Deputy Speaker (Hon. Kathuri) Proceed, Sen. Hamida Kibwana. PUBLIC HEALTH THREAT POSED BY ANTI-MICROBIAL RESISTANCE (AMR)

The Deputy Speaker (Hon. Kathuri) I will allow brief comments for 15 minutes before we proceed to statements under Standing Oder No.58. Proceed, Sen. Maureen Tabitha.

The Deputy Speaker (Hon. Kathuri) Hon. Senator, as I said, we should do brief comments in under three minutes. Proceed, Sen. Oburu Odinga.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Kinyua is part of the cartel that stopped the progress of this session. So, ignore him.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) What is your point of order? June 4, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 25

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Indeed, I have confirmed that we are short of six Senators in the Chamber. Therefore, I request the Serjeant-at-Arms to ring the Querom Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) [The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) left the Chair] [The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Abdul...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Chute, what is your point of order?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Now, I invite the Senators to make their contributions. We will start with Sen. Wambua Enoch.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Peris Tobiko.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, I have been approached by the Chairperson, Standing Committee on Finance and Budget, that there are some issues to be sorted out pertaining the Order No.8. Therefore, Order No.8 is deferred. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON THE FOURTH BASIS FOR ALLOCATING SHARE OF NATIONAL...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, I understand the interest in this matter, but we have to conclude with the Chairperson of Kenya Women Senators Association (KEWOSA) , Sen. Hamida Kibwana. Are you the former chairperson or the current chairperson? Can you confirm?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Roba Ali Ibrahim, please proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) As we conclude, let us hear from Sen. Hezena Lemaletian.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Wambua, please, proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hebu tusikie huyu mzee wa Kericho County anasema nini. Sen. Cheruiyot Aaron, please, proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Dullo, do not be encouraged by the Senate Majority Leader to disobey the Chair. I will allow two Senators to contribute.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Dullo!

The Deputy Speaker (Hon. Kathuri) Proceed, Sen. Mungatana Danson.

The Deputy Speaker (Hon. Kathuri) Proceed, Sen. Beatrice Akinyi.

The Deputy Speaker (Hon. Kathuri) Proceed, Sen. Murango James.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Just a minute. Sen. M. Kajwang’ and your team, kindly allow Sen. Dullo to read her statement in silence.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Dullo, please just read the statement, which has been approved because there is a reason for this.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Fatuma Dullo, you have a Personal Statement under Standing Order No.58. June 4, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 12 PERSONAL STATEMENT DISPARAGING REMARKS BY HON. ABDI IBRAHIM HASSAN, GOVERNOR OF ISIOLO COUNTY

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Last but not the least, we have Sen. Seki Lenku.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Next is Sen. Hamida Kibwana.

Sen. Kathuri Thank you, Hon. Speaker. The last time the Cabinet Secretary was in this House, I raised a question concerning former councilors. You can see that the issue about Pension, gratuity and honorarium is really recurring. So, you tasked three Committees of this House; that is, the Committee on...

Sen. Kathuri Hon. Speaker, I am very much aware that we are constrained by time, but some Members are asking questions not related to the subject matter. Some of us come from areas that grow the best tea in the world and I had a question to ask the CS....

This is a resumption of debate. Sen. (Dr.) Boni Khalwale, CBS MP, has a balance of 13 minutes. If you want to utilise them, well and good. If you have exhausted your points, then we can move on to any other Senator interested to contribute.

Sen. Kathuri) : Sen. Kathuri) : This is a resumption of debate. Sen. (Dr.) Boni Khalwale, CBS MP, has a balance of 13 minutes. If you want to utilise them, well and good. If you have exhausted your points, then we can move on to any other Senator interested to...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Bw. Naibu wa Spika, hakujatangazwa lakini unajua kuna Waziri alipewa kiti na ile siku Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission (IEBC) itatangaza, kutakuwa na by-election. Ninajua Kiongozi wa Wengi atakuwa kule kwa sababu ameongea maneno ya hii shule, masaa mawili yaliyopita. Naibu wa Spika (Sen. Kathuri)...

Bw. Naibu wa Spika, hakujatangazwa lakini unajua kuna Waziri alipewa kiti na ile siku Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission (IEBC) itatangaza, kutakuwa na by-election. Ninajua Kiongozi wa Wengi atakuwa kule kwa sababu ameongea maneno ya hii shule, masaa mawili yaliyopita. Naibu wa Spika (

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Asante, Bw. Naibu wa Spika kwa kunipa ruhusu nichangie na niwakaribishe watoto wa Kanyuambora Secondary School. Hii shule iko Mbeere North katika Kaunti ya Embu. Ni pahali ningetaka kusema ya kwamba, wakati wa by-election, tutakua huko. Kiongozi wa Wengi alikua amewakaribisha na ningeomba wakati wa...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Asante Bw. Naibu Spika kwa kunipa fursa hii kuchangia Taarifa ambayo imeletwa Bungeni na Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale kuhusu kucheleshwa kwa kumalizika kwa miradi kadhaa katika Kaunti ya Kakamega. Hili limekuwa donda sugu katika kaunti nyingi. Utapata Magavana wanaingia ofisini na kupuuza miradi iliyoanzishwa na magavana...

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want to comment on the Statement by Sen. Cherarkey. The person that we are talking about here is a man who lived by faith. He was a man who, if you had the opportunity to grow up in a Sunday...

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Sen. Mungatana. My condolences once again for the loss of your first wife, Mrs. Violet Wairimu Mungatana, whose mother also comes from my village. May she continue resting in peace. Sen. Joyce Chepkoech Korir, please, proceed. May 29, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 43 The...

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)School in Nandi County. The delegation comprises of seven teachers and 153 students who are in the Senate for a one-day academic exposition.Hon. Senators, in our tradition of receiving and welcoming visitors to Parliament, I extend a warm welcome to them and on behalf of the...

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sorry, just a minute, Sen. Mungatana. I wish to give a communication, but before I do, let me hear what the Senate Majority Leader wants to say in one minute, kindly.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) His time is over. He has no more airtime. You know, it is rare for the Chair to give comments when he is chairing. However, the Chair can advise. My good friend, Sen. Okong’o Omogeni, if you know the President is in your region, for...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Omogeni, can you conclude your comments? You are now on the red light.

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)December, they did not raise these issues. I want to urge my brothers from the Kisii region to also know that as a leader, the best you can do is to pitch for some of these things to happen in your region. They are allowing Baba...

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)I have gone through the report. At some stage, the negligence is attributed to the fact that lead consultants were not called in to assist the team of doctors who were trying to save that young girl. That hospital serves a big catchment area, including Nyamira...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)We also recommend that within three months after tabling of this Report, there should be an investigation by the Kenya Medical Practitioners and Dentists Council (KMPDC), leading to untimely death of Annita. They should investigate the professional conduct of the officer whose name I cannot remember....

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Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I second. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed to your seat. (Question proposed) (Question put and agreed to) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Can we hear from the Mover?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) The Mover is the Senate Majority Leader. Let him do his work.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)(Laughter)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I beg your pardon? What did you say? REPORT AND CONSIDERATION OF REPORT THE DIVISION OF REVENUE BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO.10 OF 2025)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Can we hear from the Mover? (Laughter)

Hon. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said report. I request Sen. Wambua to second.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I second.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to report that the Committee of the Whole has considered the Division of Revenue Bill (National Assembly Bills No.10 of 2025) and its approval thereof with amendments. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Now, let the Senate Majority Leader move because you are misleading us...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for protecting me and giving me an opportunity to address the House. There is something the Senators need to know that the Speaker could be nearing the moment when he needs support and leave the Chair. That is why he has fast-tracked my request....

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Cherarkey Samson, proceed.

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)Kenya is known to supply doctors and nurses to South Sudan, the United Kingdom and the United States of America. So, to whom much is given much, much is expected.This Report should be studied by the Kenya Medical Practitioners and Dentists Council, the Kenya Medical Association...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I second. (Question proposed) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) You can now open the doors and bars drawn. (The Bars were drawn and doors opened) (Loud consultations) THIRD READING THE DIVISION OF REVENUE BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO.10 OF 2025) DIVISION ELECTRONIC VOTING ABSTENTIONS:...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that the Division of Revenue Bill (National Assembly Bills No.10 of 2025) be now read a Third time. I request Sen. Githuku to second.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Cherarkey Samson, proceed. (Loud consultations) COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE THE EARLY CHILDHOOD EDUCATION (AMENDMENT) BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.54 OF 2023) COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE THE LOCAL CONTENT BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.50 OF 2023) COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE THE STREET VENDORS (PROTECTION OF LIVELIHOOD) BILL...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)though we are debating this, and yes, it is our job to stand as legislators to represent and oversight matters of the sort, it does not take away from the results that we are staring at, which is that a young girl has gone because of...

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for reminding me. I follow their Annual General Meetings (AGMs) . The kind of volumes they talk about and the economy that they move in that particular part of the country is worth emulating. I know we still have...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Give me a second, I want to retrieve my notes. I beg to move that The Cooperatives Bill (National Assembly Bills No.7 of 2024) be now read a Second Time. This is a very important Bill. The cooperative movement is the heart and soul...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)The reason for this is the thinking which we support in this bursary issue is because we want to see every child have an equal opportunity to bursaries. The best way is just to use those monies to make education free. Since we cannot make something...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, it is both an honour and privilege, that I am seconding this important Bill because had it not been for the cooperative effort, I would never have owned a home. I am not a ‘dynasty’ like you, from a miraa selling family. Indeed, cooperatives mean many...

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Sen. Kathuri): Sen. Kathuri):

Sen. Kathuri): Sen. Kathuri):wanaitwa briefcase, mabegi ya wanakandarasi wanaonyonya na kufyonza jasho za watu wa kaunti. Ni lazima tuwaandame hao pia ili ugatuzi uweze kuafiki malengo ya waasisi wa ugatuzi.Asante, Bw. Naibu wa Spika. Naibu wa Spika (Sen. Kathuri): Salama. Seneta Beatrice Akinyi.

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Cherarkey, can you relate what you are now discussing with the Division of Revenue Bill? Can you relate the two because you are digressing? May 21, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 27

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed, Sen. Eddy.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Do you want to be informed?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) There is a point of information from Sen. Eddy Oketch.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed Sen Eddy Oketch.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Olekina, your neighbour, Sen. Eddy Oketch wants to inform you.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Next is Sen. Olekina.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) It is referred to as the council of elders. May 21, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 29

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Actually, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, your point of order is on Standing Order No.122 (1) (b) , which states that a Senator commits an act of gross disorderly conduct if the Senator declines to retract use of un-parliamentary language or declines to offer apologies, despite having...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed, Sen. Cherarkey.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) It is like you are debating. What is your point of order? Please, be specific.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, what is out of order?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Cherarkey, you have finished. Please, resume your seat. Sen. Boni, you have the Floor.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) It is goods, services and labour.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Give him one minute.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Cherarkey has heard you. Let him respond.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Just a minute. Sen. Oketch, what is your point of order?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Cherarkey, you are well informed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) That was the last question. Madam CS, you can answer the three questions. May 21, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 21 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)The Cabinet Secretary for Gender, Culture, the Arts and Heritage (Hon. Cheptumo): Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I will take the...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Next is Sen. Mumma.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Madam CS, just record the four questions. Next to ask the question is Sen. Veronica Maina.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) It is out of order to ask your lecturer and teacher, a Professor of law, to apologize to you.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) No, let me first clear this. Hon. Cabinet Secretary, as you summarize your presentation, if there is anything you feel you want to insist on, you can do it. (Sen. Veronica Maina spoke off record) Sen. Veronica, who is now leading the communication in this...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Order, Sen. Cherarkey. Just a minute, Sen. Cherarkey. I do not accept this behaviour of exchanging between the aisles. While presiding in this House, I will not accept those exchanges. You should wait for the Senator for Kisumu and then you can also make your...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Madam Cabinet Secretary, just a minute. I have been approached by the owner of this Question, Prof. Tom Ojienda. He has received the response and has gone through it. It is lengthy and he feels satisfied. I would like us to save time because the...

Sen. Kathuri Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I also want to encourage the Cabinet Secretary. Her performance is actually at 80 per cent since this is her maiden appearance in the Senate. (Applause) May 21, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 9 Sen. Kathurifunds out there, there is the Women Enterprise Fund, Youth...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, what is out of order is, first of all, claiming that there is no airstrip or airport in Kakamega. Secondly, throwing aspersions on me that I was heckling him when I was quietly listening to him. He has kept me in this House listening to him...

It is on statement of fact and then Standing Order No.101 on mischaracterizing a Member like him. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, Sen. Boni has said that all the people from western, particularly Kakamega and Malinya, where he comes from, must catch their flights in Kisumu or Eldoret. As far as...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, what is out of order is, first of all, claiming that there is no airstrip or airport in Kakamega. Secondly, throwing aspersions on me that I was heckling him when I was quietly listening to him. He has kept me in...

not corrected, then it means the counties are not getting equity as required by the Constitution.Equity is the word. There is no way you can raise Kshs2.7 billion, adjusted to inflation and then you give the national Government 85 per cent of that money because there is augmented reasoning around...

This is an issue where the Senate must stamp its feet and insist on the calculus we developed. We had proposed that counties receive Kshs465 billion in this financial year, regardless of the fiscal stress faced by the national Government. (Applause) May 20, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 44

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arising from national Government policies that impose financial burdens on counties without the necessary financial backing. For instance, when a policy such as housing levy deductions is implemented at the national level, county employees are also subjected to the same deductions yet, counties had not accounted for this in their...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Before I support this Motion, allow me to acknowledge the advice you have given me, that I partake of this. While you are saying it, a youth has sent me a message, quickly, real time, we are being followed, that I ask you, if...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, on Standing Order No.105, Sen. Boni has thrown a spanner at me.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) It is on statement of fact and then Standing Order No.101 on mischaracterizing a Member like him. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, Sen. Boni has said that all the people from western, particularly Kakamega and Malinya, where he comes from, must catch their flights in Kisumu...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, he should not mischaracterize me. I am not a heckler and I am not heckling him. I am just listening keenly and I wish he would say that we improve the airstrip in Kakamega. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker, for giving...

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I request that we defer putting of the question to a later date. (Loud consultations)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I have been advised that we have no quorum. I request the Serjeant-at-Arms to ring the quorum Bell for five minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) (Several Senators stood in their places) Hon. Senators, can we now resume our seats? The lobbying is over. I...

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Bw. Naibu Spika, muguka unaweza kutengeneza juice, wine hata dawa ya kufufua mwili iwapo mtu amedungwa sindano akawa hali mahututi. Kinachofaa ni pesa za kufanya utafiti zitolewe. Ninaunga mkono pesa nyingi zitolewe na Serikali iangalie utafiti wa mimea mingi sio muguka pekee. The Deputy Speaker...

Bw. Naibu Spika, muguka unaweza kutengeneza juice, wine hata dawa ya kufufua mwili iwapo mtu amedungwa sindano akawa hali mahututi. Kinachofaa ni pesa za kufanya utafiti zitolewe. Ninaunga mkono pesa nyingi zitolewe na Serikali iangalie utafiti wa mimea mingi sio muguka pekee. The Deputy Speaker (

Sen. Kathuri) : Sen. Kathuri) : Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Before I support this Motion, allow me to acknowledge the advice you have given me, that I partake of this. While you are saying it, a youth has sent me a message, quickly, real time, we are being...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) If next time I am found with Sen. Karen in Nairobi, please make sure that you explain to the husband, Mr. Samido, that it was with your permission. Otherwise, I will not go out with her. I rise to support this Bill. It is a...

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, kindly note that we are just making comments on the statements. Every Senator will have three minutes to do so. Next is Sen. Wambua.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) That is why I said that this is not a debate. You are supposed to make comments on the statements.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Give him a minute, but observe the signs.

Sen. Kathuri) : Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for giving me the opportunity--- (Sen. Cherarkey consulted loudly) The Vice-Chairperson of the Senate Committee on Health, Sen. Mariam Sheikh, do you want to give your part of the story or is what has been alleged by Sen. Enoch true?

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for giving me the opportunity--- (Sen. Cherarkey consulted loudly)

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Order, Sen. Cherarkey!

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Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. The essence of devolution is health. I visited Maraba Sub-County Hospital on Saturday. I have visited Kapsabet County Referral Hospital and Mosoriat Sub-county Hospital. I have visited Chepteruai, Chepkongoi Despensary and Kepkeroget Dispensary. All of those hospitals and dispensaries are dysfunctional. There are no...

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Finally, on the issue of energy, it is disappointing that Mandera County and northern Kenya still use generators and yet there is the KP. They took three generators, but only one is functional in Mandera. They lied to the people of Mandera and the northern Kenya. Are they not part...

I was assisting him by pushing for---

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) But you hold my time.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I believe that is not what he meant. Sen. Kisang, can you clarify that?

That is okay, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I will comment on the statement by the Committee on Finance and Budget and the Committee on Energy. I want to thank the Committee on Finance and Budget on the fourth session of the formula on shareable revenue. There are about 10 counties...

But you hold my time.

Bear with me Senator. I rise under Article 202 and 203 of the Constitution of Kenya. The distinguished Senator from Elgeyo-Marakwet proposes that this House adopt a formula where each county receives an equal allocation of between Kshs5 billion to Kshs6 billion. Is he in order, given that the letter...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) On a point of information, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)[The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) left the Chair] [The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Wakili Sigei) in the Chair] THE SPORTS (AMENDMENT) BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.33 OF 2024) ADOPTION OF REPORT ON THE FOURTH BASIS FOR ALLOCATING SHARE OF NATIONAL REVENUE AMONG COUNTIES THE SPORTS (AMENDMENT) (NO.2) BILL...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, as I continue to second this Bill on establishment of sports academies in our counties, we are struggling with restless and energetic young people who would like to explore their talents. The only way to enhance that in our counties is through establishment of sports academies....

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)On the question of the technical college in Isiolo and Garbatula, as I indicated, we have students who need to join these colleges. So, it is the Ministry's priority to ensure that these colleges that are already done are completed and students admitted to them. We...

Sen. Kathuri) :I know that there are parts of this country by advantage of proximity to power or one way or the other, they have teachers that have been absorbed, graduates up to us late as I think 2017 or 2018. However, the other parts of the country where you...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, for accommodating me because I realize that Question No.064 may not be that related to what I wanted to ask. Since the Cabinet Secretary was still speaking on this issue of TSC, I felt this would be the appropriate time. So, I want to appreciate...

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)under the Competency-Based Curriculum (CBC) and or Competency-Based Education, which now include overseeing pre-primary, primary, and junior secondary schools?Secondly, could the Cabinet Secretary also state whether workload assessment and job evaluation have been done to inform such a review? If so, could you please provide details...

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, we are in the month of May, which is the Mental Health Awareness Month. The CBC brought a lot of administrative responsibilities to the head teachers who are from a different curriculum to this new curriculum. Has the Ministry considered the...

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rare opportunity, given that the school is visiting the Senate while the Cabinet Secretary is present.With the utmost respect to our Cabinet Secretary, I urge you, once this session concludes, to engage with the school. I am confident they will present several pressing concerns affecting them, including issues such as...

Sometimes, there is no need to blow your own trumpet. Now that Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale has come to my aid, I request the Cabinet Secretary to engage with the school, as I am certain they are facing numerous challenges. This is a May 7, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 40

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, it is not all the time and every time that children come here and find when the Cabinet Secretary is here. With due respect, under Standing Order, No.1, can you request the Cabinet Secretary to go and speak to the children behind the tent? I am...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sometimes, there is no need to blow your own trumpet. Now that Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale has come to my aid, I request the Cabinet Secretary to engage with the school, as I am certain they are facing numerous challenges. This is a

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Hon. Deputy Speaker, I have been instructed to ask this Question on behalf of Sen. Maanzo, who had to leave. He was present earlier, but had to attend to an emergency court matter. Question No.071 MEASURES TO ENSURE EQUITABLE ACCESS TO FREE AND QUALITY EDUCATION FOR CHILDREN IN MARGINALIZED AND...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, it is not all the time and every time that children come here and find when the Cabinet Secretary is here. With due respect, under Standing Order, No.1, can you request the Cabinet Secretary to go and speak to the children...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, you know that Kakamega is my neighboring country and I know they love tea. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Can you substantiate what he has alleged you have said?

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Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I notice that the Senator for Nairobi City County is always keen when I am doing my submissions, and I appreciate it. I actually take it as a compliment. From their names, one can tell which region David Owuor or Kosgei, comes from. It...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Let us proceed to Statements are under Order No.53 (1) . We shall start with the Senator for Vihiga County, Sen. Godfrey Osotsi.

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Sophie Moturi, Abdullahi Mohamed Abdi, Beatrice Kosgei, and David Simpson Osawa Owuor as Members of the Board of the Central Bank of Kenya (CBK). I am proud to participate in this approval today.Many years ago, when I was younger than I am today, after resigning from the Government, I moved...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for giving me the Floor. I rise in support of the Motion before the House to approve the appointment of May 6, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 35

Asante, Mheshimiwa Naibu Spika, kwa kunipa fursa hii nichangie Taarifa ya Kamati ya Fedha na Bajeti kuhusiana na uteuzi wa wanachama wa Bodi ya Banki Kuu ya Kenya. Kwanza, ninapongeza Kamati hii pamoja na ile ya Bunge la Kitaifa kwa kumaliza zoezi hili la kuwapiga msasa wale wateule wanne wa...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)A spokesperson talks to the public. These people are employed to speak to Kenyans about what is happening to the economy, what they are doing to stabilise the Shilling and what they are doing in terms of monetary policy, and so on and so forth.Mr. Deputy...

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Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, on the part of tea, chai and mandazi, I can withdraw. From his speech, even on Standing Order 105, he has insisted that he has May 6, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 31

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)us the business that the banks doing when Kenyans cannot do business. Could they be doing money laundering?The regulator, which is Central Bank of Kenya, must also look into the microfinance on what to credit. There are a number of them that give small loans for...

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, you know that Kakamega is my neighboring country and I know they love tea.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) He is misleading the House. Can he withdraw and apologize for misleading the country that Khalwale can be compromised? No. That is my brand.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I am not giving you time just to give you statements which are not on the point or order. Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale: Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I must set the record straight on petty things that touch on integrity such as taking mandazi. I have...

Sen. Kathuri) : There is a point of order from Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale. It is a very weighty matter, appointing members of the Board to oversee how our economy is performing and also the performance of the Central Bank of Kenya. Sen. Cherarkey Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker, Sir, for...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)Party Leader of UDM and the Senator of Mandera and the members, for the good job done.This is one of the committees that has continued to define the role of the Senate, especially apart from, of course, yours truly’s Committee on County Public Accounts.One of the...

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Energy on a matter of national concern regarding payments made by Kenya Power to independent power producers under take-or-pay contracts, specifically in relation to...

Sen. Kathuri Most obliged, Mr. Speaker, Sir. If I get another opportunity, I will hammer this issue because I know that Fund does not go to the right places, including Marsabit, since many areas have no connectivity. The USF is not being used prudently and it is in billions. Every...

Sen. Kathuri Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. The question raised by our colleague, the Senator for Turkana County is very important in this era. Just the other day, there were killings in Lokitaung area. One of the reasons maybe that happened is because of poor communication such that bandits came...

Sen. Kathuri I wanted it to sink to the management of the USF.