Murungi Kathuri

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I beg to move- THAT, the Senate adopts the Report of the Mediation Committee on the Coffee Bill (Senate Bills No.10 of 2023) , laid on the table of the Senate on Thursday, 4th December, 2025, and that pursuant...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Majority Leader. (Loud consultations)

No, the three minutes have not started yet. The first comment was on an issue concerning my Committee. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Please, use one minute or so to conclude.

The first comment was on an issue on my Committee which you asked me to comment on. So, the three minutes should be starting from now. Kwanza, Mheshimiwa Naibu Spika, ningependa kuchangia kuhusu masuala ya upungufu wa makadhi. Hili ni jambo muhimu sana kwa sababu mahakama za kadhi ndio husikiza...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Last but not the least, the Senate Majority Leader, please, proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri):(Technical hitch)Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, let me just quickly utilise my three minutes. One is to support Sen. Mohamed Chute on this statement. It is so sad that there are Kenyans and animals dying in northern Kenya because of hunger.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Cherarkey Samson, proceed--- Wait, let us have Sen. Osotsi first then you will come next.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Senate Majority Leader. Hon. Senators. I have this message to convey to the County Assembly of Nyamira. (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted with the Chair) Senators, for the next 29 minutes, let us have Senators taking three minutes to make comments on the statements. We...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Okay, thank you. Let us first have the Statement under Standing Order No.57 (1) by the Senate Majority Leader and then we can take a few comments. Senate Majority Leader? (Sen. Methu spoke to Sen. Cheruiyot) Order, Sen. Methu. What is exciting that you have...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Are you done? Proceed and conclude.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sure, proceed. ONGOING LAND DISPUTE AND IRREGULAR SURVEY ACTIVITIES IN ANGATA BARIKOI, KILGORIS, NAROK COUNTY

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Fair enough, Sen. Chute. Next is the Senator for Busia County. COMPLIANCE OF RIARA UNIVERSITY WITH THE UNIVERSITIES ACT AND UNIVERSITY STANDARDS AND GUIDELINES

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Next is Senator for Marsabit County, Sen. Mohamed Chute, MP. According to my document here, you have no other title before the term MP. Sen. Chute, you have four statements. You were very wise even when in primary and secondary school during closing day. DELAYED...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Mo Fire, you cannot pronounce yourself as a holder of CBS and then direct me to recognise it.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Okay, next is the Senator for Tharaka-Nithi County, Sen. Mwenda Gataya Mo Fire, CBS, MP. EXPLOITATION OF STRATEGIC MINERALS IN THARAKA-NITHI COUNTY

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Next is a statement from the Senator for Migori County, Sen. Eddy Oketch. That statement is dropped. DISAPPEARANCE OF KENYANS IN TANZANIA DURING AND AFTER THE OCTOBER, 2025 GENERAL ELECTIONS December 4, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 8 IMPLEMENTATION OF 2024 SENATE RESOLUTION ON PLIGHT OF ECDE...

Sen. Kathuri): Let me repeat. It is embarrassing and shameful that 63 years down the line after Independence, our people in northern Kenya and livestock are still dying due to lack of food. Where I come from, we have abundant harvest in the North Rift. It is very shameful. I...

(Technical hitch)Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, let me just quickly utilise my three minutes. One is to support Sen. Mohamed Chute on this statement. It is so sad that there are Kenyans and animals dying in northern Kenya because of hunger.

Let me repeat. It is embarrassing and shameful that 63 years down the line after Independence, our people in northern Kenya and livestock are still dying due to lack of food. Where I come from, we have abundant harvest in the North Rift. It is very shameful. I want to...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) They are still balls and they work very well. That is why my son was admitted before you. (Laughter) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I heard the distinguished Senator for Nandi asking whether I have balls. I want to confirm to him that I have balls,...

They are still balls and they work very well. That is why my son was admitted before you. (Laughter) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Does he play football or rugby or netball?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Okay, thank you. Sen. Boni Khalwale, please proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I just want to add on what Sen. Khalwale is saying, that this company called Shanta Gold, it is not just creating havoc in Kakamega, it is also creating havoc in Vihiga, the boundary between Vihiga and Siaya. People are not...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, do not take that opportunity for informing just to start debating or contributing to a statement. If you want to make a comment on that statement, I can give you that opportunity. So stop interrupting Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, so that he can conclude.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. There is a very important point that was raised by the Senate Majority Leader in his statement. The cooperation between the Legislature and the Executive has never been institutionalised.

The plight of ECDE teachers is not only confined to the County of Murang'a, where Sen. Nyutu highlighted specific areas and concerns. It is a fact that this House, though the Committee on Education has had a number of sessions with various county government representatives on the issue about the...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, several Senators have actually expressed concern on Ikolomani, but you should know that there is no statement on Ikolomani. I wish the Senator for Kakamega County had moved with speed, even to ask a question to the Cabinet Secretary in charge of Environment...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I sought your permission. Allow me to make a few comments on the Statements by Sen. Chute and Sen. Hamida.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) No, the three minutes have not started yet. The first comment was on an issue concerning my Committee. December 4, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 25

I sought your permission. Allow me to make a few comments on the Statements by Sen. Chute and Sen. Hamida. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) You had three minutes. I am surprised that the Clerks-at-the-Table have not noticed that you have spent more than three minutes.

No, the three minutes have not started yet. The first comment was on an issue concerning my Committee. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Please, use one minute or so to conclude.

The first comment was on an issue on my Committee which you asked me to comment on. So, the three minutes should be starting from now. Kwanza, Mheshimiwa Naibu Spika, ningependa kuchangia kuhusu masuala ya upungufu wa makadhi. Hili ni jambo muhimu sana kwa sababu mahakama za kadhi ndio husikiza...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Last but not the least, the Senate Majority Leader, please, proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri):(Technical hitch)Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, let me just quickly utilise my three minutes. One is to support Sen. Mohamed Chute on this statement. It is so sad that there are Kenyans and animals dying in northern Kenya because of hunger.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Cherarkey Samson, proceed--- Wait, let us have Sen. Osotsi first then you will come next.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Senate Majority Leader. Hon. Senators. I have this message to convey to the County Assembly of Nyamira. (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted with the Chair) Senators, for the next 29 minutes, let us have Senators taking three minutes to make comments on the statements. We...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Okay, thank you. Let us first have the Statement under Standing Order No.57 (1) by the Senate Majority Leader and then we can take a few comments. Senate Majority Leader? (Sen. Methu spoke to Sen. Cheruiyot) Order, Sen. Methu. What is exciting that you have...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Are you done? Proceed and conclude.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sure, proceed. ONGOING LAND DISPUTE AND IRREGULAR SURVEY ACTIVITIES IN ANGATA BARIKOI, KILGORIS, NAROK COUNTY

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Fair enough, Sen. Chute. Next is the Senator for Busia County. COMPLIANCE OF RIARA UNIVERSITY WITH THE UNIVERSITIES ACT AND UNIVERSITY STANDARDS AND GUIDELINES

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Next is Senator for Marsabit County, Sen. Mohamed Chute, MP. According to my document here, you have no other title before the term MP. Sen. Chute, you have four statements. You were very wise even when in primary and secondary school during closing day. DELAYED...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Mo Fire, you cannot pronounce yourself as a holder of CBS and then direct me to recognise it.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Okay, next is the Senator for Tharaka-Nithi County, Sen. Mwenda Gataya Mo Fire, CBS, MP. EXPLOITATION OF STRATEGIC MINERALS IN THARAKA-NITHI COUNTY

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Next is a statement from the Senator for Migori County, Sen. Eddy Oketch. That statement is dropped. DISAPPEARANCE OF KENYANS IN TANZANIA DURING AND AFTER THE OCTOBER, 2025 GENERAL ELECTIONS December 4, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 8 IMPLEMENTATION OF 2024 SENATE RESOLUTION ON PLIGHT OF ECDE...

Sen. Kathuri): Let me repeat. It is embarrassing and shameful that 63 years down the line after Independence, our people in northern Kenya and livestock are still dying due to lack of food. Where I come from, we have abundant harvest in the North Rift. It is very shameful. I...

(Technical hitch)Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, let me just quickly utilise my three minutes. One is to support Sen. Mohamed Chute on this statement. It is so sad that there are Kenyans and animals dying in northern Kenya because of hunger.

Let me repeat. It is embarrassing and shameful that 63 years down the line after Independence, our people in northern Kenya and livestock are still dying due to lack of food. Where I come from, we have abundant harvest in the North Rift. It is very shameful. I want to...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) They are still balls and they work very well. That is why my son was admitted before you. (Laughter) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I heard the distinguished Senator for Nandi asking whether I have balls. I want to confirm to him that I have balls,...

They are still balls and they work very well. That is why my son was admitted before you. (Laughter) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Does he play football or rugby or netball?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Okay, thank you. Sen. Boni Khalwale, please proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I just want to add on what Sen. Khalwale is saying, that this company called Shanta Gold, it is not just creating havoc in Kakamega, it is also creating havoc in Vihiga, the boundary between Vihiga and Siaya. People are not...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, do not take that opportunity for informing just to start debating or contributing to a statement. If you want to make a comment on that statement, I can give you that opportunity. So stop interrupting Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, so that he can conclude.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. There is a very important point that was raised by the Senate Majority Leader in his statement. The cooperation between the Legislature and the Executive has never been institutionalised.

The plight of ECDE teachers is not only confined to the County of Murang'a, where Sen. Nyutu highlighted specific areas and concerns. It is a fact that this House, though the Committee on Education has had a number of sessions with various county government representatives on the issue about the...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, several Senators have actually expressed concern on Ikolomani, but you should know that there is no statement on Ikolomani. I wish the Senator for Kakamega County had moved with speed, even to ask a question to the Cabinet Secretary in charge of Environment...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I sought your permission. Allow me to make a few comments on the Statements by Sen. Chute and Sen. Hamida.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) No, the three minutes have not started yet. The first comment was on an issue concerning my Committee. December 4, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 25

I sought your permission. Allow me to make a few comments on the Statements by Sen. Chute and Sen. Hamida. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) You had three minutes. I am surprised that the Clerks-at-the-Table have not noticed that you have spent more than three minutes.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Clerk, do we have quorum? (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted with the Deputy Speaker) Serjeant-at-Arms, ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Hon. Senators, we are now properly constituted. (Sen. Gataya Mo Fire and Sen. Seki walked into the Chamber) Sen. Mwenda...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Very well. Next Order. December 4, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 7 QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, we have several statements under Standing Order No.53 (1) . We will start with Sen. Hamida Kibwana. STATUS, ADMINISTRATION AND OPERATIONAL CHALLENGES FACING KADHI COURTS...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Very well, next is the Chairperson of the Committee on National Cohesion, Equal Opportunity and Regional Integration. You have a Paper to lay, today, Sen. Chute. December 4, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 6

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Next, Order. Notices of Motion. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Chairperson, Mediation Committee, Sen. Mundigi. NOTICE OF MOTION ADOPTION OF REPORT OF THE MEDIATION COMMITTEE ON THE COFFEE BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.10 OF 2023)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) You have another paper to lay.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I beg to move- THAT, the Senate adopts the Report of the Mediation Committee on the Coffee Bill (Senate Bills No.10 of 2023) , laid on the table of the Senate on Thursday, 4th December, 2025, and that pursuant...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I beg to move. I ask Sen. Cherarkey to second. I wish the coffee farmers all the best as we wait for the approval and signing of the Bill. Thank you.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

model that was there when Mumias Sugar Company was a blue-chip company whereby what was privatised was management, not ownership. I do not see a reason why there was a rush to do what was done without proper studies and proper public participation.With the cases of Miwani, Muhoroni and Nzoia,...

to congratulate the committee for having pulled off the mediation and having come to a point where the Coffee Bill is on its way to becoming a Coffee Act.Coffee is one of the most important crops in the world. It is a global crop. One of the major commodities traded...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, thank you for the opportunity to contribute to this all-important Bill and the Report of the Mediation Committee. I stand December 4, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 40

Sen. Okiya Omtatah, proceed.

Sen. Kathuri Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, thank you for the opportunity to contribute to this all-important Bill and the Report of the Mediation Committee. I stand December 4, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 39 Sen. Kathurito congratulate the committee for having pulled off the mediation and having come to a point where...

Sen. Kathuri

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Majority Leader. (Loud consultations)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Very well. Next Order. December 4, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 7 QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, we have several statements under Standing Order No.53 (1) . We will start with Sen. Hamida Kibwana. STATUS, ADMINISTRATION AND OPERATIONAL CHALLENGES FACING KADHI COURTS...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Very well, next is the Chairperson of the Committee on National Cohesion, Equal Opportunity and Regional Integration. You have a Paper to lay, today, Sen. Chute. December 4, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 6

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Next, Order. Notices of Motion. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Chairperson, Mediation Committee, Sen. Mundigi. NOTICE OF MOTION ADOPTION OF REPORT OF THE MEDIATION COMMITTEE ON THE COFFEE BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.10 OF 2023)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) You have another paper to lay.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I beg to move. I ask Sen. Cherarkey to second. I wish the coffee farmers all the best as we wait for the approval and signing of the Bill. Thank you.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

model that was there when Mumias Sugar Company was a blue-chip company whereby what was privatised was management, not ownership. I do not see a reason why there was a rush to do what was done without proper studies and proper public participation.With the cases of Miwani, Muhoroni and Nzoia,...

to congratulate the committee for having pulled off the mediation and having come to a point where the Coffee Bill is on its way to becoming a Coffee Act.Coffee is one of the most important crops in the world. It is a global crop. One of the major commodities traded...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, thank you for the opportunity to contribute to this all-important Bill and the Report of the Mediation Committee. I stand December 4, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 40

Sen. Okiya Omtatah, proceed.

Sen. Kathuri Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, thank you for the opportunity to contribute to this all-important Bill and the Report of the Mediation Committee. I stand December 4, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 39 Sen. Kathurito congratulate the committee for having pulled off the mediation and having come to a point where...

Sen. Kathuri

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Very well. Next Order. December 4, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 7 QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, we have several statements under Standing Order No.53 (1) . We will start with Sen. Hamida Kibwana. STATUS, ADMINISTRATION AND OPERATIONAL CHALLENGES FACING KADHI COURTS...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Very well, next is the Chairperson of the Committee on National Cohesion, Equal Opportunity and Regional Integration. You have a Paper to lay, today, Sen. Chute. December 4, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 6

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Next, Order. Notices of Motion. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Chairperson, Mediation Committee, Sen. Mundigi. NOTICE OF MOTION ADOPTION OF REPORT OF THE MEDIATION COMMITTEE ON THE COFFEE BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.10 OF 2023)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) You have another paper to lay.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I beg to move. I ask Sen. Cherarkey to second. I wish the coffee farmers all the best as we wait for the approval and signing of the Bill. Thank you.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

model that was there when Mumias Sugar Company was a blue-chip company whereby what was privatised was management, not ownership. I do not see a reason why there was a rush to do what was done without proper studies and proper public participation.With the cases of Miwani, Muhoroni and Nzoia,...

to congratulate the committee for having pulled off the mediation and having come to a point where the Coffee Bill is on its way to becoming a Coffee Act.Coffee is one of the most important crops in the world. It is a global crop. One of the major commodities traded...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, thank you for the opportunity to contribute to this all-important Bill and the Report of the Mediation Committee. I stand December 4, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 40

Sen. Okiya Omtatah, proceed.

Sen. Kathuri Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, thank you for the opportunity to contribute to this all-important Bill and the Report of the Mediation Committee. I stand December 4, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 39 Sen. Kathurito congratulate the committee for having pulled off the mediation and having come to a point where...

Sen. Kathuri

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Many a times we have seen impeachment Motions brought before this House and we have taken decisions based on the preliminary objection. The question that has been left in the minds of Kenyans is what has led to the impeachment of the Governor. How...

It is my deep conviction that this House will be doing a great disservice to the nation and the county assemblies if we terminate this matter on preliminary objection. Yes, we have done it before. There were contentions, but I keep on asking myself; “did we do fellow Kenyans injustice...

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity. I have listened to all the other colleagues Senator and what they are suggesting. Any time we see MCAs bringing their governor on impeachment charges, we know the effort they have put in. When I listen to what is being...

I would like to congratulate the MCAs for making an effort to check what is happening in their county and ensuring that they brought the governor here. We come from counties where there is a lot of misappropriation of the funds and yet, the MCAs have never even made the...

Sen. Kathuri

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for giving me an opportunity to comment on this Motion on the Floor of this Senate. We have a clear mandate as the Senate. Under Article 96 (1) , the role of the Senate is to represent the counties, to serve and protect the interests...

Sen. Kathuri Then, you may proceed.

Sen. Kathuri

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)oversight. We must be careful not to be seen to be superintending on how county assemblies carry out their business. We cannot be seen to be the ones that are discouraging county assemblies from carrying out oversight mandates over their governors. A county assembly may just...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Many a times we have seen impeachment Motions brought before this House and we have taken decisions based on the preliminary objection. The question that has been left in the minds of Kenyans is what has led to the...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Many a times we have seen impeachment Motions brought before this House and we have taken decisions based on the preliminary objection. The question that has been left in the minds of Kenyans is what has led to the impeachment of the Governor. How...

It is my deep conviction that this House will be doing a great disservice to the nation and the county assemblies if we terminate this matter on preliminary objection. Yes, we have done it before. There were contentions, but I keep on asking myself; “did we do fellow Kenyans injustice...

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity. I have listened to all the other colleagues Senator and what they are suggesting. Any time we see MCAs bringing their governor on impeachment charges, we know the effort they have put in. When I listen to what is being...

I would like to congratulate the MCAs for making an effort to check what is happening in their county and ensuring that they brought the governor here. We come from counties where there is a lot of misappropriation of the funds and yet, the MCAs have never even made the...

Sen. Kathuri

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for giving me an opportunity to comment on this Motion on the Floor of this Senate. We have a clear mandate as the Senate. Under Article 96 (1) , the role of the Senate is to represent the counties, to serve and protect the interests...

Sen. Kathuri Then, you may proceed.

Sen. Kathuri

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)oversight. We must be careful not to be seen to be superintending on how county assemblies carry out their business. We cannot be seen to be the ones that are discouraging county assemblies from carrying out oversight mandates over their governors. A county assembly may just...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Many a times we have seen impeachment Motions brought before this House and we have taken decisions based on the preliminary objection. The question that has been left in the minds of Kenyans is what has led to the...