Josephine Naisula Lesuuda

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I take this opportunity to sincerely thank every Member who has contributed to this Bill since it was first read in this House. I also thank the Members of the Departmental Committee on Labour for the intense engagement when...

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I hear what my colleague is saying but he cannot propose an amendment on the Floor. The amendment before us is the one by Hon. Gichimu which I support. That is a good proposal but there is no amendment....

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) It is not really a point of order. The proposed Clause 15 has (a) (b) and (c) which seem like consultation requirements which can impede the process. Someone can even go to court claiming they were not consulted. Leaving the Clause as it is...

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move that the New Clause 15A be now read a Second Time. The essence of including this New Clause is to align it with provisions of Article 232 (1) (g) of our Constitution which stipulates that appointments should...

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 2 of the Bill be amended—

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Let me give a chance to the Chairman of the Committee because both of you have interest in the same. Chairman, please proceed.

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 2 of the Bill be amended— Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 2 of the Bill be amended—

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move that the Committee do report to the House its consideration of the Public Service Internship Bill (National Assembly Bill No.63 of 2022) and its approval thereof with amendments. (Question proposed) (Question put and agreed to) (The House...

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said report. I request Hon. Gichimu to second the Motion.

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) Hon. Speaker, I beg to move that the Public Service Internship Bill (National Assembly Bill No.63 of 2022) be now read a Third Time. I request Hon. Nyikal to second.

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) Thank you. I like the direction you gave on this matter — that the Cabinet Secretary be called to this House to respond to these issues, as they are grave. As the Deputy Leader of the Majority Party has said, some of the statements...

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I also support this amendment. It is important that our interns get the requisite experience so that intern are not just in an institution and given certain assignments that do not assist them in getting experience and also learning...

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I support and believe six to 12 months is adequate for anyone who is really looking to gain experience while serving as an intern.I believe one will not have acquired the necessary experience in less than six months. The...

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, even though I supported, because I remember us deliberating at length, I had proposed three months in the Bill as that is what is mostly needed. The Chairperson needs to clarify further, because what we are discussing is not the amendment....

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. Listening to the Chairperson and now looking at Article 1 as it appears in the Bill, his amendment makes sense. He is just removing ‘established under the Constitution’ and specifying ‘‘as defined in Article 260’’, which defines public officers....

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 8 of the Bill be amended in paragraph (k) by deleting the words “in the case of a public service institution in the National Government, or the County 3rd December 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 16...

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) Thank you Hon. Temporary Chairlady. In the original Bill, I had considered the matter of counties. But after thinking about it, I realised that different counties have different County Executive Committee (CEC) members with different names and titles on who deals with matters internship....

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I support the amendment by Hon. (Dr) Nyikal. He has made it tidier in Clause 10 (a) of the Bill. But I propose and ask whether it would be possible to just add what Hon. Gichimu proposes because we...

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. The Committee deliberated extensively on the issue of the timeframe. The amendment to Clause 13 caters for everyone. We are just stipulating that an internship cannot exceed 12 months. The Clause states that an internship period shall be valid...

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 14 of the Bill be amended in sub-clause (1) by deleting the words “twenty-four hours” appearing immediately after the word “exceeding” in paragraph 3rd December 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 28 Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West,...

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) The amendment is reasonable for anyone who is on internship. Why would you not communicate to your employer within three days? It is not saying “missing work”. It is saying “without permission or reasonable cause for a period exceeding 24 hours”. Just notify your...

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I take this opportunity to sincerely thank every Member who has contributed to this Bill since it was first read in this House. I also thank the Members of the Departmental Committee on Labour for the intense engagement when...

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I hear what my colleague is saying but he cannot propose an amendment on the Floor. The amendment before us is the one by Hon. Gichimu which I support. That is a good proposal but there is no amendment....

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) It is not really a point of order. The proposed Clause 15 has (a) (b) and (c) which seem like consultation requirements which can impede the process. Someone can even go to court claiming they were not consulted. Leaving the Clause as it is...

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move that the New Clause 15A be now read a Second Time. The essence of including this New Clause is to align it with provisions of Article 232 (1) (g) of our Constitution which stipulates that appointments should...

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 2 of the Bill be amended—

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Let me give a chance to the Chairman of the Committee because both of you have interest in the same. Chairman, please proceed.

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 2 of the Bill be amended— Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 2 of the Bill be amended—

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move that the Committee do report to the House its consideration of the Public Service Internship Bill (National Assembly Bill No.63 of 2022) and its approval thereof with amendments. (Question proposed) (Question put and agreed to) (The House...

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said report. I request Hon. Gichimu to second the Motion.

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) Hon. Speaker, I beg to move that the Public Service Internship Bill (National Assembly Bill No.63 of 2022) be now read a Third Time. I request Hon. Nyikal to second.

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) Thank you. I like the direction you gave on this matter — that the Cabinet Secretary be called to this House to respond to these issues, as they are grave. As the Deputy Leader of the Majority Party has said, some of the statements...

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I also support this amendment. It is important that our interns get the requisite experience so that intern are not just in an institution and given certain assignments that do not assist them in getting experience and also learning...

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I support and believe six to 12 months is adequate for anyone who is really looking to gain experience while serving as an intern.I believe one will not have acquired the necessary experience in less than six months. The...

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, even though I supported, because I remember us deliberating at length, I had proposed three months in the Bill as that is what is mostly needed. The Chairperson needs to clarify further, because what we are discussing is not the amendment....

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. Listening to the Chairperson and now looking at Article 1 as it appears in the Bill, his amendment makes sense. He is just removing ‘established under the Constitution’ and specifying ‘‘as defined in Article 260’’, which defines public officers....

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 8 of the Bill be amended in paragraph (k) by deleting the words “in the case of a public service institution in the National Government, or the County 3rd December 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 16...

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) Thank you Hon. Temporary Chairlady. In the original Bill, I had considered the matter of counties. But after thinking about it, I realised that different counties have different County Executive Committee (CEC) members with different names and titles on who deals with matters internship....

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I support the amendment by Hon. (Dr) Nyikal. He has made it tidier in Clause 10 (a) of the Bill. But I propose and ask whether it would be possible to just add what Hon. Gichimu proposes because we...

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. The Committee deliberated extensively on the issue of the timeframe. The amendment to Clause 13 caters for everyone. We are just stipulating that an internship cannot exceed 12 months. The Clause states that an internship period shall be valid...

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 14 of the Bill be amended in sub-clause (1) by deleting the words “twenty-four hours” appearing immediately after the word “exceeding” in paragraph 3rd December 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 28 Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West,...

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) The amendment is reasonable for anyone who is on internship. Why would you not communicate to your employer within three days? It is not saying “missing work”. It is saying “without permission or reasonable cause for a period exceeding 24 hours”. Just notify your...

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) Thank you, Hon. Speaker and thank you, Prime Cabinet Secretary, for your response. I have two follow-up questions. Is it a coincidence that the Middle East is where we get most of the complaints about Kenyans being mistreated and not in any other parts...

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, Kanu) I rise to ask the Prime Cabinet Secretary the following Question: Could the Prime Cabinet Secretary: 19th November 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 18 Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, Kanu)A certified version of this Report

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) Thank you, Hon. Speaker, and Parliament as a whole, for honouring Mr Lekulo. I must say that just watching the procession and the whole ceremony, it was emotional and almost gave me goose-bumps. I am so happy, and I congratulate Mr Lekulo because this...

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) Thank you, Hon. Speaker, and Parliament as a whole, for honouring Mr Lekulo. I must say that just watching the procession and the whole ceremony, it was emotional and almost gave me goose-bumps. I am so happy, and I congratulate Mr Lekulo because this...

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) Thank you, Hon. Speaker, and Parliament as a whole, for honouring Mr Lekulo. I must say that just watching the procession and the whole ceremony, it was emotional and almost gave me goose-bumps. I am so happy, and I congratulate Mr Lekulo because this...

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I rise to request for a statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Education regarding the promotions, transfers, and affirmative action for teachers in Arid and Semi-Arid Lands (ASALs) in the country. On 12th August 2025, the Teachers Service...

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I rise to request for a statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Education regarding the promotions, transfers, and affirmative action for teachers in Arid and Semi-Arid Lands (ASALs) in the country. On 12th August 2025, the Teachers Service...

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) Hon. Temporary Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 33 (1) , I seek leave for the adjournment of the House for purposes of discussing a definite matter of urgent national importance regarding the alarming rise in cases of femicide and Gender-Based Violence (GBV) in the...

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for your protection. Hon. Temporary Speaker, as a nation, how are we treating our women and children? That does not mean that there are no boys or men who are facing gender-based violence. Just as I said, the child...

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) Hon. Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 33 (1) , I seek leave for the adjournment of the House for purposes of discussing a definite matter of urgent national importance regarding the alarming rise in cases of femicide and gender-based violence in the country. In...

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) Hon. Temporary Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 33 (1) , I seek leave for the adjournment of the House for purposes of discussing a definite matter of urgent national importance regarding the alarming rise in cases of femicide and Gender-Based Violence (GBV) in the...

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for your protection. Hon. Temporary Speaker, as a nation, how are we treating our women and children? That does not mean that there are no boys or men who are facing gender-based violence. Just as I said, the child...

Hon. Naisula Lesuuda (Samburu West, KANU) Hon. Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 33 (1) , I seek leave for the adjournment of the House for purposes of discussing a definite matter of urgent national importance regarding the alarming rise in cases of femicide and gender-based violence in the country. In...