Julius Lekakeny Sunkuli

Hon. Julius Sunkuli (Kilgoris, KANU) On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker. The Temporary Speaker (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) What is out of order, Member for Kilgoris, Hon. Sunkuli? Hon. Julius Sunkuli (Kilgoris, KANU) Hon. Temporary Speaker, the Deputy Speaker has raised very important issues, as you noted. One,...

Hon. Julius Sunkuli (Kilgoris, KANU) On a point of order, Hon. Speaker. Hon. Speaker Hon. Sunkuli, what is your point of order? Hon. Julius Sunkuli (Kilgoris, KANU) Since I have raised the matter in the House, I do not think it is wise for me to go to the DCI....

Hon. Julius Sunkuli (Kilgoris, KANU) Yes, Hon. Speaker. I hope The Hansard reports capture all that we say. Yesterday, there was a technical hitch in the parliamentary live proceedings on YouTube because they ended at 11.59 a.m. All we said after that time is not on record. When we spoke...

Hon. Julius Sunkuli (Kilgoris, KANU) On a point of order, Hon. Speaker. Hon. Speaker Hon. Sunkuli, what is your point of order? Hon. Julius Sunkuli (Kilgoris, KANU) Since I have raised the matter in the House, I do not think it is wise for me to go to the DCI....

Hon. Julius Sunkuli (Kilgoris, KANU) Yes, Hon. Speaker. I hope The Hansard reports capture all that we say. Yesterday, there was a technical hitch in the parliamentary live proceedings on YouTube because they ended at 11.59 a.m. All we said after that time is not on record. When we spoke...

Hon. Julius Sunkuli (Kilgoris, KANU) On a point of order, Hon. Speaker. Hon. Speaker Hon. Sunkuli, what is your point of order? Hon. Julius Sunkuli (Kilgoris, KANU) Since I have raised the matter in the House, I do not think it is wise for me to go to the DCI....

Hon. Julius Sunkuli (Kilgoris, KANU) Yes, Hon. Speaker. I hope The Hansard reports capture all that we say. Yesterday, there was a technical hitch in the parliamentary live proceedings on YouTube because they ended at 11.59 a.m. All we said after that time is not on record. When we spoke...

Hon. Julius Sunkuli (Kilgoris, KANU) On a point of order, Hon. Speaker. Hon. Speaker Hon. Sunkuli, what is your point of order? Hon. Julius Sunkuli (Kilgoris, KANU) Since I have raised the matter in the House, I do not think it is wise for me to go to the DCI....

Hon. Julius Sunkuli (Kilgoris, KANU) Yes, Hon. Speaker. I hope The Hansard reports capture all that we say. Yesterday, there was a technical hitch in the parliamentary live proceedings on YouTube because they ended at 11.59 a.m. All we said after that time is not on record. When we spoke...

Hon. Julius Sunkuli (Kilgoris, KANU) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I join the Mover of this Bill and the many good comments that have been made by our honourable ladies. Hon. Cynthia Muge said that the problem we are trying to solve is not short of legislation. There are quite a number...

Hon. Julius Sunkuli (Kilgoris, KANU) I am sure that I will also be answered, because I am not the last speaker. We still have two and a half hours. I am sure somebody will have something against what I have said. Hon. Temporary Speaker, new Clause 46 (A) introduces another...

Hon. Julius Sunkuli (Kilgoris, KANU) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I join the Mover of this Bill and the many good comments that have been made by our honourable ladies. Hon. Cynthia Muge said that the problem we are trying to solve is not short of legislation. There are quite a number...

Hon. Julius Sunkuli (Kilgoris, KANU) I am sure that I will also be answered, because I am not the last speaker. We still have two and a half hours. I am sure somebody will have something against what I have said. Hon. Temporary Speaker, new Clause 46 (A) introduces another...

Hon. Julius Sunkuli (Kilgoris, KANU) It is a request for guidance. I am delighted that you have referred this matter to the Departmental Committee on Lands, because there has been a practice of referring most matters to the Public Petitions Committee, even when they lack the capacity to deal with...

Hon. Julius Sunkuli (Kilgoris, KANU) I will move it on a particular issue.

Hon. Julius Sunkuli (Kilgoris, KANU) If the Chairman is amending Clause 5, he may consider vacating it, as he has not internalised it. We could say he is dropping the amendment because it does not relate to Clause 5. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : I agree. I...

Hon. Julius Sunkuli (Kilgoris, KANU) On a point of order, Hon. Deputy Speaker.

Hon. Julius Sunkuli (Kilgoris, KANU)(Technical hitch)I am in a difficult position because I am opposing Dr Nyikal, my Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Health. I support his concept except that it needs to be followed by a definition of the word preregistration. 3rd December 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 34...

Hon. Julius Sunkuli (Kilgoris, KANU) I support the deletion of the word certificate because there would be too many definitions. Under the Kenya National Examinations Council Act, it would have a different definition from this and at any rate, it is not very clear what kind of certificate that would...

Hon. Julius Sunkuli (Kilgoris, KANU) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, Hon. Gichimu is the Vice-Chairperson of the Committee on Delegated Legislation and I am also a Member of that Committee. This is where the cabinet secretaries get the power to make regulations but it is difficult to put this as a mandatory...

Hon. Julius Sunkuli (Kilgoris, KANU) I support, Hon. Temporary Chairlady, in view of the fact that the Social Health Authority (SHA) is not a responsibility for the employer at the moment. It is going to be a contravention of the fact that the employer does not participate in the SHA,...

Hon. Julius Sunkuli (Kilgoris, KANU) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I oppose that amendment because it does not conform to the reality in Kenya. Most schools, the Rift Valley Institute, Utalii College and others, require their students to go for an internship, but they are given a period of three months. Introducing...

Hon. Julius Sunkuli (Kilgoris, KANU) I urge Members not to pass this amendment. I want to be on record. How can we make a law stating that the Cabinet Secretary shall make regulations in consultation with the relevant State organs? Which are they? Whom will the Cabinet Secretary consult? We...

Hon. Julius Sunkuli (Kilgoris, KANU) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I was concentrating on Clause 2 that I forgot about Clause 9. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : We will get to Clause 2. We are yet to handle it. Hon. Julius Sunkuli (Kilgoris, KANU) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I propose...

Hon. Julius Sunkuli (Kilgoris, KANU) I rise on a point of order to request a more reasoned decision by you on this issue of referring the statement to the Committee. We do not refer matters directly to the Cabinet Secretary. The Committee is not a conduit. In the present setup,...

Hon. Julius Sunkuli (Kilgoris, KANU) I support the amendment but I would like to bring to the attention of the House that the amendment we have just passed is incorrect. Clause 7 (b) says: “has not been exposed to work experience related to the person’s area of study” The Temporary...

Hon. Julius Sunkuli (Kilgoris, KANU) I have a problem with that because Clause 15 is a provision on delegated legislation. This one seems to produce another issue. Is this the clause that states that in recruiting candidates for employment, a public service institution shall consider a candidate’s previous internship? Is...

Hon. Julius Sunkuli (Kilgoris, KANU) If the Chairman is amending Clause 5, he may consider vacating it, as he has not internalised it. We could say he is dropping the amendment because it does not relate to Clause 5. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : I agree. I...

Hon. Julius Sunkuli (Kilgoris, KANU) On a point of order, Hon. Deputy Speaker.

Hon. Julius Sunkuli (Kilgoris, KANU)(Technical hitch)I am in a difficult position because I am opposing Dr Nyikal, my Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Health. I support his concept except that it needs to be followed by a definition of the word preregistration. 3rd December 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 34...

Hon. Julius Sunkuli (Kilgoris, KANU) I support the deletion of the word certificate because there would be too many definitions. Under the Kenya National Examinations Council Act, it would have a different definition from this and at any rate, it is not very clear what kind of certificate that would...

Hon. Julius Sunkuli (Kilgoris, KANU) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, Hon. Gichimu is the Vice-Chairperson of the Committee on Delegated Legislation and I am also a Member of that Committee. This is where the cabinet secretaries get the power to make regulations but it is difficult to put this as a mandatory...

Hon. Julius Sunkuli (Kilgoris, KANU) I support, Hon. Temporary Chairlady, in view of the fact that the Social Health Authority (SHA) is not a responsibility for the employer at the moment. It is going to be a contravention of the fact that the employer does not participate in the SHA,...

Hon. Julius Sunkuli (Kilgoris, KANU) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I oppose that amendment because it does not conform to the reality in Kenya. Most schools, the Rift Valley Institute, Utalii College and others, require their students to go for an internship, but they are given a period of three months. Introducing...

Hon. Julius Sunkuli (Kilgoris, KANU) I urge Members not to pass this amendment. I want to be on record. How can we make a law stating that the Cabinet Secretary shall make regulations in consultation with the relevant State organs? Which are they? Whom will the Cabinet Secretary consult? We...

Hon. Julius Sunkuli (Kilgoris, KANU) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I was concentrating on Clause 2 that I forgot about Clause 9. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : We will get to Clause 2. We are yet to handle it. Hon. Julius Sunkuli (Kilgoris, KANU) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I propose...

Hon. Julius Sunkuli (Kilgoris, KANU) I rise on a point of order to request a more reasoned decision by you on this issue of referring the statement to the Committee. We do not refer matters directly to the Cabinet Secretary. The Committee is not a conduit. In the present setup,...

Hon. Julius Sunkuli (Kilgoris, KANU) I support the amendment but I would like to bring to the attention of the House that the amendment we have just passed is incorrect. Clause 7 (b) says: “has not been exposed to work experience related to the person’s area of study” The Temporary...

Hon. Julius Sunkuli (Kilgoris, KANU) I have a problem with that because Clause 15 is a provision on delegated legislation. This one seems to produce another issue. Is this the clause that states that in recruiting candidates for employment, a public service institution shall consider a candidate’s previous internship? Is...

Hon. Julius Sunkuli (Kilgoris, KANU) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I would like to acknowledge the guidance that you gave about reservations. It is internationally recognised that sections with reservations will not have force of law. Since reservations can also be rejected by the other party, I hope that those who will...

Hon. Julius Sunkuli (Kilgoris, KANU) Hon Temporary Speaker, the issues Hon. Oundo has raised are very weighty. (The Temporary Speaker consulted with the Clerk-at-the-Table) Sorry, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I am waiting for your attention. The matter is weighty and I am sure you would like to rule on it. However,...

Hon. Julius Sunkuli (Kilgoris, JP) I will sit down, Hon. Temporary Speaker, because the Departmental Committee on Health did not attend the meeting that was adjourned.

Hon. Julius Sunkuli (Kilgoris, JP) The Temporary Speaker has made a decision with respect to the Departmental Committee to which Hon. (Dr) Oundo belongs. If you clearly heard from Hon. Marianne, the original meeting that was supposed to be held…

Hon. Julius Sunkuli (Kilgoris, KANU) It exactly relates to your interest. In the treaty making process, Parliament has been placed as one of the organs that will facilitate ratification of treaties that are made between Kenya and other countries. The point of order is to seek either your guidance or...