Yusuf Haji

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, this is an Adjournment Motion concerning an issue of national importance. Most of us who have left home and worked in security positions as district officers, district commissioners and as provincial commissioners are really embarrassed to see what is happening in the country today. I recall...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I personally feel that there is no conflict at all because when the principal is required to collect fees he can only collect fees from those who can afford to pay, but there are very poor people who will not be able to pay. Therefore, there is...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, much as the allegations are serious, unfortunately, since we are going on recess on Thursday, I will not be able to provide the answer. But even before we resume, I will try to write a letter to find out what happened. The Acting Senate Minority Leader (Sen....

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Madam Temporary Chairperson, I propose that category (j) the Head of State can confer--- The Temporary Chairperson (Sen. Ongoro) : Sen. Haji, are you not repeating what has been provided for under Regulation 3 where it says:- “The following categories of national honours may be conferred by the President”

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(Question proposed)Madam Chairperson, I beg to move that the Committee doth report to the House its consideration of the National Honours Regulations, 2013, and their approval thereof with amendments.(Question put and agreed to)

Sen. Haji, are you not repeating what has been provided for under Regulation 3 where it says:- “The following categories of national honours may be conferred by the President” Regulation 5

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Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move:- THAT, the title to the Regulations be amended by inserting the words “and Section 205” immediately after the words “Section 24 (4) and (11) .”

So category (j) should read:- “A visiting Head of State or Government” I also propose that this section which says that the Committee which is to recommend an honour should give a notice of three months. I feel that three months is too long. The Temporary Chairperson (

Sen. Haji, your proposal is in order, but where you want to fix it makes it out of context because we are talking of the kind of awards that can be conferred upon somebody and we do not know what particular category of a word could be conferred on a...

Order, hon. Senators! Seeing that there is no debate and swing, I will put the question.

I think the reason is because when you have proposed somebody for conferment of an award, the various State organs are supposed to be given adequate time to investigate and to confirm that that person is actually deserving. So, I think 90 days is still okay. So, we proceed with...

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Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, this is an Adjournment Motion concerning an issue of national importance. Most of us who have left home and worked in security positions as district officers, district commissioners and as provincial commissioners are really embarrassed to see what is happening in the country today. I recall...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I personally feel that there is no conflict at all because when the principal is required to collect fees he can only collect fees from those who can afford to pay, but there are very poor people who will not be able to pay. Therefore, there is...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, much as the allegations are serious, unfortunately, since we are going on recess on Thursday, I will not be able to provide the answer. But even before we resume, I will try to write a letter to find out what happened. The Acting Senate Minority Leader (Sen....

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Madam Temporary Chairperson, I am on the amendment which states that a Senator shall be considered after they have attained one term. I am proposing that a Senator by virtue of being elected should automatically earn that honour without subjecting it to waiting the same way Ministers earn those honours...

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I second.

Sen. Haji, are you not repeating what has been provided for under Regulation 3 where it says:- “The following categories of national honours may be conferred by the President” Madam Temporary Chairperson, a conferment to a Head of State cannot be an EGH or EBS. It is a different kind....

Are you proposing that the President be conferred? Madam Temporary Chairperson, he can confer to another Head of State who is visiting. That is what happens all over the world. The Temporary Chairperson (

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Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move:- THAT, Regulation 18 be amended by deleting sub-paragraph (b) of paragraph (1) . Madam Temporary Chairperson, paragraph 1 says:- “The initial capital of the fund shall be allocated as follows- b) an amount not exceeding 8 per cent shall be earmarked for capacity...

Sen. Haji, your proposal is in order, but where you want to fix it makes it out of context because we are talking of the kind of awards that can be conferred upon somebody and we do not know what particular category of a word could be conferred on a...

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Mr. Speaker, Sir, I wish to make a Statement on an alleged relationship between myself and Mr. Mohamed Ahmed, one of the suspects in the murder of the Venezuela envoy to Kenya, Olga Foncesa. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I wish to make a Personal Statement pursuant to the Standing Order No.85....

Mr. Speaker, Sir---

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I answered this last week, but the Questioner was not satisfied and the Speaker directed that we pursue the matter further. I believe we have already written to the Cabinet Secretary, but given the fact that he travelled to Kampala on Thursday to attend the handing over...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, knowing that we are going on recess on Thursday, we will attempt to answer before then.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, up to now, I am not aware. But following the interest of the security of our colleague, I want to put on notice Members of the Committee on National Security and Foreign Affairs that I will summon the Minister to appear before us on Thursday at 10.00...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, we also want to see those Kenyans who are in the rural areas; the mama mboga and jua kali artisans being honoured. It should not just be us at our level who should be honoured. It is very important to ensure that while we honour various individuals,...

Well, I thought that, that was more of an administrative issue. So, the relevant officials can deal with the matter. What is, definitely, true is that they are supposed to be covering one of the Chambers. So, I do not understand why they are not doing it. It means that...

Is it the one of the Kenya Broadcasting Corporation (KBC) ? Yes, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Thank you very much, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I beg to support this very important Motion and thank Sen. Mositet for bringing it. This Motion affects the entire country and not only areas where individual Senators represent. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, the issue of garbage disposal is a very serious...

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Mr. Speaker, Sir, I wish, on the onset, to oppose this Motion in the sense that we started with the five names from this House. If the National Assembly acted in good faith, they should have amended the list, returned it to us before writing a communication to the Pan...

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Mr. Speaker, Sir, I want to tell this House that I complied with the instructions given by the Speaker and communicated the same to the Ministry concerned. Immediately you issued that instruction, I beckoned the Clerk of the Senate, went to his office and rang the officers in that office...

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. There is no time when we have called these people and they have refused to come. I must be very honest. They have always come whenever we have asked them to do so, but occasionally, we have had to postpone meetings because...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I want to thank you most sincerely and also thank my honorable colleagues for their kind words and assure them that I will always try my best to satisfy their needs as far as the question of security is concerned so long as I am their Chairperson...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I sincerely want to apologise to my brother, Sen. Obure, for delaying in issuing this Statement. The Statement has not been given to us until now. We will pursue it until we give it to you. Therefore, please, forgive us.

Possibly, Wednesday next week.

Very much obliged Mr. Speaker, Sir. I agree with the concern of Sen. Obure. ILLEGAL LOGGING IN MAKUENI COUNTY

Mr. Speaker, Sir, we want to give the Ministry, which will respond to this Question, two weeks from today.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, if it was me who was going to issue it, I would even have issued it in two days but unfortunately, we have to communicate to the Cabinet Secretary and occasionally, it takes time for letters to reach there and for them to respond. of your feelings,...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, this is a Ministerial Statement on the rampant kidnappings in Kirinyaga County. Mr. Speaker, Sir, on 24th October, 2013 the Senator for Kirinyaga County, Sen. Karaba, requested for a Statement on the rampant kidnappings in Kirinyaga County. The honourable Senator sought to be informed whether the national...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I think there is no contest as to what the hon. Senator is saying. I am sure that the hon. Senator is more conversant with his area than any other person but this is the record that has been given. My suspicion is that maybe this other...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am not capable of telling who is telling the truth or who is lying but all I can say is that the police officer who was found dead with his gun next to him suggests more than a kidnapping case because he would have used his...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, this Statement was sought by Sen. Halima Abdille on 11th July, 2013. We attempted to respond on 24th October, 2013 but more information was sought. With your permission, I wish to give the information as follows: Despite the installation of CCTV security surveillance cameras being a priority...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, from the outset, I asked for the indulgence of the House. This is a House of dignity and I am sure that we will not want this country to expose everything to the detriment of the security of the nation. So, I do not see any reason...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, as I said earlier, nothing stops the hon. Senator from walking to the Office of the Cabinet Secretary and asking for this information in confidence, and he will be given. I asked for the indulgence of this House that this is not a big deal. This information...

Mr. Chairman, do you want to be informed? Before the information, let us get the point of order by Sen. Machage. On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. You did give a direction and maybe it could be taken as a ruling; that unless the Chairman quotes the section...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have information that might just help to put this matter very clear. We might end up prejudicing the security of our land if this information is given, knowing that Turkana County has three international borders. We have Sudan, Ethiopia and Uganda borders. So, by giving such...

Let us get some information from Sen. Munyes.

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Mr. Speaker, Sir, we want to give the Ministry, which will respond to this Question, two weeks from today.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, if it was me who was going to issue it, I would even have issued it in two days but unfortunately, we have to communicate to the Cabinet Secretary and occasionally, it takes time for letters to reach there and for them to respond. Therefore, they have...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, this is a Ministerial Statement on the rampant kidnappings in Kirinyaga County. Mr. Speaker, Sir, on 24th October, 2013 the Senator for Kirinyaga County, Sen. Karaba, requested for a Statement on the rampant kidnappings in Kirinyaga County. The honourable Senator sought to be informed whether the national...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I think there is no contest as to what the hon. Senator is saying. I am sure that the hon. Senator is more conversant with his area than any other person but this is the record that has been given. My suspicion is that maybe this other...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am not capable of telling who is telling the truth or who is lying but all I can say is that the police officer who was found dead with his gun next to him suggests more than a kidnapping case because he would have used his...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, this Statement was sought by Sen. Halima Abdille on 11th July, 2013. We attempted to respond on 24th October, 2013 but more information was sought. With your permission, I wish to give the information as follows: Despite the installation of CCTV security surveillance cameras being a priority...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, from the outset, I asked for the indulgence of the House. This is a House of dignity and I am sure that we will not want this country to expose everything to the detriment of the security of the nation. So, I do not see any reason...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, as I said earlier, nothing stops the hon. Senator from walking to the Office of the Cabinet Secretary and asking for this information in confidence, and he will be given. I asked for the indulgence of this House that this is not a big deal. This information...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, the hon. Senator should withdraw the word “private.” I never said “private,” but I stand by what I have said; that this information will be given.

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Mr. Speaker, Sir, I had requested a statement last week and the Chair gave his word and promised to present the statement today. This was with regard to the withdrawal of security personnel from Sen. Muthama. I would like to know whether the Chairman will make the statement.

Mr. Speaker, the Chairman has not given an indication of when he will give the statement. So, I am still left at a loss.

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker Sir I had also made a request for another statement in the absence of the Chair of the Legal Affairs and Human Rights Committee. On his behalf, the Vice Chairperson promised to give the statement next week on Thursday. Now that the Chairperson...

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Our records show that on the issue of the ICC witnesses, your Committee undertook to make a statement on 26th November which will be on Tuesday. That should remain. With regard to the statement requested by Sen. Orengo, you must appreciate the given timelines.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, the Senate Leader of Majority is only confirming what happened. My colleague lost his position as an Assistant Minister because of hate speech. (Laughter)

On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. The security of Kenyans is very important---

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Sen. Khaniri, do you wish to seek a clarification?

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, he says only six individuals or families were assisted in the burials. One, can he table the names of the families which were assisted? Two, I stated earlier here that I lost five people from my constituency and none of them was assisted. I did harambees...

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the two counties will be an agenda in the forthcoming Kenya-Uganda Administrators/ Commissioners meeting which is scheduled to be held later this month.It is true that the Government has no provision for compensation of victims of cattle rustling. However, in accordance with the request by Sen. (Prof.) Lonyangapuo, the Government...

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Sen. Haji, that will be the last one.

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Thank you, Sen. Haji. That brings us to the end of Statements. If there are any further Statements, they will be issued in the afternoon. Next Order!

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want the Chairman to tell this Senate whether it is really the Government policy that anybody who is affected by cattle rustling should not be assisted at all. In his Statement, he said that there has been no compensation since Independence. I want to hear...

Sen. Haji, that will be the last one. The last contributor before we closed yesterday was Sen. (Dr.) Zani. So, the Floor is still open for this debate, which has a balance of two hours and fifteen minutes. Sen. Mong’are! Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am aware that there are...

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, is the hon. Senator in order to insinuate that the Committee for National Security and Foreign Affairs had made any remark about Westgate outside this House?

Mr. Speaker, Sir, with your permission, let us bring the response in a week’s time.

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Mr. Speaker, Sir, I do not have the Statement here but hopefully, we shall pursue the matter and issue a Statement soon.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, on Tuesday we summoned the Minister and we had very fruitful discussions and the Ministry should give us a Statement soon in view of the fact that the office is overwhelmed with requests for Statements both from here and from the National Assembly. I think it would...

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I think that the Clerks of the Committees should be giving extra copies to the Members, because it is not the Committee which prepares the Statements.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Speaker, Sir. On 26th September, 2013, Sen. Billow Kerrow requested for a statement regarding the attack at the District Officer’s (DOs) Headquarters in Mandera Town by a heavily armed militia where one administration police officer was killed and four others were injured. The hon. Senator wanted...

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. What hon. Billow has said, that there have been two other attacks, is quite unfortunate. However, with the increase in the number of police officers and the 7,000 police officers who are undergoing training, once the training is over, there will be nothing to stop...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I summoned the Cabinet Secretary on Tuesday and we agreed as a Committee – I do not want to accuse anybody – but both Members did not turn up to enable us to interrogate him. He was there and we did our best to interrogate him and...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, according to the code of regulations, retired people should not be employed when there are young able people who can be employed. Could I issue the other Statement?

Mr. Speaker, Sir, what I normally do in my Committee is to serve the whole HANSARD to the Cabinet Secretary so that he can go through and be able to react accordingly. So, the question of employing retired people from Nyeri to be deployed to Garissa, I think it is...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, regarding the question raised by Sen. Musila, requiring to know the number of people who have been killed in two years and the action that was taken, I would like to be given, at least, two weeks. I would like him to be patient in spite...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I was coming to that. Regarding the homeguards, as I answered Sen. Billow, I am aware that for the last one year, some homeguards were trained in some parts of northern Kenya. But up to now, they have not been armed. In spite of that, I...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, regarding the question raised by Sen. Karaba, I will also communicate. From my own experience, when I was a District Commissioner in Kiambu, there was a wave of crime in Tigoni. My Provincial Commissioner was none other than Sen. Musila. I met all the residents of...

Yes, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I have a Ministerial Statement on the efforts that the Government has taken to enhance security following the 2012 Baragoi massacre. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, Sen. Naisula Lesuuda requested for a Statement on the Government’s efforts to enhance security following the 2012 Baragoi massacre. The hon....

I am listening; I have two ears!

Thank you very much, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. The question raised by Sen. Lesuuda, as to who is speaking to whom, I think it is a very valid question. I am going to ask the Ministry to give us the answer as to which community is talking to which community....

On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. We were standing out of respect when you were talking.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, anyway, I concur with you. I will organize a meeting and invite the Cabinet Secretary so that he meets us during a Committee of the Whole to discuss the security situation in the country. The 47 of us have a county.

Yes, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, we will answer in a week’s time.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, if that will be your ruling, I will require not less than two weeks.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, as you have rightly observed, my enthusiasm in answering this questions stems from what happened few weeks ago in this House on my Committee.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have said that my enthusiasm, as you have rightly observed, stems from what happened a few weeks ago in this House on my Committee. SHOOTING OF PETER WANYONYI WANYAMA IN BUNGOMA COUNTY There is total commitment to ensure that the murder is properly investigated and no...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, before I started on the second Statement, I paused and turned--- (Laughter)

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. As to the question raised by my friend, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, I am not aware whether this murder has any political connections. Neither am I aware of this person who threatened the deceased a day before his death. If it is true that there was...

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I do not know whether I should start with you. However, because of seniority, I will start with your question. Mr. Speaker, Sir, these criminals are also very clever and crafty people. They will tend to hide even if it is hiding in...

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. It is not right for the Senator to say that the Government is not serious. The Government is serious. The current Inspector-General of Police was the head of the unit that the Speaker has talked about. Now that he is the Inspector-General...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have summoned the Cabinet Secretary. He will appear before my committee tomorrow. I will use that opportunity to address the issues. CLOSURE OF THE KENYA-SOMALIA BORDER Government is taking to ensure that this illegal practice ceases forthwith so that we create an environment for carrying out...

Hon. Senators, please, consult in low tones. (Loud consultations)

Hon. Senators, please, consult in low tones. Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Cabinet Secretary admitted that sugar and electronic goods are finding their way into the country. I find it difficult not to agree to the fact that we, as a country, are losing a lot of revenue because of the...

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. We are talking of a very grave situation of insecurity in this country. The head of the KDF has, indeed, agreed that some of his officers stole at the Westgate Mall and that two of them are being court marshalled. What I...

Order! I think let me help. Sen. Haji, when a Senator requests for further information, unless he has used some words that are not parliamentary, that is the only way you can respond in terms of saying it may not be admissible. But for them just to get that confirmation...

Bw. Spika, labda Sen. Haji hakumuelewa Sen. (Dr.) Machage kwa sababu amerudia tu yale maneno yaliyozungumzwa na Mkuu wa Majeshi kwamba ni kweli na ni dhahiri kwamba wanajeshi walipatikana kwa makosa ya kuiba. Wawili

wamefutwa kazi na mmoja amefungiwa katika jela yao na wanaendelea kuchunguza zaidi. Kwa hivyo, hili ni jambo ambalo limekubalika kwamba lilitokea.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, granted that the Chairman is not a member of the Executive in the Jubilee Coalition Government, who has told him that our soldiers who are known to be thieves have not been practicing the same trade---

Order, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale! Just because a few parliamentarians may be caught or taken to court because they stole does not make all of us thieves. So, I think a blanket condemnation like our soldiers are known to be thieves is too unkind. You can talk of “some”.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I stand corrected. What I meant is that granted that the Chairman is not a member of the Executive and granted that it is common knowledge, admitted by the Chief of General Staff, Gen. Karangi, that some of our officers are actually thieves, is he in order...

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. If some soldiers within the KDF may have stolen something from the Westgate Mall as it had been alleged and admitted by their boss, that does not apply to arms, particularly when we are discussing matters of sovereignty of this country in...

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I am so surprised with what my chairman is saying because I am a Member of that Committee. I am the one who actually proposed him to be the Chairman of that Committee and when he was being attacked here I defended...

Order all of you! First, Sen. (Dr.) Machage, you do not have to request for a Statement from the Chairman with such a shrill voice. The Chairman has been very supportive of most of the clarifications sought and, particularly, the way you walked back, the body language was very worrisome....

Order all of you! First, Sen. (Dr.) Machage, you do not have to request for a Statement from the Chairman with such a shrill voice. The Chairman has been very supportive of most of the clarifications sought and, particularly, the way you walked back, the body language was very worrisome....