Daniel Dickson Karaba

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have the Statement with me and I am waiting for your instructions. Can I go ahead in the absence of the Member who sought it?

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I also cannot understand why I have the Statement without you having a copy. I do not know who is to be blamed in this case; whether it is me because I was given---

It was handed to me.

By one of the officers here. I thought it came from your office but I am surprised that you do not have a copy. That can be checked later.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have copy of the Statement but I am sure I will be faced with the same predicament. I do not know whether you have a copy. If you do not have a copy, I have just received it. This is a statement we have been looking...

Thank you very much. (Statement deferred) FARMERS’ PREPAREDNESS FOR THE PLANTING SEASON

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November, 15 2016 SENATE DEBATES - THAT Clause 5 of the Bill be amended- November, 15 2016 SENATE DEBATES

- THAT Clause 6 the Bill be amended in the proposed new sub-section (4) by inserting the words “in consultation with the Council of Governors” immediately after the words “Teachers Service Commission”. (Question of the amendment proposed) The Temporary Chairperson (

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Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, thank you. I stand corrected. I beg to move that The Treaty Making and Ratification Act No. 45 of 2012 be read a Second Time. As I said earlier, the Constitution of Kenya Article 2 (6) states that:- “Any treaty or convention ratified by Kenya shall...

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Well done, Senator.

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I now call upon the Mover to reply.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I thank my colleagues for enriching the purpose this Bill seeks to achieve. As I said earlier, my colleagues emphasized the role of the Senate as stipulated in Article 96 (1) of the Constitution, which is to protect the interests of the counties and their governments....

Okay, it is deferred. THE WAREHOUSE RECEIPTS SYSTEM BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILL NO. 12 OF 2015)

(Bill deferred)I defer that order to tomorrow. COUNTRYWIDE AUDIT ON THE DISTRIBUTION OF TEACHERS IN ALL PUBLIC

Sen. Khaniri is not there. So, I defer it. November, 15 2016 SENATE DEBATES CREATION OF THE OFFICE OF AN AUDITOR TO SPECIFICALLY AUDIT THE BASIC EDUCATION INSTITUTIONS’ FUNDS

(Motion deferred)Sen. (Prof.) Lonyangapuo is also not there. It is deferred. INSTALLATION OF CCTV CAMERAS IN ALL POLICE STATIONS AND POLICE POSTS November, 15 2016 SENATE DEBATES

(Motion deferred)Sen. (Eng.) Muriuki is also a Member of County Public Accounts and Investments Committee (CPAIC) . I think they are meeting somewhere. It is deferred. IMPLEMENTATION OF THE POLICY STATEMENTS AND STRATEGIES MADE IN THE NATIONAL SPECIAL NEEDS EDUCATION POLICY FRAMEWORK

(Motion deferred)Since this is my Motion, and, I cannot see other Members of the Chairperson’s Panel, there is no way I can move when I am the Chair. So, it is deferred also. November, 15 2016 SENATE DEBATES ADJOURNMENT

Hon. Senators, there being no other business, the Senate stands adjourned until tomorrow, Wednesday 16th, November, 2016, at 2.30 p.m. The House rose at 4.50 p.m.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, as the Chairperson of the Committee on Education, let me take this opportunity to welcome, appreciate and acknowledge the students from Nginda Girls’ Secondary School. Having come all the way from Murang’a County to this Senate is a clear representation of what should happen to many of...

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Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. Last week, I was asked by the Speaker to issue the statement which was requested by Sen. Bule today at

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I was in the House last week when the Chair of the Committee on Education wriggled us about the situation of this Statement. If I recall, the Chair told us that he went into the Office of the Cabinet Secretary and saw the Statement. The only...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, the last time we received a Statement from the Ministry of Education, Science and Technology, it was signed by one Prof. Collete Suda, who is the Principal Secretary, State Department of Higher Education in the Ministry of Education, Science and Technology. It was read and accepted...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, all the officers in the department, including Prof. Collete Suda are involved in the supervision of examinations. She has not been in the office the whole of last week. This week, she will still not be there. The Principal Secretaries have been dispatched to various destinations...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, last week, there was a ruling by the Speaker that the Statement should be issued today notwithstanding the fact that it was lying in the Cabinet Secretary’s desk or that he was away. The Chair made a ruling that the Statement should be produced. If the...

However, it is important to note that the Senator who sought the Statement is not in the House. I hope that this has not confused Sen. M. Kajwang since you share one name. Kindly, confirm that you did not share the second name. Therefore, this was a statement sought by...

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. Last week, I was asked by the Speaker to issue the statement which was requested by Sen. Bule today at THE PHYSICAL PLANNING BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILL NO.46 OF 2015) November 8, 2016 SENATE DEBATES

Mover is not present. So, we defer it. THE TREATY MAKING AND RATIFICATION (AMENDMENT) BILL (SENATE BILL NO.46 OF 2015) THE IMPEACHMENT PROCEDURE BILL (SENATE BILL NO.8 OF 2016) COUNTRYWIDE AUDIT OF THE DISTRIBUTION OF TEACHERS IN ALL PUBLIC CREATION OF THE OFFICE OF AN AUDITOR TO SPECIFICALLY AUDIT THE...

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Mr. Speaker, Sir, my shock is that this question has been here for the last two months. If we are going to establish which committee is going to handle it now, we are already very late. If that is true, it would set a very bad precedence in the sense...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, much as I support that the Statement should be issued today because we are here and some of us are victims of what is happening out there, I had also sought a statement which is almost related to this one the previous week. Since I was not...

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I also take this opportunity to welcome the delegation from Nandi to the Senate. If they have been to the National Assembly, they will note that there is a difference. This is a serious House that listens to and appreciates visitors. I was to issue...

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for allowing me to issue this statement which has been overdue and has taken me a lot of time to search for it, and I am happy that I have succeeded. I can see Sen. Sang is here accompanied by his voters. This statement is...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, it is true that Prof. Laban Oyiro is the current Acting Vice Chancellor at Moi University. As a matter of fact, there are two substantively appointed Deputy Vice Chancellors; Prof. Okech and Prof. Kimengich. It is, therefore, not true to say that the Vice Chancellor and two...

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Hon. Senators, let us proceed. We have done so much work. Let us finish it. (Sen. Ndiema headed to the exit of the Chamber) Order, Sen. Ndiema! Before you bow and go out, let me make my proposal. We have a very short time to go. We can pass both...

Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir, I beg to move that the Committee do report to the Senate its consideration of the Reproductive Health Care Bill (Senate Bill No.17 of 2014) and its approval thereof with amendments. (Question proposed) (Question put and agreed to) (The House resumed) [The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kembi-Gitura)...

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I rise to respond to the request for a Statement by Sen. (Prof.) Lesan. He wanted to know the status of farmers’ money placed by the Kenya Tea Development Agency (KTDA) in fixed accounts in troubled banks. This Statement was circulated to Members yesterday. It...

Order Sen. Karaba!

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of approved banks in June 2011. An initial investment limit of Kshs500 million was imposed but this limit was reviewed in subsequent years. By June 2015, the approved limit for Imperial Bank Limited was Kshs3 billion. At the time Imperial Bank Limited was placed under receivership on 13th October, 2015,...

Asante sana Bw. Spika. Naunga mkono Statement ambayo imeulizwa na Sen. Bule. Kaunti ya Kwale imetajwa na ningependa Mwenyekiti atueleze hatua za dharura ambazo zimepangwa kuhakikisha kwamba wanadamu na Wanyama hawaathiriki. Kuna hatua za mwanzo kabla daktari achukue hatamu.Hatua za mwanzo ni zipi? Asante.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, as the Chair addresses the mitigation sought by Sen. Bule, we should also be told how much food is in our strategic grain reserve. We should also know whether some money has been set aside to purchase the livestock in those areas instead of leaving them to...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, Sen. Boy Juma Boy has said what I wanted to say. However, I will add that Kitui County should be included because I was recently there and I saw it is doing badly. With regard to the first aid, we should know the special mechanisms which have...

So ordered. October 19, 2016 SENATE DEBATES VISITING DELEGATION FROM MIANGENI INTERNATIONAL ACADEMY, MAKUENI COUNTY (Applause)

Hold it. Let us finish with the interventions on welcoming the visitors.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I take this opportunity to welcome the visiting school. As a Senator living with a disability, I am so happy. I have been wondering when I would see students living with disabilities visiting the Senate, but the day has come. I am happy and humbled. I...

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influential politically but resource wise and institutional-wise, you have nothing. You do not have legs - leave alone that statue we talk about in the Bible. It must have been king Nebuchadnezzar or someone who saw a statue with parts of clay, bronze and gold. A Senator has feet of...

Bw. Spika wa Muda, ninakushukuru sana kwa kunipa fursa hii. Mimi nataka kuunga mkono Hoja hii ili sisi tuweze kwenda likizo fupi hadi tarehe 1 Novemba, 2016. Ninaunga mkono sababu zilizotolewa na Sen. Karaba na Sen. Wetangula ambaye ni kiongozi wa wachache hapa Bungeni na Seneta wa Bungoma Kaunti. Mimi...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, in two weeks’ time, I will be able to deliver the Statement. However, could I respond now to Sen. Wetangula’s Statement? I know some of the answers. The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Wetangula) : They are not your answers that you are giving but those of the...

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Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise to seek a Statement pursuant to Standing Order No. 45 (2) (b) , from the Chairperson of the Standing Committee on Education. This is in regard to corporal punishment in training institutions. In the statement, the Chairperson should explain:- CORPORAL PUNISHMENT IN TRAINING INSTITUTIONS

order, Chairman! Sen. Wetangula’s matter had been disposed. Why do you have to keep bringing it? order, Chairman! Sen. Wetangula’s matter had been disposed. Why do you have to keep bringing it? Mr. Speaker, Sir, give me two weeks.

So, directed. (Sen. (Prof.) Anyang'-Nyong'o stood in his place) What is it Sen. (Prof.) Anyang'-Nyong'o? (Sen. (Prof.) Anyang'-Nyong'o spoke off record)

Sorry.

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. You heard the way the Chairman was responding carelessly. This issue has been in the media, intensely debated and we hear that the Ministry had even intervened. Is it in order for the Chairperson to ask for two weeks? That is something...

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Mr. Speaker, Sir, in two weeks’ time, I will be able to deliver the Statement. However, could I respond now to Sen. Wetangula’s Statement? I know some of the answers. The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Wetangula) : They are not your answers that you are giving but those of the...

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Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise to seek a Statement pursuant to Standing Order No. 45 (2) (b) , from the Chairperson of the Standing Committee on Education. This is in regard to corporal punishment in training institutions. In the statement, the Chairperson should explain:- CORPORAL PUNISHMENT IN TRAINING INSTITUTIONS

order, Chairman! Sen. Wetangula’s matter had been disposed. Why do you have to keep bringing it? order, Chairman! Sen. Wetangula’s matter had been disposed. Why do you have to keep bringing it? Mr. Speaker, Sir, give me two weeks.

So, directed. (Sen. (Prof.) Anyang'-Nyong'o stood in his place) What is it Sen. (Prof.) Anyang'-Nyong'o? (Sen. (Prof.) Anyang'-Nyong'o spoke off record)

Sorry.

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. You heard the way the Chairman was responding carelessly. This issue has been in the media, intensely debated and we hear that the Ministry had even intervened. Is it in order for the Chairperson to ask for two weeks? That is something...

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amounts of money for ghost workers and there is no such provision in the law. We are looking at that as the CPAIC.There are some people in the Treasury who believe in centralism. Those are the people who are out to kill devolution. It is incumbent upon this House, which...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, thank you for giving me this opportunity. First, I must congratulate Governor (Dr.) Kidero. We have a similar problem in Isiolo because we have three military camps and we face a lot of challenges. This issue has been raised several times to the national Government and...

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Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want to join my colleagues in congratulating Mr. Gideon Keter for bringing this petition to the Senate. Agriculture as indicated by our colleagues is what sustains the economy of this country. I come from Nandi County where farmers spend a lot of their resources in...

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Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, this Statement has been lying in their offices for the last four months. This is a serious issue and is a threat to you and your children and the country. It is sad that the Statement has been lying there for the last four months. Now...

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Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I want to confirm that I will relay the message to the Chairperson of the Committee on Implementation. Fortunately, I am a Member of that Committee and this was one of the issues that we dealt with today. I can confirm that before the next two...

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I had raised a similar issue when you gave me an opportunity. Is the Chairman in order not to give a definite answer to the questions that are being sought by Members? He must tell us that the Cabinet Secretary will...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I have a lot respect for the Chairman, a former principal and, in fact, a man who has never supported the issue of certificates to students. In line with what you ruled on Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki’s question, can we specifically ask the Chairman to ensure that...

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. You have revealed all my names in their order, and even added the title ‘professor’. I hope it is a blessing. There are two issues here. The first issue is the legal aspect; the law and the Act that has been passed. The second...

had already been put in place - but the real problem was the follow up. This is a problem that we also experience when it comes to capping fees. You will find that secondary schools fees have been capped, but headteachers still continue to charge higher fees.We are moving away...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I want to confirm that I will relay the message to the Chairperson of the Committee on Implementation. Fortunately, I am a Member of that Committee and this was one of the issues that we dealt with today. I can confirm that before the next two...

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Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I did not request to talk. Does that mean that you are not making any appeals as to the direction to drop the Kenya Medical Supplies Authority (Amendment) Bill?

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. What is your point of order, Sen. (Dr.) Zani? Who is your Seconder?

Very well. (Question proposed)

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I support that the House do agree with the Committee in the said report and also to commend this particular amendment in terms of the dynamism that the changes within the counties and the way people are interpreting what is happening there and the...

of the things that are key for us, as Senate. I commend Sen. Karaba and Sen. Mwakulegwa for making these considerations for this specific amendment of the physical change of location for county headquarters. ………… (Words expunged at the order of the Temporary Speaker) Sen. Karaba, you are the Mover...

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Okay, you can give it now.

Sen. Sang, is one month okay with you?

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, sometimes Senators seeking statements are a little bit disadvantaged because the riders that my fellow colleagues have sought with regard to my statement--- it is those riders that require some bit of time. If you look at what I am asking, it does not take more...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I thank the Chairman for the elaborate answer. However, I would like to raise two issues in respect to the answer given. I would like him to indicate whether the necessary steps have been taken to include the Kenyenye-Nyansembe Road section in the ongoing...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, once again, I thank Sen. Hargura for this answer. However, you have heard him inform this Senate that there is an ongoing study being carried out through PPP. I would like to know when this feasibility study is expected to be complete. If he could give...

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Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I would like to get a clarification, noting that this is a road I use almost every weekend. It is not once that we have had to spend the night on the road due to the congestion. It is not limited to Naivasha, but even at...

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I would like to ask two questions. The first one is whether the Senatorial office in Nyeri County had anything to do with the reconciliatory process in the county. Secondly, I wanted to know whether the list of the officers that is given in this...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am not rising on a point of order, but I have a very important question that I want to ask the County Assembly of Nyeri. This is the fourth year of devolution. The County Assembly of Nyeri has not been born today. It has been there...