Anthony Kimani Ichung'wah

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Yes. The consistent presence of petitions on hardship requires you to speak to the Executive to formulate regulations that are clear, determinate, understandable and bring to you, perhaps, through the Committee on Delegated Legislation, so that you can debate and set the criteria on what...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Yes. The consistent presence of petitions on hardship requires you to speak to the Executive to formulate regulations that are clear, determinate, understandable and bring to you, perhaps, through the Committee on Delegated Legislation, so that you can debate and set the criteria on what...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Yes. The consistent presence of petitions on hardship requires you to speak to the Executive to formulate regulations that are clear, determinate, understandable and bring to you, perhaps, through the Committee on Delegated Legislation, so that you can debate and set the criteria on what...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Yes. The consistent presence of petitions on hardship requires you to speak to the Executive to formulate regulations that are clear, determinate, understandable and bring to you, perhaps, through the Committee on Delegated Legislation, so that you can debate and set the criteria on what...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, first I want to propose a further amendment on Clause 20 (b) by deleting the last words, “by the Ministry responsible for Public Service, Performance and Delivery Management” to read: “by the National Government”. The sentence will read thus: “on the basis...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I want the Chairperson to take us slowly. I got the first bit. Can he take us sub-clause by sub-clause? He is reading his justification in a very jumbled up manner. His justification on the first clause is clear. I need clarification...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I want to move a further amendment. Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 27 of the Bill be amended in sub-clause (2) by adding the words “and the conduct of the National Lottery” immediately after the word “gambling” appearing...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you. You know I have also been pausing to listen to you when you interrupt me. That is why I am begging your indulgence for two more minutes. 30th November 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 42 Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) If we were to...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : What is your point of order, Leader of the Majority Party? Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, since the Chairman does not want to be informed, let...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I seek your indulgence. I rise under Standing Order 53 to request that we defer putting the Question to the next sitting.

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) On a point of information, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Would you like to be informed by the Leader of the Majority Party?

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I have heard the justification. Clause 2 defines the term “Cabinet Secretary” as the Cabinet Secretary for the time being responsible for matters related to national lotteries. The Chairperson has just said that the Cabinet Secretary for Interior and National Administration will...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I am very proud to represent the good people of Kikuyu even as we serve the rest of the country. I rise to support this Motion on the National Tax Policy. This National Tax Policy is one of the measures...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Speaker, Kenyans must begin to ask themselves how we arrived at that situation where we spend 95 per cent of our tax refunds on two companies dealing with bread and milk. When I spoke about instituting a State capture commission, I meant business....

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move that the House reports its consideration of the National Lottery Bill (National Assembly Bill No.69 of 2023) and its approval thereof with amendments. (Question proposed) (Question put and agreed to) (The House resumed) IN THE HOUSE CONSIDERATION OF...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I persuade the Chairperson to drop the last sub-clause that says: “ (3) The Board shall, while proposing and determining the allocation, set the criteria and conditions for accessing the Fund, ensure equitable distribution across the country including allocations to state and...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I want to propose a further amendment to sub-clause (4) which talks of “based on satisfactory performance” immediately after the words “one further term of three years”. This makes the law very subjective. How do you tell what is satisfactory performance? If...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I have been convinced by the Hon. Chairman that mutatis mutandis is not in place but ‘with necessary modifications’ can work. Let me support the Hon. Chairman. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Thank you. Hon. Catherine Omanyo.

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) We pushed the Chair to move Clause 2 when he was still perusing his papers. So, he has not given us any justification. Before we decide, it is only fair that we hear the justification. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Chairman, this...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said Report. I request the Member for Kabete, who is the Vice-Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Sports and Culture, Hon. Githua Wamacukuru, to second the Motion for...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) I am laughing because the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Education has now taken over the work of the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Sports and Culture. He is dropping an amendment without the owner dropping it. He should be persuading the Chairman...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you. I thank Members who have sat throughout the Committee of the whole House. This is where actual legislation is done. I must commend all Members. I hope they will all be present on Tuesday afternoon to testify to what the few Members present...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) We will advise them on appeal. I am certain that the able lawyers led by our senior Sir George, Member for Tharaka Constituency, will be articulating these issues. In fact, I called Hon. Murugara and some of our legal counsels to ask them if they...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I object. You know, we are legislating and law is legalese. The lawyers in the Committee should have explained to the Members what is mutatis mutandis. I was actually going to google. Any layman like myself can google what mutatis mutandis means....

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I particularly support the deletion of sub-clause (3) , which was exempting the prize monies paid under this Act from Income Tax. In fact, my view was that this would have been a very unconstitutional provision in the Bill. Therefore, I support....

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA)(Technical hitch)Hon. Temporary Speaker, allow me to take this opportunity to thank Members of the Departmental Committee on Sports and Culture and all Members who have sat…

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I particularly support the deletion of sub-clause (3) , which was exempting the prize monies paid under this Act from Income Tax. In fact, my view was that this would have been a very unconstitutional provision in the Bill. Therefore, I support....

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, first I want to propose a further amendment on Clause 20 (b) by deleting the last words, “by the Ministry responsible for Public Service, Performance and Delivery Management” to read: “by the National Government”. The sentence will read thus: “on the basis...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I have been convinced by the Hon. Chairman that mutatis mutandis is not in place but ‘with necessary modifications’ can work. Let me support the Hon. Chairman. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Thank you. Hon. Catherine Omanyo.

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I have heard the justification. Clause 2 defines the term “Cabinet Secretary” as the Cabinet Secretary for the time being responsible for matters related to national lotteries. The Chairperson has just said that the Cabinet Secretary for Interior and National Administration will...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I want to move a further amendment. Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 27 of the Bill be amended in sub-clause (2) by adding the words “and the conduct of the National Lottery” immediately after the word “gambling” appearing...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) I am laughing because the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Education has now taken over the work of the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Sports and Culture. He is dropping an amendment without the owner dropping it. He should be persuading the Chairman...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I object. You know, we are legislating and law is legalese. The lawyers in the Committee should have explained to the Members what is mutatis mutandis. I was actually going to google. Any layman like myself can google what mutatis mutandis means....

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Speaker, Kenyans must begin to ask themselves how we arrived at that situation where we spend 95 per cent of our tax refunds on two companies dealing with bread and milk. When I spoke about instituting a State capture commission, I meant business....

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I want the Chairperson to take us slowly. I got the first bit. Can he take us sub-clause by sub-clause? He is reading his justification in a very jumbled up manner. His justification on the first clause is clear. I need clarification...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA)(Technical hitch)Hon. Temporary Speaker, allow me to take this opportunity to thank Members of the Departmental Committee on Sports and Culture and all Members who have sat…

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you. You know I have also been pausing to listen to you when you interrupt me. That is why I am begging your indulgence for two more minutes. 30th November 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 42 Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) If we were to...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I want to propose a further amendment to sub-clause (4) which talks of “based on satisfactory performance” immediately after the words “one further term of three years”. This makes the law very subjective. How do you tell what is satisfactory performance? If...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : What is your point of order, Leader of the Majority Party? Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, since the Chairman does not want to be informed, let...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move that the House reports its consideration of the National Lottery Bill (National Assembly Bill No.69 of 2023) and its approval thereof with amendments. (Question proposed) (Question put and agreed to) (The House resumed) IN THE HOUSE CONSIDERATION OF...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I seek your indulgence. I rise under Standing Order 53 to request that we defer putting the Question to the next sitting.

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) We will advise them on appeal. I am certain that the able lawyers led by our senior Sir George, Member for Tharaka Constituency, will be articulating these issues. In fact, I called Hon. Murugara and some of our legal counsels to ask them if they...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) On a point of information, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Would you like to be informed by the Leader of the Majority Party?

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I persuade the Chairperson to drop the last sub-clause that says: “ (3) The Board shall, while proposing and determining the allocation, set the criteria and conditions for accessing the Fund, ensure equitable distribution across the country including allocations to state and...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) We pushed the Chair to move Clause 2 when he was still perusing his papers. So, he has not given us any justification. Before we decide, it is only fair that we hear the justification. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Chairman, this...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I am very proud to represent the good people of Kikuyu even as we serve the rest of the country. I rise to support this Motion on the National Tax Policy. This National Tax Policy is one of the measures...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said Report. I request the Member for Kabete, who is the Vice-Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Sports and Culture, Hon. Githua Wamacukuru, to second the Motion for...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you. I thank Members who have sat throughout the Committee of the whole House. This is where actual legislation is done. I must commend all Members. I hope they will all be present on Tuesday afternoon to testify to what the few Members present...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA)He normally sits here.

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Today is one of those bad days. The Chairman of the Public Petitions Committee is very diligent. He is always here. I see him there all the time. Can you direct him to bring the response to the Petition by Chiforomodo before we recess? Hon....

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA)

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Unfortunately, it is three in a population of 349 Members of the National Assembly and about 67 Senators. So, in a population of about 500 people, you can count three or four Members. If you go to the population outside there in our villages, it...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Speaker, just for the record, the re-committal of Clause 48 is because there cannot be concurrent investigations being conducted by reporting authorities and the EACC. For instance, a judge who is being investigated by the Judicial Service Commission (JSC) as the reporting authority...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I have listened to the amendment by the Hon. Chairman on behalf of the Committee. He is leaving dependent children and removing the spouse, and I am just wondering whether your spouse is part of you, or they are construed to be...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I want to beg Members, including Hon. Kaluma, to listen to me. He has not been listening to what Hon. Mutuse has been telling him. First, there was an earlier amendment to Clause 25 to delete the entire Clause, which was defeated....

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said report. I request Hon. Mukunji to second the Motion for agreement with the Report of the Committee of the whole House.

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Yes, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. That is what I wanted to clarify. The responsible commission, other than everybody reporting to EACC. Parliamentarians will deposit theirs with the Parliamentary Service Commission, and those in the Judiciary will deposit theirs with the Judicial Service Commission. This is to...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said Report. I also request Hon. Owen Baya to second the Motion for agreement with the Report of the Committee of the whole House. I do not know if...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) I confirm that we agreed with the Chairman that we carry his amendment. This is one of the issues that were of great concern to almost everybody during the Second Reading. We cannot export our public duty to our families including our great-grandchildren, grandmothers, aunties,...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Speaker, I beg to move that the Gambling Control Bill (National Assembly Bill No.70 of 2023) be now read a Second Time. This Bill is related to the National Lottery Bill, 2023, which went through its Second Reading in today’s Morning Sitting. This Bill...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) I was actually lost but I have been guided by the Chairperson. Just to clarify, for Hon. Mwenje’s interest, Clause 19 (1) indicates that a public officer shall not be a party to or beneficiary of contract for the supply of goods, works or services...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move that the House do report its consideration of the Conflict of Interest Bill (National Assembly Bill No.12 of 2023) and its approval thereof with amendments. (Question proposed) (Question put and agreed to) 29th November 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) I have already justified. I do not know why the Clerk wants me to say it again. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha Wangari) : I will put the Question. 29th November 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 76 Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA)be added, put and agreed...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA)

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Unfortunately, it is three in a population of 349 Members of the National Assembly and about 67 Senators. So, in a population of about 500 people, you can count three or four Members. If you go to the population outside there in our villages, it...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Speaker, just for the record, the re-committal of Clause 48 is because there cannot be concurrent investigations being conducted by reporting authorities and the EACC. For instance, a judge who is being investigated by the Judicial Service Commission (JSC) as the reporting authority...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I have listened to the amendment by the Hon. Chairman on behalf of the Committee. He is leaving dependent children and removing the spouse, and I am just wondering whether your spouse is part of you, or they are construed to be...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I want to beg Members, including Hon. Kaluma, to listen to me. He has not been listening to what Hon. Mutuse has been telling him. First, there was an earlier amendment to Clause 25 to delete the entire Clause, which was defeated....

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said report. I request Hon. Mukunji to second the Motion for agreement with the Report of the Committee of the whole House.

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Yes, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. That is what I wanted to clarify. The responsible commission, other than everybody reporting to EACC. Parliamentarians will deposit theirs with the Parliamentary Service Commission, and those in the Judiciary will deposit theirs with the Judicial Service Commission. This is to...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said Report. I also request Hon. Owen Baya to second the Motion for agreement with the Report of the Committee of the whole House. I do not know if...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) I confirm that we agreed with the Chairman that we carry his amendment. This is one of the issues that were of great concern to almost everybody during the Second Reading. We cannot export our public duty to our families including our great-grandchildren, grandmothers, aunties,...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Speaker, I beg to move that the Gambling Control Bill (National Assembly Bill No.70 of 2023) be now read a Second Time. This Bill is related to the National Lottery Bill, 2023, which went through its Second Reading in today’s Morning Sitting. This Bill...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) I was actually lost but I have been guided by the Chairperson. Just to clarify, for Hon. Mwenje’s interest, Clause 19 (1) indicates that a public officer shall not be a party to or beneficiary of contract for the supply of goods, works or services...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move that the House do report its consideration of the Conflict of Interest Bill (National Assembly Bill No.12 of 2023) and its approval thereof with amendments. (Question proposed) (Question put and agreed to) 29th November 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) I have already justified. I do not know why the Clerk wants me to say it again. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha Wangari) : I will put the Question. 29th November 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 76 Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA)be added, put and agreed...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Yes, Hon. Speaker. I have a Statement that I wish to read. First, allow me to thank you for leading the Kenyan delegation to the 16th Meeting of the Bureau of Speakers of the East African Community (EAC) and the East African Legislative Assembly (EALA)...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Let me first thank Senior Counsel, Hon. Otiende Amollo, for those issues and, indeed, confirm that Hon. Otiende Amollo wrote a very detailed letter with all those 13 or 14 issues. He copied my Office, and I remember Hon. Speaker discussing...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) At times tempers flare up here, especially between Hon. Junet and me. I am not sure I could be trusted with a firearm nor can I trust Hon. Junet carrying a firearm into the Chamber. You have also touched on dress code, which is very...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Speaker, I will not name them. However, should the same be repeated, I will relay the names to your office so that you can also act. If the same happens again, let me just say it loud and clear that I will name you...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Let me also commend you for that very well-reasoned ruling. You have touched on other very critical issues like Members who carry firearms. Indeed, it is worrying if any Member would even fathom walking into the Chamber with a firearm.

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Speaker, I mentioned that the Hon. Murugara, the Chair of the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs, is not in the House. To hear one of his Members, the Hon. Junet Mohamed, who from the records never 28th November 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA)

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Speaker, I mentioned that the Hon. Murugara, the Chair of the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs, is not in the House. To hear one of his Members, the Hon. Junet Mohamed, who from the records never 28th November 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA)

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) At times tempers flare up here, especially between Hon. Junet and me. I am not sure I could be trusted with a firearm nor can I trust Hon. Junet carrying a firearm into the Chamber. You have also touched on dress code, which is very...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Speaker, I will not name them. However, should the same be repeated, I will relay the names to your office so that you can also act. If the same happens again, let me just say it loud and clear that I will name you...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Let me also commend you for that very well-reasoned ruling. You have touched on other very critical issues like Members who carry firearms. Indeed, it is worrying if any Member would even fathom walking into the Chamber with a firearm.