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Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker, my point of order was not about the merits of the Motion on the Floor. Earlier today, this House passed the sitting for this time. It is out of order for a Member of Parliament to say that our sitting at this...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker, my point of order was not about the merits of the Motion on the Floor. Earlier today, this House passed the sitting for this time. It is out of order for a Member of Parliament to say that our sitting at this...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker, my point of order was not about the merits of the Motion on the Floor. Earlier today, this House passed the sitting for this time. It is out of order for a Member of Parliament to say that our sitting at this...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, debate on this Bill will continue next time it is slated in the Order Paper. ADJOURNMENT The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, the time being 1.00

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mayaka, I do not know if you want to take two minutes. Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Gichimu, there is a chance for two minutes. Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Say that “you second”.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) After such eloquent moving and seconding of the Bill, I will now propose the Question. (Question proposed) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) On my requests dashboard, I can see Hon. Gichimu, Hon. Saney and Hon. Mayaka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, debate on this Bill will continue next time it is slated in the Order Paper. ADJOURNMENT The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, the time being 1.00

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mayaka, I do not know if you want to take two minutes. Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Gichimu, there is a chance for two minutes. Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Say that “you second”.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) After such eloquent moving and seconding of the Bill, I will now propose the Question. (Question proposed) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) On my requests dashboard, I can see Hon. Gichimu, Hon. Saney and Hon. Mayaka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Chairperson of the Committee.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Seme, you have spoken to this matter enough times. Nevertheless, go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Nyenze. I think you will be the last one on this matter.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ikiara.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mrembo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Makali Mulu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Dawood.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I can confirm that what the honourable Member is wearing may look like a blanket, but it is a very fine coat. Hon. Elisha, if you are admiring the coat, then you will approach Hon. DK. He will take you to the shop, then...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. DK, are you wearing a blanket? Can you tell us what you are wearing?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Jematiah.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Naomi Waqo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Pukose.

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mrembo, go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Mover of the Bill, Hon. Millie.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, the time now is 1.01

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Gachagua, I would like to interrupt you. You will start from Clause 7 next time. The Clerks-at-the-Table will note the time you have spent then you will pick up from there next time.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I hope you noted Hon. Millie's contribution about recognition of prior learning. She said it is a very key matter. The decision on this Bill at Second Reading will be done next time. We will put the Question the next time this Bill is...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, looking at the clock, I am inclined to agree with Hon. Kihungi. Order Hon. Mayaka. She was here, put her 5th November 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 44 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)card and then withdrew it. That is not how we...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order. Let us have Hon. Kihungi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Sitienei, you did not indicate that you wanted to speak, you did not tell anybody that you did not have a card. So, we are all wondering. This is a chance for you to make your contribution

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Suba North, Hon. Millie Odhiambo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Seme.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ikiara, you have a chance. I can see you on the board. I have held Hon. Ikiara for quite a while.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member for Mandera West.

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Bartoo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay. Hon. Dawood.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Sorry, Hon. Dawood. Hon.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Dawood.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Let us hear from the other Hon. Makali. There are two Makalis, one from the East and one from the West. This is Hon. Makali from the West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Let us have the Member for Yatta.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Matayos, Hon. Odanga.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You are definitely not Hon. Kibagendi, are you? (Hon. Patrick Osero spoke off the record) No. Take your seat. (Hon. Patrick Osero spoke off the record) 5th November 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 30 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Oh! You are Hon. Patrick Kibagendi....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. I also join Members because I have been here since 2013 and this has taken a while. It feels nice sitting here knowing that we have moved so far, especially with this particular Bill. Hon. Millie Odhiambo, thank you very much for...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next is the Member for Eldas.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Mayaka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Chairperson of the Committee.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Seme, you have spoken to this matter enough times. Nevertheless, go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Nyenze. I think you will be the last one on this matter.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ikiara.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mrembo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Makali Mulu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Dawood.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I can confirm that what the honourable Member is wearing may look like a blanket, but it is a very fine coat. Hon. Elisha, if you are admiring the coat, then you will approach Hon. DK. He will take you to the shop, then...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. DK, are you wearing a blanket? Can you tell us what you are wearing?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Jematiah.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Naomi Waqo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Pukose.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. CNN. 5th November 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 23

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mrembo, go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Mover of the Bill, Hon. Millie.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, the time now is 1.01

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Gachagua, I would like to interrupt you. You will start from Clause 7 next time. The Clerks-at-the-Table will note the time you have spent then you will pick up from there next time.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I hope you noted Hon. Millie's contribution about recognition of prior learning. She said it is a very key matter. The decision on this Bill at Second Reading will be done next time. We will put the Question the next time this Bill is...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, looking at the clock, I am inclined to agree with Hon. Kihungi. Order Hon. Mayaka. She was here, put her 5th November 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 44 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)card and then withdrew it. That is not how we...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order. Let us have Hon. Kihungi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Sitienei, you did not indicate that you wanted to speak, you did not tell anybody that you did not have a card. So, we are all wondering. This is a chance for you to make your contribution

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Suba North, Hon. Millie Odhiambo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Seme.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ikiara, you have a chance. I can see you on the board. I have held Hon. Ikiara for quite a while.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member for Mandera West.

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Bartoo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay. Hon. Dawood.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Sorry, Hon. Dawood. Hon.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Dawood.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Let us hear from the other Hon. Makali. There are two Makalis, one from the East and one from the West. This is Hon. Makali from the West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Let us have the Member for Yatta.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Matayos, Hon. Odanga.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You are definitely not Hon. Kibagendi, are you? (Hon. Patrick Osero spoke off the record) No. Take your seat. (Hon. Patrick Osero spoke off the record) 5th November 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 30 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Oh! You are Hon. Patrick Kibagendi....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. I also join Members because I have been here since 2013 and this has taken a while. It feels nice sitting here knowing that we have moved so far, especially with this particular Bill. Hon. Millie Odhiambo, thank you very much for...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next is the Member for Eldas.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Mayaka.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I wish Hon. Raila had lived longer. He was such a blessed man, who immensely blessed our country and people. He blessed me too. His life is synonymous with Kenya’s history. His struggles were our struggles. His triumphs...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I wish Hon. Raila had lived longer. He was such a blessed man, who immensely blessed our country and people. He blessed me too. His life is synonymous with Kenya’s history. His struggles were our struggles. His triumphs...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The next one is the Member for Mandera South, Hon. Abdul Haro.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. If we would all be as brief as the Member for Nyandarua, then more Members will have an opportunity to speak. The next in line is the Member for Nyaribari Masaba, Hon. Manduku.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The next speaker is the Member of Nyandarua. 16th October 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 20

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next in line is the Member for Msambweni.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Ahsante. The Hon. Dorothy Ikiara.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Matuga.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Butula.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Dagoretti South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. So that you know, the next Members to speak are as per the board. Next is Member for Nambale, followed by the Member for Dagoretti South, then the Member for Butula. Those three in that order. Member for Nambale.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Next is the Member of Aldai.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Members. I think it is fair to allow the Member of Parliament for Bondo, who is also Raila Odinga's Member of Parliament, to be listened to. This is a very solemn moment. It is not a moment where someone will be contributing, and...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member of Bondo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, I request you to avoid coming to talk to me. Sitaki pressure. I do not want pressure from Members. I will follow the list that is here. I will follow what Hon. Speaker was doing. I request Members to avoid approaching the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next is Member for Marakwet East.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Endebess.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Njoro.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I told you that will not happen. The next person on the list to speak is the Member for Limuru and thereafter, the Members for Igembe North, Tigania West and Marakwet West, in that order. I can assure you that it will remain that...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, if we could do three minutes or less each, we will probably have more time. I would then be extending a few minutes, but you can get more. Eng John Kiragu (Limuru, UDA) : Thank you, Hon. Speaker, for giving me the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next one on the list is Hon. Member for Igembe North, Hon. Taitumu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng’) Hon. Member for Tigania West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng’) Order. Those Hon. Members who are leaving, I want to make a ruling. To those Hon. Members who have logged in, do not remove your cards so that when we resume in the afternoon, you do not have to queue again. I think that...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Emurua Dikirr.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Wachira Karani.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said, very brief and to the point. Member for Mavoko.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Member for Uriri is next followed by the Member for Maara. The next one in the requests’ list is the Member for Endebess. 16th October 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 24

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. The Member for Maara was next.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Sunkuli.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I can see the names of the Members who were on the queue to speak. Please, come on time in the afternoon so that you are not skipped. I can see Hon. Richard Yegon, Hon. Parashina, all the way down to Hon. Ruweida. Just...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. (Dr) Nyikal, finally, for the morning.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. We will have the Member for Bureti and close after the Member for Seme this morning.