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Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I have just been looking at the latest amendments, that is, Clauses 26, 27 and 28 vis-à-vis the… (Hon. David Ochieng’ spoke while seated) The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Hon. Ochieng’, please be up standing. Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya,...

Hon. David Ochieng (Ugenya, MDG) On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : What is out of order, Hon. Ochieng? Hon. David Ochieng (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I am just wondering whether at this stage we can have that. This is...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Nabii.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The next Bill that was considered this morning is the Cotton Industry Development Bill. CONSIDERATION OF REPORT ON THE COTTON INDUSTRY BILL The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Temporary Chairlady.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, the primary reason for this Bill is to revive the failed cotton industry. Our history as a country has shown that every time we introduce a levy, the body that we are creating here today will be looking forward to raising money,...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I have heard Hon. Nabii and Hon. (Dr) Oundo. You have already given a license, there is a farmer or a person running a ginnery and going on with what he is supposed to do. We must give discretion for the person...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Mover.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Now that they are going to be working on an amendment they are agreeing on, I am just trying to agree with Hon. Oundo. As you do that, please, put a mandatory requirement for ADR Before they go to any tribunal, there is a level...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Mover, Hon. Emaase.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, as you are aware, we have considered three Bills. We will start with the reporting of the first one we did. I therefore call upon the Chairperson to move reporting. CONSIDERATION OF REPORT ON THE PENSIONS (AMENDMENT) BILL

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, for obvious reasons, I defer putting the Question on this matter until the next time it is slotted in the Order Paper. (Putting of the Question deferred) CONSIDERATION OF REPORT ON THE SUGAR BILL The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) We, therefore,...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MGD) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I want to build on what Hon. Oundo has said. This amendment will be good, if the Chairperson moves a further amendment and removes the word “tax”. I plead with him to do it. It opens the whole thing up to the...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) I oppose this amendment. I imagine that the Chairman would say that the CEO should have experience in the cotton industry, and not necessarily a master's degree. This industry has been facing many challenges. Most people in this area have been learning and amassing experience....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Mover. 31st July 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 61

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Please, let us allow them to have their monies. Let them do their job. That is my plea to my fellow Hon. Members. Let us not get into tuff wars. They say that when they go low, we go high. Let them be. (Loud consultations)

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I want to ask Hon. Members to forgive the Senate for they do not know what they are doing. There are people who just keep yapping everyday but they do not know how money is made and how it is allocated. I...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Please, let us allow them to have their monies. Let them do their job. That is my plea to my fellow Hon. Members. Let us not get into tuff wars. They say that when they go low, we go high. Let them be. (Loud consultations)

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I want to ask Hon. Members to forgive the Senate for they do not know what they are doing. There are people who just keep yapping everyday but they do not know how money is made and how it is allocated. I...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I direct that the Bell be rung for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I know the 10 minutes are over, but we shall ring the Bell for a further five minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung)...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Is Hon. Mishi Mboko in?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Duly noted. QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) We have the Member for Tiaty, Hon. William Kamket. ORDINARY QUESTION STATUS OF RECRUITMENT OF PRINCIPALS AND DEPUTY PRINCIPALS IN ARID AND SEMI-ARID AREAS

The Temporary Speaker (David Ochieng’) Okay. Hon. Makali.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, let us proceed to the next order. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON THE FIRST SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES FOR THE FINANCIAL YEAR 2024/2025

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Alego Usonga.

The Temporary Speaker (David Ochieng’) Thank you. (Hon. Gonzi Rai spoke off the record) Hon. Gonzi Rai, you just…

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Likoni.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Members, the time allotted for this Bill has lapsed. I now call upon the Mover to reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Oundo. Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula ODM) . Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker for giving me this opportunity to comment. In essence, I do not oppose the Motion, but obviously, like every Kenyan will ask: What is the hurry? The Bill is already...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you, Hon. Members. Order. The first person to bite the cherry on this would be the Member for Aldai. What is your point of order? This is your chance to contribute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Oluoch.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. The Member for Kitui West, do you want to speak on this Bill? Edith Nyenze (Kitui West, WDM) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. From the outset, I support this Bill which is important, especially for the unemployed graduates. We have very...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said, Chairperson. Hon. Mary Emaase.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Well done. The Member for Khwisero.

The Temporary Speaker (David Ochieng’) Hon. Dorothy inform Hon. Kangogo on the urgency of this matter. I am sure Hon. Gonzi Rai can engage him as he waits for formal engagement at the Committee level.

The Temporary Speaker (David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Gonzi Rai. REQUEST FOR STATEMENT STATUS OF IMPLEMENTATION OF MWACHE DAM PROJECT

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Sotik, do you want to contribute to the debate on this Bill? You are next in line. 24th July 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 8 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)(Technical hitch) Use the microphone next to your seat.

The Temporary Speaker (David Ochieng’) Thank you. The request for Statement will go to the Departmental Committee on Blue Economy, Water and Irrigation. I saw Hon. Kangogo sometime earlier. Hon. Dorothy are you a Member of that Committee?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Wanyonyi.

The Temporary Speaker (David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Gonzi Rai go ahead. Sorry. Just take your seat for a moment. The Question by the Member for Tiaty, will go to the 24th July 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 2 The Temporary Speaker (David Ochieng’)Departmental Committee on Education and Research. I do...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Maragwa.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Lesuuda.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Chepkonga.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Duly noted. QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) We have the Member for Tiaty, Hon. William Kamket. ORDINARY QUESTION STATUS OF RECRUITMENT OF PRINCIPALS AND DEPUTY PRINCIPALS IN ARID AND SEMI-ARID AREAS

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I order that the Quorum Bell be rung for ten minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I order that the Quorum Bell be rung for a further five minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) The Temporary Speaker (Hon....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next Order. 12th June 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 1 QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, we have request for statements from two Members in the Order Paper. I will start with the Member for Bobasi, if he...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, I request the Whip of the Majority Party to help us lower the tone of consultations so that we can listen to Hon. Lesuuda. (Hon. Silvanus Osoro spoke off the record) Well done.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Komingoi, the Members’ concern, apart from the Member for Bobasi, is the 22 per cent of money already available and allocated to KeRRA. That is the Members' concern. When is it going to the ground? Two weeks is too long.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng’) Hon. Member for Bobasi, I hope you are now ready. RECONSTRUCTION OF A COLLAPSED BRIDGE IN NYAMACHE TOWN IN BOBASI CONSTITUENCY

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Nguna.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Very well said. But let us give them maternity leave if they become pregnant. Let us not deny them that. (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Malulu, this falls under your docket. 12th June 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 2

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kitui South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. (Question proposed) The first Member to have a bite at that cherry is the Hon. Member for Westlands.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next Order. THE SALARIES AND REMUNERATION COMMISSION (AMENDMENT) BILL THE PUBLIC SERVICE INTERNSHIP BILL 12th June 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 5 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, the debate on this Bill started on the 24th April. Hon. Naisula Lesuuda...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Proceed. PREPAREDNESS OF SCHOOLS IN ISIOLO COUNTY AFTER THE RECENT HEAVY RAINS

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Komingoi, today is 12th June

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) When you invite the Cabinet Secretary (CS) , ensure that the Member is duly informed so that she is present during the CS’s attendance, and this should not take more than two weeks.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. We will not engage in debate on that. The answer he has given is satisfactory to me. Hon. Komingoi, you can see what is happening. You need to take charge of this matter and have it dealt with as soon as possible....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng’)Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure, Hon. Komingoi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Karemba, just sit down. Before you second, Hon. Lesuuda has said: “Make a mark at the place you get a chance for internship.” I want to use that statement to welcome students from the United States International University-Africa (USIU-Africa) from Roysambu, who are...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Baya, I hate to hold you a bit because this cannot be another Kenyatta University (KU) affair. Just commit that you will not talk about KU. Please do not talk about KU. Go ahead. 12th June 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 14 (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Kipyegon.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng’) Have you heard that? He has said within two weeks, the Committee would have gotten back to you. Hon. Gisairo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next Order. 12th June 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 1 QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, we have request for statements from two Members in the Order Paper. I will start with the Member for Bobasi, if he...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, I request the Whip of the Majority Party to help us lower the tone of consultations so that we can listen to Hon. Lesuuda. (Hon. Silvanus Osoro spoke off the record) Well done.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Komingoi, the Members’ concern, apart from the Member for Bobasi, is the 22 per cent of money already available and allocated to KeRRA. That is the Members' concern. When is it going to the ground? Two weeks is too long.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng’) Hon. Member for Bobasi, I hope you are now ready. RECONSTRUCTION OF A COLLAPSED BRIDGE IN NYAMACHE TOWN IN BOBASI CONSTITUENCY

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Nguna.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Very well said. But let us give them maternity leave if they become pregnant. Let us not deny them that. (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Malulu, this falls under your docket. 12th June 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 2

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kitui South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. (Question proposed) The first Member to have a bite at that cherry is the Hon. Member for Westlands.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next Order. THE SALARIES AND REMUNERATION COMMISSION (AMENDMENT) BILL THE PUBLIC SERVICE INTERNSHIP BILL 12th June 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 5 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, the debate on this Bill started on the 24th April. Hon. Naisula Lesuuda...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Proceed. PREPAREDNESS OF SCHOOLS IN ISIOLO COUNTY AFTER THE RECENT HEAVY RAINS

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Komingoi, today is 12th June

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) When you invite the Cabinet Secretary (CS) , ensure that the Member is duly informed so that she is present during the CS’s attendance, and this should not take more than two weeks.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. We will not engage in debate on that. The answer he has given is satisfactory to me. Hon. Komingoi, you can see what is happening. You need to take charge of this matter and have it dealt with as soon as possible....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng’)Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure, Hon. Komingoi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Karemba, just sit down. Before you second, Hon. Lesuuda has said: “Make a mark at the place you get a chance for internship.” I want to use that statement to welcome students from the United States International University-Africa (USIU-Africa) from Roysambu, who are...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Baya, I hate to hold you a bit because this cannot be another Kenyatta University (KU) affair. Just commit that you will not talk about KU. Please do not talk about KU. Go ahead. 12th June 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 14 (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Kipyegon.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng’) Have you heard that? He has said within two weeks, the Committee would have gotten back to you. Hon. Gisairo.