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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Osoro, did you finish your contribution?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next is the Member for Narok North.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Shakeel you only have two minutes.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member for Naivasha.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Karachuonyo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) It should be known that we are discussing a Bill related to healthcare. We are not discussing lawyers’ fee. I direct you to proceed with your contribution the way it was going on before the interruptions.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Is that the Member for Mukurweini?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I called out the Member for Makueni, who I think to be you.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Member for Funyula.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Back to you, Hon. Oundo. I think you are winding up.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Nyeri Town Constituency.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kigumo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Hon. Mathenge, explain to the Member for Naivasha what “Mafia House” means.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Next is Hon. Makilap.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kihara, now you know.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kisumu East.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Shakeel, I will interrupt your presentation. (The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) spoke off record)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Emurua Dikirr, I am sure you will have a chance to debate and be able to make that point. (Hon. Silvanus Osoro spoke off the record) Order, Hon. Osoro! Take your seat. No, it is not done like that. You do not...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Do you want to be informed by Hon. Osoro?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) This chance goes to the Member for Mandera South. He is the first on the requests list. I will not encourage Members to raise their hands. I have a list that I will follow. Do not raise your hand and do not come to...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kipipiri Constituency.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay, Hon. Gichohi. I will have my eyes on the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Health and ensure that he does the right thing. Hon. Osoro, go on.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much. Hon. Members, the debate on this Bill is done. The time allocated to it has lapsed. I have asked the Mover to reply the next time this Bill will be called out. Therefore, the Mover will reply next time the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kisumu East, you want to contribute on this?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kamukunji.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Makueni. This Member is in the House!

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay, go ahead. What is your point of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Uasin Gishu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) It cannot happen. But proceed with your contribution.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Jayne Kihara, you have said that the Mover of this Bill was not called to appear before the Committee. Is it the factual position? Have you checked with the Mover?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) When the Motion comes up next, you will have a balance of five minutes. ADJOURNMENT The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, the time being 1.00

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay. That is well noted. Go on, Hon. Kihara.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)(Technical hitch)Hon. Didmus Barasa, is it true that you did not get a chance to appear before the Departmental Committee on Health on this Bill? Do you have your card? Just put it in somewhere. Okay. Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Dagoretti South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Hon. Osoro, you shall proceed with your debate regardless of what the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Health does.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay. You have to inform him in a minute because you have already contributed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Debate on this Motion is now open and the first person to contribute is the Member of Parliament for Bureti, Hon. Kibet Komingoi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What is out of order? (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The issue is not whether you appeared or not. The issue is whether you were invited to appear before the Committee. Did you get any invitation?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Naivasha Constituency, what is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Hassan, Member for Kamukunji. We cannot see your card. Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Oundo, there is a request by the Member for Uasin Gishu County to inform you. Do you want to be informed by her?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much. Members, you realise that she has just… (Loud consultations)

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay. Let us have the Member for Kaiti.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well spoken. Member for Mbeere North. Members, take note that I am just holding this list. I am not in the mood of doing anything to fit in someone. I will just follow it. There are very few of us remaining. If you take...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Keep going and continue leading. Next is the Member of Parliament for Samburu East.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Go ahead. Have you already seconded the amendment?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Lastly, the Member for Kisumu West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. I hope ladies carry handkerchiefs too. This chance goes to the Member for Bureti.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kajiado.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Member for Baringo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Thank you. We will now have the Member of Parliament for Dagoretti North.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Allow her to move her amendment. She is moving an amendment, so allow her to do so. Go ahead, Hon. Kemei. You have the Floor.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Next is the Member of Parliament for Kamukunji.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Member, just to remind you that the Motion we are discussing has no video or anything to it. It seems every Member wants to talk about it; basically, the more you do it, the more you spread the video. This chance goes to...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Very well. Hon. Members, the Question on the proposed amendment by Hon. Beatrice Kemei will be put during the next time when this Motion is considered. The Mover of the Motion will also be asked to reply when the Motion will be slated next...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Maybe it is time to also bite the bullet and report such matters to the police. You may not report some of these matters because you fear showing your face. Maybe, it is time to draw a red line and report the matter, so...

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kangema.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I thank the Committee for a very well-done report on the approval of Dr. David Oginde. Fighting corruption requires someone who believes that you can change a corrupt system. It requires someone who believes that fighting corruption needs leadership, someone...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Robi, the microphone next to you may work. Mhe. Mathias Robi (Kuria West, UDA) : Asante Mhe. Spika wa Muda kwa kunipatia nafasi hii ili pia niweze kuchangia hii Ripoti ambayo imeletwa katika Bunge hili. Ripoti hii ni nzuri sana katika nchi yetu...

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay. I hope Members have the proposed amendment by the Member for Kericho County. (Question of the amendment proposed) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, I direct that we go on with debate on this matter the way it is. We cannot...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You have 30 seconds.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Starehe.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member for Elgeyo Marakwet.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Teso South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much. Members, you realise that she has just… (Loud consultations)

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay. Let us have the Member for Kaiti.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well spoken. Member for Mbeere North. Members, take note that I am just holding this list. I am not in the mood of doing anything to fit in someone. I will just follow it. There are very few of us remaining. If you take...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Keep going and continue leading. Next is the Member of Parliament for Samburu East.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Go ahead. Have you already seconded the amendment?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Lastly, the Member for Kisumu West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. I hope ladies carry handkerchiefs too. This chance goes to the Member for Bureti.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kajiado.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Member for Baringo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Thank you. We will now have the Member of Parliament for Dagoretti North.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Allow her to move her amendment. She is moving an amendment, so allow her to do so. Go ahead, Hon. Kemei. You have the Floor.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Next is the Member of Parliament for Kamukunji.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Member, just to remind you that the Motion we are discussing has no video or anything to it. It seems every Member wants to talk about it; basically, the more you do it, the more you spread the video. This chance goes to...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Very well. Hon. Members, the Question on the proposed amendment by Hon. Beatrice Kemei will be put during the next time when this Motion is considered. The Mover of the Motion will also be asked to reply when the Motion will be slated next...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Maybe it is time to also bite the bullet and report such matters to the police. You may not report some of these matters because you fear showing your face. Maybe, it is time to draw a red line and report the matter, so...

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kangema.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I thank the Committee for a very well-done report on the approval of Dr. David Oginde. Fighting corruption requires someone who believes that you can change a corrupt system. It requires someone who believes that fighting corruption needs leadership, someone...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Robi, the microphone next to you may work. Mhe. Mathias Robi (Kuria West, UDA) : Asante Mhe. Spika wa Muda kwa kunipatia nafasi hii ili pia niweze kuchangia hii Ripoti ambayo imeletwa katika Bunge hili. Ripoti hii ni nzuri sana katika nchi yetu...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for West Mugirango. 20th April 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 31

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay. I hope Members have the proposed amendment by the Member for Kericho County. (Question of the amendment proposed) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, I direct that we go on with debate on this matter the way it is. We cannot...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You have 30 seconds.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Starehe.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member for Elgeyo Marakwet.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Teso South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much. Members, before I call the mover to reply, allow me to recognise the presence, in the Public Gallery, of the students from the AEF Rueben Primary School, Embakasi South in Nairobi County. They are welcome to view the happenings of...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Marsabit. She will be the last one to contribute to this Motion and then we will call upon the mover to reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Isiolo South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Bomet East.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Take one-and-a-half minutes each please.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kwanza.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kirinyaga.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Finalise.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Then, that means you only have two minutes to reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Nguna, what is happening to you? Is there a problem? Are you okay? Let the Member for Bomet East contribute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Moiben.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Garissa Township.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Hon. Haika.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Hon. Ngusya, proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Thank you very much, Hon. Mathenge. I think the ball is in your court. You heard Members and everyone's views on this issue. As you know, the very nature of a Motion is that we normally resolve and most of the time nothing turns...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kwanza, I am listening to Members and it seems this is a society issue.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member for Nyatike.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) It seems this is an issue that the law will not correct. Members should think of how best to deal with this away from the law. But I digress. Go on.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kiambu County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What will happen when you have regional licensing and every police officer asks: Are you from Siaya going to Busia? Will they need another license? Do we need another rent-seeking opportunity? The Member for Matungu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kabondo Kasipul. Hon. Members, I want to remind you that when you log your card in, always ensure you press the log in button so you are well logged in.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Webuye East.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Order, Hon. King’ara. Just approach the Clerk-at-the-Table. (Hon. King’ara consulted with the Clerk-at-the-Table)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Haika Mizighi.