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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member for Bomet East has been away, but has been on the queue. Hon. Richard Yegon, have the Floor.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Order, Members. Order, Order!

The Temporary Speaker (David Ochieng’) Thank you, Member for Turkana.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kitayama, what is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Atandi, you could make your point without… 15th March 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 32

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Atandi, order! You are completely out of order. If you want to discuss the person of the Chief Justice, you must bring a substantive Motion to be approved by the Speaker. Would you now wind up your contribution on this matter?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, I am following this list. It does not matter what you do. I will follow the list that I have here. So, anybody who comes up here should know that you will definitely not get a chance because you came to see...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Waheshimiwa Wabunge, kwa kuwa sasa ni saa saba, Bunge hili litaahirishwa hadi leo, Jumatano, Tarehe 15 Machi 2023, saa nane na nusu. Bunge liliahirishwa saa 7.02 mchana. 15th March 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 37 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Published by Clerk of the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Baya, what is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Order, Hon. Atandi! Order!

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Is the Member for Samburu East in the House?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well done. I think you have…

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Member for Kuria East. 15th March 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 34

The Temporary Speaker (David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Makueni County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You are definitely out of order, Hon. Kitayama. (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Atandi, I do not know whether the Government is begging from these people.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Atandi, you can make your point.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Atandi, order! You could make your point without these sideshows sometimes. I will now request you to withdraw the statement about temporary presidency and the President going around begging.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next on my list is the Member for Malindi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Asante sana. Member for Alego Usonga.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Order, Hon. Baya. What is your point of order? Hon. Atandi, take your seat. Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Order, Hon Ngitit, you will have the balance of your time next time this Motion comes up because our time is up for today.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Naivasha. Mhe. Jayne Kihara (Naivasha, UDA) : Bw. Spika wa Muda, nashukuru kwa kunipa nafasi hii ili nizungumzie jambo hili ambalo ni la kusikitisha sana. Kama nchi au dunia, tumefikia wakati wa kuzungumzia mambo ya ushoga na usagaji. Kama Bibilia inavyosema, wakati...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) The reason this was important is we are saying that Questions are going to be answered within 14 days. Questions are asked in advance. The only question that can be asked on the spur of the moment are follow up questions. You cannot ask a...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Chairlady, these amendments relate purely to Cabinet Secretaries. I want to assure the Member that that paragraph means, for example, some years back in the last Parliament we had His Excellency Jakaya Kikwete in the country. We had to get a place for him...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG)

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Deputy Speaker, I wish to move the following Motion: THAT, this House adopts the Sixth Report of the Procedure and House Rules Committee on Amendments to the Standing Orders, laid on the Table of the House on Wednesday, 8th March 2023 and pursuant to...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said report. I request Hon. Omboko to second the Motion for agreement with the report of the Committee of the whole House.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG)

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG)

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG)

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Chairlady, I beg to move that the Committee do report to the House its consideration of the National Assembly Standing Orders and approval of the same with amendments. 9th March 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 22 [The Deputy Speaker (Hon. Gladys Boss) in the Chair]...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG)

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) I beg to move: THAT, Standing Order 42 (B) be amended— Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG)

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Chairlady, as regards the order of the name of the Committee, instead of “Water, Blue Economy and Irrigation” I want to persuade the Chairperson that, that is just a matter of nomenclature. If you look at our Second Schedule, Blue Economy appears as the...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG)

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG)

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG)

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG)

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) The reason this was important is we are saying that Questions are going to be answered within 14 days. Questions are asked in advance. The only question that can be asked on the spur of the moment are follow up questions. You cannot ask a...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Chairlady, these amendments relate purely to Cabinet Secretaries. I want to assure the Member that that paragraph means, for example, some years back in the last Parliament we had His Excellency Jakaya Kikwete in the country. We had to get a place for him...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG)

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Deputy Speaker, I wish to move the following Motion: THAT, this House adopts the Sixth Report of the Procedure and House Rules Committee on Amendments to the Standing Orders, laid on the Table of the House on Wednesday, 8th March 2023 and pursuant to...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said report. I request Hon. Omboko to second the Motion for agreement with the report of the Committee of the whole House.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG)

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG)

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG)

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Chairlady, I beg to move that the Committee do report to the House its consideration of the National Assembly Standing Orders and approval of the same with amendments. 9th March 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 22 [The Deputy Speaker (Hon. Gladys Boss) in the Chair]...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG)

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) I beg to move: THAT, Standing Order 42 (B) be amended— Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG)

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Chairlady, as regards the order of the name of the Committee, instead of “Water, Blue Economy and Irrigation” I want to persuade the Chairperson that, that is just a matter of nomenclature. If you look at our Second Schedule, Blue Economy appears as the...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG)

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG)

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG)

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG)

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you so much, Hon. Speaker. I wish to comment on both petitions. In the first one, for the last five or six years, we have responded to developments in ICT, with a lot of laws criminalising cybersecurity and trying to almost muzzle that sector....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Serjeant-at-Arms, ring the bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) I order the bell to be stopped. I confirm that we have quorum. Order, Members! Let us proceed with business.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next Order! QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I hope those who have their Questions listed on the Order Paper are in the House. The first chance goes to Hon. Umul Kheir Kassim from Mandera County. Give the microphone to the...

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Atandi, I also heard the words you used that the system is interested in killing its own people.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Order! The Hon. Member who has just come in; just go back to the Bar and bow. Go back to the Bar. When you get in here, you cannot crisscross the Floor the way you have done. Just go back to the Bar, bow...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Nyikal. You are now a ranking Member. You cannot anticipate debate. We are debating Order No.8. 1st March 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 5

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Masara, what is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Gitonga, you are advised to wind up your contribution.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You know when I am presiding, there are no two rules about this. If you are next in line, you contribute. Hon. Kirwa, this is your chance to contribute on the Motion.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mukunji.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What is your point of Order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You do not have to give conditions.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You will not continue in that manner. You have to withdraw and apologise. (Loud consultations)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Wamuchomba.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Wamuchomba, are you debating your Bill?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) This Question shall be replied to before the Departmental Committee on Education. I hope Hon. Millie will be informed that this is urgent and important as the Member has indicated. Next Order! DEVELOPMENT OF POLICY ON STANDARDIZATION AND PRODUCTION OF SCHOOL UNIFORMS The Temporary...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Pukose.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Atandi, proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Edith Nyenze.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I suppose that is the Vice-Chair of the Social Protection Committee and that is why he is passionate about this matter so much. Hon. Nyamai Rachel, proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Atandi, the Motion is safe. I suggest you withdraw the remarks about the Government murdering its own people and then proceed with your contribution.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) This Question shall be replied to before the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Affairs. Is the Chairperson or the Vice Chairperson in the House? Hon. Peter Lochakapong, are you aware that the Question that was asked earlier is directed to your Committee? I...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What you said is that this regime has murdered a number of people. You do not have the list of those who have been murdered. The order is that you substantiate or withdraw your statement.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) This chance goes to the Member for Kipkelion West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much, Hon. Gathoni Wamuchomba. I really share your sentiments. Hon. Members, I order that the Question on this Motion be put during the next Sitting for the reason indicated under Standing Order 53 (3) . 1st March 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Atandi, it is therefore clear that the regime has not killed or murdered anybody. Would you just withdraw those statements and proceed with your contribution?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Member for Alego Usonga! You shall substantiate how many people this regime has killed or murdered, or apologise and withdraw.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order! Order, Hon. Atandi! We insist that you withdraw your statement and then proceed with your contribution.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you, Hon. Umul Kheir. The Question that you have just asked shall be replied to before the Departmental Committee on Regional Development. I hope the Chairman is in the House. 1st March 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 2 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)As...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Atandi, I insist. I was seated on the Chair and I heard you say that this regime has murdered a number of people. Give us a list or withdraw and apologise.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much, Hon. Nyikal. If there were no deficiencies in all those areas, there would be no need for Parliament in the first place. There will always be deficiency in one place or the other. Hon. Members, the time allocated for this...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you so much. There is a committee called the Committee on Implementation. (Hon. Naomi Waqo interjected) Hon. Waqo, what is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Parashina.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Atandi, I insist you substantiate the statement you made by telling us how many have been murdered by this particular situation.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) It is okay.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well, this chance now goes to the Member for Kisii County. She will be followed by the Member for Seme.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Atandi, why are you raising your hand up? I can see your name here. You will have your chance when the time comes.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Muhia, what is out of Order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Wamuchomba.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I request that you stick to the Motion on the Floor.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Gitonga, wind up your contribution and be relevant.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Give him half a minute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Masinga. In his absence, Member for Alego Usonga, proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Very well. Hon. Wamuchomba, next time, mention all the Members you want to donate your time to at once so that you do not need to keep coming back to mention other Members. Proceed, Hon. Harun.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you so much, Hon. Parashina. Hon. Members, I recognise the presence, in the Public Gallery, of students from Kanyakine High School in South Imenti in Meru County and students from Muslim Academy Primary School, Starehe, Nairobi County. As usual, we welcome them to...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) A very good contribution, but it has been messed up by your own drama. I now order that the offensive words that were uttered by Hon. Atandi be expunged from the Hansard. This chance goes to the Member for Manyatta.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next Order! QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I hope those who have their Questions listed on the Order Paper are in the House. The first chance goes to Hon. Umul Kheir Kassim from Mandera County. Give the microphone to the...

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Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you so much, Hon. Temporary Chairperson. I want to thank the Budget and Appropriations Chairman for a good job. The PSC has finally said they want to finalise. I want to ask the Chairperson as they do so to spare even Ksh5 million to...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Let us have Hon. Didmus Barasa if he is in the House.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Thank you so much, Hon. Barasa. Hon. Members, I wish to recognise the presence of students in the Public Gallery from Kanjalu Girls High School, Tigania West in Meru County, and students from Sawagongo High School, Gem, in my county of Siaya. They are...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Hon. Gikaria what is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Member for Funyula, you will have your nine minutes the next time this Motion comes up for debate. ADJOURNMENT The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Hon. Members, time being 1.00

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) One more minute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Sigei Francis, the Member for Sotik Constituency.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng’) Hon. Nyikal.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Maalim Farah.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you so much. Hon. Amollo Otiende. 15th February 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 28

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Thank you, Hon. Farah. I will have Hon. Wanyonyi, followed by Hon. Nyikal.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng’) Kindly give him five minutes.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Hon. Gikaria, the afternoon Order Paper is already out and I am sure it will guide you. This chance goes to Hon. Pauline Lenguris. I cannot see her. This chance was supposed to go to Hon. Pauline Lenguris of Samburu. In her absence, it...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Amollo, be careful about taking people’s positions.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng’) Thank you so much, Hon. Otiende. Well said. I hope you get a chance to pursue those arguments at the right time. Hon. Timothy Rotich of Marakwet West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you so much. This one goes to Hon. Gitonga Murugara of Tharaka.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG)Amen to those prayers. 15th February 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 14 Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG)our constituencies today and look at the kind of money we spend on administering National Government Constituencies Development Fund (NG-CDF), it is less than 10 million. Compare that to how much...