Yusuf Haji

Mr. Speaker, Sir, before I give any undertaking, may I request Sen. Muthama to clarify one thing. Machakos is a huge county and unless he gives specific areas where the harassment took place, it will be difficult to pinpoint what to do about it.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, if that is the case, we will require a week to give the statement.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, the statement is not ready. We will issue it next week.

On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. That happened last Thursday. However, he delegated it to the Senate Majority Chief Whip. When she was about to make the Statement, the Deputy Senate Majority Leader came. Then the Speaker directed that she could not give the Statement and that...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I would have asked to be given a week. However, in view of the fact that even the Cabinet Secretary (CS) for Defence is currently out of the country, and we do not know when she will be coming back, maybe two weeks will be reasonable because...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, with the consent of the gracious lady, Sen. Lesuuda, I want to answer this in two weeks’ time.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. On Wednesday, 11th November, 2015, Sen. Wetangula rose on the Floor of the House and requested for information regarding the arrest of a journalist,

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I will proceed. November 17, 2015 SENATEDEBATES November 17, 2015 SENATEDEBATES

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I read the Statement from the Cabinet Secretary and I will defend it. With regard to the question by Sen. Wetangula, on the right to information under Article 35 of the Constitution, there was no mention of coffee taking in the statement. Being a lawyer, I am...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I stand by what I said that the information is limited. Article 24 of the Constitution states that there is limitation as far as security measures are concerned. Just read it. (Loud consultations)

Mr. Speaker, Sir, we are talking about information and I have referred to the Article of the Constitution which limits information. Whether it is security or what, it limits information. I have answered Sen. (Dr.) Machage, and I am not going to repeat. Regarding Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, I have answered...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I had a Statement but you said it will be put on the Order Paper tomorrow. November 17, 2015 SENATEDEBATES

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I want to join you and other colleagues in welcoming all the delegations. In particular, I would like to welcome the staff from Mandera and Isiolo counties which are in northern Kenya. This is the first time that staff or delegations November 17, 2015 SENATEDEBATES

You will do so after she is through.

Bi. Spika wa Muda, Kiongozi wa Wachache aliuliza jinsi zeruzeru walivyofanyiwa--- (Laughter)

On a point of order, Madam Temporary Speaker. Following revelation by the Chairperson that they visited the shrine, is it in order for me to demand to know why the CDF decided to visit a witchdoctor?

Mr. Chairman, was the visit to the shrine officially in your itinerary? Madam Temporary Speaker, we were on a tour. The officials of Tanzanian Government had prepared a programme which would have seen us visit many places of interests, including the shrine.

Mr. Chairman, what did the administration of the CDF got to do with visiting a shrine? Madam Temporary Speaker, when you go overseas, you visit museums and other places of interests. Therefore, that is not different to what we did. That is a historical place.

Mr. Chairman, please, proceed to answer the other questions. Bi. Spika wa Muda, Kiongozi wa Wachache aliuliza jinsi zeruzeru walivyofanyiwa--- November 12, 2015 SENATEDEBATES

Order, Mr. Chairman, the Standing Orders demand that if you start speaking in one language, you must proceed in the same language irrespective of whichever language somebody else uses to make an intervention. Please, proceed in English language. Madam Temporary Speaker, the Senate Minority Leader’s concern was not different from...

Sen. Nanjira, are you satisfied with the response?

Please, proceed Sen. M. Kajwang.

Mr. Chairman, in all honesty, listening to your answer to a very serious issue, I agree with Sen. Nanjira who has already expressed her dissatisfaction at it. I am also not convinced that you have adequately answered the question. I now rule that you revisit that statement and bring a...

Order, Senator! Two weeks will be towards our recess. Sen. Omondi, are you comfortable with two weeks?

Madam Temporary Speaker, as long as we do not go on recess without getting the statement, I agree that he be given time to give us a more comprehensive answer.

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No, you are making a request to speak, not a point of order. By now, I am sure you understand how the technology and the system works. Proceed.

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Yes, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. The reason I was suggesting the same is because the same information was relayed to the police, almost the same day the victim was found dead. Information was given by somebody who knew what had happened. It is like the police are trying to collaborate...

That is a good suggestion, Chairperson. It is important for you to pay a visit to the Cabinet Secretary in the company of Sen. Karaba because it is a question that is specific. When you finally get the proper answer, you can come back to the House. It is good...

Thank you for that Statement, As you might have also heard, the statement is short of explanation as to what happened and what is still happening with the police. They have not made any arrest from the time this man was killed. From that time, we should have had substantive...

To be fair to Sen. Karaba, he did not say people should arm themselves. He just questioned whether the police are unable to provide security and, therefore, citizens take care of themselves. You have made the response in relation to timelines. Sen. Karaba, do you still have anything to say?

Yes, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. The reason I was suggesting the same is because the same information was relayed to the police, almost the same day the victim was found dead. Information was given by somebody who knew what had happened. It is like the police are trying to collaborate...

That is a good suggestion, Chairperson. It is important for you to pay a visit to the Cabinet Secretary in the company of Sen. Karaba because it is a question that is specific. When you finally get the proper answer, you can come back to the House. It is good...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, on the question of the people who were murdered close to the national parks, I will attempt to answer it within two weeks. I know that this kind of allegation has been going on both in Mt. Elgon as well as Isiolo, which we have investigated and...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, in one week’s time.

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Mr. Speaker, Sir, am I in order, if I feel as a pastoralist, that anything that benefits a pastoralist is never given consideration? This is because when it comes to November 10, 2015 SENATEDEBATES

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Is the hon. Senator in order to say, “When we were Ministers?” These days, we do not have Ministers. We have clerks who are called civil secretaries.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am very sorry that I do not have the Statement. We were supposed to have the Cabinet Secretary this morning but the meeting aborted because he was once again at State House. I will pursue him until I get the Statement.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am equally disappointed because I promised the House that I will issue the Statement. Unfortunately, I have not been able to do so. As I said, I will pursue the Cabinet Secretary until I get my brother rested on the issue of Isiolo and Meru.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I find it difficult to say tomorrow or the day after. I will try next week.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I will try.

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Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to differ with my colleagues. It is we who demanded that we should have a sitting today. Through the wisdom of the Speaker and other colleagues, we were supposed to have sat on Saturday. Having a bit of patience will not do us any harm....

Order! I am a PC and Minister! (Laughter)

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, politics aside, the fact remains that there is a very serious problem with the health sector in the country. If you read the newspapers and watch television, it is not only Uasin Gishu; there are many counties where nurses are complaining. They are either going on...

On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Following Sen. Hassan’s statement that there is no vacuum in the leadership of CORD, was there a coup against the Deputy Minority Leader, Sen. Abdirahman? Could he clarify? November 5, 2015 SENATEDEBATES

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, it is unimaginable that KRA will treat counties selectively yet we all pay taxes. Secondly, is it our mandate really to intervene in matters of taxation? If we do that, every Kenyan who is required to pay tax will petition this House. Thank you.

On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Could Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale clarify whether it is the county money or individual accounts that have been frozen? I know that the Kenya Revenue Authority (KRA) officers have powers, under the Act, to freeze individual bank accounts if they feel that...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, yes, I have the Statement.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, fine. (Statement deferred) THE GOVERNMENT’S PREPAREDNESS IN MITIGATING EFFECTS OF THE IMPENDING EL NINO RAINS

Yes, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. While I quite agree with you, but I just want to float an idea that has worked very well in the National Assembly. After the Speaker summoned all the Cabinet Secretaries, together with the Majority and Minority November 5, 2015 SENATEDEBATES

Yes, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I am puzzled because a Member has said that the road from Kisumu to Webuye is very good. Sen. Leshore says that he has travelled on the same road and it is very bad. Could someone clarify the true position?

You said that the international contractor did a good job from Kisumu to Webuye. An hon. Senator: From Kitale to Webuye. Okay.

Yes, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, at a sitting of the Senate held on Tuesday, 27th October, Sen. Murungi requested for a Statement on the recent banditry attack at Kithiorone near Kaongo Kambio-Kabachi Location, Amwathi Ward, Meru County, where five members of the public and two attackers lost their lives, over 800...

Mr. Speaker Sir, Sen. Murungi requested on Tuesday 27thOctober, 2015, a Statement on the recent banditry attack at Kithiorone near Kaongo Kambio- Kambachi Location, Amwathi Ward, Meru County. I wish to state as follows; On 14th October, 2015, unknown Borana herdsmen shot Mr. Charles Ntoruru resulting to his admission in...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, first and foremost, I wish to send my condolences to all the bereaved families. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the question asked by the distinguished Senator for Meru regarding the number of police reservists in Isiolo is all together a very new question. I do not have...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, if it were within my power, I would have brought the answers even tomorrow. However, since I have to get the answers from other people, I request for one week.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, we are sitting on Saturday because we have to make a decision within 10 days. Was it envisaged that even on a public holiday, we will be meeting to discuss? Saturday is a holiday for everybody.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, it is not a working day for the House.

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. As I said earlier, I think the business of the House takes precedence over any other commitment. In view of this, even if it means voting on it, we are very strongly of the view. For us to do justice, we should be meeting...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the essence of having this Bill is as a result of the fact that whereas the national Government may have a sector which deals with disaster, now that the county governments are there, and they have been given resources, November 4, 2015 SENATEDEBATES

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I agree. (Putting of the Question deferred)