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Sen. Karaba Have you now changed your mind? When we resume debate on this Motion, you will have 15 minutes to conclude your contribution. (Laughter)

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Sen. Karaba Mr. Speaker, Sir, I also rise to request a Statement from the Chairperson of the Standing Committee on National Security and Foreign Relations concerning the kidnappings in Kirinyaga and which might possibly continue taking place unless the situation is arrested. The Statement should address whether the national Government...

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Sen. Karaba Proceed Sen. Martha Wangari; you have six minutes maximum, because the Mover must reply by 5.25 p.m. (Applause)

Proceed Sen. Martha Wangari; you have six minutes maximum, because the Mover must reply by 5.25 p.m.

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. First of all, I want to thank the Mover for bringing this Motion to this House. I grew up in the county that you represent in this House, which is a producer of both coffee and tea. I was telling one Senator that I...

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I meant the county which you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, represent in this House.

Okay.

That county is also the county where I was born – Murang’a County – which is a producer of both tea and coffee. I know I have tasted what coffee farming is all about because my mother still grows both tea and coffee in Murang’a. It is unfortunate that there...

On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

What is it, Sen. Muthama?

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want to donate at least three minutes to Sen. Wangari and two minutes to---

Why do you want to donate three minutes to Sen. Wangari and she has not even finished her time?

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, just to make it ten minutes.

Okay.

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I also want to thank the Mover for his generosity. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I was telling one Senator that I could pick tea even before I went to primary school. I have grown in tea farms; I have grown up seeing coffee and...

the county governments, taking into account that agriculture is a devolved function. I know that in some of the counties, the governors have taken initiative, especially the county represented by Sen. Mutahi Kagwe, which I know they have done something on the marketing of coffee. But we cannot just talk...

Sen. Gwendo. I think you were given four minutes.

I will work with the Deputy Speaker’s four minutes.

No; it is not mine. The donation is by the Mover of the Motion. How many minutes did you give her, Sen. Muthama?

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I gave her two minutes.

So you have two minutes, Sen. Gwendo.

All right. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I stand here to support this Motion for two reasons; one, I support it because I am a lover of coffee and I cannot finish a day without taking coffee. Two, I grew up in Kericho, where tea is grown, and I...

coffee that is packaged in another country, yet I live in a country that produces very good coffee as well as tea.So, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I support this Motion because I think that if the farmers were supported, this is going to go far in boosting so many things...

Sen. Muthama, you may now reply, and you have only seven minutes.

Thank you very much, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I wish to thank those who contributed to this Motion and for the issues that they brought up. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, just to be brief and clear, let me say that the last coffee that was harvested, the average price that...

not just protecting the whole industry, but we are protecting the small farmers and at the same time, we are maintaining the brand name of Kenya in the international market. Because as I said in my opening remarks, our name has been taken away; it has been stolen; coffee is...

Sen. Karaba Mr. Speaker, Sir, what is playing out now and over the last few months that we have been in this House is that it is now clear that no Member of the Committee including the Chair and the Vice-Chair are responsible for whatever we ask them to respond...

Is it related or different? I will allow you if it has a distant relationship but Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale’s intervention might reduce the distance. I am bringing it even closer. So, why can you not allow Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale to conclude this one, then you can come in? Sen. Karabapersonally...

You are not going to be a permanent feature of that position. So, you can just resume your seat and you will come back.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, what is playing out now and over the last few months that we have been in this House is that it is now clear that no Member of the Committee including the Chair and the Vice-Chair are responsible for whatever we ask them to respond to. It...

personally respond to issues because we want to oversight the Government. We cannot do so when we are oversighting fellow colleagues in the names of Chairpersons of Committees.

Sen. Karaba On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Have you forgotten me?

I have not forgotten, I am still trying to bridge the distance.

Sen. Karaba Mr. Speaker, Sir, last week but one, I sought a Statement from the Standing Committee on Health, Labour and Social Welfare. This was as a result of a notice which was issued by the National Environment Management Authority (NEMA) after a Committee, which I serve in, that is,...

Order, Sen. Karaba! Have you demanded for the Statement or are you going to do it on Thursday? Sen. Karabadied or will die from waterborne diseases. This is a serious matter of national concern. That Statement is yet to come.

Sen. Karaba Mr. Speaker, Sir, what is playing out now and over the last few months that we have been in this House is that it is now clear that no Member of the Committee including the Chair and the Vice-Chair are responsible for whatever we ask them to respond...

Is it related or different? I will allow you if it has a distant relationship but Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale’s intervention might reduce the distance. I am bringing it even closer. So, why can you not allow Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale to conclude this one, then you can come in? Sen. Karabapersonally...

You are not going to be a permanent feature of that position. So, you can just resume your seat and you will come back.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, what is playing out now and over the last few months that we have been in this House is that it is now clear that no Member of the Committee including the Chair and the Vice-Chair are responsible for whatever we ask them to respond to. It...

personally respond to issues because we want to oversight the Government. We cannot do so when we are oversighting fellow colleagues in the names of Chairpersons of Committees.

Sen. Karaba On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Have you forgotten me?

I have not forgotten, I am still trying to bridge the distance.

Sen. Karaba Mr. Speaker, Sir, last week but one, I sought a Statement from the Standing Committee on Health, Labour and Social Welfare. This was as a result of a notice which was issued by the National Environment Management Authority (NEMA) after a Committee, which I serve in, that is,...

Order, Sen. Karaba! Have you demanded for the Statement or are you going to do it on Thursday? Sen. Karabadied or will die from waterborne diseases. This is a serious matter of national concern. That Statement is yet to come.

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Sen. Karaba Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Karaba Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

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Sen. Karaba Proceed, Sen. Lesuuda. (Laughter)

Proceed, Sen. Lesuuda.

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What are you telling us? Sen. Karaba That is what they do. They share beds. Somebody can be suffering from tuberculosis, another one from malaria and another one may be suffering from a chronic illness where he coughs throughout but you find them sharing one bed. The patients end up...

On a point of order, Madam Temporary Speaker. Some of the statements being made by the Senator for Kirinyaga are serious. I wonder if the Senator can ascertain which hospital patients with tuberculosis and other infectious diseases share beds because this is not allowed. Tuberculosis patients are, in fact, isolated....

Bi. Spika wa Muda, Sen. Beth Mugo ameeleza ya kwamba hakuna hospitali ambayo wagonjwa wa tuberculosis hulazwa na wagojwa wengine. Yeye hakusema kwamba wagonjwa hawalazwi pamoja. Ameongea kuhusu tuberculosis. Ningependa pia kumuunga mkono na kusema huo sio ukweli. Hata kama hospitali zetu zina uhaba wa vitanda, wagonjwa wa tuberculosis hawawekwi...

Sen. Karaba, according to Standing Order No.92, you have a responsibility for statement of facts. So, as you make your statements, we will require you to provide facts and if they are very extensive, you will have to lay a paper on the Table of the House. October 17, 2013...

So, are you withdrawing that because it is not a fact? Sen. Karaba Madam Temporary Speaker, I am withdrawing the tuberculosis part but the fact is that they share beds. I am only not sure whether some of them suffer from tuberculosis. Lastly, since my time is running out due...

Thank you Madam Temporary Speaker for the opportunity to support this Report by the Health, Labour and Social Welfare Committee. Indeed, health is one of the major areas in any country that have to be taken care of. Although we have a long way to go, we should acknowledge that...

country. So, instead of just highlighting the negative, we should also bring in what has been done and ask for new things.As I have said, we have not yet arrived but there is still a lot of room for improvement. I have only highlighted a few areas. The area that...

Sen. Mugo, listening to your contribution, one would wonder whether you are contributing to the Motion which is to comment on this Senate report and to support its adoption or are you giving your own report as the former Minister for Public Health and Sanitation? It is a bit confusing....

Madam Temporary Speaker, I appreciate that but if you listened also to the contributions which have been made here, they were mainly challenging the health system. I think for the Chair to put something together on where we need to concentrate is also enlightening on what is there. To me,...

problem of having enough doctors to do work at that level. There was also talk about having enough equipment and laboratories. Again, that depends on the resource persons. Do we have the relevant staff? Do we need to train them? If we have to train more, where is the money...

Madam Temporary Speaker, thank you for recognizing me. I just want to make a few comments about this Report. Madam Temporary Speaker, first, we must congratulate the Committee which made a lot of effort to, at least, bring something to this House; to remind us of the problems that we...

Sen. Karaba Somebody with D, D+ and even C- can go for a degree at the expense of the ignorant majority of the students who are yearning to really be called graduates. They are rushing to these universities even when they are not registered. So, I am calling upon the...

Sen. Karaba Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

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Sen. Karaba On a point of order, Madam Temporary Speaker. Is my former teacher, the distinguished Senator for Kirinyaga, in order to state that there are no dispensaries in North Eastern? While we may not have Level Four and Level Five hospitals, this country has elaborate referral systems, especially at...

On a point of order, Madam Temporary Speaker. Is my former teacher, the distinguished Senator for Kirinyaga, in order to state that there are no dispensaries in North Eastern? While we may not have Level Four and Level Five hospitals, this country has elaborate referral systems, especially at the lower...

Continue, Sen. Karaba! Sen. Karaba Madam Temporary Speaker, since I have been allowed to continue, it means that there is nothing to observe from my student. October 17, 2013 SENATE DEBATES Sen. Karaba

October 17, 2013 SENATE DEBATES Sen. Karaba classify hospitals to those levels. For example, when it is a location and it has no other hospital, then that becomes a dispensary. After some time, it becomes a health centre; and after some time, it becomes a sub-district hospital; not because it...

Sen. Karaba Proceed, Sen. Lesuuda. (Laughter)

Proceed, Sen. Lesuuda.

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Sen. KarabaWhat are you telling us? An

What are you telling us? Sen. Karaba That is what they do. They share beds. Somebody can be suffering from tuberculosis, another one from malaria and another one may be suffering from a chronic illness where he coughs throughout but you find them sharing one bed. The patients end up...

On a point of order, Madam Temporary Speaker. Some of the statements being made by the Senator for Kirinyaga are serious. I wonder if the Senator can ascertain which hospital patients with tuberculosis and other infectious diseases share beds because this is not allowed. Tuberculosis patients are, in fact, isolated....

Bi. Spika wa Muda, Sen. Beth Mugo ameeleza ya kwamba hakuna hospitali ambayo wagonjwa wa tuberculosis hulazwa na wagojwa wengine. Yeye hakusema kwamba wagonjwa hawalazwi pamoja. Ameongea kuhusu tuberculosis. Ningependa pia kumuunga mkono na kusema huo sio ukweli. Hata kama hospitali zetu zina uhaba wa vitanda, wagonjwa wa tuberculosis hawawekwi...

Sen. Karaba, according to Standing Order No.92, you have a responsibility for statement of facts. So, as you make your statements, we will require you to provide facts and if they are very extensive, you will have to lay a paper on the Table of the House. Sen. Karaba Madam...

So, are you withdrawing that because it is not a fact? Sen. Karaba Madam Temporary Speaker, I am withdrawing the tuberculosis part but the fact is that they share beds. I am only not sure whether some of them suffer from tuberculosis. Lastly, since my time is running out due...

Thank you Madam Temporary Speaker for the opportunity to support this Report by the Health, Labour and Social Welfare Committee. Indeed, health is one of the major areas in any country that have to be taken care of. Although we have a long way to go, we should acknowledge that...

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nearest dispensary or health centres. So, there are efforts to deliver health services to the people and especially at primary level which is what we call level 1.Madam Temporary Speaker, what I feel we should do as a Senate is to find ways of how to give incentives to these...

Sen. Mugo, listening to your contribution, one would wonder whether you are contributing to the Motion which is to comment on this Senate report and to support its adoption or are you giving your own report as the former Minister for Public Health and Sanitation? It is a bit confusing....

Madam Temporary Speaker, I appreciate that but if you listened also to the contributions which have been made here, they were mainly challenging the health system. I think for the Chair to put something together on where we need to concentrate is also enlightening on what is there. To me,...

giving the experience on the ground. So, as we build we should request from the Government things which can be done.I think that we are fond of saying what and how we would like things done, without necessarily saying how they will be done and where the resources will come...

Madam Temporary Speaker, thank you for recognizing me. I just want to make a few comments about this Report. Madam Temporary Speaker, first, we must congratulate the Committee which made a lot of effort to, at least, bring something to this House; to remind us of the problems that we...

Sen. Karaba Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am appealing to you to give a way forward as regards the issue of Petitions, some of which were filed three months ago. I presented one Petition that was directed to the Department of Agriculture through the Committee on Agriculture, Lands and Natural Resources....

Sen. Karaba On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Karaba Mr. Speaker, Sir, you have heard the Chairman say that the question of the Petition is a bit elaborate and he needs more time. He says that he has already consulted the three Cabinet Secretaries concerned over the Petition. He has said he needs more time. Could he...

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Sen. Karaba Order, Sen. Karaba! While I appreciate your other life of being a principal and a good one at that, it is now time for your Chairman to respond. October 16, 2013 SENATE DEBATES 10

Order, Sen. Karaba! While I appreciate your other life of being a principal and a good one at that, it is now time for your Chairman to respond.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, first of all, I would like to thank everybody who has contributed to this question. The position of the Education and Information Technology Committee, just to set the record straight, is that all children in Kenya should get their certificates. That is the position of the Committee....

Order, Sen. Kagwe! As the Chairman, you are supposed to speak for all the counties.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I was using Nyeri County as an example. I want to speak for the 47 counties and to say that no Senator here would want to see any child at home due to lack of fees. I think it is also important for us to appreciate the...

Yes, Senator from Kitui.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I cannot believe that you have forgotten my name.

Sen. Karabamoving very fast in terms of positioning itself in the new dispensation. I recommend all Committees of this House to visit Mombasa.Mr. Speaker, Sir, you will agree with me that most counties are not up and running. They are engaged in endless wrangles. Every time they are fighting their...

Sen. Karaba, you should not worry about that. That is a requirement. Travelling is based on productivity.

Sen. Karaba Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am appealing to you to give a way forward as regards the issue of Petitions, some of which were filed three months ago. I presented one Petition that was directed to the Department of Agriculture through the Committee on Agriculture, Lands and Natural Resources....

Sen. Karaba On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Karaba Mr. Speaker, Sir, you have heard the Chairman say that the question of the Petition is a bit elaborate and he needs more time. He says that he has already consulted the three Cabinet Secretaries concerned over the Petition. He has said he needs more time. Could he...

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Sen. Karaba Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for reminding me that I had a Statement to seek. But since I had not received your express permission to do it now, I was shy in seeking it. Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Statement is on education, and I can see...

Sen. Karaba Mr. Speaker, Sir, thank you very much for protecting me. As it stands now, there are schools which are facing problems regarding the purchase of examination materials and equipment. Some exams have already started while others will start next Tuesday and teachers are finding it very difficult to...

Sen. Karaba Mr. Speaker, Sir, if you may realize the gravity of this matter, the main exams are starting next week and the money has not been released by the Ministry. The heads are yet to buy materials which are supposed to be bought before the weekend. Therefore, when the...

Sen. Karaba Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for reminding me that I had a Statement to seek. But since I had not received your express permission to do it now, I was shy in seeking it. Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Statement is on education, and I can see...

Sen. Karaba Mr. Speaker, Sir, thank you very much for protecting me. As it stands now, there are schools which are facing problems regarding the purchase of examination materials and equipment. Some exams have already started while others will start next Tuesday and teachers are finding it very difficult to...

Sen. Karaba Mr. Speaker, Sir, if you may realize the gravity of this matter, the main exams are starting next week and the money has not been released by the Ministry. The heads are yet to buy materials which are supposed to be bought before the weekend. Therefore, when the...

Sen. Karaba Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move the following Motion:- THAT, aware that the City of Nairobi has grown to be a large cosmopolitan and metropolitan city in Kenya and the East African region and that it acts as the gateway to the rest of the countries...

Sen. Karaba Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, if that lane is established, it will not be easy for other people to divert. It will also be very easy for other systems to continue running. I am, therefore, asking Senators to support me in this issue and pass it as a matter...

Sen. Karaba Madam Temporary Speaker, thank you very much. I would request whoever wants a donation to stand up. (Laughter)

Sen. Karaba Whoever would like to talk, please, stand up. (Sen. Elachi stood up in her place) Okay, proceed!

Sen. Karaba Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker, for giving me the chance to conclude my Motion. I would like to thank all those who have contributed in support of this Motion. I am sure that once passed, we will work with the likes of the Senate Majority Leader, so that...

Sen. Karaba Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, thank you very much for allowing me to contribute to this Motion. I want to oppose the Motion because of the mode in which it appears. If this Motion is passed, it is going to set a bad precedent to other counties and we...

Sen. Karaba So, what I was saying, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, is that we have inadequacy of manpower in manning some of these offices, and that is the problem with the counties. It is the problem of the Senate. So, if the Senate is unable to man offices in such...

Sen. Karaba For security reasons, that is the route followed by the planes and even the vehicles, which have to go to Uganda before you get to Turkana. I think it is true. October 2, 2013 SENATE DEBATES (Laughter)

Sen. Karaba Which will be too bad, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, because for me, I am forthright and I am trying to articulate a point which is very serious here. What I am trying to articulate, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, is that the Committee here picked on a county which...

Sen. Karaba I do not need to be informed.

Sen. Karaba Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, you are aware that I have read through it. I am even referring you to page 6, which is only here; because I have seen the variances which are already indicated and it is something that I suspect never happened, because if it happened,...

Sen. Karaba Are you informing or---

Sen. Karaba Yes; that is what I said; and a slip of the tongue can be excused. (Laughter)

Sen. Karaba No---

Sen. Karaba No, I am not apologizing because it was not intended.

Sen. Karaba Over what? Over the remarks? (Laughter)(Applause)

Sen. Karaba I am opposing.

Sen. Karaba Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for giving me this chance to move a Motion which is already in the House. The Motion is as follows:- THAT, aware that tourism is one of the leading sources of income to Kenya’s economy; noting that the Government has set a...

Sen. Karaba My friend, can you second this Motion? I rest there, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Thank you.

Sen. Karaba Thank you very much, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. As I reply to the Motion, it is important that Kenyans travel. What I have witnessed in this House is that people are ignorant of the facts; they do not seem to understand what the Motion is all about because...

Sen. Karaba Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to give notice of the following Motions both directed to the Department of Transport and Infrastructure:- DEVELOPMENT OF POLICY FRAMEWORK FOR USE OF CABLE CARS IN TOURISM DEVELOPMENT OF POLICY FRAMEWORK FOR CREATION OF EMERGENCY LANES IN NAIROBI October 8, 2013 SENATE...

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Sen. Karaba Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, thank you for giving me the opportunity to contribute to this Motion. This Motion is coming at the right time when we have devolution. If there is anything to be devolved then it is what is in this Motion. These are the people who...