Daniel Dickson Karaba

Sen. Karabapivotal role in shaping the reforms that the Cabinet Secretary (CS) for Education, Science and Technology will introduce. This is because without having the ECD in place and even without clarity of what it entails, it would be pointless for us to think about education reforms and education for...

Thank you, Sen. Karaba. Yes, Sen. (Prof.) Wilfred Lesan Rotich of Bomet County.

Sen. Karaba Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to lay the following Report on the Table of the Senate today, Wednesday 14th June, 2017: PERFORMANCE REPORT OF THE IPOA FOR JULY TO DECEMBER, 2016 STATEMENTS

Sen. Karaba Mr. Speaker, Sir, I would also like to hear from the Vice Chairman more on the issue of where some bars are erected next to the doorstops of the entrance to schools. Will he consider that, in light of the Loresho case? There are many cases arising these...

Sen. Karaba Madam Temporary Speaker, thank you very much for allowing me to contribute to this Motion and thank you very much for being on that seat. As we come to the end of this Session, I know that we will miss most, if not all Members, because of how...

Sen. Karaba Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I beg to move --- The Temporary Chairperson (Sen. (Dr.) Machage) : Order, Senator. I have not forgotten the House Procedures. We did not have an amendment forwarded to us on this Clause. Please, approach the Clerks’ Table. (Sen. Karaba, approached the Clerks’ Table...

Sen. Karaba THAT, Clause 8 of the Bill be amended- THAT, Clause 4 of the Bill be amended in paragraph (a) by inserting the word “basic” immediately after the word “compulsory” (Question of the amendment proposed) Clause 8 Sen. Karaba

THAT, Clause 8 of the Bill be amended- Sen. Karaba

Sen. Karaba THAT, clause 11 of the Bill be amended— THAT, Clause 10 of the Bill be amended— Sen. Karaba THAT, clause 12 of the Bill be amended by— THAT, clause 11 of the Bill be amended— Sen. Karabaliable, on conviction, to a fine not exceeding Kshs1 million or to...

liable, on conviction, to a fine not exceeding Kshs1 million or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years, or to both.”(Question of the amendment proposed) Clause 13 Sen. Karaba THAT, Clause 14 of the Bill be amended by deleting the expression “71” and substituting therefor the expression “70”...

(Question of the amendment proposed) Clause 17 Sen. Karaba THAT clause 19 of the Bill be deleted. (Question of the amendment proposed) Clause 23 THAT, clause 17 of the Bill be amended — Sen. Karaba THAT, clause 23 of the Bill be amended— THAT clause 19 of the Bill be...

THAT, clause 24 of the Bill be amended—

THAT, clause 25 of the Bill be amended—

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Sen. Karaba Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table of the Senate today Thursday, 14th April, 2016:- REPORT OF THE EDUCATION COMMITTEE ON THE 19 CONFERENCE OF COMMONWEALTH EDUCATION MINISTERS REPORT OF THE EDUCATION COMMITTEE ON THE 38 SESSION OF THE UNESCO GENERAL CONFERENCE...

Sen. Karaba Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to give notice of the following Motions:- ADOPTION OF EDUCATION COMMITTEE REPORT ON THE 19 CONFERENCE OF COMMONWEALTH EDUCATION MINISTERS ADOPTION OF EDUCATION COMMITTEE REPORT ON THE 38 TH SESSION OF THE UNESCO GENERAL CONFERENCE

Sen. Karaba Mr. Speaker, Sir, it is important to note that some of the governors are trying to ride on very dangerous roads and this is one of them in the name of Governor Munya. He happens to be the Governor of Meru County which is among the Mt. Kenya...

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Sen. Karaba[The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kembi-Gitura) left the Chair] [The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Mositet) took the Chair] April 14, 2016 SENATE DEBATES Sen. Karaba That is why I support. Sen. Karaba Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I would also like to support the Motion before us which is that we adopt...

Sen. Karaba, for your information, the formula is supposed to be revised after every three years. Sen. Karaba That is why I support.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I would also like to support the Motion before us which is that we adopt to the Report of the Standing Committee on Finance, Commerce and Budget on the second basis for equitable sharing of revenue among the county governments. Being a Member of the Committee,...

agricultural production and make sure that its farmers earn the most from agricultural production. County governments should enter into discourse with the national Government regarding certain national policies which may inhibit productivity in agriculture in the counties. In that regard, the Senate will come in handy.Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I...

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for us, so that we can talk with more authority in this Senate. Unfortunately, the kind of staff that we have in our offices are so minimal that they can only receive letters, arrange meetings and so on. Specialised work like getting information from KNAO needs somebody with knowledge of...

Order, Senator! Do you want to be informed by Sen. (Prof.) Lonyangapuo?

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I think I will get the information later from my friend, Sen. (Prof.) Lonyangapuo. We think alike.

Okay. Continue.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, this is very hard earned money. This is what pains me; if you look at the number of Kenyans who live on US$ 2 or 3 a day, these are the same people who pay VAT like we do. When they drink a soda, they will...

Crimes and Anti-Corruption Commission (ECACC). Why somebody got rid of the word “economic crimes” I do not understand. An economic crime in this case, is something that is unethical. To put it nicely, “ethics and anti-corruption” and now it is even more inefficient than the previous ECACC, is a travesty...

I give you one minute.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, it not there just for dressing purposes. It is there to mean something. I would like to join Sen. Karaba. For a county to have access to these 2 per cent fiscal responsibility, it must have shown fiscal responsibility. Secondly, all counties have potential. If a...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, for the record, I rise to oppose this Motion. This is because I verily believe the Report is constituted and as reported, is not representative of the current situation in the county. The Report is also deficient in addressing critical and important issues that, after three...

was okay for us to go and give him 2 per cent of the devolved funds and tell him that he has been a very good governor who has managed his county well and he deserves 2 per cent, meaning that he managed his funds well?Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, we...

Sen. Karaba Mr. Speaker, Sir, thank you for giving me the chance. I came late because I was literally following the Statements. They are ready but the signature is yet to be appended. I will have to camp there again and make sure that I have the two Statements with...

Sen. Karaba Mr. Speaker, Sir, I apologize for coming late.

Sen. Karaba Mr. Speaker, Sir, I now have the answers to the questions.

Sen. Karaba Mr. Speaker, Sir, the first question was why two governors and some Members of Parliament (MPs) raided Moi University and whether criminal proceedings are going to be preferred against them. The answer is that the two governors and some MPs stormed Moi University to protest the appointment of...

Sen. Karaba Is there another different pronunciation?

Sen. Karaba I was in the column of deputy principals and you can follow the table.

Sen. Karaba Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise to make a statement on an issue of general topical concern regarding the unlawful issuance of the title deeds by Embu County---

Sen. Karaba Mr. Speaker, Sir, my point of order is under Petitions. It was under a petition which I filed the last two years and so far nothing has happened following the petition, hearing, presentation and adoption of the report from the Committee that was named last time. It has...

Sen. Karaba Much obliged, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Karaba Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise to seek a Statement on an issue of general topical concern regarding the unlawful issuance of title deeds by the Embu County Government in the area of the Mwea Trust Lands. Sen. KarabaKenda (nine clans) concerning the boundary disputes between Kirinyaga and Embu...

Sen. Karaba Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. It is a good answer, but I am not convinced whether what the Chairperson has said is the correct position on the ground. He has said that a lot has been distributed this year, including the release of drought- tolerant seeds to 25...

Sen. Karaba Mr. Speaker, Sir, a lot of fertilizer has not been delivered. I wonder whether the Chairperson is convinced that what he has stated is true on the ground. If it was true, we would not be complaining. We have not had fertilizer in the depots, which is leading...

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Sen. KarabaA When we press them to accept our demand, they do not respond. That is why I am getting late to say that I am happy to have heard and seen the students from South Eastern University and Kenyatta University. Let them learn.As the Chairperson of the Committee on...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I join you in welcoming the students from our universities. I urge them to register as voters and participate in the elections in 2017. If they wish to be nominated to represent the youth as I do today, they must be members of a political party. I...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, it pleases us to see young people get interested in the activities of Parliament, especially so, youths at the university level. You do not have to have qualified in Senate, parliamentary affairs or political science to be a Member of Parliament (MP) . Therefore, all of you...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I also wish to congratulate the students. For them to reach where they are, they have worked very hard. I urge you to continue working very hard, especially the ladies. There is a lot of work to be done in politics. We welcome you aboard. We urge...

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Sen. KarabaA governors and their deputies should follow, it is important that we revisit the processes and see whether they are of any help to the Senate, so that we can go by them.Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, much as we support this Bill, it is important to find out the...

Sen. Karaba Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table of the Senate today, Wednesday, 30th November, 2016:- Report by the Ministry of Education, Science and Technology on Implementation Status of the Senate Resolutions Regarding:-

Sen.Karaba Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Chairperson is in the House and is getting to his position. CONSTRUCTION OF KIRINYAGA SEWERAGE PLANT

Sen. Karaba Mr. Speaker, Sir, pursuant to 45 (2) (b) , on Wednesday 20th July, 2016, Sen. (Prof.) Lonyangapuo requested for a Statement from the Chairperson of the Standing Committee on Education regarding payment of school fees in various institutions, including secondary schools, Teachers Training Colleges (TTCs) and Kenya Medical...

Sen. Karaba Mr. Speaker, Sir, it is true that the contents in this Statement are for the TTCs. Separate guidelines were given to secondary schools. The total for secondary school fees is Kshs54,000, against that of TTCs which is Kshs64,472. It can be paid in three installments. These institutions need...

Sen. Karaba Mr. Speaker, Sir, the understanding here is that the schools and colleges demand fees. Fees must be paid. Whether one pays it in full or three installments, the requirement is that one pays Kshs54,000 for secondary and Kshs64,000 for college. That is what has been agreed in a...

Sen. Karaba Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am talking about what is in the policy. The policy is that one pays Kshs54,000 for secondary and Kshs64,000 for TTCs. One can pay a certain amount for each term depending on private arrangements which can be done and it is in the guidelines....

Sen. Karaba Thank you Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. Pursuant to Senate Standing Order No.45 (2) (b) ; on Wednesday, 20th July, 2016, Sen. Kagwe requested for a Statement regarding the upgrading and the elevation of some former provincial schools to national school status. The Senator requested the Chairperson to state:...

Sen. Karaba Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, it will be tabled. Just comment on the status of Nakuru and Kiambu counties. Just table the document. Sen. KarabaMr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, in Nairobi, we have Pangani Girls which has been elevated to national school status. Otherwise, there are quite a number of...

Sen. Karaba Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, sometimes the Chairpersons of Committees face a lot of frustrations in the course of their duties. We are putting our colleague Senator in a very awkward position. Answers have not been forthcoming; maybe she has been there for a long time, waiting for it.

Sen. Karaba Unfortunately we do not have point of sympathy. Proceed, Sen. Dullo. What do you have to say?

Sen. Karaba What is it, Sen. Billow?

Unfortunately we do not have point of sympathy. Proceed, Sen. Dullo. What do you have to say?

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Sen. Karaba Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, thank you for giving me this opportunity to welcome students and teachers from Kabianga University in Kericho County which neighbours Bomet. More so, Kabianga University has a campus in Sotik which is in Bomet County. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I wish to take this...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I join you and my colleagues who have spoken before me to recognise students from Kabianga University. This morning I had the privilege of seeing them at the gate and I was told they are pursuing a degree in Public Administration. We used to work with...

Sen. Karaba Sen. (Prof.) Lonyangapuo; that was not a direct quotation. I think she was referring to a response that was given and a request or an order to you. It was an indirect quotation. So, I do not think you are in order to seek substantiation from the Member...

Sen. Karaba You should have commented on Sen. Lesuuda’s request on the change of day. As the Speaker, it is not possible. We are mandated to give at least, seven days’ notice to anybody we invite for particular sessions with the Members. So, it will be totally impossible to make...

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Sen. Karaba Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, that is a problem that not only affects Nyamira County, but virtually all counties. If people were to be allowed to petition us, we would get petitions from every county. This is an issue that has been recurring in the Senate. The County Public...

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Sen. Karaba Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, particularly on the negotiations that are going on and the stability. We lost almost two months.

Sen. Karaba Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, nobody has talked about how the two months that were lost will be compensated when the students were at home.

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Sen. KarabaA what you do. There should be a package that you can be given immediately to work as a motivator.This is a policy issue and we need to ask the Ministry to further clarify what that policy is. We can make suggestions and engagement with the Ministry of Education,...

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Sen. Karaba Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, that is a problem that not only affects Nyamira County, but virtually all counties. If people were to be allowed to petition us, we would get petitions from every county. This is an issue that has been recurring in the Senate. The County Public...

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Sen. Karaba Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, particularly on the negotiations that are going on and the stability. We lost almost two months.

Sen. Karaba Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, nobody has talked about how the two months that were lost will be compensated when the students were at home.

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Sen. KarabaA what you do. There should be a package that you can be given immediately to work as a motivator.This is a policy issue and we need to ask the Ministry to further clarify what that policy is. We can make suggestions and engagement with the Ministry of Education,...

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Sen. Karaba On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I heard your order to the Serjeant-at-Arms.

Sen. Karaba That is what happened. I heard it.

Sen. Karaba Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I am ready to issue the statement but the questioner is not present. It will depend on when the ---

Sen. Karaba Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I am present and I have the answer so he can go ahead. All what he needs to do is to read and I will be happy. This would be the only one which is here for the day going by what is happening.

Sen. Karaba Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, on a point of order. I had already expressed my disapproval as regards that allegation. It requires very serious substantiation. I am a member of Jubilee. I feel insulted when it is said that we go to River Road. I have never been to...

Sen. Karaba On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I am not John. I am Sen. Daniel Karaba.

Sen. Karaba Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I thank the Chairman of the Committee on Agriculture, Livestock and Fisheries very much for issuing the statement this time round. I hope that whatever he has given or tabled in this House is being implemented. Going by the answer given, I am afraid...

Sen. Karaba Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I have two or three clarifications I would like to seek. The first one is on what the Government is doing now that the people are suffering and they have no food to eat because the drought has persisted. Secondly, is the construction of...

Sen. Karaba Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, my other concern is that as a Senator, I am supposed to go around the ministries whether they are aware that Kirinyaga and the rice farmers of Mwea are suffering as a result of shortage. Surely, is that right? Can you make a ruling...

Sen. Karaba Madam Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the National Assembly Amendments to the County Early Childhood Education Bill (Senate Bill No.32 of 2014) be now considered. This is a Bill that was passed by the Senate and referred to the National Assembly for concurrence. The National Assembly...

Sen. Karaba Madam Temporary Speaker, I request that debate be now adjourned.

Sen. Karaba Madam Temporary Speaker, I beg to move the National Assembly amendments to the County Early Childhood Education Bill (Senate Bill No.32 of 2014) be now considered.

Sen. Karaba Madam Temporary Speaker, I thank the Senators for contributing a lot on this Bill. As they said, this is a very important Bill. If considered, it will save us a lot of problems. Earlier constructions of classrooms were haphazardly done. Some pupils did not even have class rooms....

Sen. Karaba Madam Temporary Speaker, I beg to move:- THAT, the debate be now adjourned. Madam Temporary Speaker, going by the fact that the Senators are busy with other important calls out there, I would wish that the debate be now adjourned and the Chairperson do report progress under Standing...

Sen. Karaba Mr. Speaker, Sir, I join you in receiving and congratulating the girls from Taita Taveta County for having come all the way to Nairobi to see what we do here in the Senate. I encourage them to learn more from here as well as the National Assembly if...

Sen. Karaba Mr. Speaker, Sir, I endeavor to deliver that statement in three weeks’ time.

Sen. Karaba Mr. Speaker, Sir, it is a laborious task.

Sen. Karaba I am obliged, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

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Sen. Karaba Mr. Speaker, Sir, we have heard the Chairperson of the Committee on Education, but it will be of great importance for us to know on record the details of their discussion when they attended the meeting with Sen. (Dr.) Zani and the lecturers. The country will be interested...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, we have heard the Chairperson of the Committee on Education, but it will be of great importance for us to know on record the details of their discussion when they attended the meeting with Sen. (Dr.) Zani and the lecturers. The country will be interested to know...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I want to agree with the House that the answer must come because we cannot allow a situation where we create a void. A question was raised in the House and the record must reflect that it was answered. We would also like to know, for posterity,...

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

What is it, Sen. Wangari?

Mr. Speaker, Sir, can Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale clarify what he means when he says that they “donated” a CS to the Government? I know that every person who is in Government is employed. It does not matter whether they are in the opposition or not. They do not have a...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, you have been challenged.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I would like to gladly clarify what I meant by the word “donation.” Without mentioning names because I am constrained by Standing Orders, a senior public officer in the Jubilee Government was recently in Kisii, the greater Gusii Land and he said that in spite of Kisii...

Order, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale! It might look interesting, but from what you are saying, there is no donation. If somebody is picked from an area that is considered of a particular political persuasion, it does not mean that each individual is of the same mindset. Just allow it to pass...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I stand guided, but may I inform the House that before Mr. Joseph Nkaissery resigned, he approached the co-principals of CORD, they held a crisis meeting, chaired by Baba and they allowed him to go. Surely, did they not donate unless the word “donation” has changed in...

Order, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale. We can engage in more constructive matters. You cannot donate and still have a crisis meeting.

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Proceed on the substantive matter, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I had concluded my substantive matter. It is already on record. He attempted to interrupt at the tail end.

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

What is it, Sen. Obure?

Mr. Speaker, Sir, on what Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale has just said, are we going to allow misconceptions to go on record? This is a House of records. He has just said that Gusii was an opposition zone even in 2013 and that it is the same case in 2017. I...

Order, Members! Sen. Obure, I thought you were going to bring the point even closer to the Senate. I thought you would mention that even of the two Senators, they seem to have different orientations, including a presidential ambition that could be counter. The Senate Minority Leader (

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I did not want to visit this, but is it in order for my great friend, Sen. Obure, who I have tremendous respect for, to say what he has said, when even where he is sitting betrays what he has said. He is sitting on the opposition...

Sen. KarabaI am sorry. Mwea is in Kirinyaga, anyway. Fertilizer always arrives ---

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Sen. Karaba Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table of the Senate today, Tuesday 28th March 2017:- The Teachers Service Commission Annual Report for the Period 2015/2016 (Sen. Karaba laid the document on the Table) ANNUAL REPORT OF THE NLC FOR 2015/2016

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Sen. Karaba Madam Temporary Speaker, I appreciate the four minutes. I will use it properly. In interrogating the speech, it is important to note that it gives a lot of hope for even the years to come. This has made most Kenyans proud. We have also noted that Kenya has...

Sen. Karaba On a point of order, Madam Temporary Speaker. Is Sen. Kajwang in order to mislead the country and the House that the Government is hell-bent on hounding constitutional office holders from office? Can he substantiate what he means by saying that the Government is harassing the Auditor-General’s Office?