Which Standing Order is your point of order from? The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Madzayo) : Sen. Madzayo) : Kiongozi wa Walio Wachache, naomba uwasilishe ombi lako moja kwa moja. The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Madzayo) : Bw. Naibu Spika, ndio Okay. Please proceed. The Senate Minority Leader (...

Mr. Speaker, I have no business whatsoever in what happens in the leadership of the Minority side, but I have an interest in the procedures of this House because we are leaders and we respect the rule of law. February 15, 2023 SENATE DEBATE 16

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

What is your point of order, Senate Majority Leader?

Sen. Madzayo) : On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I was waiting for the communication and because it was not forthcoming, the only way I would ask for an avenue, as a leader in this House, which I think I am entitled to--- I need...

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Madzayo) : Sen. Madzayo) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, someone once said that as leaders, we should be judged by the content of our speech. It is quite evident that the distinguished Senator is picketing. From her words, she is actually raising something. She is not on her menstrual cycle....

Sen. Madzayo) :(Loud consultations) Bw. Spika, hoja yangu ya nidhamu ni kwamba kuambatana na sheria za hapa ndani yaani Standing Orders zetu na pia zile sheria ambazo ni za Spika, tunatambua ya kwamba ni lazima mtu awe amevaa kisawasawa. Hatuwezi kuingilia katika maisha ya mtu vile anavyotaka kuvaa, lakini hapa...

I now get it. Sen. Wambua, you may proceed.

What is out of order about Sen. Gloria Orwoba’s dressing? (Loud consultations) February 14, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 11

The Senate Minority Leader, just have your seat. I will let you have your day. Before I allow the Senate Minority Leader to speak, let me look at Speaker’s Rules Rule No.5. I want to know how it is admissible in this regard. Sen. Tabitha, can you guide us. Explain...

The Chair wishes to know. What is out of order about, Sen. Gloria Orwoba’s dressing? I do not want to do guesswork. (Loud consultations)

Mr. Speaker, Sir, respect should be given where respect is due. However, in circumstances where respect is not due, then we do not ascribe respect. This is a House of respect. There are things that should never be allowed in the Senate of the Republic of Kenya. Mr. Speaker, Sir,...

Sen. Orwoba, what is your point of order? February 14, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 12

Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Speaker’s Rules are very clear on our dress code for both for the male and female Senators. As a woman and Senator, I find it very uncomfortable and inappropriate for our colleague Sen. Gloria to come to the House in a stained pant. I do not...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, on a point of order. I am dressed as per the Standing Orders. I am covered, I have a suit and collars. I am just short of a tie. I am very disappointed. I am actually more disappointed because the point of order that is being raised...

Sen. Madzayo) : Senate Minority Leader, you need to ask yourself whether Kiswahili is the mode of communication in Uganda. Otherwise, the delegation may not hear the good words that you are saying. The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Madzayo) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, Ugandans speak fluent Kiswahili. We have been...

Senate Minority Leader, you need to ask yourself whether Kiswahili is the mode of communication in Uganda. Otherwise, the delegation may not hear the good words that you are saying. The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Madzayo) : Sen. Madzayo) : What is your point of order, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale?

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for giving me an opportunity to contribute to this very important Motion. The constitution of the SBC provides an opportunity for the House to plan its business and execute it for the benefit of serving Kenyans appropriately. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I must commend the Senate...

Hon. Senators, you may now proceed to make your contributions starting with, Sen. Maanzo.

Sen. Madzayo

survival of the counties purely rests on Division Revenue Bill and how Senators support the counties to have resources to be able to function.This House and its duties are very important when it comes to devolution. It has also given hope to Kenyans that development is able to reach every...

Sen. Madzayo) :I agree with Members that have said that sometimes Motions, Statement and Bills are being called---I do not want to say that my colleagues are busy with other things. They are also busy serving people. However, they should teach their people that they also have business to transact.Sometimes...

tuko, tukitia bidii. Tulienda induction ama kufunzwa na kupata taaluma za juu zaidi ili tukija hapa, tuchape kazi vyema. Ndugu yangu Sen. Cherargei ana taaluma ya juu, ili hawa wengine wawe na taaluma kama Sen. Cherargei, lazima tuelimishane.Hii kamati italeta mambo mazuri ndani ya Bunge la Seneti. Sisi tunatakikana kuiga...

Proceed, Sen. Cherargei.

Sen. Madzayo) : Sen. Madzayo) :

Sen. Madzayo) : Order, Members! I am calling them over. Senate Majority Leader, proceed.

Sen. Madzayo) : Sen. Madzayo) :

Sen. Madzayo Asante, Bw. Spika. Kwanza ninataka kumpa kongole ya juu sana ndugu yetu Sen. Kisang Wiliam Kipkemoi. Amefanya juhudi ya kuwabwaga wale wengine ili kupata nafasi ya kuja hapa akiwa Seneta wa Elgeyo Marakwet. Hilo ni jukumu la watu wa Elgeyo Marakwet ambao wamekupatia na ni lazima uwafanyie kazi....

Sen. Madzayo Bw. Spika, tuko na mwenzetu, Seneta aliyechaguliwa ameingia na kuapishwa. Kama ilivyo kawaida yetu, nafikiri ingekuwa muhimu kwetu kwanza tuweze kumkaribisha na kumpa kongole yake kubwa kwa sababu alishiriki katika January 19, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 3 Sen. Madzayouchaguzi ambao ulipiganiwa na watu lakini aliweza kushinda. Amekuja hapa na...

Sen. Madzayo) : Sen. Madzayo) :still get commissioners who are lawyers. Why do we insist on the LSK getting a slot there? That is discriminatory.Mr. Speaker, Sir, as Senators, we have an opportunity to demonstrate leadership by agreeing on this. Today, the issue is not about numbers but about this...

Sen. Madzayo) : Sen. Madzayo) : Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity to also make my contribution to this very important debate. I want to bring a new perspective and thinking into this debate. The amount of suspicion and emotion that goes into electioneering comes because...

Sen. Madzayo) : Sen. Madzayo) : Proceed, Sen. Osotsi.

Sen. Madzayo): Mr. Speaker, Sir, two quick observations. One, is that many substantive issues were raised by the MCAs but fortunately it was close over. Secondly, today, in my observation, we have legitimized temporary impunity where you go to an office, you foul the law and that is it. Third---...

Sen. Madzayo) : Indeed, Sen. Methu, that language is unparliamentary. Kindly retract and proceed to conclude your comments. Bw. Spika, sijui kama ulisikia Seneta alivyosema hapa. Alisema kwamba kuna guys hapa. Nashindwa hawa guys ni akina nani. Hapa kuna distinguished Senators. Matumizi ya lugha ni muhimu sana hapa kwa sababu...

Sen. Madzayo):Nina imani na Kamati Maalum itakayo chaguliwa. Tuko na imani ya kwamba watatupatia mwelekeo wa kisawasawa. Vile vile, tumekuwa hapa ndani ya Seneti na ni wakati za kuthibitisha ya kwamba Seneti, vile tunavyosema ndio ‘nyumba kubwa’ ya Bunge hili letu la Kenya. Kwa hivyo, tuchukue nafasi hii kuona ya...

I will allow a minute to Sen. Olekina because he was in school there.

Sen. Madzayo) : I will allow a minute to Sen. Olekina because he was in school there. (Applause)

Vile umetafsiri, sijui kama ni kiingereza ndiyo inachanganya ama vipi. Sijaskia akisema hivyo. Sen. Cherarkey, kindly have your seat for a minute. Sen. Cheptumo, please proceed.

Sen. Madzayo) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am in this House now and I heard what Sen. Cherarkey said. He said it in English. I do not think that what my learned senior is saying is actually what Sen. Cherarkey said. Is he in order to mislead the House...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am in this House now and I heard what Sen. Cherarkey said. He said it in English. I do not think that what my learned senior is saying is actually what Sen. Cherarkey said. Is he in order to mislead the House by misinterpreting what...

Sen. Madzayo) : Sen. Madzayo) :

Sen. Madzayo) : We will now move to the next Statement. Hon. Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, please proceed.

Sen. Madzayo) : Sen. Madzayo) :

Sen. Madzayo) : Sen. Madzayo) :

Sen. Madzayo) : Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, the matter before us is of national interest. We are being called upon as leaders to find solutions to the dire hunger facing our country. We are called upon to take care of the people we represent in this House. It is quite...

Sen. Madzayo) : I want to intervene so that we do not waste much time again. What is your point of order Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale? Is the Senator for Kakamega, whom we have been together for a long time and I respect so much, in order to say that I...

Sen. Madzayo) : Sen. Madzayo) : Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. This is a point of information to the distinguished Senator for Kakamega County on allergies. He has just spoken about it. He has asked to be told of one incident in history where issues have been caused by...

Thank you, for the information but it looks like you are a poor student. The Hon. Sen. Orengo was referring to a statement of literature, that is “revolutions eat their own children”. Therefore, when you want to apply facts of science, keep away from the drama of literature. Mr. Temporary...

Sen. Madzayo) : I directed earlier that we are going to stick to the five minutes program because of the limitation of time to debate this Motion. Sen. Faki, proceed to give conclusion. Can I inform Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale?

Sen. Madzayo) : Hon. Senators, I direct that the Division Bell be rung for another five minutes. (The Division Bell was rung) There is some mix up. Please let me correct. (Sen. Olekina spoke off-record) (Laughter)

Sen. Olekina, the House is very active. The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Madzayo) : Sen. Madzayo) : On a point of order. November 22, 2022 SENATE DEBATES 14

Hon. Senators, pursuant to Standing Order No. 37 (5) , I do confirm that we have met the requisite threshold. I therefore direct that the Senate will stand adjourned at 5.30 p.m. today to discuss the said Motion. (Resumption of Division on Bill) (Loud Consultations)

Sen. Madzayo) : The Senator is on a point of order. We are dealing with a point of order. Sen. Madzayo, what you have read is different from what you submitted. The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Madzayo) : There is some mix up. Please let me correct. (Sen. Olekina spoke...

Sen. Madzayo) : Sen. Madzayo) : Hon. Senators, pursuant to Standing Order No. 37 (5) , I do confirm that we have met the requisite threshold. I therefore direct that the Senate will stand adjourned at 5.30 p.m. today to discuss the said Motion. (Resumption of Division on Bill) (Loud...