David Ouma Ochieng'

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Kisumu West, proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ruku, you are allowed to ask Hon. Pukose for notes.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member of Baringo County. (Several Members raised hands) Members, refrain from carrying up your hands because I have a board I am looking at.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Osoro, what are you talking about? Hon. Irene speaks very good Luo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Narok North.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) That is in order. Go ahead, Hon. Mayaka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Lamu East.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Anthony Thomas Oluoch, go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Anthony Oluoch.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) So, what is your point of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ruku, would you repeat again that you second the Bill?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Dorothy Ikiara.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Igembe Central, proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Pukose.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Ndhiwa.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Farah, we are dealing with a very difficult situation. Have one minute then. And I mean one minute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Osoro, even the Whip is required to go back to the Bar and bow, then come back down. (Hon. Silvanus Osoro went to the Bar and bowed to the Chair)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, having confirmed that we are quorate, I will now put the Question. (Question put and agreed to) (The Bill was read a Second Time and committed to Committee of the whole House) ADJOURNMENT The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Marsabit. Please, give her five minutes. You alerted Hon. Ruweida when she still had two minutes so she had to wind up earlier.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Deputy Leader of the Minority Party. Member for Kathiani Constituency.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Yes, Hon. Fatuma.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) How did you gauge the mood of the House, Hon. Makilap?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Martin Wanyonyi. Is the Hon. Dekow Dalo in the House? Is that you? (Hon. Dekow Mohammed spoke off the record) Is that the Member for Garissa Township? Right after Hon. Martin.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Order Members. Hon. Makilap has risen on his feet and claimed that we call the Mover to reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member of Parliament for Trans Nzoia County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Where have you been fighting?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member for Nambale.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Mayaka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Order, Members. Hon. Farah,

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kiarie, you cannot shout ‘point of order’ from your seat. I cannot see your request. What is out of order? Is that the Member for Nyeri Town? (Hon. John Kiarie spoke off the record) That is the Member for Gatundu North, Hon. Kururia.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Migori, Hon. Fatuma Mohammed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Mover.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next is the Member for Sotik, who will be followed by the Member for Trans Nzoia.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I am grappling with what to do with the orange women high table. I do not know what to do because they are all lined up one after the other. I will give chances to two of them so that all of you share...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ruku, you have been asked to second the Bill. I order that you proceed to second it.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Asante sana. Turudi Nairobi na twende Dagoretti Kaskazini.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mbai, I heard you complain. The last time I called you, you were in another world. This is your chance.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Nyikal.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Is that the mood of the House that the Mover be called upon to reply?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Oluoch, you have had your day. This is my ruling on that matter. Based on what I have heard from Hon. Oluoch as his reasons for calling upon the Mover to reply, I direct that his standing up on Standing Order 95 is...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mbai, you will have to do something in a better way. Sorry for the interruption. Please, do something.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Is the Member for Igembe Central, Hon. Daniel Karitho in the House? Let us have the Member for Bureti.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much. Hon. Members, the Member for Gatundu North, Hon. Kururia Elijah Njore Njoroge, rose on his feet and claimed that we should call the Mover to reply. Is it the mood of the House that we call upon the Mover to...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You will allow the Member on the Floor to finish her contribution.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hold on. Hon. Members, this is something that is very simple. You do not have to spend any energy or emotions on it. What Hon. Makilap has done is what is done normally. (Hon. Silvanus Osoro spoke off the record) Hon. Osoro. What Hon....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Shall I put the question on that matter?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. John Mutunga.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Mosop.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, Hon. Osoro has proposed that we reduce the time for debating on this Bill, that is, the Facilities Improvement Financing Bill No. 43 of 2023, from the normal time to five minutes per Member contributing. (Question, that speaking time be reduced to...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ruku, resume your seat.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)The Clerks-at-the-Table, you are

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Wilberforce Oundo of Funyula Constituency. I hope that you take a short time like other Members.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Mombasa County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Give the former Principal Secretary one minute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Oluoch, what is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member of Parliament for Nakuru County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Makilap, what is out of order? Wait for the microphone. Hon. Owino, resume your seat for a minute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What is your point of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. (Question proposed) The first contributor will be Hon. Pukose.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Seme.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Thank you very much Hon. Baya. For obvious reasons, I will call the next Order. (Putting of the Question deferred) THE PRIMARY HEALTHCARE BILL The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Who is moving? Is it the Majority Whip? Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Kisumu West, proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ruku, you are allowed to ask Hon. Pukose for notes.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member of Baringo County. (Several Members raised hands) Members, refrain from carrying up your hands because I have a board I am looking at.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Osoro, what are you talking about? Hon. Irene speaks very good Luo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Narok North.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) That is in order. Go ahead, Hon. Mayaka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Lamu East.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Anthony Thomas Oluoch, go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Anthony Oluoch.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) So, what is your point of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ruku, would you repeat again that you second the Bill?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Dorothy Ikiara.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Igembe Central, proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Pukose.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Ndhiwa.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Farah, we are dealing with a very difficult situation. Have one minute then. And I mean one minute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Osoro, even the Whip is required to go back to the Bar and bow, then come back down. (Hon. Silvanus Osoro went to the Bar and bowed to the Chair)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, having confirmed that we are quorate, I will now put the Question. (Question put and agreed to) (The Bill was read a Second Time and committed to Committee of the whole House) ADJOURNMENT The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Marsabit. Please, give her five minutes. You alerted Hon. Ruweida when she still had two minutes so she had to wind up earlier.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Deputy Leader of the Minority Party. Member for Kathiani Constituency.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Yes, Hon. Fatuma.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) How did you gauge the mood of the House, Hon. Makilap?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Martin Wanyonyi. Is the Hon. Dekow Dalo in the House? Is that you? (Hon. Dekow Mohammed spoke off the record) Is that the Member for Garissa Township? Right after Hon. Martin.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Order Members. Hon. Makilap has risen on his feet and claimed that we call the Mover to reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member of Parliament for Trans Nzoia County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Where have you been fighting?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member for Nambale.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Mayaka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Order, Members. Hon. Farah,

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kiarie, you cannot shout ‘point of order’ from your seat. I cannot see your request. What is out of order? Is that the Member for Nyeri Town? (Hon. John Kiarie spoke off the record) That is the Member for Gatundu North, Hon. Kururia.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Migori, Hon. Fatuma Mohammed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Mover.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next is the Member for Sotik, who will be followed by the Member for Trans Nzoia.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I am grappling with what to do with the orange women high table. I do not know what to do because they are all lined up one after the other. I will give chances to two of them so that all of you share...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ruku, you have been asked to second the Bill. I order that you proceed to second it.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Asante sana. Turudi Nairobi na twende Dagoretti Kaskazini.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mbai, I heard you complain. The last time I called you, you were in another world. This is your chance.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Nyikal.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Is that the mood of the House that the Mover be called upon to reply?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Oluoch, you have had your day. This is my ruling on that matter. Based on what I have heard from Hon. Oluoch as his reasons for calling upon the Mover to reply, I direct that his standing up on Standing Order 95 is...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mbai, you will have to do something in a better way. Sorry for the interruption. Please, do something.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Is the Member for Igembe Central, Hon. Daniel Karitho in the House? Let us have the Member for Bureti.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much. Hon. Members, the Member for Gatundu North, Hon. Kururia Elijah Njore Njoroge, rose on his feet and claimed that we should call the Mover to reply. Is it the mood of the House that we call upon the Mover to...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You will allow the Member on the Floor to finish her contribution.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hold on. Hon. Members, this is something that is very simple. You do not have to spend any energy or emotions on it. What Hon. Makilap has done is what is done normally. (Hon. Silvanus Osoro spoke off the record) Hon. Osoro. What Hon....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Shall I put the question on that matter?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. John Mutunga.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Mosop.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, Hon. Osoro has proposed that we reduce the time for debating on this Bill, that is, the Facilities Improvement Financing Bill No. 43 of 2023, from the normal time to five minutes per Member contributing. (Question, that speaking time be reduced to...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ruku, resume your seat.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)The Clerks-at-the-Table, you are

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Wilberforce Oundo of Funyula Constituency. I hope that you take a short time like other Members.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Mombasa County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Give the former Principal Secretary one minute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Oluoch, what is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member of Parliament for Nakuru County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Makilap, what is out of order? Wait for the microphone. Hon. Owino, resume your seat for a minute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What is your point of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. (Question proposed) The first contributor will be Hon. Pukose.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Seme.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Thank you very much Hon. Baya. For obvious reasons, I will call the next Order. (Putting of the Question deferred) THE PRIMARY HEALTHCARE BILL The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Who is moving? Is it the Majority Whip? Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Chairperson, respond to that quickly.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of the whole House has considered the Social Health Insurance Bill (National Assembly Bill No.58 of 2023) and approved the same with amendments.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. (Question, that the words to be left out be left out, put and agreed to) 27th September 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 70 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)(Question, that the words to be inserted in place thereof be inserted, put and agreed...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Dawood.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)(Clause 25 as amended agreed to)Thank you.(Question, that the words to be left out be left out, put and agreed to)Clause 26 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Chairperson, proceed.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of the whole House has considered the Digital Health Bill (National Assembly Bill No. 57 of 2023) and its approval thereof with amendments.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Chairperson, do you still want to say something on this?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Gikaria, this is your chance.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. (Question of the amendment proposed) (Question, that the words to be left out be left out, put and agreed to) (Question, that the words to be inserted in place thereof be inserted, put and agreed to) (Clause 7 as amended agreed to)...

Hon. Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng') Hon. Leader of the Majority Party, will you resume your seat? 27th September 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 53 (Loud consultations)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. (Question of the amendment proposed) The Hon. Oluoch, proceed.

Hon. Temporary Chairman. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’)Thank you. Finally, Hon. Chairman.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Oundo, one minute.

Hon. Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng') Thank you. Let us do so. This chance will go to Hon. Pukose to clarify the issues of amendments that were being raised and about the variances.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you very much. The main intention of this Bill is to repeal the Act and create a new system of governing and managing the provisions of social health in the country. I start by saying that I support this Bill in its current form...

Hon. David Ochieng (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I would have imagined that if you wanted a more serious surgery in this sector, the first Clause after Clause 3 would have been a declaration that no public servant would seek medical services from the private sector. I would...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you very much. The main intention of this Bill is to repeal the Act and create a new system of governing and managing the provisions of social health in the country. I start by saying that I support this Bill in its current form...

Hon. David Ochieng (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I would have imagined that if you wanted a more serious surgery in this sector, the first Clause after Clause 3 would have been a declaration that no public servant would seek medical services from the private sector. I would...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of the whole House has considered the Sugar Bill (National Assembly Bill No.34 of 2022) and approved the same with amendments.

(Question, that the new clause be read a Second Time, proposed) The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’): Yes,

Hon. Temporary Chairman. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’)Okay. I will listen to one person who has not spoken this evening; Hon. Shinali.

Hon. David Ochieng’ Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of the whole House has considered the Sugar Bill (National Assembly Bill No.34 of 2022) and approved the same with amendments.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I am already brief. I am quite short. Sugar is not just a product that is put on our tables. It is a political product. It has always been all over the world. There are only two kinds of barons in the...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I am already brief. I am quite short. Sugar is not just a product that is put on our tables. It is a political product. It has always been all over the world. There are only two kinds of barons in the...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I want to ask a question.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, ODM) Hon. Temporary Speaker, if you allow me, I want to ask all my questions so I do not come back.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) One, what is the Cabinet Secretary doing to ensure he takes charge of the Ministry and sports affairs in the country? Two, we have heard this Government works through an approach called ‘one government’. As a follow-up question: Is it the policy of the Government...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) I have sat here listening pensively to my friend, the Cabinet Secretary for Sports. I can tell you from where I sit, he is not in charge because he kept passing the blame on federations. On the Special Olympics, it is the Olympics Committee that...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kajwang’ what is it? I want to propose the Question first and then you can have a word. (Question of the amendment proposed) Hon. Kajwang’

Hon. Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’)Thank you.(Question, that the word to be left out be left out, put and agreed to)(New Section 992A as amended agreed to)(Question, that the words to be inserted in place thereof be inserted, put and agreed to)(Provisions relating to the Companies Act, No.17 of 2015...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I will allow the Chairperson to move the amendments. In fact, he has taken into account what was raised by Hon. Kajwang’ in the morning. He is proposing a further amendment. After he moves, if you can convince him to adopt your amendment, I...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Millie.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I beg to report that the Committee of the whole House has considered the Climate Change (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bill No.42 of 2023) and approved the same with amendments.

Hon. Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) Mover.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I beg to report that the Committee of the whole House has considered the Anti-Money Laundering and Combating of Terrorism Financing Laws (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bill No.35 of 2023) up to the provisions relating to the Proceeds...

Hon. Temporary Chairman. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’)Thank you. (Question, that the new clause be read a Second Time, proposed) (Question, that the new clause be read a Second Time, put and agreed to) (Question, that the new clause be added to the Bill, put and agreed to) Hon....

Hon. Millie. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’)Order. Just take your seat for a minute, Hon. Ichung’wah.I, therefore, support the amendment. Please, you can put the Question. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’): Leader of the Majority Party, you need to consult with the Chairperson because he is proposing to...

Hon. Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) This can go either way, Hon. Members. Hon. Wangwe.