ODHIAMBO, MILLIE GRACE AKOTH

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. Farah Maalim) : Move it as it appears in the Order Paper. Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, clause 40 of the Bill be amended in subclause (1) by deleting the words “and principles” and substituting therefor the words...

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Chairman. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. Farah Maalim): What is your point of order? Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. To enable us make progress, this is not the Second Reading of the Bill, but Committee of the whole House. If you look at what...

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Chairman. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. Farah Maalim) : Yes, what is your point of order? Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. I urge Members to listen. Yes, you are very right. We are splitting hairs over the same thing. We are interested in conservation...

Did you reduce the percentage for the others? If you reduced the percentage for the others, it is okay, but confirm it in The Hansard. Hon. Temporary Chairman, I can read what was there before. The amendment in Clause 27 (13) states: The Levy collected under subsection 12 shall be...

Yes, I agree to be informed.

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I have been informed. Can I continue? (Hon. Ruweida Mohamed spoke off the record) The Temporary Chairman (Hon. Farah Maalim) : Yes, Hon. Millie Mabona. Order, Hon. Ruweida. You will get all the time you need to contribute. Hon. Temporary Chairman. I have been informed. I thank...

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Chairman. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. Farah Maalim) : Yes, Hon. Millie, what is your point of order? Hon. Temporary Chairman, can I make a special request? I know that before the House Business Committee, we have actually sought the pushing of this Bill...

No, it is a government Bill. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. Farah Maalim) : I know it is a government Bill, but you are part of the government. Your people depend almost exclusively on fish and sugarcane. I do not know whether you should move an Adjournment Motion. Okay, proceed. No,...

Can I just inform? The Temporary Chairman (Hon. Farah Maalim) : Yes, Hon. Millie. Hon. Temporary Speaker, I know that there is quite a heavy business next week. Even if we are requesting the House Business Committee to load it, we may be forced, as somebody has suggested, to have...

It is actually a language. The only challenge, as you can see, is that no Member is following me. Hon. Oluoch, what did I say? You said three things and you do not know. You are just trying to guess. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. Farah Maalim) : Order. Hon. Oluoch,...

Actually, I have communicated. You can see he does not know. I request that you protect me under Standing Order 1. It allows you to enable me to continue my contribution even in a different language because other Members will not understand what I am saying. (Laughter) I was moving...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, the questions that we are asking here reflect the problem we are facing as a country. There are other countries that provide gadgets like that. Because we have not invested in this sector, we are asking how. It is not really up to us as a House...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. I hear Hon. Baya very well. For information, I was telling him that when I was in the civil society, there was no provision by any media house for interpretation like now. And the argument was around cost. At the Cradle, we took on the...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. I would like to request Deputy Leader of the Majority Party to listen to this. I have heard what he said, but he is speaking to legislative elegance but not substance. We are speaking to legislative drafting style, philosophy and preference. There was a big...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. Having listened to Hon. Nzuri, not Hon. Baya, I would like to say that I hear him. We are talking about sign language. As a language, it needs a home within the Ministry of Education. We want students to be taught sign language from childhood...

Which clauses did you recommit?

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I want to tell the Leader of the Majority Party that what he is doing is not in good faith. We have been consulting back and forth and agreeing. We had agreed to recommit one clause, 8B. Instead, he is coming up with recommittals without...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I want to thank the Hon. Members who are standing with me and supporting me, even though Hon. Baya says that if I were not yet married, and I know it is in good will, and I know Mr Mabona is watching. But when you...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I take this opportunity to congratulate Hon. Umulkher and Sen. Asige, who are the principal sponsors and, of course, Sen. Kamar, who was a secondary sponsor in the Senate. It is a good Bill. It shows that we are concerned about the welfare of people...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I support the proposed amendments to the Penal Code (Amendment) Bill by Hon. Anthony Oluoch. I am very proud of Hon. Anthony Oluoch. I have known him for a very long time because he is a good friend of my brother Dan Harrison. They were...

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Hon. Millie Odhiambo, what is out of order? Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I would like to comment on the demise of the lady in Australia. It was raised with us when we were in Australia last month. They said she had...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I wish to cautiously support this Bill. On the face of it, this is an extremely good Bill, especially for our country. Earlier, I was at a function where I was being interviewed by one of these young people trying to make a living. They...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. As you know, all my life I have worked around issues of child protection. I agree with the Members that what is going on around the country in relation to children is very concerning. When the Committee will consider this matter, I request them to...

On a point of order. What is out of order, Hon. Millie? Hon. Temporary Speaker, a Member is purporting to give answers relating to the Government when he is in Linda Mwananchi. (Laughter)

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. This Bill is pretty big and we are moving very fast. We were supposed to sit and harmonise the amendments with the Committee but because of time, we did not. I would like to encourage the Chair, in good faith, to mention the clauses where...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. At the face of it, an Advisory Council would be good because it is more permanent. When other governments come in, they may not prioritise the department. However, if you look at the way it was crafted, there were so many conflicting mandates and one...

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Chairman. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. Peter Kaluma) : Hon. Millie, before you prosecute your point of order, allow me to propose the question. (Question of the amendment proposed) Hon. Millie. Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. I seek your direction because the Committee is...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, the Committee’s proposed amendment to Clause 8 (c) states: Develop standards for the management of all fisheries and aquaculture activities and fishing related activities within the scope of this Act. My amendment states: Ensure the appropriate development of standards on conservation, management, sustainable use, development and protection...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I just wanted to clarify whether the Committee has deleted Clause 9. Have you proposed amendments? The Temporary Chairman (Hon. Peter Kaluma) : Let me guide you, Hon. Millie. Clause 9 has not been deleted. It has only been amended by deleting certain provisions, which the Committee...

Thank you. Hon. Temporary Chairman, I support but I wish to seek the attention of the Chairman. (Hon. Kangogo Bowen consulted with his technical team) I think he is consulting. Chairman of the Committee. Hon. Bowen, I was just wondering if you could clarify why under 10 (1) (g) ,...

But that is what he is proposing to delete. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. Peter Kaluma) : Yes, and it is replaced that with specific mentions of agencies like NEMA. Hon. Owen Baya.

Yes. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. Peter Kaluma) : Go ahead. I beg to move: THAT, Clause 16 of the Bill be further amended in subclause (4) by inserting the words “and in consultation with the Salaries and Remuneration Commission” immediately after the words “reasonable time”. I am seeking that the...

It also makes good sense to include the provision in the Bill even if it is already in the Constitution. The Bible tells us to remind them even when they know. That is why we are also providing for gender and youth even though they are already in the Constitution....

It is on Monitoring, Control and Surveillance. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. Peter Kaluma) : Could you give the Chairman the microphone just to clarify? (Hon. Charles Nguna spoke off the record) Hon. Ngusya, you are not yet recognised. Let the Chairman make the clarification or do you want to inform...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. The navigation space in this House is a challenge, especially for people with my endowment, my adhiambo. (Laughter) Hon. Temporary Chairman, maybe I can explain this; this is a very critical issue that has emerged since the repealed Act was passed. When we were coming...

I have already drawn it. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. Peter Kaluma) : Present it to the Clerks-at-the-Table. I may grant you leave to move if it is ready. Could you consult? (Hon. Millie Odhiambo-Mabona consulted Hon. Kangogo Bowen) This being the Committee of the whole House, I will allow that...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. I encourage Hon. Members to listen carefully. We have actually consulted with the Hon. Chairman of the Committee and what we have agreed because of those concerns you are raising, I wanted to put nautical miles but even the legal drafters advised that if we...

Establishment of standards for ensuring equitable access to fisheries resources including navigation space, fishing space, access to other resources including an in-shore exclusive zone. Period. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. Peter Kaluma) : It is clear and makes sense now. (Question, that the words to be left out be left out,...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. I agree with the Chairperson in principle that it may not be necessary to have the two funds as they are fairly similar. However, my proposed amendment sought to include support for artisanal fisheries as one of the functions of the fund. Would the Chairperson...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I wish to inform the Chairperson that I am also an expert in mainstreaming issues affecting marginalised groups, including women and marginalised communities. The lake fisherfolk are a marginalised community. They are being treated as a footnote. Providing for their needs in the regulations relegates them to...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. I wish to strongly support. You have seen where Hon. Caroli Omondi is seated. He almost jumped saying two-term because of the provision for artisanal fishers and even by providing percentages. I can see that the spirit of the Bottom-up Economic Transformation Agenda (BETA) is...

Thank you Hon. Temporary Chairman. I wish to support the proposed amendment by the Chair because it actually carried the proposed amendments that Hon. Irene Mayaka says correctly deals with my favourite the jolupo. It actually talks about enabling them to also adopt modern alternative methods of livelihoods and also...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I wish to support that proposal. If you look at it, you will see that the Committee has adopted my amendments, and I want to thank the Committee's Chairperson. I think the Committee’s attitude is very good. Since we were unable to enter a harmonisation process, they...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I wish to withdraw my amendment. After looking at it again, I realise it seeks to encourage counties to consider the Director-General's recommendations. Initially, when I looked at it, it seemed to compel them, which would go against devolution. However, it does not. It states that they...

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Chairman. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. Peter Kaluma) : What is out of order, Hon. Millie? Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. I need your direction. I am proposing a deletion. Does it mean that my proposal takes precedence? I need your direction. When I...

I would like to say, for the record, that I have a proposed New Clause 35A which I am not withdrawing. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. Peter Kaluma): Have you withdrawn your amendment in Clause 35? I have withdrawn it. (Proposed amendment by Hon. Millie Odhiambo-Mabona withdrawn) (Clause 35 as amended...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. I support this proposed amendment. I also thank the Committee for adopting my proposed amendment. Consequently, my proposed amendment will fall. The major import of this amendment is that it strengthens BMUs, as the Chair has indicated. I love your integrity, Hon. Chairman. This is...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairperson. I want to inform Hon. Farah. There are many foreigners in my constituency, including Somalis, some of whom are not Kenyan. On Ringiti Island, a lady named Annette from Uganda was practically in charge. She has since gone back to Uganda. Because of the loose...

Hon. Temporary Chairperson, before Hon. Farah rose on a point of order, I was going to say that we have nothing against foreigners, whether they are Somalis from Somalia or Chinese. Right now, the highest number of investors in my constituency are Kenyan Somalis and Chinese. There may be foreign...

On a point of information, Hon. Temporary Chairman. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. Peter Kaluma) : Yes, Hon. Millie. That will be the last contribution then we put the matter to a decision. Hon. Temporary Chairman, in many ways we are raising valid concerns. I am listening to Members. What Hon....

I have an amendment. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. Peter Kaluma) : Hon. Millie, if the amendment by the Chairperson is carried, your amendments in terms of subclauses 3, 4 and 5 will fall. You will remain with amendments in terms of sub-clause 1 and the new sub-clauses 8 (j) and...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. I support this amendment. However, my concern is that they did not provide for the local communities or the BMUs in the consultation. The reason I am saying this is that sometimes, closed season is imposed at very inappropriate time. For example, when there is...

Thank you. You know, I also studied Environmental Law, just like you did. As a conservationist and a person who is also concerned with livelihoods, I believe we need to ensure that our stocks are regenerated. You know that some species of fish, like mudfish, mumi, and others have disappeared...

They have dwindled because of introducing the Nile Perch, which ate up the old varieties. Another reason is overfishing and use of illegal gear. The tragedy is that people do that because of poverty. I was sharing a case earlier in a meeting today. With your indulgence, I will just...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. On my behalf and on behalf of the people of Suba North, I convey our condolences for the passing of Hon. Gideon Konchellah. I served with him in this Parliament. He was a very dedicated and calm Member. His 20 years in Parliament prove his commitment...

On a point of order, Hon. Speaker. Yes, Hon. Millie. Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I know that Hon. Esther Passaris is well-intentional by trying to move medicinal aspects of, what do you call it again, cannabis or njaga? Or ganja. Yes, ganja, or whatever it is. But Hon. Speaker, is...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. It is very easy to theorise that it is well-intentioned to legalise it for medical reasons. My nephew was released from hospital yesterday. He has become schizophrenic because of using drugs. It has been a long journey. It has depressed my sister. We spend no less...

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Let us hear Hon. Millie’s point of order. Hon. Temporary Speaker, I am a human rights person who believes in justice. Yes. Whether you like Hon. Sifuna or not, the correct words to describe him is the embattled Secretary-General but not former...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I stand to support the mediated version and, in saying so, I want to thank the Committee Members. I know it was not an easy task. I also want to thank the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Budget and Appropriations. They have done an...

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker. What is your point of order, Hon. Millie Odhiambo? Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Is Hon. Ndindi in order to talk about the Judicial Academy, which has to do with the Judiciary, without mentioning the decision that has just been made over...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I just wanted to add my voice to the issue. You want to joyride? Yes Please. As a child protection expert, this is an issue I have spoken about before. There is a growing concern in this nation that the number of children who are disappearing...

On a point of order, Hon. Speaker. Yes, Hon. Millie. Sorry, Hon. Speaker. I hate to interrupt the Leader of the Majority Party, especially now that I am in the leadership of the Broad-Based Government. But I am just wondering, is the Member in order to imply that USA is...

Thank you. Ask one question only. Do not make a speech. Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I was actually not going to give a speech. You are the one prompting me to. I am not asking… If you try, I will stop you. Go ahead, Hon. Millie. I am giving Hon....

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I give my condolences to the families of the girls who lost their lives. This is not the first time we have faced this as a country. Let us not have knee-jerk reactions to this situation by condemning parents, teachers and everyone when the problem might...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I largely agree with you. Probably, what the Hon. Member is referring to was last week when Hon. Ndindi Nyoro was being taken on by several Members. I think that was one of the liveliest moments in the House. The proceedings of this House are not...

On a point of order, Hon. Chairlady.

Thank you, Hon. Chairlady. I may have been a bit distracted, but are we on Clause 27 or Clause 26?

Sorry.

(Clauses 24, 25 and 26 agreed to)Thank you. Clause 27

Thank you, Hon. Chairlady. I need clarification from the Chair of the Departmental Committee on Health. Their proposed amendment is to delete paragraph (j) , but they have not given a good reason for the deletion. Clause 27 says: “The function of the authority shall be to inspect and accredit...

Thank you, Hon. Chairlady. I want to persuade the Chair of the Committee. Even though there are many regulatory authorities that deal with training, they deal with general health training. This is specifically regarding health care and patient safety. It is not about general medical care.This is a good Bill,...

Hon. Chairlady, I am not convinced. Using the same argument, the other paragraphs in this section do not only talk of infrastructure. For instance, paragraph (g) establishes and implements a system for accreditation of health facilities for quality of health care. So, it is not only the infrastructure. I am...

Thank you. I support this. The proposed amendments by the Chairperson are strengthening the voice, especially regarding patients' rights. It is just unfortunate that due to the Mwongozo code, we have to limit the amendments. Otherwise, I would have preferred that we even have a stronger voice.I dealt with the...

Thank you, Hon. Chairlady. My apologies. I know we need to move quickly but, those of us who do a lot of mainstreaming work tend to look at the interests of different sectors. I, therefore, wish to support this amendment and particularly, the reduction of the age requirement, as it...

Thank you, Hon. Chairlady. I support this amendment. Even though the Chairman of the Committee has not spoken to the second part, it is a very good amendment. They are deleting the words, ‘between health facilities, patients, healthcare providers and regulatory bodies”, when this Bill is really about patients and...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I congratulate the Departmental Committee on Health on coming up with this Bill which is really long overdue. The Bill says it is the Quality Health Care and Patient Safety Bill. It speaks to the protection of the rights and safety of patients. I will...

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Hon. Millie, what is your point of order? Please take your seat. That is another level of misadventure. Proceed, Hon. Millie. Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Is the Hon. Member in order in imputing ineffectiveness in my work by saying I do...

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Let us hear a point of order from Hon. Millie. Just take a seat. This is a very serious debate. Hon. Millie, what is your point of order? Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Is the Member in order to imply that the...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I want to thank you for giving me this opportunity and also to inform Hon. Baya that this is the kind of misadventure the Speaker was talking about. How can a non-lawyer be informing a lawyer, a very senior lawyer at that? (Laughter) good and...

Yes, I allow you to inform me.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I wish to thank the Member for the information, especially on the LSK, which I think I missed because I am not wearing my glasses today. I agree with him that the LSK is represented. However, the composition here tells us that it is not...

On a point of order, Hon. Speaker. Yes, Hon. Millie. Thank you, Hon. Speaker, for that clarity because, at one point, I was a bit concerned. I thought we had actually dispensed with the Bill, in which case it should have gone to court. However, given that we have not...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. On my own behalf and the people of Suba North, I welcome back Hon. Ferdinand. Indeed, you have raised a very cardinal issue regarding communication, especially sign language and braille. But perhaps it should not be limited to Members who have challenges. It is a challenge...

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for this opportunity. I welcome Kapsabet Girls' High School to the National Assembly as well. One of my cousins, who is like a sister, was a teacher there. Unfortunately, she has since passed on. I also welcome Londiani Girls High School to the House. I...

Thank you.

Yes, thank you, and thank you for noting that. Currently, I am the Minority Chief Whip. Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Before I second, let me take this opportunity to welcome students from Moi Girls. I think they were called Highlands in the past. It is a school that has...

Thank you. Is the Member in order to allude to the fact that we are the ones advising the Government? They are the ones advising, not us. They are experts. Anyway, I am in the Broad-Based Government, and it is a mongrel arrangement, so I am somehow in Government. I...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. In support, I just want to respond to my good brother, Hon. Ndindi Nyoro, before I speak. I largely agree with him that I look different in my posturing as a politician for obvious reasons. This is because, since I joined Parliament, I have largely...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

Please inform me. This is part of Broad-based Government. You can inform me. (Laughter) Hon. Millie, do you want to be informed? Yes.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I hope I will be given more time because of the interventions. Proceed. I thank Hon. Ichung’wah for his parliamentary and political skills because he purports to inform me instead of Hon. Ndindi Nyoro. I hope he has become educated. (Laughter) I support the Bill....