Amason Jeffah Kingi

Clerk, do we have quorum? Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Order, hon. Senators, we do have quorum now. Clerk, you may proceed to call the first Order. COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR VISITING DELEGATION FROM THE PARLIAMENT OF UGANDA Hon. Senators, I...

Next Order. PAPER LAID ANNUAL CORPORATE REPORT OF THE AUDITOR-GENERAL FOR FY2023/2024

Next Order. QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS Statement pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) , by Sen. Crystal Asige. Please proceed. RECOGNITION AND RESPECT FOR WHITE CANE USERS ON KENYAN ROADS

The Chairperson of the Standing Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations, you had a report to lay on the Table. You may proceed to lay the report. Sen. Abass, are you ready to lay the Paper?

Please proceed. PAPERS LAID REPORT ON THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL RELATIONS (AMENDMENT) BILL, 2024 (SENATE BILLS NO.12 OF 2024)

Next Order, Clerk. NOTING OF REPORTS ON THE 147TH AND 148TH ASSEMBLY OF IPU AND RELATED MEETINGS HELD IN LUANDA, ANGOLA AND GENEVA Order Hon. Senators! For those of you who are standing, please take your seats. Clerk, before I put the question, kindly confirm that, indeed, we have the...

Sen. Ososti, kindly take your seat. Hon. Senators, I will now propose the Question. (Question proposed) Hon. Senators, the Floor is now open. Sen. Olekina, you have the Floor

Sen. Ali Roba, proceed.

Senator for Nairobi City County, Sen. Sifuna, proceed.

Thank you. Now, hon. Senators, the youngest Member of the House, turns 81 years old today. (Applause)

You have whispered it to me. So, you need not to take it to the Floor. Hon. Senators, we had deferred two Orders because we did not have the requisite delegations to go to division. Now we do. So, allow me to rearrange today’s Order Paper pursuant to Standing Order...

What is so disorderly about Sen. Wamatinga, Senate Majority Leader?

Okay. Hon. Senators, we need not go on a vote on this. We can agree on a consensus. Three minutes? Three minutes? Three minutes it is. Sen. Wamatinga, your time starts running from now.

Sen. Osotsi, proceed.

Senate Majority Leader, proceed.

Sen. Wambua, proceed.

Sen. Mungatana, proceed.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, proceed.

Hon. Boni, read the powers of the High Court. Those are the powers that are in your hands. The Senator for Kilifi? The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Madzayo) : Asante, Bw. Spika. Kwanza,

gatuzi la watu wa Isiolo na akiitwa na Isiolo au Kamati ya Seneti, ni lazima afike hapo. Asipofanya hivyo, hatua itachukuliwa. [The Speaker (Hon. Kingi) left the Chair] [The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Abdul Haji) in the Chair]

Clerk, do we have quorum? (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted the Speaker) Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes (The Quorum Bell was rung) COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR READING OF CHARGES ON THE PROPOSED REMOVAL FROM OFFICE, BY IMPEACHMENT, OF THE GOVERNOR OF KERICHO COUNTY, HON. (DR.) ERICK KIPKOECH MUTAI...

Sen. Dullo, I will give my communication in the course of the day. counsel for the County Assembly, please, proceed. INTRODUCTION BY THE KERICHO COUNTY ASSEMBLY TEAM

Counsel for governor, you may now introduce the legal team representing the governor. INTRODUCTION BY THE KERICHO COUNTY GOVERNOR’S TEAM

Hon. Senators, ladies and gentlemen, on behalf of the Senate, I welcome the County Assembly team, the governor’s team, members of the public and the media to the Senate and to these proceedings. As you are aware, Article 118 of the Constitution mandates Parliament to conduct its business in an...

Counsel for the governor, just exhaust the 30 minutes first, and if at the end of the 30 minutes you still need time, you will make that application. Do not make it at this juncture. You may now proceed to raise your preliminary objection.

Counsel, talk closer to the microphone so that the Senators can hear you.

Hon. Senators, can the counsel be heard in silence? Sen. Chesang, take your seat. If you want to consult, we have the Senate lounge. It is empty as we speak, so you may want to make use of it.

Counsel for governor, a minute. Sen. Ali Roba, proceed.

Sen. Sifuna, proceed.

Sen. Omogeni, proceed.

Hon. Senators, so that we make progress. Counsel---

Counsel, wait for my directions. So that we make progress and carry all the Senators along. First, what are your documents? Introduce your documents first as you introduce them, hon. Senators, confirm that they have that bundle. Proceed.

Hon. Senators, I am informed that we have the correct bundles. The Secretariat can now bring them in. Clerk, can you arrange to distribute those documents immediately? You are going to be given a whole set of documents. So, just withdraw what you have. Clerk, you have five minutes to...

(Technical hitch)Hon. Members, allow time for the system to be fixed so that we can proceed. Just a few minutes.(Loud consultations)

As you may have noticed, we have lost considerable amount of time. As Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale has correctly stated, this is a time-bound process. According to our Standing Orders, we are supposed to give only half an hour to preliminary objections and we have gone beyond that. So, I seek...

Hon. Members, so that we make progress, can we have silence? Proceed.

Counsel, your time is up. You kept repeating yourself on the same argument in different form. So, you may want to rest your Preliminary Objection (PO) there. Maybe I need to ask you a question. In response to a preliminary matter raised by the county assembly. Do you have no...

Counsel for the County Assembly, you may now proceed to respond to the PO as raised by the Council for the Governor (CoG) .

Clerk, how much time is still available to the County Assembly? (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted with the Speaker)

Thank you. Before I allow Senators to make the intervention, counsel for governor, you may make your rejoinder.

Thank you, counsel for the county assembly and counsel for the governor. I will allow hon. Senators to make interventions in this regard. Hon. Senators, you will notice that this is not the ordinary preliminary objection that we have dealt with before. This is a preliminary objection of a fundamental...

Hon. Senators, if we strictly apply the rules of procedure, then you will have two minutes. Sen. Sifuna, proceed for two minutes.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale?

Sen. Olekina.

Senator for Nandi County, Sen. Samson Cherarkey?

Sen. Kajwang’?

Sen. Kathuri.

Sen. Wambua, proceed.

Sen. Cheruiyot, proceed.

Have a seat. Hon. Senators, it is now 1.04 p.m. We can only, during a morning session, prosecute business up to 1.00 p.m. Therefore, allow me to invoke Standing Order No.34 (2) (a) to extend the time for 15 minutes. Thereafter, we shall rise for a break. We will come...

Sen. Omogeni, proceed.

Sen. Ali Roba proceed.

Sen. Mumma, please proceed.

Sen. Nyutu, please proceed.

Hon. Senators, it is now 1.15 p.m., and having concluded the business for which I extended the hours of sitting, pursuant to Standing Order No.34 (2) (a) , the Senate stands adjourned until today, Monday, 14th October, 2024, at 2.30 p.m. The Senate adjourned at 1.16 p.m.

Clerk, do we have quorum? (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted the Speaker) Please, proceed to call the first Order. HEARING AND DETERMINATION OF THE PROPOSED REMOVAL FROM OFFICE, BY IMPEACHMENT, OF THE GOVERNOR OF KERICHO COUNTY, HON. (DR.) ERICK KIPKOECH MUTAI INTERVENTIONS ON PRELIMINARY MATTERS AND OBJECTIONS Hon. Senators, we will proceed...

Sen. (Dr.) Murango, you have the Floor.

Proceed, Sen. Osotsi.

Senator Chute, you have the Floor.

The Senate Minority Leader, Sen. Madzayo, you have the Floor. The Senate Minority Leader (Madzayo) : Asante, Bw. Spika. Kwa sasa, watu wa Kaunti ya Kericho wanajua ya kwamba kesi yao sasa hivi iko kwa Seneti. Hoja iliyo mbele yetu ni ya kusimamisha kusikilizwa kwa kesi dhidi ya gavana ama...

Sen. Veronica Maina, proceed.

Sen. Faki, choose the language you would wish to use.

You started in Kiswahili, proceed in Kiswahili.

Sen. Tabitha Keroche, proceed.

Sen. Oketch Gicheru, certainly you cannot rise on a point of order. There is no Senator speaking. Sen. Lomenen, proceed.

Sen. Wamatinga.

Sen. Eddy.

Sen. Orwoba.

Sen. Asige.

Sen. Seki.

Sen. Ogola, proceed.

Sen. Methu, proceed.

Hon. Senators, we need to make progress. Sen. Madzayo and Sen. M. Kajwang’ take your seats. I have heard you and nothing new seems to be coming out at this juncture. Therefore, for us to make progress, I will use Standing Order No.1 to suspend the sitting for 15 minutes,...

Yes, Sen. Olekina, what is your clarification?

Sen. Olekina, you are anticipating debate. Hear me out. From there then, if it is not clear to you, you may seek your clarification.

(Applause)(Loud consultations) (Loud consultations) (Loud consultations) (Loud consultations) NOTICE OF MOTION RESOLUTION OF THE SENATE TO UPHOLD THE PRELIMINARY OBJECTION ON THE THRESHOLD REQUIRED FOR REMOVAL OF A GOVERNOR FROM OFFICE, BY IMPEACHMENT

Let us move on to the next Order. RESOLUTION OF THE SENATE TO UPHOLD THE PRELIMINARY OBJECTION ON THE THRESHOLD REQUIRED FOR REMOVAL OF A GOVERNOR FROM OFFICE, BY IMPEACHMENT

(Applause)

Hon. Senators, the five minutes are spent. Serjeant-at- Arms, kindly draw the Bar and close the Doors. (The Bar was drawn and the Doors locked) (Several Senators stood up in their places) Hon. Senators, of course, the Floor is now open for you to debate this Motion. However, if you...

Clerk, do we have a quorum? Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Hon. Senators, please, take your seats. (Sen. Chute stood up in his place) Sen. Chute! I hope I have pronounced your name correctly, Sen. Chute.

Hon. Senators, we now have a quorum. I will allow the Clerk to call the first Order. QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS Now, we have the Prime Cabinet Secretary and Cabinet Secretary for Foreign and Diaspora Affairs present today to respond to Question No.99 by the Nairobi City County Senator, Sen. Edwin...

Hon. Prime Cabinet Secretary and Cabinet Secretary, you may proceed to respond. The Prime Cabinet Secretary and Cabinet Secretary for Foreign and Diaspora Affairs (Hon. Musalia Mudavadi) : Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. First, the hard copy has been signed and released. Maybe it has just delayed to get to...

Prime Cabinet Secretary, you may proceed to respond, please. The Prime Cabinet Secretary and Cabinet Secretary for Foreign and Diaspora Affairs (Hon. Musalia Mudavadi) : Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. There are quite a number of valid issues and concerns that the Senator has raised. The first thing that I...

Prime Cabinet Secretary you may note down the questions and then you can respond to them at a go. Sen. Mumma proceed.

Proceed, Sen. Okenyuri.

Sen. Kavindu Muthama, proceed.

Sen. Osotsi, proceed.

Sen. Veronica Maina, proceed.

Proceed, Sen. Dullo.

Prime Cabinet Secretary, you may now proceed to respond. The Prime Cabinet Secretary and Cabinet Secretary for Foreign and Diaspora Affairs (Hon. Musalia Mudavadi) : Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Several critical issues have been raised. I will not respond to them in a specific order, but as I was...

Yes, Sen. Kavindu Muthama, has your question not been responded to adequately?

Sen. Kavindu Muthama, just have your seat. Please, take your seat. Please. Just take your seat.

Proceed, Sen. Oketch Gicheru.

Sen. Maanzo, proceed.

Prime Cabinet Secretary and Cabinet Secretary for Foreign and Diaspora Affairs, you may now proceed to respond. The Prime Cabinet Secretary and Cabinet Secretary for Foreign and Diaspora Affairs (Hon. Musalia Mudavadi) : Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. As we talk, there are emerging issues as well in this conversation....

You may proceed, Prime Cabinet Minister. The Prime Cabinet Secretary and Cabinet Secretary for Foreign and Diaspora Affairs (Hon. Musalia Mudavadi) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, I thank the Senator for Nandi for reminding me. We cannot have labour attaches in all the missions. It is all a question of the...

Hon. Prime Cabinet Minister, proceed to respond, please. The Prime Cabinet Secretary and Cabinet Secretary for Foreign and Diaspora Affairs (Hon. Musalia Mudavadi): Mr. Speaker, Sir, the only department that would deal with this is the Immigration Department. As I had indicated because it was raised earlier, we may need...

Let us go to the next Order. ESTABLISHMENT OF A SPECIAL COMMITTEE TO INVESTIGATE THE PROPOSED REMOVAL FROM OFFICE, BY IMPEACHMENT, OF H.E. RIGATHI GACHAGUA, EGH, THE DEPUTY PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC OF KENYA

Order, hon. Senators. You will note that the Senate Majority Leader has moved a Motion pursuant to Article 145 (3) (b) of the Constitution and Standing Order No.78 (1) for the establishment of a special Committee to investigate the proposed removal from office by impeachment of His Excellency Rigathi Gachagua,...

Order, hon. Senators. Let the Senator for Nandi say it the way he understands it. Proceed. (Laughter)

Senator for Nandi, as we sit here, we do not know the number of witnesses that will be called nor the volumes of documentation that will be filed. Therefore, let us go by the two days that I have communicated. One thing that the Senate will do is to give...

Proceed, Sen. Wambua.

Hon. Senators, we shall conclude. (Sen. Wambua spoke off record) No, it is me to conclude, Sen. Wambua. This is my direction and it is very much what I have already directed. (Sen. Wambua spoke loudly) Sen. Wambua, which Floor have I taken away from you? (Sen. Wambua spoke off...

Clerk, do we have quorum? Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Hon. Senators, we now have quorum. Clerk, you may proceed to call the first Order. BRANDING PUBLIC PROJECTS WITH IMAGES OF GOVERNORS AND MCAS Hon. Senators, I hereby report that a...

Let us move on to the next Order. Sen. James Lomenen, proceed. Sen. Lomenen, did you bow at the bar?

From the Chair, I saw you walking straight on. (Sen. Lomenen spoke off record) It is okay, Sen. Lomenen. Proceed, but next time abide by rules of procedure. NOTICE OF MOTION STRENGTHENING SUPPORT FOR PASTORALIST COMMUNITIES TO COMBAT CATTLE RUSTLING AND MINIMISE LIVESTOCK LOSSES

Let us move on to the next Order. That is statements pursuant to Standing Order No.52 (1) . Senator for Nandi County, proceed. QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS STATEMENTS COMPLETE SHUTDOWN OF MEDICAL SERVICES DUE TO HEALTH WORKERS' STRIKE IN NANDI COUNTY

Statement pursuant to Standing Order No. 53 (1) ; Sen. Richard Onyonka, proceed. OPERATIONALISATION OF SHA HEALTHCARE INFRASTRUCTURE ON A UNIFIED PLATFORM

Sen. Haji Abdul, proceed. FINANCIAL OPERATIONS OF CPSBS

What is your point of order? Certainly, it cannot be a point of order, Sen. Fatuma, unless you are seeking a clarification or intervention.

Thank you, Sen. Dullo. I will give my directions on the Isiolo matter on Monday before proceeding with the Kericho Governor impeachment. Sen. Wakili Sigei, proceed. WITHDRAWAL OF HEALTH SERVICE ALLOWANCE FOR BOMET COUNTY STAFF

Sen. Chimera, proceed. CASES OF LIONS ROAMING ALONG MACKINON ROAD IN KWALE COUNTY

Next is Sen. Lomenen. PERSISTENT POWER RATIONING IN TURKANA COUNTY

Proceed to read the three Statements. FAILURE TO CONTROL FLOODING CAUSED BY RIVER KAWALASE

Proceed. HEALTH AND ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF OIL AND NATURAL GAS EXPLORATION IN TURKANA COUNTY

Next is Sen. (Prof) Tom Ojienda.

Next Order. Proceed, Majority Leader.

Next Order. PROCEDURAL MOTION ALTERATION OF THE MEETING HOURS OF THE SENATE FOR 16TH AND 17TH OCTOBER 2024

Now, the Floor is open. This is a Procedural Motion. With your concurrence, you may allow me to put the question. The voting is by voice, so that we dispense with this Motion. I will now proceed to put the question. (Question put and agreed to) So, let this resolution...

Clerk, do we have quorum? (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted with the Speaker) Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly ring the quorum bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Order, hon. Senators. Kindly proceed to take your seats. We have a quorum now. We proceed with today’s business. Clerk, you may now call the...

Chairperson, Standing Committee on Finance and Budget.

The Chairperson Standing Committee on Education. Sen. Joe Nyutu, proceed. REPORTS ON PETITION ON DISCRIMINATION IN PAYMENT OF HARDSHIP AND ENHANCED HOUSE ALLOWANCE TO TEACHERS IN KILIFI AND TAITA TAVETA COUNTIES

Order, hon. Senators. Sen. Eddy, you are seated next to a senior. Certainly, you ought to draw good manners. COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR SUBSTANTIATION OF ALLEGATIONS BY SEN. CHUTE Before I allow the Clerk to call the next Order, I will call Sen. Mohamed Chute to proceed to substantiate the...

Sen. Chute, let me refresh your memory by reading the HANSARD. On that particular day, when you rose to speak, you said: “Thank you, very much, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. Let me take this opportunity to oppose this Motion completely. There is a problem in this country. I do not...

Sen. Chute, I will read Standing Order No.105 (2) before I proceed to make my ruling: “If a Senator has sufficient reason to convince the Speaker that the Senator is unable to substantiate the allegations instantly, the Speaker shall require that such Senator substantiates the allegations not later than the...

Hon. Chute, kindly withdraw from the precincts of Parliament for the reminder of today’s Sitting. (Sen. Chute withdrew from the Chamber) (Applause)(Loud consultations) NOTICES OF MOTIONS ESTABLISHMENT OF A SELECT COMMITTEE TO INVESTIGATE THE PROPOSED REMOVAL FROM OFFICE, BY IMPEACHMENT, OF THE GOVERNOR OF KERICHO COUNTY, HON. (DR.) ERICK KIPKOECH...

Very well, the Chairperson Committee on Education, proceed. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON PETITION ON DISCRIMINATION IN PAYMENT OF HARDSHIP AND ENHANCED HOUSE ALLOWANCE TO TEACHERS IN KILIFI AND TAITA TAVETA COUNTIES Next Order, Clerk. (The Senate Majority Leader consulted with the Speaker) Now allow me to rearrange today's Order Paper...

Order, Hon. Senators.

Order, hon. Senators. Order, Senator for Nandi. If you have an issue with this Motion, once it is moved, you will have an opportunity. In fact, can I confirm to you that once it is seconded and I propose the question, you will be the first Senator to speak to...

Order, Hon. Senators. Hon. Senators, be orderly. Sen. Gataya Mo Fire. The Motion, having lacked a seconder, dies naturally. I will proceed, therefore, to make the following communication. COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR PROPOSED REMOVAL FROM OFFICE BY IMPEACHMENT OF HON. (DR.) ERIC KIPKOECH, THE GOVERNOR OF KERICHO COUNTY Hon. Senators,...

Sen. Wambua, you had something to say?

Sen. Wambua, certainly you are not under the mercy of the Speaker on this particular matter. This is a substantive business of the House. Before the Speaker pronounces or communicates to the House, it is normally a substantive agenda before the SBC. At its sitting, the SBC resolved that this...

Hon. Senators, let us cross the bridge when we get there. This hearing has not started. Therefore, let it run. We may or may not get there. If we get there, certainly, we will make the proper guidance on this particular matter. Next Order. (The Clerk-at-the-Table approached the Chair) Just...

Clerk, do we have a quorum? (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted the Speaker) Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly, ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Hon. Senators, kindly, take your seats. We do have quorum now. So, I will allow the Clerk to call the first Order. Clerk, please, proceed....

The next one is by the Chairperson of the Standing Committee on National Cohesion, Equal Opportunity and Regional Integration. REPORT ON DIVERSITY AND INCLUSIVITY IN STAFFING OF STATE AGENCIES

Let us go to the next Order. NOTICES OF MOTIONS The first Notice of Motion will be deferred to next week following instructions from the Senate Majority Leader. ALTERATION OF DATES FOR SITTINGS OF THE SENATE IN BUSIA COUNTY ACKNOWLEDGING THE recommendation of the Senate Business Committee to defer the...

Chairperson of the Standing Committee on County Public Investments and Special Funds, proceed. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON CONSIDERATION OF AUDIT REPORTS FOR VARIOUS WATER, SANITATION AND SEWERAGE SERVICE COMPANIES

Before I allow the Clerk to call the next Order, I have the following Communication to make. COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR REPORTS ON ALL NEW LOANS CONTRACTED BY GOVERNMENT BETWEEN 1ST MAY AND 31ST AUGUST, 2024 AND MSMES CREDIT GUARANTEE SCHEME FOR FY 2023/2024 Hon. Senators, as you may have...

Proceed to the second Statement. DILAPIDATED STATE OF ROADS IN SAMBURU COUNTY

Sen. Beth Syengo, proceed. REGISTRATION AND LICENSING OF ECDE CENTRES

Sen. Hamida Kibwana, you have the Floor. Sen. Chimera, you may proceed to read Sen. Wafula’s request for a Statement. MANAGEMENT OF KITINDA DAIRY FARMERS COOPERATIVE SOCIETY IN BUNGOMA COUNTY

Sen. Tabitha Mutinda, you may proceed to read the Statement by Sen. Hamida Kibwana. RISE OF ENTERTAINMENT JOINTS IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS WITHIN NAIROBI CITY COUNTY

Sen. Mandago, you have the Floor. PLACEMENT OF STUDENTS IN PUBLIC AND PRIVATE UNIVERSITIES

Order, Hon. Senators.

What is the issue, Senate Majority Leader?

Sen Eddy Oketch, the Senator for Nandi County and Sen. Wakili Sigei, as you take your seats, kindly read Standing Order No.118. I will come back to you later. Proceed, Senate Majority Leader.

Very well. Pursuant to Standing Order No.45 (2) on the convenience of the House, I will move to re-arrange the sequence of today's Order Paper, so that we prosecute Order No.10 and thereafter, resume the normal flow as contained in today's Order Paper. (Interruption of Statements) Clerk, please, proceed. THE...

Clerk, do we have quorum? Serjeant-at-Arms, Kindly ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Hon. Senators, we do have quorum now. Clerk, you may proceed to call the first Order. PAPERS LAID

Let us go to the next Order. QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS Hon. Senators, we expected three Cabinet Secretaries this morning for purposes of responding to the Questions as contained in the Order Paper today. However, the question addressed to the Cabinet Secretary for the East African Community (EAC), the Arid and...

Hon. Cabinet Secretary, you may now proceed to respond. The Cabinet Secretary for National Treasury and Economic Planning (Hon. Mbadi): Mr. Speaker, Sir, I would like to begin by saying that it is really refreshing to be back here wearing a different cap. You may recall that we spent a...

Hon. Cabinet Secretary, you may proceed to respond. The Cabinet Secretary for the National Treasury and Economic Planning (Hon. John Mbadi) : Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. The policy of the Government presently is that any service that is provided should go through this standard system, e- Citizen. There was...

No! No! No! You have already done two questions. Leave it at that.

Hon. Cabinet Secretary, note down those questions. We will take a few, from about five Senators, and then you will proceed to respond to them at a go. Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale.

Sen. Mumma.

Sen. Okenyuri, proceed.

Sen. Wambua, proceed.

Hon. Cabinet Secretary, you may now proceed to respond to those first set of questions. The Cabinet Secretary for the National Treasury and Economic Planning (Hon. John Mbadi) : Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I captured Questions from four Senators, but I missed one. Unfortunately, I might need to know...

Proceed, Sen. Muhammed Chute.

Hon. Senators, the supplementary questions must be related to the primary question. Stand guided. Proceed, Sen. Wamatinga.

Proceed, Sen. Kavindu.

Proceed, Sen. Mundigi.

Proceed, Sen. Mutinda Tabitha.

Proceed, Sen. Veronica Nduati.

Proceed, Sen. Abbas.

Sen. Faki, you have the Floor.

Hon. Senators, if you look at your Order Paper, the Hon. Cabinet Secretary is here to respond to four questions. Now, the questions asked by Sen. Faki, Sen. Munyi Mundigi. Sen. Abass are supplementary questions related to the question that is going to be asked by Sen. Mumma. So, we...

Thank you, Hon. Cabinet Secretary. If your question has not been adequately covered, it shall be covered in due course before the Cabinet Secretary leaves as he has three more questions to respond to. Sen. Mumma, proceed to ask your Question No.060. Question No.060 THE ALLOCATION FOR DEVELOPMENT EXPENDITURE IN...

Hon. Cabinet Secretary, you may proceed to respond. The Cabinet Secretary for National Treasury and Economic Planning (Hon. John Mbadi) : Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Question No.060 is by the Nominated Senator, Sen. Mumma. My response to Question No.060 (a) is as follows- In the original approved development budget...

Sen. Dullo.

Proceed, Senator for Nandi.

Sen. Mbugua.

Sen. (Prof.) Kamar.

Sen. Kisang’?

Sen. Mumma, have you abandoned your questions? The Cabinet Secretary for National Treasury and Economic Planning (Hon. John Mbadi) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, Sen. Mumma asked whether we could design a template to capture this information. Yes, we could. However, we have the Public Sector Accounting Standards Board, which determines...

Sen. (Dr.) Oburu.

Sen. Wambua.

Hon. Cabinet Secretary, you may proceed to respond. The Cabinet Secretary for the National Treasury and Economic Planning (Hon. John Mbadi) : Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Sir. I wish Sen. Onyonka was still around. I want to give confidence to the country that what was seen as differences between me...

Clerk, do we have quorum? (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted the Speaker) Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Hon. Senators, please, take your seats. Clerk, you may proceed to call the first Order. PLIGHT OF PERSONS LIVING WITH INVISIBLE DISABILITY Hon. Senators, I hereby...

Chairperson of the County Public Investment and Special Funds Committee, proceed. REPORT ON CONSIDERATION OF AUDIT REPORTS OF VARIOUS WATER SERVICE COMPANIES

Sen. Moses Kajwang’, proceed.

Let us go to the next Order. NOTICES OF MOTIONS EFFECTIVE WASTE MANAGEMENT IN THE COUNTRY

We will defer Order No.6 (2) and go to Order No.6 (3) . ADOPTION OF REPORT ON CONSIDERATION OF AUDIT REPORTS FOR VARIOUS WATER SERVICE COMPANIES NOTING OF REPORT OF PROCEEDINGS OF PARLIAMENTARIANS’ DIALOGUE AT AFRICA CLIMATE SUMMIT, 2023 Sen. (Dr.) Lelegwe, I am told you are holding brief for...

Let us go to the next Order. QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS STATEMENTS We will begin with the Statement pursuant to Standing Order No.52 (1) . Proceed, Senator for Kilifi County. RISE IN CASES OF FRAUDULENT JOBS BY RECRUITING AGENCIES incident occurred in August, 2023, when Mr. James Wanjohi, who is associated...

Senator for Nandi County, you are cautioned. Sen. Gloria Orwoba, you have the Floor. ONGOING RENOVATION OF GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS That Statement is dropped. The second Statement is also dropped. OPERATIONS OF THE X PLATFORM IN THE COUNTRY Proceed, Sen. Richard Onyonka. OPERATION AND MANAGEMENT OF KTRH IN KISII COUNTY

Hon. Senators, for the convenience of the House and pursuant to Standing Order No.45 (2) , allow me to rearrange the sequence of the Order Paper and we do Division on the Division of Revenue Bill. Thereafter, we will resume debate as contained in the Order Paper. Anything that is...

Thank you, Senate Majority Leader. I will give a Communication before the end of the day on this particular matter.

Thank you. I will consider that in the Communication. Proceed, Sen. Wambua.

Serjeant-at-Arms, close the Door. THE DIVISION OF REVENUE (AMENDMENT) BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO.38 OF 2024) THE CO-OPERATIVE SOCIETIES (AMENDMENT) BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.53 OF 2023) (Loud consultations) Order, hon. Senators. THE CO-OPERATIVE SOCIETIES (AMENDMENT) BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.53 OF 2023) Sen. Mbugua, you have the authority to vote on...

The second Statement by Sen. Wakoli is deferred. MANAGEMENT OF KITINDA DAIRY FARMERS COOPERATIVE SOCIETY IN BUNGOMA COUNTY SUSPECTED ABDUCTION OF MR. ADAN MAKONA ALI FROM DABEL IN MARSABIT COUNTY

Senator of Nandi County, Sen. Cherarkey, kindly, proceed. STATUS OF NARIGP PROJECTS IN NANDI COUNTY

Sen. Ogola, proceed. ALLEGED UNFAIR LABOUR PRACTICES AT SUKARI INDUSTRY IN NDHIWA SUB COUNTY

Sen. Lemaletian, proceed. STATUS OF YAMO DAM IN MARALAL TOWNSHIP

Statements pursuant to Standing Order No.56 (1) (b) , Chairperson Standing Committee for Trade, Industrialization and Tourism. ACTIVITIES OF THE COMMITTEE ON TRADE, INDUSTRIALIZATION AND TOURISM

Clerk, do we have quorum? (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted the Speaker) Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Order, hon. Senators! We now have quorum. Clerk, you may proceed to call the first Order. PAPERS LAID REPORTS OF THE AUDITOR-GENERAL ON FINANCIAL STATEMENTS OF...

Next, is the Chairperson of the Standing Committee on Labour and Social Welfare. REPORT ON THE COUNTY ASSEMBLIES PENSIONS SCHEME BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.14 OF 2024)

Chairperson of the Standing Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations, Sen. Abass, you may proceed.

Then that is it. (Sen. Abass spoke off record) We are getting there, Sen. Abass. Let us go to the next Order. NOTICES OF MOTIONS We will pend Order No.6 (1) , that is, Notice of Motion that was supposed to be given by the Senate Majority Leader. Let us...

Sen. Abass, you may now proceed to give your Notice of Motion. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON ALLEGED SECURITY CONCERNS RAISED BY THE DEPUTY GOVERNOR OF TRANS NZOIA COUNTY

Let us go to the next Order. QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS STATEMENTS ALLEGED MISMANAGEMENT OF EMPLOYMENT, HUMAN RESOURCE AND PAYROLL MATTERS IN NANDI COUNTY

Senator for Nairobi City County, proceed. ALLEGED GRABBING OF PUBLIC UTILITY AND PRIVATE LANDS IN PARTS OF NAIROBI CITY COUNTY

The next Statement is by the Senator for Nyandarua County, Sen. John Methu. RELOCATION OF POWER LINES ALONG NJABINI-OLKALOU ROAD Next is a Statement by the Senator for Kisii County, Sen. Onyonka. STATUS AND MANAGEMENT OF ADC FARMS

Chairperson, Standing Committee on Land, Environment and Natural Resources. ACTIVITIES OF THE COMMITTEE ON LAND, ENVIRONMENT AND NATURAL RESOURCES Chairperson, Standing Committee on National Cohesion, Equal Opportunity and Regional Integration. ACTIVITIES OF THE COMMITTEE ON NATIONAL COHESION, EQUAL OPPORTUNITY AND REGIONAL INTEGRATION

The Chairperson, Standing Committee on National Security, Defence and Foreign Relations. ACTIVITIES OF THE COMMITTEE ON NATIONAL SECURITY, DEFENCE AND FOREIGN RELATIONS

Sen. Hezena. FAILURE TO RESERVE 30 PER CENT PROCUREMENT VALUE TO DISADVANTAGED GROUPS

I will allow comments on these Statements for 15 minutes. Hon. Maanzo Daniel.

Sen. Nderitu Kinyua.

Sen. Beth Syengo.

Sen. Cherarkey.

Sen. Wamatinga, proceed.

Sen. Onyonka, proceed.

Sen. Wafula, proceed.

Sen. Ogola, proceed.

Sen. Chute.

Next Order. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON INSECURITY IN TURKANA COUNTY THE DIVISION OF REVENUE (AMENDMENT) BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO.38 OF 2024) THE CO-OPERATIVE SOCIETIES (AMENDMENT) BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.53 OF 2023) ADOPTION OF JOINT REPORT ON APPROVAL FOR APPOINTMENT OF MR. DAVID KIBET KEMEI TO THE POSITION OF DG,...

Hon. Senators, I will now proceed to propose the question. (Question proposed) Before I allow debate, hon. Senators, allow me to make the following communications. COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE CHAIR PENDING BILLS IN THE COUNTIES REDIRECTION OF PETITION ON AMENDMENT OF SECTION 32(3) OF THE COUNTY GOVERNMENTS ACT Governors assigning portfolio...

Clerk, do we have quorum? Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly ring the quorum bell for 10 minutes. (The quorum bell was rung) Hon. Senators, we do have quorum now, kindly take your seats. Clerk, you may proceed to call the first Order. COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR VISITING DELEGATION FROM MAKUENI COUNTY ASSEMBLY Hon....

Sen. Maanzo, proceed.

The Senate Majority Leader? PAPERS LAID REPORTS OF THE AUDITOR GENERAL ON THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS OF VARIOUS ENTITIES

Chairperson of the Standing Committee on Finance and Budget, proceed to lay your report. JOINT REPORT ON THE APPROVAL HEARING FOR APPOINTMENT OF MR. DAVID KIBET KIMEI TO THE POSITION OF DG, CAK

Hon. Senators, before I call the next Order, I have this further Communication. In the Speaker’s Gallery this afternoon is Ms. Esse Mbeyu Akida a guest of the Speaker of the Senate. Ms. Akida is a celebrated footballer and among a generation of Kenyans who have brought immense honour and...

Thank you, Sen. Boni. That time will come. However, for today, she has come to visit me. So, she is here as the visitor of the Speaker. (Applause)An

Senate Majority Leader, proceed.

Sen. Kibwana, followed by Sen. Chesang, and Sen. Orwoba then Sen. Faki will wrap it up with that.

Sen. Chesang proceed.

Proceed, Sen. Orwoba.

Proceed, Sen. Faki.

Next is Sen. Richard Onyonka.

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Let us go to the next Order. NOTICE OF MOTION ADOPTION OF JOINT REPORT ON APPROVAL FOR APPOINTMENT OF MR. DAVID KIBET KIMEI TO THE POSITION OF DG, CAK

Let us go to the next Order. Hon. Senators, these are Statements pursuant to Standing Order No.52 (1) . Proceed, Sen. M. Kajwang’. QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS STATEMENTS THE ROLE OF PARLIAMENTS IN IMPLEMENTING INTERNATIONAL AND NATIONAL CLIMATE CHANGE COMMITMENTS IN AFRICA

You may proceed to the table. (Sen. M. Kajwang’ laid the document on the Table) Statements pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) . Hon. Sen.Tabitha Keroche. STATUS OF COMPENSATION FOR VICTIMS OF THE MAI MAHIU FLOOD TRAGEDY

Proceed, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale. MEDICAL NEGLIGENCE AT VIHIGA COUNTY REFERRAL HOSPITAL

Proceed, Sen. Mumma. CRIMINALISATION AND RE-VICTIMIZATION OF SURVIVORS OF FGM

Sen. Faki, proceed. IMMINENT EVICTION OF CIVIL SERVANTS FROM HOBLEY ROAD ESTATE

Sen. Wafula, proceed. Those two Statements are dropped. DELAYED CAPITATION TO TVET INSTITUTIONS MANAGEMENT OF KITINDA DAIRY FARMERS COOPERATIVE SOCIETY IN BUNGOMA COUNTY STATUS OF IMPLEMENTATION OF CAIPS PROJECT ACROSS COUNTIES

Clerk, do we have quorum? Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Order, hon. Senators! Kindly take your seat. We do have quorum now. Clerk, you may proceed to call the first Order, please. The Senate Majority Leader, proceed. REPORTS OF THE AUDITOR-GENERAL...

Next Order. QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS Question No.041 ACCESS TO ESSENTIAL SERVICES IN HUDUMA CENTRES ACROSS THE COUNTRY

Hon. Cabinet Secretary, you may proceed to respond. The Cabinet Secretary for Public Service and Human Capital Development (Hon. Justin Muturi) : Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for this opportunity to respond to the questions raised by the Senator for Tana River, Sen. Danson Mungatana. I take this opportunity to...

Thank you. Sen. Mungatana, I have given you latitude. There is no word like ‘upgradie.’ We do not have such a word anywhere. I will allow the Cabinet Secretary to respond to those two questions. The first question is how much you have set aside this financial year for purposes...

Sen. Mbugua, proceed. Cabinet Secretary, note the questions so that you can respond to a number of them instead of responding to one and then listening to the other.

Sen. Wambua, proceed.

Sen. Mundigi?

Sen. Gataya Mo Fire?

Sen. Boni?

Hon. Cabinet Secretary, you may now proceed to respond. The Cabinet Secretary for Public Service and Human Development (Hon. Justin Muturi) : Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I want to thank hon. Senators who have raised quite several pertinent issues relating to the functioning of Huduma centres. I agree with...

Sen. Kibwana, proceed.

Senator Majority Leader, proceed.

Proceed, Sen. Beatrice Akinyi.

Hon. Senator, let me guide you. You are rising to ask a supplementary question and, therefore, it must relate to the primary Question. I gave some kind of leeway to Sen. Alexander Mundigi who subtly veered off. Any question that is not related to Huduma Centre cannot be a supplementary...

Proceed, Sen. Murango.

Proceed, Sen. Kavindu.

Proceed, Sen. Kathuri.

Proceed, Sen. Maanzo.

Hon. Cabinet Secretary, you may proceed to respond. The Cabinet Secretary for Public Service and Human Capital Development (Hon. Muturi) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, I thank Members of this House who have raised various issues and further supplementary questions. I will start with the supplementary question raised by Sen. Mutinda....

Hon. Cabinet Secretary, you may now proceed to respond. The Cabinet Secretary for Tourism and Wildlife (Hon. Miano) : Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir and Members, for inviting me this morning to respond to the four questions under Question No.032. Indeed, Bungoma that is located in Western Kenya is an...

Clerk, do we have a quorum? (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted the Speaker) Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly, ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Order! Hon. Members, we do have a quorum now. So, we will start the business of the afternoon. Clerk, you may proceed to call the...

Next Order. NOTICE OF MOTION APPROVAL OF SITTINGS OF THE SENATE TO BE HELD IN BUSIA COUNTY Let us move to the next Order. QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS STATEMENTS

Very well, it shall be produced in a short while. In the meantime, we will proceed to request for statements pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) . Sen. Mundigi, you may proceed. RISING CASES OF FIRES IN BOARDING SCHOOLS

Sen. Eddie Oketch, proceed. CLASH OVER COPPER AND GOLD MINES IN MIGORI COUNTY copper and gold mines in Nyatike Sub-County, in Migori County which occurred on 14th September, 2024.In this statement, the committee should- FATE OF CASUAL WORKERS IN BUNGOMA COUNTY GOVERNMENT HEALTH DEPARTMENT

Good. Proceed, Sen. Wakili Sigei. USE OF EXCESSIVE FORCE BY POLICE AGAINST DEMONSTRATORS IN BOMET COUNTY

Sen. Okenyuri. TRAGIC DEATH OF A MEDICAL INTERN AT GATUNDU COUNTY REFERRAL HOSPITAL

Statements pursuant to Standing Order No.56 (1) (b) , the Chairperson Standing Committee on Energy, Sen. Kisang’ on behalf of the Chairperson, Sen. Wamatinga.

There is absolutely no tension, Senator. Proceed, Sen. Kisang’. ACTIVITIES OF THE COMMITTEE ON ENERGY

Chairperson, Standing Committee on Finance and Budget.

The Chairperson Standing Committee on Health.

Hon. Senators, before I allow comments on those statements, allow me to make the following communication. COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR SUBSTANTIATION OF UTTERANCES BY SEN. SIFUNA PURSUANT TO STANDING ORDER NO.105 As you may recall, at the Sitting of the Senate held on Thursday, 19th September, 2024, the Senator for...

Which point of order? How can he be out of order? He has declined to substantiate and, therefore, sentence shall follow further. Our Standing Orders are very clear. Standing Order No.105 (2) says- “If a Senator has sufficient reason to convince the Speaker that the Senator is unable to substantiate...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, proceed.

Sen. Oketch Gicheru, proceed.

Sen. Mungatana?

Sen. Orwoba.

Sen. Ogola proceed.

Sen. Thang’wa, proceed.

Proceed, Sen. (Prof.) Tom Ojienda.

Proceed, Sen. Mundigi.

Let us go to the next Order. (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted with the Speaker) Hon. Senators, pursuant to Standing Order No.45 (2) , I will rearrange the Order Paper. We will move to prosecute Order No.16. Clerk, proceed to call out that Order. THE DIVISION OF REVENUE (AMENDMENT) BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY...

Clerk, do we have quorum? (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted with the Speaker) Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Hon. Senators, I am told that we do have quorum. Sen. Osotsi, the Deputy Party Leader of the Orange Democratic Movement (ODM) and Sen. Kavindu,...

Next Order. Statements pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) . Hon. Sen. Agnes Kavindu Muthama, you have the Floor. QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS STATEMENTS STALLED PROJECTS ACROSS MACHAKOS COUNTY

Hon. Senator Mwaruma, the Senator for Taita Taveta County, you have the Floor. LACK OF HELB FUNDING AND GOVERNMENT CAPITATION FOR CERTIFICATE AND DIPLOMA STUDENTS

Now, before we move to the statements pursuant to Standing Order No.56 (1) , allow me to make the following communication. (Sen. Kavindu Muthama stood in her place) Sen. Kavindu, you may have your seat. (Sen. Wafula consulted Sen. Chute) Sen. Wafula, please, have your seat. (Interruption of Statements) COMMUNICATION...

Hon. Senators, we have statements pursuant to Standing Order No.56 (1) (b) . Hon. Sen. (Dr.) Murango, you have the Floor. ACTIVITIES OF THE COMMITTEE ON AGRICULTURE, LIVESTOCK AND FISHERIES

Proceed, Sen. Abass. ACTIVITIES OF THE COMMITTEE ON DEVOLUTION AND INTERGOVERNMENTAL RELATIONS

Order, hon. Senators! May the Chair of the Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations be heard in silence. Sen. Abass: Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, the two committees have jointly held meetings with various stakeholders and are looking forward to concluding the matter and table a report in this House.

The committee is currently considering a legislative proposal on amending the County Governments Act, 2012, to provide definite roles of the Office of the Deputy Governor to clarify and streamline the responsibilities of the said office. Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.56 (1) (b)...

Hon. Senators, I will allow comments on the sxtatements sought together with the statements by the three Chairpersons. We will do that exercise within the next 15 minutes. Proceed, Sen. Maanzo.

Sen. Tabitha Mutinda, proceed.

Sen. Wambua, proceed.

Sen. Wafula, proceed.

Just a minute, Sen. Wafula. Senate Majority Leader, you cannot raise a point of order when there is no Senator unless it is an intervention you would wish to make. What is your intervention? It is certainly not a point of order.

Clerk, can you indeed confirm that we have the requisite number of delegates before I give direction on this matter? (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted with the Speaker) (Loud consultations) ADOPTION OF REPORT ON FINANCIAL STATEMENTS OF VARIOUS COUNTY ASSEMBLIES Seajeant-at-Arms, kindly ring the Division Bell for five minutes. (The Division Bell...

That Order stands withdrawn. THE LOCAL CONTENT BILL, (SENATE BILLS NO. 50 OF 2023) Order, Hon. Senators! Sen. Dullo, take your seat please. (Sen. Dullo took her seat) DIVISION ELECTRONIC VOTING NOES: Nil ABSTENTIONS: Nil Hon. Senators, the results of the division are as follows- AYES: 30 NOES: 0 ABSTENTIONS:...