Amason Jeffah Kingi

Please, proceed. Please, proceed.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table of the Senate, today, 14th November, 2023- PAPERS LAID

Clerk, next Order. NOTICE OF MOTION THANKS FOR THE PRESIDENTIAL ADDRESS

Next Order. QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS STATEMENTS Sen. Kibwana has requested that her Statement be deferred. So, that is deferred. LAUNCH OF THE TIME USE SURVEY REPORT THEFT AND SNATCHING OF MOBILE PHONES AND OTHER ELECTRONIC GADGETS

Asante Bw. Spika kwa kunipa fursa hii. Nimesimama kwa mujibu wa Kanuni ya Kudumu ya No.53 (1) kuomba Taarifa kutoka kwa Kamati ya Kudumu ya Fedha na Bajeti kuhusu Shirika la Kenya National Assurance (KNAC) ambalo liko katika hali ya upokeaji. Katika Taarifa hiyo, Kamati iangazie yafuatayo- HALI YA UPOKEAJI...

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on National Security, Defence and Foreign Relations regarding the Kenya Defence Forces (KDF) recruitment of General Service Officers (GSOs) , cadets (regular and graduate degree holders) , specialist officers,...

Sen. Wafula. DELAYED PAYMENT OF AGRIPRENUERS ENGAGED IN DATA COLLECTION FOR FARMER REGISTRATION IN BUNGOMA COUNTY

Sen. Orwoba. MYSTERIOUS DISAPPEARANCE OF A CHILD IN KAYOLE LEVEL 4 SUB COUNTY HOSPITAL Sen. Mwaruma.

The Statement by Sen. Kibwana is deferred. That is pursuant to the request by the said Senator. ESTABLISHMENT OF MENTAL HEALTH UNIT DESKS IN ALL INSTITUTIONS IN KENYA PREVALENCE OF CORPORAL PUNISHMENT IN EDUCATION INSTITUTIONS IN THE COUNTRY

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I will go through it very fast. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise, pursuant to Standing Order No. 53 (1) , to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Justice, Legal Affairs and Human Rights, regarding the status of court construction projects in Kenya. STATUS...

Sen. Orwoba. Proceed. MYSTERIOUS DISAPPEARANCE OF A CHILD IN KAYOLE LEVEL 4 SUB COUNTY HOSPITAL

Sen. Orwoba, is the second Statement approved?

All right, proceed.

Statements pursuant to Standing Order No. 56 (1) (aa) , Chairperson, Standing Committee on Roads, Transportation and Housing. Next Order. (Sen. Faki stood up in his place) Sen. Faki, you know when to exactly rise on a point of order. Next Order, Clerk. THE COUNTY PUBLIC FINANCE LAWS (AMENDMENT) BILL...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, you need to first start with moving the Motion.

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, the Senator for Kakamega County, is misleading this House. In fact, a few weeks ago, he was heckled in his own village when he tried to convince people to replace the existing boda boda motorcycles with electric ones. (Laughter)

Sen. Sifuna, I thought the good Senator is admitting that for the first time, he is going through a rough patch.

What is your point of order Sen. Kinyua?

What is your point of order, Sen. Oketch Gicheru?

Sen. Oketch Gicheru, what is your point of order? You are not supposed to give a speech.

Sen. Oketch Gicheru, one of the aspects contained in the speech by the President is the freedoms we enjoy; including the freedom of speech. This is why Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale gave an example. He is quite in order to do that. Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, proceed.

Refer to your colleague as the hon. Senator.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, that is unwarranted. Please, proceed to withdraw that particular statement.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, if you are done, kindly take your seat.

Senator for Nakuru, on what Standing Order are you anchoring your point of order?

What is your point of order, Sen. Sifuna?

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I stand guided. Sen. Sifuna is right. Sometimes the mind can play games on you when you see an imagery of the then Deputy President running away from the Jubilee Government. As he goes out, you see another man running in. The one who was...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, you have taken so much time. Any person seated listening to you as you move this Motion is wondering what exactly you are doing. Can you get down to it?

Asante, Bw. Spika. Ningependa kuchukua nafasi hii kukushukuru kwa kunipa muda huu kutoa maoni yangu na kuunga mkono Hoja ambayo iko mbele yetu kuhusu Hotuba ya Rais ambayo aliitoa kwa Mabunge yote mawili. Mimi ningependa kusema mambo machache ninapoiunga mkono Hoja hii. Jambo la kwanza, Mhe. Rais aliongea kuhusu hali...

Hon. Senators, I now proceed to propose the question. (Question proposed) Sen. Sifuna, you may now make your contributions to this Motion

What is your point of order, Sen. Mungatana?

Sen. Sifuna, you can still express yourself without necessarily using such words that may not be parliamentary. I know you understand exactly what I am saying.

Not factual.

(Applause)

Senator for Nairobi City, can you substantiate your claim? If you cannot, proceed to withdraw.

So, when do you intend to table the evidence?

You have until tomorrow.

What is your point of order, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale?

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, you cannot teach the Chair what to communicate. I know exactly what amounts to a substantiation and whatever the Senator will bring, must of course meet that standard. If it will not have met the standard, the Chair will rule. Proceed, Sen. Sifuna.

What is your point of order, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale?

Are you on a point of information or a point of order?

Sen. Sifuna, is your assertion factual?

Sen. Sifuna, if it is factual, let it form part of those factual claims that you will substantiate tomorrow.

Sen. Sifuna, are you saying it is not working or it was not provided?

What is your point of order, Sen. Veronica Maina?

Sen. Sifuna, on the Wi-Fi, you might not be able to substantiate right away. Are you able to substantiate on the default on loan repayment?

Sen. Sifuna, there is a point of order that has been raised and I am proceeding to make a ruling on it. This is my ruling on the point of order raised by Sen. Veronica Maina. Just take your seat. (Sen. Sifuna resumed his seat) Firstly, you have been called...

Sen. Sifuna, I have ruled.

Allow the Senator to substantiate. Order! Order, honourable Senators. You have raised a point of order, let the Senator substantiate. Thereafter, you will rise on your points of order.

That is exactly what Sen. Veronica Maina was asking. So, proceed.

What is your point of order, Sen. Kinyua?

What is your point of order?

Sen. Sifuna, in reference to the people of Nairobi, you have to know that they voted for six leaders. All those six leaders represent the people of Nairobi, including His Excellency the President. Kindly proceed.

Sen. Sifuna, you need to start using parliamentary language.

When you say the President was pretending---

Sen. Sifuna, I am guiding you. If you proceed in that manner, you know exactly what will befall you. Proceed.

Senator, we took note of those objections. Sen. Ali Roba.

Proceed, Sen. Crystal Asige.

Sen. Abass, proceed.

You may be seated. Order, Hon. Members. Your Excellency, the Hon. (Dr) William Samoei Ruto, CGH, President of the Republic of Kenya and Commander-in- Chief of the Kenya Defence Forces; the Rt. Hon. Speaker of the National Assembly, Hon. Moses Wetangula, E.G.H, MP; Hon. Members of Parliament, Article 132 (1)...

Hon. Members, please, be upstanding. Your Excellency the President, Rt. Hon. Speaker of the National Assembly, Hon. Members, we have come to the conclusion of the business of the day, and it is now time to adjourn The Senate stands adjourned until Tuesday, 14th November 2023 at 2.30 p.m. at...

Clerk, do we have quorum? (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted the Speaker) Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly ring the quorum bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Serjeant-at-Arms, ring the Bell for a further 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) (Several Senators walked into the Chamber) All the hon. Members, kindly let...

Senate Majority Leader, what is your point of order?

Very well, Senate Majority Leader. You will allow the Clerk to read the first Order, and then I will allow three Senators from each side to speak for two minutes each. Thereafter, we will go straight to the Business of the day. Clerk, please proceed. COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR COMMENTS...

Sen. M. Kajwang', please proceed.

Sen. Kathuri, proceed.

Sen. Sifuna, proceed.

Sen. Wamatinga.

Sen. Onyonka, proceed.

Hon. Senators, we have heard three Senators from each side. This cannot be a House of lamentations. This is a House of action. Pursuant to the point of order that has been raised by the Senate Majority Leader, I implore upon you, hon. Senators, to use or take full advantage...

Hon. witness, listen to your counsel and answer his question. The question was very specific; were you approached and given any kind of incentive? If so, what kind of incentive? That was the question from your counsel.

Thank you, counsel. The counsel for the Governor, do you have any re-examination to do?

Hon. Senators, we have about five minutes to seek clarifications or questions from this witness. Hon. Thang’wa, proceed.

Hon. Senators, kindly take your seats. Just pause the video first. Sorry for that, we had to ensure that the videos we are playing are of quality so that we can be able to follow through. Counsel, you may now proceed.

Counsel for the County Assembly. Please proceed with your witness for cross-examination.

Hon. Witness, please answer the question.

Proceed, Counsel.

Counsel, cross-examine on different areas. There is a notice to the other witness. You actually cross-examined areas that your colleague had covered. So, if an area has been covered, please, do not return there.

Counsel, you know, the Senator for Meru and I think Sen. Mo Fire are the ones who understand Kimeru here. If you start exchanging with witnesses on Meru words, you are basically leaving the Senate behind.

Counsel, I am getting a bit uncomfortable. I wish you could cross-examine on areas that your colleague has not cross examined on. Otherwise, you are starting as if your colleague has not done any work. This is because all those questions that you are asking are exactly what your colleague...

Thank you. Hon. Senators, we have five minutes to seek any clarification or questions.

Thank you. Hon. Senators, we have five minutes to ask questions or clarifications. Sen. Cherarkey.

Proceed to respond to that question.

Was the Cabinet Secretary in-charge of Environment, Climate Change and Forestry present in that tree-planting exercise?

Hon. Kavindu Muthama.

Hon. Senators, we need to move to the next witness. You can now stand down. Counsel for the Governor, kindly call your third witness. (The Witness for Meru County Governor (Mr. Dickson Munene) was ushered into the Chamber)

Proceed to take your oath. ((The Witness for Meru County Governor (Mr. Dickson Munene) took the Oath)

You had four hours. You have done two, you remain with two hours. If this witness takes two, the other witness will take the other hour.

Clerk, do we have quorum? (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted with the Speaker) Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Serjeant-at-Arms, you may stop the bell. We have a quorum now. Order! Hon. Senators, kindly take your seats. Clerk, please, call the first Order. HEARING...

Counsel for Governor, would you wish to re-examine the witness? How much time?

Thank you. Hon. Senators, we will have 10 minutes for questions and verifications, starting with Sen. Tabitha Mutinda.

Proceed, counsel.

Sen. Tabitha Mutinda, you certainly cannot do that. Proceed, Counsel.

Sen. Mwaruma.

Sen. Miraj.

Respond. Dr. Muthomi Thiankolu: Mr. Speaker, Sir, we do not know that, but this complaint was also sent to the EACC and many other agencies. We do not know whether EACC is investigating them and there is no evidence either from the Governor or anyone that the EACC is investigating...

Counsel, proceed to respond. Dr. Muthomi Thiankolu: Mr. Speaker, Sir, we answered yesterday that the oversight function of the County Assembly and of the Senate is not conditional upon or dependent on whether there is a report by the OAG. It is no requirement that we have a report from...

Counsel for the Governor, proceed.

Thank you. Lastly, Sen. Sifuna.

Proceed, counsel for the County Assembly. Dr. Muthomi Thiankolu: Mr. Speaker, Sir, we only received those documents on Saturday evening. So, we have not had the opportunity to subject them to forensic examination. However, you do not need to be an expert in forensics to point out that the dates...

Counsel for the Governor, the counsel for the County Assembly apologized and sought to have that record expunged. As we are concerned, that particular record does not form part of the record of the Senate.

Secretariat, stop the video. Technical team, work on it, we will get back to it once the system has been worked on. Counsel, proceed. Once we are ready with the video we can come back to it.

Proceed, for the next 30 minutes.

County Assembly, you may proceed to do your cross- examination. By way of indication, counsel for the County Assembly, how much time do you need? Dr. Muthomi Thiankolu: Mr. Speaker, Sir, if it finds favour with you, we request for two and a half hours. We only make this request...

Sen. Osotsi?

Counsel for the Governor, proceed to respond to the question that was asked by Sen. Wakili Sigei and then the Counsel for the County Assembly, you will respond to the question raised by Sen. Osotsi.

Proceed, Counsel for County Assembly. Dr. Muthomi Thiankolu: Mr. Speaker, Sir, the question was as to discrepancies between the letter at page 425 of the Governor's bundle and the letter at page 60 of the County Assembly's bundle. It is indeed true that there are discrepancies. That is why we...

Governor, proceed to respond. Gov. Kawira Mwangaza: Thank you, Mr Speaker, Sir. The Okolea Programme, as I said before, has been there for the last 12 years. It is purely funded by the Baite Family Fellowship, where I am the Bishop. All the offerings we get from the church, the...

Thank you. Sen. Nyamu.

Proceed, Sen. (Dr.) Oburu.

Proceed, Sen. Mbugua.

Hon. Senators, that wraps up as far as this witness is concerned. Unless I gazette tomorrow as a sitting day, we will certainly overrun the runway. Looking at the time allocated here, if we lose just a minute, I will have to gazette tomorrow to be a date for us...

The counsel for the Governor, you may now proceed to make your closing statements. You have exactly one hour, starting now. CLOSING STATEMENT ON BEHALF OF MERU COUNTY GOVERNOR

Counsel, you have 15 minutes.

Sen. Okiya Omtatah, kindly take your seat. Take your seat, Sen. Mumma. Hon. Senators, ladies and gentlemen, following the conclusion of the closing remarks by the Counsel for the County Assembly and that of the Governor, Rule 27 of the Rules of Procedure, while considering the proposed removal of the...

Clerk, next Order. RESOLUTION TO REMOVE FROM OFFICE, BY IMPEACHMENT, THE GOVERNOR OF MERU COUNTY Senate Majority Leader, proceed.

Thank you, Hon. Senators. I will now proceed to propose the question. (Question proposed) Hon. Senators, we may now proceed to debate. What is your point of order, Sen. Cherarkey? (Interruption of debate on Motion) PROCEDURAL MOTION LIMITATION OF DEBATE ON MOTION

Hon. Senators, I do not need to subject that Motion to debate. I will proceed to put the question. (Question put and agreed to) (Resumption of debate on Motion) Each Senator will have three minutes to contribute. Proceed, Sen. Wambua.

Your time is up. Proceed, Sen. Boni.

Your time is up, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale. (Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale spoke off record) Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, you are off record. (Loud consultations)

Proceed, Sen. Ali Roba.

Sen. Olekina.

Proceed, Sen. Nyamu.

Your time is up, Sen. Nyamu. Proceed, Sen. M. Kajwang.’ (Applause)

Sen. Wafula, proceed.

Sen. Omogeni, proceed.

Sen. Tobiko, you may have the Floor.

Sen. Sifuna, you may have the Floor. Sen. Sifuna, you have the Floor.

Sen. Tabitha Keroche, you have the Floor

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for according me the opportunity to make a contribution to the debate before the House on the impeachment of Governor Mwangaza under Article 181 of the Constitution. It is clear that the seven charges levelled against the Governor of Meru County have a set threshold...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, one, I congratulate Members of County Assembly. I predicted in December that we will come back where we are today during the first impeachment. It is their constitutional right. Impeachment is a political process. I am happy gender is not on trial. It is about the competency,...

Thank you Mr. Speaker, Sir. Since I have a short time, I will start by saying that from the onset, this Senate agreed that we are going to listen to the merits and demerits of the case and decide. I have spent hours sitting here and listening to the presentation...

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I start by appreciating the County Assembly of Meru for this far they have come. It has been challenging. It has been evident out there. It has been tough. They have walked a journey like any other journey that you can walk. Every journey has...

Asante Bw. Spika kwa kunipa fursa hii kuchangia Hoja hii muhimu iliyo mbele yetu. Kwanza nazipongeza pande zote mbili; upande wa Bunge la Kaunti na upande wa gavana kwa kuleta matatizo yao katika Seneti, ili yatatuliwe. Hakuna upande ambao utakaokuwa umeshinda uamuzi utakaotolewa. Uamuzi utakaotoka hapa utakuwa ni uamuzi wa...

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for giving me an opportunity to speak to this Motion. This evening I have been called upon to make a very difficult decision, a decision that if we sent Governor Kawira Mwangaza home, then her career comes to a grinding halt. Mr. Speaker,...

(Loud consultations) (Loud consultations) (Loud consultations) (Applause)(Applause) (Applause) (Applause) Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for this opportunity to also make my contribution to the Motion. From the onset, I challenge the procedure because I wish we would be making these comments after we did the voting. If you hear the...

Hon. Deputy Speaker, your time is up. At this juncture, I will call upon the Mover to reply. The Senate Leader of Majority (

saying. You cannot openly side and say that certain leaders have spoken about things that do not impress you while we have seen that it appears to be a culture in Meru where every leader, including Governor Kawira who is here with us, says foul things to each other. This...

Clerk, do we have quorum? (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted the Speaker) Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Serjeant-at-Arms, proceed to ring the Bell for a further 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Serjeant-at-Arms, we now have quorum. Kindly stop the Bell. Hon....

Senate Majority Leader, you will exchange greetings much later. Hon. Senators, kindly take your seats. Order, hon. Senators. Sen. Olekina, kindly take your seat. Senate Majority Leader, you should be helping the Chair to bring calm in the House. Clerk, you may proceed to call the first Order. COMMUNICATION FROM...

Sen. Faki, please, take your seat. On behalf of the Senate, I welcome the County Assembly team, the Governor’s team, members of the public and the media to the Senate and to these proceedings today. I invite the Clerk to read the charges against Hon. Kawira Mwangaza, the Governor of...

Thank you. Next is the opening statement on behalf of the Governor. Counsel, you have 30 minutes. At the end of the 30 minutes, the microphone will go off. Anything you say after that will be off record and of no use to your client. OPENING STATEMENT ON BEHALF OF...

Let me take this opportunity to thank the parties for keeping to the time schedule. I believe that going forward, if we keep it the way we have expedited here now, we should be able to cover ground. Now we are moving to adjourn the House. However, as just a...

Clerk, do we have quorum? (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted the Speaker) Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Serjeant-at-Arms, we now have quorum. Kindly stop the Bell. Clerk, proceed to call the first Order. QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS Hon. Senators, we had invited three Cabinet...

Hon. CS, you may now proceed to respond to the Question. The Cabinet Secretary for Health (Hon. Nakhumicha) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, I thank the Senate for inviting me to appear in Plenary and respond to questions and for your indulgence. I am supposed to have appeared two weeks ago....

Thank you. Sen. Wamatinga, you may have the Floor.

Hon. Cabinet Secretary, please, respond. The Cabinet Secretary for Health (Hon. Nakumicha) : Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. In my submission, I indicated what we have done with counties. As a Ministry, we have undertaken training of all county directors of health and the disability assessment teams on disability medical...

Hon. Cabinet, Secretary, you may respond. The Cabinet Secretary for Health (Hon. Nakumicha) : Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I appreciate and acknowledge the Senator that at least, there is evidence that the CHP are all round the country and happy that you encountered one at Ekerenyo Sub-County Hospital.Mr. Speaker,...

Sen. Dullo, pursuant to Standing Order No.51 (c) Sen. Veronica Maina, you may have the Floor.

Hon. CS, you may respond. The Cabinet Secretary for Health (Hon. Nakhumicha) : Thank you, Mr. Speaker Sir. One of our approaches to delivering Universal Health Coverage (UHC) is partnerships with donors, NGOs and other non-governmental actors, including civil society, in ensuring that we deliver UHC. What we have done...

Hon. CS, you may respond to that question. The Cabinet Secretary for Health (Hon. Nakhumicha) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, I acknowledge the question. Previously, the assessment was only at one level at the Ministry, but right now, the assessment has already been devolved. Therefore, each county has a multi- stakeholder...

Hon. Cabinet Secretary (CS) , please proceed. The Cabinet Secretary for Health (Hon. Nakhumicha) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, I appreciate Sen. Methu for bringing out the issue on Dyslexia as one of the disabilities that exists. As a Ministry, we follow the World Health Organization (WHO) calendar of celebrations of...

Hon. CS, please proceed. The Cabinet Secretary for Health (Hon. Nakhumicha) : Indeed, I acknowledge that women with disability require assisted delivery. As the Government, we have two programmes. One is Linda Mama, which takes care of all women in terms of delivery. It begins from them being able to...

Hon. Senator, you are supposed to ask a question not render your appreciations. (Laughter)

Hon. CS, please proceed. The Cabinet Secretary for Health (Hon. Nakhumicha) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, I appreciate the accolades from the Senator of Kwale County. It was a nice experience to be in Msambweni to launch the Cancer Awareness Day. I would like to highlight that the Community Health Promoters...

Proceed, Hon. Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Health (Hon. Nakhumicha) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, specifically, on the issue of the CHPs, we require standardization and consistency. At the national level, we are the ones who have undertaken training for the CHPs. The national Government funded the kits. We are...

Proceed, Hon. Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Health (Hon. Nakhumicha) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, as we are aware, stakeholders’ participation is enshrined in law. Therefore, we involve PwDs when developing policies at different levels during public participation. Having said that, at the Ministry of Health (MoH) , we have...

Proceed, Hon. Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Health (Hon. Nakhumicha) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, it is true that the maternity services infrastructure for PwDs is quite low. Therefore, it is one of the things that we shall be working together with the county governments in filling the gaps that...

Hon. Cabinet Secretary? The Cabinet Secretary for Health (Hon. Susan Nakhumicha) : Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Thank you, Sen. (Dr) Khalwale for that Question. Schedule Four of the Constitution of Kenya distributes functions between the national and the county Governments. Under the national Government, we have the referral health...

Sen. (Dr) Khalwale, if I got the CS correct, what the national Government was to give very precise assistance in the form of Kshs200 million. The national Government never indicated that they were going to take over this facility. Matters of securing the facility cannot be put on the shoulders...

Proceed, hon. Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Health (Hon. Nakhumicha) : Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir and hon. Members. Thank you, Sen. Mandago, for that question. The responsibility of health is shared between the national Government and the county governments. As we sit today, I have requests from 42...

Proceed, Hon. Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Health (Hon. Nakhumicha) : Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir and hon. Members. Yes, there is prioritisation criteria. Mostly, it is based on the needs of the populations, and the level of investment that is required. Where there is a huge population that...

Thank you. You do not need to respond to that. It is not a Question as the Senator has said. We need to conclude this, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale. What say you?

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, this is a House of rules and procedure. You have not lost your right under Standing Order No. 53. You can request for a Statement, which can be committed to both Standing Committee on Health and the Committee on Finance and Budget. The Cabinet Secretary has not...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, you will make that statement when you get to Kakamega. That is a better forum not the Plenary. Hon. Cabinet Secretary, let me take this opportunity to thank you for availing yourself for purposes of responding to these Questions. You are now free to leave to do...

Kindly give us a minute. [The Speaker (Hon. Kingi) left the Chair] [The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) in the Chair]

Clerk, do we have quorum? (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted the Speaker) Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) (Several Senators walked into the Chamber) Hon. Senators, I am informed that we now have quorum. Clerk, kindly proceed to call the first Order. Hon. Senators...

Next Order, Clerk. MESSAGE FROM THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY PASSAGE OF THE NATIONAL RATING BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO.55 OF 2022) PAPERS LAID REPORTS ON FINANCIAL STATEMENTS OF VARIOUS COUNTY ENTITIES

Next Order, Clerk. We now move to Statements pursuant to Standing Order No.52 (1) . QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS STATEMENTS PROPOSED INTRODUCTION OF SERVICE CHARGES AT HUDUMA CENTRES Statement pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) . Sen. Nyamu, please proceed. DEATH OF MASTER HARDERS KANYORA MUTAHI

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, you have three Statements. Proceed to with the three of them. STATUS OF EMPLOYMENT CONTRACTS BY COUNTY GOVERNMENT OF KAKAMEGA

Proceed, Sen. Kavindu Muthama. EXPANSION OF ROADS IN MACHAKOS COUNTY

The next Statement is by Sen. Oketch Gicheru. POSITION OF “ADVISOR” IN THE PUBLIC SERVICE

You can take them at ago. DEBT WAIVERS AND BAILOUTS BY THE GOVERNMENT OF KENYA

Thank you, Senator. The three Statements by Sen. (Prof.) Tom Ojienda, are dropped. PROVISION OF AGRICULTURAL EXTENSION SERVICES IN KISUMU COUNTY EARLY CHILDHOOD DEVELOPMENT EDUCATION IN KISUMU COUNTY PENDING BILLS ACCRUED BY THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT OF KISUMU STATE OF DIGITAL INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE PUBLIC SERVICE

Sen. Chute, proceed. Sen. Abass, are you holding brief for Sen. Chute?

Proceed and present the three Statements. ALLEGED GRABBING OF PUBLIC LAND IN MARSABIT COUNTY

Sen. Mwaruma, proceed. DEATH OF MR. SAMUEL MWATATE NZAI THROUGH ALLEGED MEDICAL NEGLIGENCE

The Chairperson Standing Committee on Roads Transportation and Housing is not in the House. The Statements pursuant to Standing Order 56 (1) (aa) are therefore deferred. RETESTING OF PSV DRIVERS UPON EXPIRY OF THEIR DRIVING LICENSES CONSTRUCTION OF THE LINK ROAD BETWEEN LAKE KENYATTA PRIMARY SCHOOL AND UZIWA JUNCTION IN...

Hon. Senators, I will allow intervention on all these statements for a period of 15 minutes. Sen. Cherarkey, you may proceed.

Sen. Maanzo, you may proceed.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, you have the Floor.

Sen. Ogola, you may proceed.

Sen. Tabitha Mutinda, you have the Floor.

Sen. Faki, please proceed.

Sen. Kisang.

Sen. Sifuna, please proceed.

Proceed, Sen. Veronica Maina.

Proceed, Sen. Kavindu Muthama.

Sen. Orwoba?

Proceed, Sen. Mariam Omar.

Sen. (Dr.) Oburu.

Proceed, Sen. Osotsi.

Sen. Osotsi, Sen. Faki wishes to inform you.

Proceed, Sen. Osotsi.

Sen. Osotsi, could you proceed to substantiate that particular allegation by naming the companies involved? Sen. Faki, was informing Sen. Osotsi, but Sen. Osotsi, go by your earlier statement. You can elect to go by the information given or discard it, if you find it not so useful. If it...

Hon. Senators, at this juncture, allow me for the convenience of the House to rearrange the sequence of todays’ Order Paper and move to deal with Order Nos.16 and 17, and thereafter, we shall resume the normal flow as per the Order Paper. Clerk, kindly proceed to call that Order....

Clerk, do we have quorum? (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted with the Speaker) Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Serjeant-at-Arms, I am informed that we do have Quorum now. Kindly stop the Bell. Clerk, proceed to call the first Order, please. COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE...

Next Order, Clerk. (Sen. Omogeni and Sen. Oketch Gicheru walked into the Chamber) Sen. Omogeni and Sen. Oketch Gicheru, we are waiting for you to take your seats. Kindly, hasten. (Sen. Omogeni and Sen. Eddie Oketch walked into the Chamber) MESSAGE FROM MERU COUNTY ASSEMBLY APPROVAL OF MOTION IN THE...

Chairperson Standing Committee on Devolution and Inter-Governmental Relations, please, proceed. Majority Leader, you are consulting rather loudly. REPORT ON PETITION: LACK OF ABSORPTION OF CONTRACTED INSTRUCTORS UNDER THE ESP BY NYERI COUNTY

The Chairperson, Standing Committee on National Security, Defence and Foreign Relations. REPORT ON PETITION: RECOGNITION AND REMUNERATION OF VILLAGE ELDERS

Next Order. PAPERS LAID Proceed, Senate Majority Leader.

The Chairperson, Standing Committee on Finance and Budget. The Chairperson, Standing Committee on Justice, Legal Affairs and Human Rights? REPORT ON CONSTITUTION OF KENYA (AMENDMENT) BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.15 OF 2023)

Next Order. Senate Minority Whip, hon. Sen. Olekina. NOTICE OF MOTION ESTABLISHMENT OF A SPECIAL COMMITTEE TO INVESTIGATE THE PROPOSED REMOVAL FROM OFFICE, BY IMPEACHMENT, OF THE GOVERNOR OF MERU COUNTY

Hon. Senators, at this juncture, you will allow me, and this is for the convenience of the House, to rearrange the sequence of today’s Order Paper and straightaway, we move to prosecute Order No. 9 in the Order Paper. Clerk, proceed to call that Order. Proceed, Senate Minority Whip. ESTABLISHMENT...

Senate Minority Whip, as you move this Motion, just confine your moving speech to the merits of having a Special Committee as opposed to the Plenary. Just convince your colleagues why you feel a Special Committee is more effective compared to the Plenary.

Sen. Cherarkey, what is your point of order? The very last point of order on this matter.

Sen. Sifuna, it is only the Chair who determines whether a point of order stands or is overruled. Sen. Cherarkey, you have made your point of order, kindly take your seat. Sen. Olekina, kindly, proceed as that does not warrant being called a point of order. Just proceed and conclude.

Sen. M. Kajwang’ you know you cannot stand on a point of order when there is no Senator on the floor. (Sen. M. Kajwang’ spoke off record) He is done and he would not be able to come back. (Sen. M. Kajwang’ stood in his place) Is it a point...

That point of order is sustained and, certainly, Sen. Crystal Asige cannot be the one to second this Motion.

Sen. Cherarkey, I am giving you the final warning for the day. If you have anything to say, speak through the Chair. Do not engage your colleagues directly. Sen. Kathuri, what is your point of order?

Sen. Kathuri, that point of order is overruled. The role of the Senate is to offer oversight to all counties, including Meru. The subject matter of the Motion that we are moving is Meru County. You cannot contribute without mentioning Meru County. Sen. Sifuna, kindly proceed. (Loud consultations)

Hon. Senators, kindly take your seats. Sen. Okiya Omtatah, unaleta matata. Tafadhali keti. Sen. Nyamu and Sen. Abdalla, kindly take your seat. (The Senators resumed their seats) Hon. Senators, I will now proceed to propose the question. (Sen. Nyamu and Sen. Cherarkey spoke off record) Order, Sen. Nyamu and Sen....

Sen. Sifuna, if I am to throw out Sen. Cherarkey, you may have to follow behind. (Laughter) PROCEDURAL MOTION LIMITATION OF DEBATING TIME

Hon. Senators, we do not need to debate this Motion. We can strike a consensus that each Senator speaks for three minutes. (Applause)

Sen. Osotsi, proceed.

Sen. Cheruiyot, you have the Floor.

Sen. Faki, you may have the Floor.

Sen. Munyi Mundigi, you may have the Floor.

Order, Sen. Munyi Mundigi.

That point of order is overruled. Proceed Sen. Munyi Mundigi.

Sen. Munyi Mundigi, kadri unavyochangia Hoja hii, nakusihi utie maanani ile tahadhari ambayo nimetoa kabla hatujaanza mdahalo huu. Hatuzungumzii ukweli, uzito, usawa ama uchache wa ile kesi. Hoja iliyo mbele yetu kwa sasa ni aidha, tuchague Kamati ifanye uchunguzi ama Seneti mzima ifanya uchunguzi. Kwa hivyo, tafadhali, usiende nje ya...

Sen. Munyi Mundigi, just sit down. (Loud consultations) Order, Senators.

Sen. Munyi Mundigi, ikiwa ni kweli uliyatamka matamshi hayo, kwamba Seneta wa Mombasa, Sen. Faki, anatumia dawa za kulevya, itabidi usimame, uyaondoe maneno hayo katika nakala na uombe msamaha ndipo uendelee kumaliza.

Sen. Oketch Gicheru, you may have the Floor.

Sen. Joe Nyutu, you have the Floor.

Sen. Joe. Nyutu, proceed.

Sen. Joe Nyutu, kindly take your seat. Please, freeze his time. What is your point of order, Sen. Sifuna?

Sen. Joe Nyutu, the Motion before us is to have a Special Committee investigate this matter. From the onset, if I heard you correctly, you are opposed to it and you favour the Plenary. Convince your colleagues why the Plenary is the best way to go without necessarily going the...

Sen. Dullo, you have the Floor.

Sen. Wafula, please, proceed.

Sen. Crystal Asige, please, proceed.

Order, Senators!

Sen. Tabitha Mutinda, please proceed.

Sen. Kavindu Muthama, please proceed.

Proceed, Sen. Wamatinga.

Proceed, Sen. Mwaruma.

Proceed, Sen. Chute.

Proceed, Sen. M. Kajwang’.

What is your point of order, Sen. Olekina?

Sen. M. Kajwang’, the decision as to whether to go the committee or the plenary way is a decision to be made by the House. The SBC can only facilitate a Member wishing to bring a Motion on the Committee. In this regard, the SBC facilitated the tabling of the...

Order, Sen. Olekina! Sen. Cherarkey and indeed, Sen. M. Kajwang’, the mandate of the Senate is to prosecute this matter at the Plenary. However, the Senate in its own wisdom can decide to form a Committee. Sen. Cherarkey.

What is your point of order, Sen. Oketch Gicheru.

Sen. Cherarkey, I gave guidance when I was giving the Communication. What is before you is a Motion to pass a resolution for a Special Committee. Either, you are for it or you are not. The substance of the impeachment cannot be the subject matter of any Senator’s contribution here....

Sen. Mungatana. Sen. Sifuna, I can only pick a Senator from this side whose name is on the dashboard. As I speak, the names on the dashboard are all from this side. So, if you wish to speak--- Proceed.

What is your point of order, Sen. Asige? Sen. Mungatana, kindly yield.

Sen. Mungatana, be sensitive on this matter.

Sen. Thang’wa, proceed.

That is more of a point of information than a point of order.

Sen. Ali Roba, proceed.

Proceed, Sen. Ogola.

Proceed, Sen. Veronica Maina.

Proceed, Sen. Nyamu.

Proceed, Sen. Miraj.

Proceed, Sen. Orwoba.

Sen. Wakili Sigei proceed.

Sen. Cheptumo proceed.

Sen. Seki, proceed.

Sen. Sifuna, look at Standing Order No. 110 (4) and just read it for the benefit of your colleagues and yourself in particular. Sen. Sifuna, kindly look at Standing Order No. 109 (3) . Would you still wish to proceed with your point of order?

Proceed Sen. Seki.

Sen. Kisang, proceed.

Sen. Kinyua, proceed.

Sen. Okiya Omtatah, who has permitted you to stand? What is your point of order, Sen. Okiya Omtatah?

Senator for Lamu County, take a seat. Hon. Senators, Sen. Okiya Omtatah has read the mood of the House and is seeking for the chair to call the Mover to reply. (Sen. Mwaruma stood in his place) Sen. Mwaruma, take your seat. This is a matter we can dispense with...

Order, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale and Sen. Kisang!

What is your point of order, Sen. Kathuri.

Senator for Meru County, indeed, I am aware that this matter originates from your home county. However, if you look at our Standing Orders, the Mover has 20 minutes to make a reply. Sen. Olekina, you are left with three of the 20 minutes.

What is your point of order, Sen. Cherarkey?

Senator for Nandi County, had you not shot up on a point of order, Sen. Olekina would be through by now. I said he had three minutes.

Hon. Senators, as you may notice, this is a Procedural Motion. It does not go to the substance of the subject of impeachment. Therefore, pursuant to Standing Order No.84 (1) , I will proceed to make my determination, which is that, it does not affect the counties. (Sen. Oketch Gicheru...

Very well. Proceed to call Order No.20. NOTING OF REPORT OF THE SENATE DELEGATION TO THE 67TH SESSION OF THE COMMISSION ON THE STATUS OF WOMEN (CSW 67)

Clerk, do we have quorum? (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted the Speaker) Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Hon. Senators, kindly take your seats. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Senators, there being no quorum and having rung the bell pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order No.40...

Clerk, do we have quorum? (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted with the Speaker) Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Serjeant-at-Arms, I am informed that we do have Quorum now. Kindly, stop the Bell. Clerk, proceed to call the first Order, please. Sen. Omogeni and...

Next Order, Clerk. Hon. Senators, I have three Messages that I wish to communicate. MESSAGES FROM THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY PASSAGE OF THE SUGAR BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO.34 OF 2022) “PURSUANT to the provisions of Standing Order No. 41(1) and 142 of the National Assembly Standing Orders, I hereby convey...

Proceed, Sen. Omogeni.

Senator for Laikipia County. Hoja yako ya nidhamu ni ipi?

Sen. Omogeni, endelea na hotuba yako tafadhali.

Sen. Kisang

Proceed, Sen. Faki.

Proceed, Sen. Tabitha Mutinda

Sen. Olekina, proceed.

Sen. Wafula, proceed.

Sen. (Prof.) Tom Ojienda, SC, you may have the Floor.

Hon. Senators, pursuant to Standing Order No.238 COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR SUBSTANTIATION OF UTTERANCES BY SEN. OSOTSI

There is a point of Order from Sen. Cheruiyot. POINT OF ORDER SUBSTANTIATION AS PER PARLIAMENTARY PRACTICE

Yes, Sen. M. Kajwang, you have the Floor.

Yes, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale and Sen. Madzayo, then you will allow me to rule on that.

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On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Very well, Senator. The Senate Minority Leader (

Senator of Nandi County, I have ruled on the matter, let us not prolong it into a debate. Proceed, Sen. Osotsi. You just need to prove those two things that it happened, and the OB is the evidence, animals were burnt by the attackers, and here is the video, then...

Sen Osotsi, just table it. I will review them, and then I will communicate. So, just table it, and take your seat. (Sen. Osotsi laid on the table the evidence)

Okay, Mr. Speaker, Sir. (Loud consultation) We will review the evidence as has been tabled by Senator Osotsi, and thereafter, I will make a Communication in that regard. (Sen. Osotsi spoke off record) What more do you need? You have tabled your evidence. Do you have more evidence or you...

Very well. Senator for Nandi County, I know where you are going. Please, take your seat.

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. (Laughter) PAPER LAID Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am rising for guidance at this stage of laying of the papers. I wish that you guide us, as a House, in respect of contravening of Standing Order Nos.100, 205 and 206. The relevance of...

Order, Senators. (Loud consultations) (Loud consultations)

That much I know. (Laughter)

I thank Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale who is my good friend and we have served a long time in this House. I want to believe that he is doing this in good faith. Indeed, when Sen. Cherarkey and Sen. (Dr) Khalwale came for the meeting on Friday, I treated them with...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, the problem with my colleague, Sen. Cherarkey, is that when you are making submissions in this House, he is consulting and not following what is happening. So, he is totally out of order. Let us get serious, I mentioned that there was a request from the DCI...

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. So, it is not abnormal and all of us know here that you can travel even outside the country, pay for your own accommodation and later on make arrangements for reimbursement because either procurement procedures delay or the Exchequer is delayed. For someone to say...

(Loud consultations)

Sen. Orwoba, acquaint yourself with the Standing Orders. The Member is on a point of order. All these Members who are speaking on the Shakahola issue are doing so on the platform of a point of order. So, you cannot draw a point of order on a point of order....

Mr. Speaker, Sir, let me finish what I am saying and then I address myself. The point of the matter is that Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale has misinformed this House that, that Pastor was out on bail. We had the lawyers. That person had been held by police, but there are...

Hon. Senators, you know--- (Sen. Orwoba spoke off record) Order, Sen. Orwoba! Hon. Senators, there are matters that are better handled administratively and others are better handled through Plenary. This is one such matter that is better handled administratively. The point of order is on procedural administrative issues. This matter...

Sen. Orwoba and Sen. (Dr.) Murango, order, please.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I am requesting to adjourn this Debate because we have a very urgent matter on the Order Paper that has timelines and has to do with the extension of the mandate and time for the National Dialogue Committee. I will read Standing Order No. 110 - “Adjournment...

Clerk, do we have quorum? (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted with the Speaker) Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly, ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Serjeant-at-Arms, I am informed that we do have Quorum now, kindly stop the Bell. Clerk, proceed to call the first Order, please. COMMUNICATION FROM THE...

Okay, proceed before Sen. Lomenen takes the Floor. REPORT ON PETITION: UNFAIR TERMS OF SERVICE AND DELAY IN INTERNSHIP POSTING FOR STAFF UNDER THE UHC PROGRAMME; AND UNFAIR TREATMENT OF CHERP STAFF

Hon. Senators, pursuant to Standing Order No. 238 (1) , I direct that the Petition be committed to the Standing Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations. In terms of Standing Order No. 238 (2) , the Committee is required in not more than 60 calendar days from the time of...

Senator for Nandi, I was almost obliged. However, you have messed up that opportunity. There are 23 Statements in the Order Paper today. If we allow any comment on Petitions or Statements, we might not make any progress. However, Senator for Nandi, I will allow you two minutes to speak...

What is your point of order, Sen. Kavindu Muthama? NOTICE OF MOTION OF ADJOURNMENT UNDER STANDING ORDER NO. 37 DEMOLITION OF HOMES AND PROPERTIES IN MAVOKO, MACHAKOS COUNTY

Hon. Senators, I am satisfied that the threshold required under Standing No.37 (5) has been met. Therefore, I direct that this Motion be moved at 5.30 p.m. Next Order. QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS STATEMENTS We will start with Statements Under Standing Order No.52 (1) , Senator for Nandi, Sen. Cherarkey, proceed....

Sen. Crystal Asige, you may have the Floor. That statement is dropped. COMMEMORATION OF THE WORLD SIGHT DAY MEASURES TO ADDRESS INSECURITY IN TURKANA COUNTY

Sen. Veronica Maina, you may have the Floor. ALLEGED POLITICALLY INSTIGATED HARASSMENT OF EMPLOYEES IN COUNTIES

Sen. Wafula, you may have the Floor. STATUS OF RECENT EMPLOYMENT OF SENIOR MANAGERS AT KENHA

Proceed. HEALTHCARE SERVICES TO BENEFICIARIES OF NHIF

Sen. Oketch Gicheru, you may have the Floor. THE DEATH OF MAURINE ACHIENG’ AND HER NEWBORN CHILD

Senator of Laikipia County, Sen. Kinyua, proceed.

Senator of Laikipia County, you may have a valid point of order but, why did you have to wait until the good Senator concluded his contribution? The Statement has already been committed to a Standing Committee. However, hon. Members, the point of order by the Senator of Laikipia County is...

The Secretariat is duly notified but before I make my ruling, I will allow Sen Sifuna.

I thank you. Hon. Senators, there are safety valves in approving these Statements, and all those safety valves are guided by Standing Order No.55. So again, the Secretariat, as you are processing these Statements from hon. Members, they will be placed before you, raw. kindly, be guided by the contents...

Sen. Kibwana, please proceed. SALE OF TELKOM KENYA TO INFRASTRUCTURE CORPORATION AFRICA

Sen. Cherarkey, please proceed. FINANCIAL STATUS AND OPERATIONS OF POSTAL CORPORATION OF KENYA

Clerk, do we have quorum? (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted the Speaker) Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) (Several Senators walked into the Chamber) I am informed we now have quorum. Clerk, proceed to call the first Order. Hon. Senators, due to the business...

The Chairperson Mediation Committee, proceed to table the report. REPORT OF THE MEDIATION COMMITTEE ON THE PUBLIC FINANCE MANAGEMENT (AMENDMENT) BILL, 2023

Clerk, kindly proceed to call the next order. NOTICE OF MOTION ADOPTION OF THE MEDIATION COMMITTEE REPORT ON THE PUBLIC FINANCE MANAGEMENT (AMENDMENT) BILL, 2023

Hon. Senators, pursuant to Standing Order 45 (2) allow me to rearrange the sequence of today’s Order Paper for the convenience of the House. We will move to prosecute Order No. 14. Thereafter, we shall proceed to the Committee of the Whole. If you look at today’s Order Paper, quite...

Sen. Ali Roba, there is a reason why we gave the Senators the Senators Lounge. It was so that they could consult. Once they are done, they come in here to transact business of the House and not to extend their consultation. (Sen. Ali Roba proceeded to take his seat)...

Well, the dashboard is pretty much on with only one Senator through. I have Sen. Olekina now. (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted the Chair) Hon. Senators, kindly take your seats. As the system is being worked on, we can dispose of this Procedural Motion by the Senator for Nandi County. (Sen. Mandago...

Sen. Wamatinga, you may have the Floor.

Sen. Olekina, you have the Floor.

Order! Sen. Nyamu, kindly have your seat. Going forward, Hon. Senators, I am not here to remind you of the behaviour that you are expected to uphold once you are in this Chamber. I have warned Members before and I have read the Standing Orders before, but apparently it is...

Sen Tabitha Mutinda, you need to show by way of raising your hand because my dashboard is blank.

Order, Hon. Senators!

Sen. Mumma, please proceed.

There being no other Senator wishing to speak on this Motion, I call upon the Mover to reply.

Hon. Senators, my determination on this matter is that it is a matter that affects counties. Therefore, voting shall be by delegation. At this juncture, I will ask the Serjeant-at-Arms to ring the division bell for five minutes.(The Division Bell was rung)Hon. Senators, kindly take your seats. Before I direct...

Clerk, do we have quorum? (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted with the Speaker) Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Serjeant-at-Arms, I am informed that we now have Quorum. Kindly stop the Bell. Clerk, proceed to call the first Order, please. REPORT ON PETITION: UNLAWFUL...

Hon. Okiya Omutatah, please proceed. CHANGARA WATER PAN PROJECT IN BUSIA COUNTY

Hon. Senators, pursuant to Standing Order No.238 INSECURITY IN TURKANA COUNTY Sen. Lomenen, proceed. Is the hon. Senator not in the Chamber? That Petition is dropped. PAPERS LAID Proceed, Senate Majority Leader.

Proceed, Chairperson, Standing Committee on Labour and Social Welfare. REPORT ON THE CARE AND PROTECTION OF CHILD PARENTS BILL (SENATE BILLS NO. 29 OF 2023)

Hon. Senators, for the convenience of the House and pursuant to Standing Order No.45 (2) , I wish to rearrange the sequence of today's Order Paper, to the extent that we move to prosecute Order No.13, move to Order No.14, then to Order No.15. After that, we can resume the...

Proceed, Sen. Maanzo.

Proceed, Sen. Mungatana:

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise to support the enactment of the Digital Health Bill (National Assembly Bill No.57 of 2023) as proposed. The world over; Canada, United Kingdom (UK) and the United States of America (USA) ---

Electronic Medical Records (EMR) and electronic health records are the only way that countries ensure that not only do they engage and make sure that patients get the best of health care because of their records, but also, it is easy to preserve diagnose and prevent certain illnesses arising from...

Asante Bw. Spika kwa nafasi hii ili nichangie kuhakikisha kuwa mfumo wa kidijitali wa afya unaafikia malengo ya wakenya. Kwa muda mchache ambao nimepitia Mswada huu, nimeona kuwa Mswada huu utahakikisha kuwa mfumo huu una uwezo wa kuhusisha zahanati au hospitali nchini ili zitambulike. Vile vile, wauguzi katika sekta mbali...

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I support the Bill. I must admit that I have interacted with a number of Bills and cannot remember having come close to a Bill with detailed definitions in Part One. I am not sure whether it is a good or bad thing. It is...

Hon. Senators, before I allow Sen. Mariam Omar to make her contribution, allow me to make the following Communication. COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR VISITING DELEGATION FROM THE COUNTY ASSEMBLY OF NANDI (Applause)

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity to add my voice to this Bill. I stand to support the Bill. We need change in our institutions. This Bill brings changes in our health sector. The objective of the Bill is to provide framework for our health services....

Sen. Mariam Omar, just a minute. Hon. Senators, there is a tendency that is gaining a lot of currency as we go about our business in the Senate. Many a times we see Senators roaming around the Chamber while a Member is contributing. We are a House that is guided...

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir for the opportunity to comment on this Bill. I start by appreciating the spirit of this Bill. Apart from this life of politics, I am an Information Communication Technology (ICT) practitioner. One of the solutions I have provided is integrated hospital solutions. I know what...

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I wish to support this Bill, which is long overdue. The world is going global and everything is digital. Going digital in terms of health will show the history of patients from the time of birth to death. It will make work easy for ---...

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I rise to make comments on the Digital Health Bill. One of my pet peeves is working hard to propose legislations and seeing them collapse in the ‘Lower House.’ The three arms of Government have their distinct roles. The main role of this arm of...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have nothing much to say. I had already chipped in while we sat with the Ministry of Health and I gave my observation. I will send my amendments for them to be filled in where I have seen some deficiencies. I have many observations and five...

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for an opportunity to make my contribution to this Bill. I support this Bill because of several reasons. One, in this country, we have had problems not only in health, but also in each and every other sector about misplaced files. Medical data being as...

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for giving me an opportunity to make my contribution to this Bill. I assure the Majority whip that when the President

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I know the Commissioner might have landed today. He has been away for too long. Under Standing Order No.103, is it in order to discuss matters that are in court and even point me out? It is not me, it is the institution that is in Parliament...

It is a good thing to have a lawyer as our Chair so that you advise colleagues like Sen. Cherarkey.

I had lunch with him. If he had anything to inform me, he should have informed me at that time. So, I decline. (Laughter) I had lunch with him. If he had anything to inform me, he should have informed me at that time. So, I decline. (Laughter)

Mr. Speaker, Sir, you heard the Senator for Nyamira County. He has very useful information, that the Governor of Nyamira County is corrupt and has been launching empty boxes for medicines. Since those pharmaceuticals are bought by funds that are appropriated in this House, could the Senator for Nyamira County...

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. This Bill is good. I am impressed that my records are going to be stored for the next 25 years. When I retire from Nairobi City to my village in Nyamira and I am consulting a doctor in my primary health care, he or she...

Asante, Bw. Spika. Nimesimama kuunga mkono Mswada huu. Ni kwa sababu sisi watu wa mashambani tulikuwa tunapitia mambo magumu sana hapo awali. Ukienda kwa daktari, hauitwi jina lako bali unaitwa kulingana na ugonjwa wako. Kuna magonjwa mengine ambayo hayafai kutajwa. Mswada huu--- (An Hon. Senator spoke off record) Wewe wacha...

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for the opportunity to contribute to this important Bill. First, I would like to basically adopt what Sen. Omogeni said; this is a very progressive Bill. I wish to echo what my senior brother, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, has said about the Bill. Mr. Speaker, Sir,...

Sen. Gataya Mo Fire.

I thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. From the onset, I do support this Bill because the future of medicine must be digitized. This will ensure that you curate and tailor medicine and healthcare to individuals. Such that individuals can take control of their prevention measures on healthcare as well as...

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for this opportunity. I rise in support of this very good Bill. I am coming from a point of being a digital literacy ambassador. In 2023 as we are, I really do advocate for matters digital. Also coming from the medical space of having been...

Proceed, Sen. Miraj.

Bw. Spika, najiunga na wenzangu pia kuunga mkono Mswada huu wakuweka stakabadhi za afya katika njia ya kidijitali. Sheria hii imechelewa sana katika nchi hii. Tayari madaktari kwenye hospitali nyingi wanafanya vile bila ya kuwa na hii sheria. Madaktari wengi wanaofanya kazi ya kupiga picha kwenye radiolojia, wanayo nafasi ya...

Asante, Bw. Spika, kwa kunipa fursa hii. Nataka kuungana na wenzangu ili kuunga mkono Mswada huu. Kwa kweli teknolojia iko nasi sasa. Hatuwezi kuiepuka. Ndio maana nasimama kuunga mkono Mswada huu kwa sababu ukipita, wagonjwa wetu watapata afueni. Sehemu nyingi vijijini kama Rumuruti, Dodo na Kimanju katika Kaunti ya Laikipia...

Yes. He might want to tell us which country he was in. (Laughter) Yes. He might want to tell us which country he was in. (Laughter)

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity. I rise to support the Digital Health Bill. This is one of the Bills that this House will state that it came together to pass for the benefit of our people on the ground. It will ensure efficiency when our...