Amason Jeffah Kingi

Clerk, do we have quorum? (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted with the Speaker) Serjeant-at-arms, please ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (Quorum Bell was rung) Serjeant-at-Arms, I am informed that we now have quorum. So, kindly stop the Bell. Clerk, kindly proceed to call the first Order. COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR...

Next Order, Clerk. NOTICE OF MOTION ESTABLISHMENT OF THE NATIONAL DIALOGUE COMMITTEE

Next Order. (The Clerk consulted the Speaker) COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR VISITING DELEGATION FROM ST. BRIGID ACADEMY, ELGEYO-MARAKWET COUNTY Hon. Senators, kindly take your seats. Before we proceed to the next Order, allow me to make the following Communication. I would like to acknowledge the presence, in the Public Gallery...

Next Order. Hon. Senators, pursuant to Standing Order No.45 (2) , allow me to re-arrange the sequence of today’s Order Paper. We will proceed with Order No.11 and thereafter, come back to Order Nos. 9 and ESTABLISHMENT OF THE NATIONAL DIALOGUE COMMITTEE

Bw. Spika, tunajua kuna

Hon. Senators, kindly let us hear the Senate Majority Leader in silence. The Senate Minority Leader (

Bw. Spika, nia yetu ni kwamba mazungumzo haya yaweze kufaulu. Tuna imani na timu ambazo tumeziweka hapa mbele.Bibilia inatuambia ya kwamba, pale watu wawili au watatu wako pamoja kuzungumza, ni lazima pawe na amani. Kwa hivyo, sisi tuko na imani na mazungumzo haya na vinara wote kutoka upande huu na...

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Dialogue is needed so that we can fill the gaps. As you have seen from the proposals of the two sides, the Majority and the Minority, there are gaps that were left out in the Constitution of Kenya 2010 and after 13 years, it is...

So, the only thing that I would like to point out so that we are also not lying to Kenyans, is that we have legal frameworks to have these national dialogues. We have the National Cohesion and Integration Commission (NCIC). In the Senate and the National Assembly, we have a...

(Technical hitch)I thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. At the very least, this National Dialogue Committee holds the promise of creating a---

Your three minutes are almost up. Please, proceed.

Just proceed to make your contribution. (Laughter) Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for this chance to make my very brief comments on this Motion on the establishment of the National Dialogue Committee. On the onset, you know, dialogue is a conversation between two or more people. That is according to...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I thank you for this opportunity. I also join my colleagues in fully supporting the Constitution of the National Dialogue Team. I am happy that the National Dialogue team is constituted along the lines of national values and principles of governance. I pray that at the end...

Proceed, Sen. Wambua.

Proceed, Sen. Murango.

Proceed, Sen. Dullo.

there are individuals who know that they can twist the process to get into government through the back door.However, our Head of Government, President (Dr.) Ruto supports this dialogue. Further, one of the agenda for Kenya Kwanza in this dialogue is creating an official opposition office. I fully support it...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, protect me from the Senate Minority Leader.

What is your point of order?

(Applause)

What is your point of order, Sen. Orwoba. Sen. (Dr.) Oburu, take your seat.

Sen. (Dr.) Oburu, as you ooze wisdom, kindly do not belittle the younger ones and kindly proceed to make your comment.

What is your point of order, Sen. Orwoba. Sen. (Dr.) Oburu, take your seat.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Mungatana.

Sen. Githuku, please proceed. (Laughter)

Proceed, Sen. Mungatana.

Sen. Githuku, please proceed.

Tuliona jana katika vyombo vya habari akitishia kupeleka watu mbinguni. Yeye sio Yesu wala mtume. Sisi sote ni wananchi na binadamu wa Kenya. Iwapo kuna mambo yoyote ambayo yanatakiwa kuzungumzwa, yazungumzwe kwa njia ya mijadala(Loud consultations) Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity. I rise to support...

You have made your point, Sen. Kinyua. Sen. Faki, kindly confine yourself---

Kindly desist from taking that line of argument.

Okay. I did not know that some of us fear going to heaven. (Laughter) Bw. Spika, mimi sijatoka nje ya Hoja. Ni jambo ambalo lilikuwa la adhiri na kila mtu aliona. (Applause)

Kindly desist from taking that line of argument.

Okay. I did not know that some of us fear going to heaven. (Laughter)

Sen. Mwaruma, just confine yourself to the Motion before us.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity. I rise to support this Motion. Sen. (Dr.) Oburu has stated that we are supporting this Motion while opposing it. This is further from the truth. We are in support of this Motion. However, we are giving our reservations. We...

Sen. Mwaruma, just confine yourself to the Motion before us.

(Loud consultations) (Loud consultations)

Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Standing Order on misleading the public and the House. It is Standing Order No.105. (Sen. Oketch Gicheru spoke off record)

What is your point of order, Sen. Orwoba?

Under what Standing Order are you on?

Sen. Oketch Gicheru, you are not the Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Finally, whenever there is any dispute or disagreement over any issue of national importance, it is important that the police are restrained. We cannot allow the police to continue butchering citizens of this country, then the leadership of this country stands to praise--- (Sen. Beth...

Sen. Oketch Gicheru, what is your point of order?

Sen. Oketch Gicheru, take your seat. Just yield, please. In the same breath, as you read the Standing Orders, you can only stand on a point of order to call to order a Senator who is contributing. As we speak, Sen. Beth Syengo is on her feet. Unless your point...

Sen. Shakila Abdalla, proceed.

Sen. Munyi Mundigi, proceed.

Hon. Senators, the one hour is long spent. I will, therefore, call upon the Mover to reply. (Hon. Senators consulted loudly)

(Laughter)

Proceed, Sen. Joe Nyutu.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I rise to support the Motion of the formation of a National Dialogue Committee and adoption of the names that have been given. However, I have a rider on the discussions that are going to happen. In this country, one of the things we must...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am actually disappointed because you are being very selective when giving a chance for Members to talk. I am really disappointed.

Proceed, Sen. Mandago.

Sen. Abass there is a dashboard.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for the opportunity. I rise to support the Motion that has been moved by the Senate Majority Leader and seconded by the Senate Minority Leader. When you speak about dialogue, we hear about peace, reconciliation, peace-making and conflict resolution. Far from the fact that we...

Sen. Cherarkey have a seat please. (Sen. Cherarkey took his seat) Sen. Abass, it is the duty of the Speaker to pick who to speak and that cannot be questioned. Proceed.

Hon. Senators, I have 15 more Senators who wish to contribute. We have long surpassed the one-hour mark. The Mover who was supposed to reply donated his reply time to the Senators who I have just allowed to make contribution. I will, therefore, allow the Mover to reply under one...

(Loud consultations) THE PUBLIC FINANCE MANAGEMENT (AMENDMENT) BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO.16 OF 2023) Order, Sen. Cherarkey.

Serjeant-At-Arms, kindly escort the Member out of the Chamber. I order you to leave the Chamber for the remainder of today’s sitting. (Sen. Cherarkey spoke off record) Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly use the necessary force under Standing Order No.126 to get the Senator out. (Sen. Cherarkey was escorted out of the Chamber...

Clerk, do we have quorum? (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted the Speaker) Serjearnt-at-Arms, kindly ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) (Several Senators walked into the Chamber) Serjearnt-at-Arms, I am informed we now have the quorum, so you may stop the Bell. (Loud Consultations) REPORT ON PETITION:...

Next Order. PAPERS LAID Proceed, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale.

Hon. Senators, I wish to rearrange the sequence of today’s Order Paper. If you look at Order No.8; that is a Motion that we need to dispense with today being the last day of our sitting. It is, therefore, a priority. We shall move to prosecute Order No.8. Once we...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale that has already been taken care of. A Member of the Committee is going to move the Motion. [The Speaker (Hon. Kingi) left the Chair] [The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Wakili Sigei) in the Chair]

Clerk, do we have quorum? (The Clerk-at the-Table consulted the Speaker) Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Serjeant-at-Arms, I am informed that we now have quorum. You may stop the Bell. Clerk, proceed to call the first Order. COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR...

Next Order. MESSAGE FROM NYANDARUA COUNTY ASSEMBLY CONSULTATION WITH GOVERNMENT AGENCIES ON THE GAZETTEMENT OF LAKE OL’BOLOSSAT AS A NATIONAL RESERVE Hon. Senators, I wish to report to the Senate that pursuant to Standing Order No.8 (3) and (4) , I have received a Message from the Speaker of Nyandarua...

Proceed, Sen. Okenyuri.

What is it about? Certainly, you cannot rise on a point of order, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale. Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, let me help you out. Do you want to make an intervention so that you get some clarification?

INTERNATIONAL YOUTH DAY

We are now on Statements pursuant to Standing Order No. 53 (1) . Hon. Sen. Omogeni proceed. LEARNER CAPITATION FOR NATIONAL SECONDARY SCHOOLS

Sen. Munyi Mundigis’ Statement is deferred. The Senator has informed me that he will not be in the House today. WELLBEING OF TEACHERS POST-RETIREMENT BARABARA ZINAZOMILIKIWA NA MAMLAKA YA KURA KATIKA KAUNTI YA MOMBASA

Sen. Ogola, proceed. HIGH RATE OF TEENAGE PREGNANCIES IN HOMA BAY COUNTY

Sen. Chimera proceed. STATUS OF RECRUITMENT OF THE DIRECTOR-GENERAL OF CAK

Sen. Kibwana proceed. ALLEGED DISCRIMINATORY EMPLOYMENT OF HEALTHCARE WORKERS IN COUNTIES Sen. Cherarkey, proceed. ALLEGED MALPRACTICES AND EXPLOITATION BY WATU CREDIT

Sen. Osotsi, proceed. STATUS OF PENDING BILLS IN VIHIGA COUNTY

Hon. Senators, kindly put your phones on silent mode so that you do not disrupt debate. I will allow limited comments on these Statements for not more than 18 minutes meaning, we will have three Members from the Minority side and three from the Majority side each speaking for three...

Majority Leader, you should lead by example. (Laughter)

Clerk, keep the timing at three minutes, please. Sen. Olekina, please proceed.

Majority Leader, let me guide you. The comments you are supposed to make should be attributable to the Statement made pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) not the Statement made pursuant to Standing Order No.52 (1) . This is why when Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale veered off to make his comments...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, proceed to the bar, bow and take your seat and proceed to comment on these Statements. Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale walked to the Bar, bowed to the Chair and walked into the Chamber)

We have expended the 18 minutes that we had allocated to this. Next Order. (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted the Speaker) There is a Statement pursuant to Standing Order No.56 (1) . However, hon. Senators, we have a Division in the form of Order No.11. I am informed that we have the...

The Chairperson, Sessional Committee of Delegated legislation, you may have the Floor. ACTIVITIES OF THE SESSIONAL COMMITTEE ON DELEGATED LEGISLATION

Let us see how it goes. Proceed, Sen. Oketch Gicheru. You have three minutes.

Your time is up. Sen. Cherarkey, you may proceed.

Your time is up. Sen. Mwaruma, you may proceed.

Senator, your time is up. Proceed Sen. Seki.

Proceed, Sen. Tom Odhiambo Ojienda.

Proceed, Sen. Kisang.

Sen. Kavindu Muthama.

Sen. Abbas, proceed.

Hon. Senators, before we move to the next Order, I would like to acknowledge the presence in the Public Gallery this afternoon, of visiting teachers and students from Majani Mingi Secondary School. The group comprises six teachers and 41 students who are in the Senate for a one- day academic...

Next Order. THE MATERNAL, NEW BORN AND CHILD HEALTH BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.17 OF 2023) THE COUNTY HALL OF FAME BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.18 OF 2023) THE RICE BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.19 OF 2023) Next Order. Second Reading THE PUBLIC FINANCE MANAGEMENT (AMENDMENT) BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO.16 OF 2023)...

Clerk, do we have quorum? (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted with the Speaker) We have quorum. Kindly proceed to call the first Order. PUBLIC MONEY ALLEGEDLY STOLEN THROUGH THE SGR PROJECT Proceed, Sen. Okiya Omtatah. Any Senator holding brief for the hon. Senator? Secretariat, this is the second time this Petition is...

Sen. Cheruiyot, please, proceed.

Sen. (Prof.) Tom Odhiambo Ojienda SC, please, proceed.

Sen. Mungatana, please, proceed.

Proceed, Sen. Dullo.

Proceed, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale.

Proceed, Sen. Onyonka.

What is your point of order, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale.

Order, Senators. Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, kindly take your seat. Sen. Onyonka, proceed to conclude your comments.

What is your point of order? (Sen. Cherarkey stood in his place) Just take your seat, Sen. Cherarkey. (Sen. Sifuna spoke off record) Sen. Sifuna, please, there is only one Chair, and I am the Chair. Sen. Cherarkey, proceed to make your comments on the Petition.

Hon. Senators, we have expended the time allowable for comments on this Petition. (The Petition was committed to the relevant Committee) Before I call on the Chairperson of the Committee on Education, allow me to make the following Communication. (Interruption of debate on Petitions) COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR VISITING DELEGATION...

The Chairperson Standing Committee on Education can now present their Report. The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Madzayo) : On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I beg to lay the following Petition Report on the Table of the Senate, today, 3rd August, 2023: Report of the Committee on Education on the Petition concerning payment of pension to teachers who retired between 1997 and 2007. REPORT ON PETITION: DELAY IN PAYMENT...

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. PAPERS LAID

Mr. Speaker Sir, I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table of the Senate, today, 3rd August, 2023: Kabeere Springs Catchment Protection Area Order, Legal Notice No.104 of 2023. Kajulu Hills Catchment Protection Area Order, Legal Notice No.105 of 2023 Manguo Swamp Groundwater Conservation Area Order, Legal Notice...

Hon. Senators, before we prosecute that Order, pursuant to Standing Order No.45 (2) , I wish to move to rearrange the sequence of today’s Order Paper. If you look at today’s Order Paper, Order No.9 and 11 are very urgent. We need to pass this Motion and also push Order...

Just proceed and stay focused.

Sen. Cherarkey, approach the Chair. (Sen. Cherarkey approached the Chair) I called the Senator because he had an assignment to do and he was supposed to table a report, which he has just informed me that he did. Proceed, Sen. Sifuna.

Sen. Tobiko and Sen. Okenyuri, you can consult but not to disrupt the proceedings of the House.

What is your point of order, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale?

(Loud consultation)

What is your point of order, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale?

So, there was concurrence of the figure between the two Houses which is factual. I do not see why there is a big problem there.The two Houses concurred that the figure be increased by Kshs15 billion from last year's allocation. Where is the problem here?Sen. Sifuna, please, proceed. So, there...

What is your point of order, Sen. Cherarkey? As you raise your point of order, please---

Sen. Cherarkey, I am speaking. As you stand to raise your point of order, make sure you use parliamentary language. Please, proceed.

Hon. Senators, let us stop this henpecking exercise on these figures. This is the position, the Bill that went to the President for assent is a Bill of Parliament. This is because it was processed in both Houses of Parliament. Upon being assented to, it became an Act of Parliament....

Sen. Sifuna, are you saying that, if the Chair is uncomfortable with those facts, then he should---

Sen. Sifuna, just stick to your comments. (Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale and Sen. Cherarkey consulted loudly) Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale and Sen. Cherarkey, allow Sen. Sifuna to conclude his comments.

Which one? (Loud Consultations)

I know exactly what you said. Sen. Sifuna, going forward, refrain from using unparliamentary language.

Sen. Cherarkey, can Sen. Sifuna be heard in silence? Proceed, Sen. Sifuna.

Sen. Cherarkey, you have raised you concern. Sen. Sifuna, our Standing Orders provide very clearly on how you should refer to your colleagues. You refer to them as hon. Senators. There are no people or guys here. We have hon. Senators.

Order, Senators! Sen. Sifuna, take your seat. You are not going to start a debate with the Chair. You know exactly what that amounts to; it amounts to disorderly conduct and the consequences are very clear. You are a person and a people. However, that is a language allowable outside...

What is your point of order, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale?

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, as I withdraw and apologise to the House, I want to confirm that this is not the place to fix him. I would never fix him in this House. However, if he gives me an opportunity to fix him outside---We cannot allow small boys--- (Laughter)

No. Mr Speaker, Sir, you must--- (Loud consultations)

Sen. Omogeni, shut up. The Chair is speaking. I have not given you the opportunity to speak.

Sen. Omogeni, you are out of order. I am calling you to order.

Then wait for the Chair to give you that opportunity. (Sen. Cherarkey spoke off record)

Sen. Omogeni, if you persist, you know exactly what will befall you. Hon. Senators, we have such an important matter before us. We are taking a lot of time on frivolous points of order. Sen. Sifuna, the way you are making your comments; you are inviting unnecessary points of order....

Sen. Sifuna, would you wish to be informed by Sen. Cherarkey?

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. (Applause)

What is your point of Order, Sen. Omogeni?

Sen. Omogeni, who are you trying to call to order? The Senator on the Floor is Sen. Sifuna. Is that the Senator you are calling to order? Is Sen. Sifuna out of order according to you?

Mr. Speaker, Sir, with great respect, I believe I am going to break the record as the Senator who is interrupted the most on this Floor. I understand the fear and trepidation that I instill in a strike in some of these people. (Loud consultations)

Sen. Sifuna, proceed to make your comments.

I have protected you enough. If you engage the Chair directly--- I have called you to conclude your comments, what more protection do you need from the Chair?

Proceed. The Chair will protect you.

(Laughter)(Laughter) (Loud consultations) I believe that is enough to impart wisdom and knowledge. (Laughter) (Laughter) (Loud consultations) have been--- I ruled that particular statement unparliamentary but still, you are clinging on it. have been--- I ruled that particular statement unparliamentary but still, you are clinging on it.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, if you allow me, because I have asked you to protect me on many occasions, I ask that on this one, please do not protect me. I would want to welcome that challenge that has been put in by the Senator of Kakamega County. (Laughter)

Sen. Sifuna, you have alluded to the fact that you are the Senator who attracts the most points of orders. Remember when you were contributing, I cautioned you that the way you are contributing may either open yourself to these points of order or you may insulate yourself from them....

Sen. Thang’wa, please, have your seat. I am told there is a school that is going all the way back to Baringo County. Let me acknowledge its presence. (Interruption of debate on the Motion) VISITING DELEGATION FROM JUNIORMAX ACADEMY MUCHUKWO, BARINGO COUNTY (Applause) VISITING DELEGATION FROM CHEBONEI GIRLS HIGH SCHOOL,...

Sen. Thang’wa, proceed.

What is your point of order, Sen. Olekina?

What Standing Order are you referring to?

Sen. Thang’wa, just take your seat. Let me get this over and done with. The point of order raised by Sen. Olekina is as follows and it is not a point of order really directed to the Senator who was on his feet. The Senator for Kiambu while commenting said...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, the framers of the Constitution established three arms of Government to allow separation of powers and to be able to institute checks and balances. This House passed the County Allocation of Revenue Bill, 2023 (CARB) , which was later assented into an Act of Parliament - CARA....

You can do that by way of seeking a Statement from the National Treasury why it released the money before the Senate debated the disbursement schedule. That cannot be handled by the Senator for Kiambu.It is so directed. Proceed, Senator for Kiambu. You can do that by way of seeking...

Sen. Omogeni, what is your point of order? Before you make your point of order, I will refer you to Standing Order Nos.121 and 122 on a matter where the Chair has pronounced itself. You cannot debate the directive of the Chair. If you do, you will be deemed disorderly...

Sen. Kinyua, you are out of order.

Order, Senators.

Order, Sen. Omogeni.

This is a matter that I have already ruled on. Sen. Thang’wa, proceed to conclude your comments. An. hon. Senator: Yes. This is a matter that I have already ruled on. Sen. Thang’wa, proceed to conclude your comments.

What is your matter of procedure?

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, we are past that.

This House is not being controlled by anybody other than the Chair.

Therefore, kindly take your seat. That matter rests there. (Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale sat at his place) Senator for Kiambu, proceed to conclude your comments.

Sen. Kinyua, that is not a point of order. Kindly have your seat. Honestly, that is not information to aid the Senator for Kiambu in making his comments. Sen. Thangw’a, proceed to conclude your comments.

Sen. Kinyua, that is not a point of order. Kindly have your seat. Honestly, that is not information to aid the Senator for Kiambu in making his comments. Sen. Thangw’a, proceed to conclude your comments.

Clerk, do we have quorum? (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted with the Speaker) We have quorum. Proceed and read the first Order. Clerk, you need to confirm whether the Cabinet Secretaries listed for purposes of responding to Questions are present, so that we can start the Session of the day. (The Clerk-at-the-Table...

Hon. Cabinet Secretary, kindly proceed to answer the Question. I have a copy of your response and it is pretty bulky. I advise you to go straight to respond to the specific Questions and then you can use the other material contained in your response as your reference notes. Please...

Proceed, Sen. Okenyuri.

Proceed, Hon. Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Environment, Climate Change and Forestry (Hon. Soipan Tuya) : Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. In response to the question from Sen. Okenyuri, we recognize the status of our natural resources in the country at the moment. We have rampant destruction, illegalities happening...

The Hon. Cabinet Secretary, you may proceed to respond. The Cabinet Secretary for Environment Climate Change and Forestry (Hon. Soipan Tuya) : Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Again, the question by Sen. Cheruiyot as a follow-up to that one by Sen. Okenyuri. I know I am giving a very global...

Hon. Cabinet Secretary, you may respond. The Cabinet Secretary for Environment Climate Change and Forestry (Hon. Soipan Tuya): Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Mheshimiwa Sen. Mungatana, allow me to respond in English because I do not know what Mathomba-bruk is in Kiswahili. It is the name of a place. The...

Proceed, Hon. Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary, Ministry of Environment and Forestry (Hon. Soipan Tuya): Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir and Hon. Senator for your question. Yes, schools are one of the major stakeholders in the tree growing initiative. That is where we have free labour from our children; not...

Hon. Cabinet Secretary, please proceed. The Cabinet Secretary for Environment, Climate Change and Forestry (Hon. Soipan Tuya) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, the tree growing initiative is broad and wide beyond the schools programme. I would like to inform the Senate that we have a very elaborate strategy which is targeting...

Waziri, tafadhali jibu swali hilo. The Cabinet Secretary, Ministry of Environment, Climate Change and Forestry (Hon. Soipan Tuya) : Asante sana, Bw. Spika. Mhe. Seneta, nilipokea salamu zenu kupitia kwa Katibu Mkuu. Kuna mpangilio wa kununua miche wala sio tu mikoko pekee kwa sababu kuna miche mingi ambayo inakuzwa na...

Sen. Cheptumo, proceed.

Proceed, Hon. Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Environment, Climate Change and Forestry (Hon. Soipan Tuya) : Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I will need time, the Senator of Baringo County, to be able to issue a substantive response to this. Proceed, Sen. Abass.

Proceed, Hon. Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Environment, Climate Change and Forestry (Hon. Soipan Tuya) : Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir and Sen. Abass. Indeed, the ASALs potent the highest opportunity for our tree growing initiative to succeed. This is where we have the land available in large sizes.Therefore,...

No. Senator, you can only ask one Question. Hon. Cabinet Secretary, proceed to respond to that question. The Cabinet Secretary for Environment, Climate Change and Forestry (Hon. Soipan Tuya) : Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir and the hon. Senator. With the lift of the ban on logging, where we are...

Proceed, hon. CS. The Cabinet Secretary for Water, Sanitation and Irrigation (Hon. Alice Wahome) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, I thank you for this opportunity to attend to the Question by the Senator for Kirinyaga, Sen. (Dr.) Murango. I also thank the House for continuing to support our work. This is...

Sen. Cheptumo, you may have the Floor. Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I wish to thank the Cabinet Secretary. When the CS and I we were together in the National Assembly, I was the Chairperson Justice, Legal Affairs and Human Rights and she was my very able Vice- Chairperson. Things...

Hon. Cabinet Secretary, you may respond. The Cabinet Secretary for Water, Sanitation and Irrigation (Hon. Alice Wahome) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, yes, it is true that the Senator for Baringo, Sen. Cheptumo, was my very able Chairperson. We did a lot of good work in the Justice, Legal Affairs and...

Madam Cabinet Secretary, you may respond. The Cabinet Secretary for Water, Sanitation and Irrigation (Hon. Alice Wahome) : Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. So far, I have had meetings with the entire Embu County and Tharaka Nithi leadership. However, I have not had the opportunity to have a meeting with...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, in our Standing Orders, every person is supposed to address you. I do not why Sen. Gataya Mo Fire is addressing the Cabinet Secretary instead of addressing you.

Hon. Senator, kindly take your seat and allow the honorable Cabinet Secretary to respond to your Question. The Cabinet Secretary for Water, Sanitation and Irrigation (Hon. Alice Wahome) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am corrected; he is the Senator for Tharaka Nithi County. Hon. Senator, kindly take your seat and...

Thank you, Honourable Cabinet Secretary. Let us have two supplementary questions. The first one is from Sen. Kinyua of Laikipia County.

Clerk, do we have quorum? (The Clerk-at the-Table consulted the Speaker) Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Serjeant-at-Arms, I am informed that we do have quorum now. Kindly stop the Bell. Clerk, call the first Order, please. ALLEGED PUBLIC MONEY STOLEN THROUGH...

Sen. Kibwana has three Statements. Sen. Kibwana, proceed to present your three Statements. STATUS OF MEDICAL CARE AT MATHARI MENTAL HOSPITAL

Proceed, Sen. Mwaruma. MINING IN KISHUSHE AREA OF TAITA TAVETA COUNTY

There is a Statement that we had dropped earlier by Sen. Chimera. Sen. Chimera has since approached the Chair and explained the reason why he was not in the Chamber when the Statement was called out. He had a very valid reason. Therefore, I will allow the hon. Senator to...

Hon. Senators, I will allow limited comments on these Statements that have been made pursuant to Standing Order No. 53 (1) . Hon. Sen. Wambua, you may proceed.

Sen. Kinyua.

Sen. Madzayo, you may proceed. The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Madzayo) : Asante, Bw. Spika. Nampa

On a point of order Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Bw. Spika, huyu Kiongozi wa Walio Wachache ametaja jambo la huko Meru akisema kuwa hospitali ya wale watu walio na akili punguani ipelekwe huko. Najua anajua Meru vizuri. Visa vya watu walio na akili punguani ni vidogo sana huko Meru. Kwa hivyo, sioni kama ni vizuri vile umepeana mfano wa...

Sen. Cheptumo, you may proceed.

Asante Bw. Spika. Ningependa kuchangia hili jambo ambalo Seneta kutoka kaunti ya Migori amechangia. Ninawasihi ndugu zangu wanaokaa kwenye Kamati ya Ardhi, Mazingira na Maliasili itakayoshughulikia hili jambo la mazingira ya Ziwa Victoria, --- Shida nyingi tulizo nazo sasa, zinahusu kuzingatia oboreshaji wa mazingira na kuhakikisha mito yetu ina maji....

Proceed, Sen. (Dr) Oburu.

Proceed, Sen. Faki.

Before we move to Statements pursuant to Standing Order No.56 (1) , allow me to make the following Communication. (Interruption of Statements) MISSING LINK IN THE LIST OF KDF RECRUITMENT CENTRES IN KITUI COUNTY

What is your point of order, Sen. Madzayo? The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Madzayo) : Asante Bw. Spika. Kwa Hoja ya Nidhamu, ukiangalia tabia za wale Maseneta wengine walio hapa ni vizuri kutimiza zile Kanuni za Kudumu. Sen. Orwoba ametoka upande ule akafika hapa katikati na kupita badala ya kwenda...

Chairperson of the Standing Committee on Trade, Industrialization and Tourism, you may proceed. ACTIVITIES OF THE STANDING COMMITTEE ON TRADE, INDUSTRIALIZATION AND TOURISM

What is your point of order, Sen. Madzayo? The Senate Minority Leader (

Sen. Miraj and Sen. Orwoba, you have now come of age. We have taken you through a lot of training and teachings on the Standing Orders. You now know how to conduct yourselves when you are in this Chamber. At this juncture any breach of the Standing Order will be...

Hon. Chair, you have one minute to go.

Hon. Chair, I am going to allow you an extra meeting to conclude.

Accounting Officer during the financial year of an entity appearing before the Committee.Whereas Standing Order No.219 allows a Senator to attend the meeting of any select committee, the Committee observed that the principle of “nemo judex in causa sua” required that “no one should be a judge in their own...

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for this opportunity. The Committee system is an efficient way of processing matters in any Parliament. As you have seen, Committees have done a commendable job. I have been listening keenly to the reports presented by chairpersons. Clearly, a lot is happening within the Committees....

behalf of the Senate representing the Road, Transportation, and Housing Committee,’ what questions will you be asked?Out of five questions that the members of the public will ask you is what is likely to take a center stage? I think any public meeting today on transport-related issues will not end....

Clerk, do we have quorum? (The Clerk-at the-Table consulted the Speaker) Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) I am informed that we now have quorum. Clerk, proceed to call the first Order. PAPER LAID REPORT OF THE SECOND ORDINARY SESSION OF THE...

Next Order. NOTICE OF MOTION ADOPTION OF REPORT OF THE SECOND ORDINARY SESSION OF THE SIXTH PAP

Next Order. QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS STATEMENTS Since Sen. Lemaletian is not here, the Statement pursuant to Standing Order No.52 (1) is deferred. INCESSANT SUPPRESSION AND CLAWBACK OF DEMOCRACY IN KENYA STATUS OF THE UHC IN THE COUNTRY

Next is Sen. Faki. KUZOROTA KWA MIUNDOMBINU NA HUDUMA KATIKA BIMA TOWERS, KAUNTI YA MOMBASA

Next is Sen. Mwaruma. Since he is not here, that Statement is dropped. MINING IN KISHUSHE AREA OF TAITA-TAVETA COUNTY the next Statement is by Sen. Chute. Since he is not here, that Statement is dropped. STATUS OF ELECTRICITY CONNECTION IN MARSABIT COUNTY The next one is the Statement by...

Okay The Chairperson Senate Standing Committee on Land, Environmental and Natural Resources, Sen. Methu, you may proceed. ACTIVITIES OF THE STANDING COMMITTEE ON LAND, ENVIRONMENT AND NATURAL RESOURCES

The Chairperson, Standing Committee on National Cohesion, Equal Opportunity and Regional Integration, proceed. ACTIVITIES OF THE STANDING COMMITTEE ON NATIONAL COHESION, EQUAL OPPORTUNITY AND REGIONAL INTEGRATION

Hon. Senators, before I allow the next Chairperson to make his Statement, I have the following communication to make. COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR VISITING DELEGATION FROM MOODY AWORI PRIMARY SCHOOL

The Chairperson Committee on National Security, Defence and Foreign Relations, please, proceed. (Resumption of debate on Statements) ACTIVITIES OF THE STANDING COMMITTEE ON NATIONAL SECURITY, DEFENCE AND FOREIGN RELATIONS

Sen. Korir and team. The Majority Leader and team – Sen. Cheptumo, the Chair is speaking to protect you. Sen. Korir, Majority Leader and the Minority Whip, please, consult in low tones.

I will allow 15 minutes for hon. Senators to make comments on the four Statements that have been given by the chairpersons of those committees. I will start with Sen. Cherarkey. Please, do not take the entire 15 minutes. You have colleagues who would wish to speak to this.

What is your point of order, Sen. Oketch Gicheru? After you have stated your point of order, we will have about two minutes to go.

Sen. Cherarkey, please stick to the subject matter before us. Avoid throwing figures that you cannot put into context. If you still stand by that statement, I will ask you to proceed to substantiate. If not, you withdraw and proceed.

I think the matter raised by Sen. Cherarkey is a matter that we engaged on last week. However, an observation was made by the Senate Majority Leader on how we can give more life to the reports by Chairperson of Standing Committees. Perhaps, the Chairperson making the reports today have...

Thank you. Chairpersons of Standing Committees, kindly take note of the concerns as given by Sen. Crystal Asige. I am afraid we have expended the time given. Looking at the business that is before us, we have five Divisions to undertake. I am informed by both Whips that we are...

Kakamega County; Sen. Kisang, Elgeyo Marakwet County; Sen. (Dr.) Lelegwe Ltumbesi, Samburu County; Sen. M. Kajwang’, Homa Bay County; Sen. Madzayo, Kilifi County; Sen. Methu, Nyandarua County; Sen. Mungatana, MGH, Tana River County; Sen. Munyi Mundigi, Embu County; Sen. Murgor, West Pokot County; Sen. (Dr.) Oburu, Siaya County; Sen. Oketch...

Clerk, do we have quorum? (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted with the Speaker) Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Serjeant-at-Arms, I am informed that we now have the quorum. So, kindly stop the Bell. Clerk, proceed to call the first Order. (Several Senators walked...

Yes, it applies for the term of your office. ALLEGED DISCRIMINATION TO TEACHERS IN KILIFI COUNTY BY TSC Hon. Senators, I hereby report to the Senate that a Petition has been submitted to the Senate by teachers who are members of the Kenya Union of Post Primary Education Teachers (KUPPET)...

Sen. Madzayo, you have the Floor. The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Madzayo) : Asante Bw. Spika. Kwanza,

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Having worked in Kilifi as a doctor, I would be failing if I do not stand in this House--- (Sen. Madzayo, Sen. Tabitha Mutinda and Sen. Methu consulted loudly)

Sen. Madzayo, Sen. Tabitha Mutinda and Sen. Methu, I call you to order.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir for saving us from Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale. The matter raised by teachers from Kilifi County is important and weighty. I have listened carefully to what the Senate Majority Leader had to say about the payment of hardship allowances to teachers. I would like to implore...

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir for giving me the opportunity to comment on this Petition. I would be betraying the teachers from Kilifi County if I choose to keep quiet. I have been a resident of the county so I know the areas that have been mentioned in that Petition....

Hon. Senators, I am afraid we have expended the 30 minutes allowable under Standing Order No. 237. Therefore, pursuant to Standing Order No. 238 (1) the Petition should be committed to the relevant standing Committee for its consideration. In this case, I direct that the same be committed to the...

Next order. NOTICES OF MOTIONS EXTENSION OF MANDATE OF THE AD HOC COMMITTEE ON PROLIFERATION OF RELIGIOUS ORGANISATIONS

Sen. Ali Roba, please proceed. APPROVAL OF THE COUNTY GOVERNMENTS EQUITABLE SHARE CASH DISBURSEMENT SCHEDULE FOR FY 2023/2024

Next order. QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS STATEMENTS MINING IN KISHUSHE AREA, TAITA TAVETA COUNTY

Sen. Ogola, please proceed. GENDER-BASED VIOLENCE IN HOMA BAY COUNTY

Sen. Methu, please proceed to read the Statement on behalf of Sen. Kinyua. Next time be alert. STATE OF LEARNING AT NGIRORITI PRIMARY SCHOOL

Sen. Madzayo, proceed. WITHDRAWAL OF SECURITY DETAIL ATTACHED TO AZIMIO-ONE KENYA ALLIANCE LEADERS

Sen. Mandago, what is your point of Order?

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Let me complete.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, we get a bit concerned with the references of ‘Opposition’ and ‘Government.’ As a leader of this House, you are aware that I drive in a Government of Kenya (GK) vehicle. (Applause)(Laughter) (Applause) (Laughter) Order, Senators! I did not know that Sen. Sifuna is in Government. That...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.105. I wanted to know whether my good friend, Sen. Cherarkey – although sometimes emotive – is in order to point at me and say that during the time of President Uhuru Kenyatta or whoever was in the Government denied some...

Yes.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am aware Sen. Oketch Gicheru was thrashed at that time by the current Governor of Migori then, Sen. (Dr.) Ochillo-Ayacko. Sen. Oketch Gicheru did not make it at that time. However, I have not mentioned names. The HANSARD can bear me witness. Finally, you cannot say...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, from my perspective of the doctrine of separation of powers, we have a Constitution that created three Arms of Government. In my understanding of this particular doctrine, there is no Arm of Government that is superior to the other. In fact, all of us in this House...

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity. I support what Senators of the Minority side are saying. I can imagine how they are feeling without their security. However, they know the solution. We have a Cabinet Secretary for Interior and National Administration, who is understanding. They just...

An (Laughter)

Najua. Naomba unipe nafasi

Sen. Madzayo, I have been attentive. Just--- The Senate Minority Leader (

Under what Standing Order is your point of order premised? The Senate Minority Leader (

Sen. Madzayo, I asked you to state the Standing Order upon which you are raising your point of order and you have said Standing Order No.1. Standing Order No.1 is not available to you. Sen. Tabitha Keroche, proceed, to conclude your statement. Senator for Kilifi, please take your seat. (Sen....

Bw. Spika, si vizuri kunyang’anywa mlinzi lakini ningependa kukumbusha Seneti hii kwamba kulikwa na maandamano Tarehe 7, Julai,

Sen. Oketch Gicheru, that is her opinion. As you are aware, this matter is going to be committed to a committee. I therefore overrule that order. Sen. Tabitha Keroche, proceed to conclude your statement.

Proceed, Sen. Omogeni.

Haki zetu zinakuja na majukumu. Tuwe tayari kujukumika katika kila haki ambayo tumeitisha katika hii Taifa. Nimesikia kwa muda mrefu, upande wa Walio Wachache wakililia haki. Tutambue ya kwamba, pale ambapo haki yako inakoma ndipo haki ya mwingine inaanzia. Kuna Wakenya watulivu ambao hawakutaka kuhusishwa na maandamano. Hata huyu mlinzi...

Proceed, Sen. M. Kajwang’.

Proceed, Sen. Miraj.

Sen. Miraj, you are out of order.

(Loud consultations)

Mr. Speaker, Sir, it is a privilege for all senators to have their security. It is very sad that our Members who are representatives of the people, some of them elected, can stand on the Floor of the House and celebrate when their leaders are saying that the police did...

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I take this opportunity to recognize the presence of pupils from Olkiramatian Primary School, which is in Magadi Ward, Kajiado West Sub County. I congratulate and welcome them to the Senate. Your Senator is Lenku Kanar Seki for those who are not aware. This is...

Order, Sen. Cherargei. May the good Senator be heard in silence, please.

Order, hon. Senators. Sen. Cherargei, can the hon. Senator be allowed to conclude his comments please. Hon Senators, before we move to the Statements pursuant to Standing Order No. 56 (1) , I have the following Communication to make. COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE CHAIR VISITING DELEGATION FROM OLKIRAMATIAN PRIMARY SCHOOL, KAJIADO...

In keeping with the tradition that we have always set, I will allow Sen. Wakili Sigei to welcome the delegation from Bomet.

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. You may not be able to see them. They look so beautiful. (The students in the Public Gallery were projected on the screens) Yes! You can now see them. I wish to welcome the students from Kajiado to this House. I wish to encourage you...

Clerk, do we have quorum? (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted the Speaker) Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) I am informed that we now have the requisite quorum. Clerk, kindly proceed to call the first Order. COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR VISITING DELEGATION FROM THE...

Next Order, Clerk. QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS Hon. Senators, we had lined up three Cabinet Secretaries for purposes of responding to questions from Senators. During the Senate Business Committee (SBC) meeting yesterday, we received a letter from the Cabinet Secretary in charge of Labour and Social Protection indicating that he will...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale.

Sen. Kavindu Muthama, you may proceed.

Sen. Mutinda, proceed.

Proceed, Sen. (Prof.) Kamar.

Proceed Sen. Cheptumo

Sen. Wakili Sigei, proceed.

Proceed, Sen. Oketch Gicheru. You can contribute while seated.

Proceed, Sen. Wamatinga.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for allowing me to contribute to this conversation. I think what is happening is affirming the need for the Senate to fight for its independence so that it can move as itself not because there is a trigger from the Executive. The Wednesday morning sessions...

Asante, Bw. Spika, kwa nafasi hii. Jambo tunayozungumzia sasa inaweka Mawaziri katikati ya jiwe na pahali pagumu. Yule ambaye aliwateua na anawaamini kwa uchapakazi na uadhilifu wao ameona kwa hekima yake kuwapa nafasi kusafiri naye katika nchi za ng’ambo kutetea nafasi na hadhi ya nchi ya Kenya na mustakabadhi wa...

Very well. Next order. INCORPORATION OF INTELLIGENT WATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS IN BUILDING PLANS FOR SUSTAINABLE LIVING

Hon. Senators, pursuant to Standing Order No.84 (1) I proceed to make a determination that this matter does not affect counties and, therefore, voting shall be by voice. I will proceed to put the question. (Question put and agreed to) Next order. ACCELERATING THE IMPLEMENTATION OF SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT GOALS

Do we have quorum? (The Clerk-at the-Table consulted the Speaker) Clerk, proceed to call the first Order. COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR SUSPENSION OF SEN. SIFUNA FROM THE CHAMBER Before the Senate Majority Leader lays the Papers, allow me to make the following Communication. Hon. Senators, yesterday I did make a...

Next Order, clerk. QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS STATEMENTS POLLUTION IN LAKE VICTORIA SEXUAL EXPLOITATION OF MINORS ONLINE ALLEGED MEDICAL NEGLIGENCE AT KIAMBU COUNTY REFERRAL HOSPITAL STATUS OF MEDICAL CARE AT MATHARI MENTAL HOSPITAL CONGRATULATIONS TO FAITH KIPYEGON FOR BREAKING THE 5000 METERS WORLD RECORD

Proceed with Statement pursuant to Standing order 56 (1) (b) . The Chairperson Standing Committee on Energy to make a Statement relating to the activities of the Committee.

In that case, I will allow limited intervention, pursuant to Standing Order No. (1) . I will allow three from the Government side and three from the Opposition side. (Applause)

Proceed Senator, to conclude your remarks.

What is your point of order. Sen. Kathuri?

Sen. Cheruiyot, kindly focus on the subject matter.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, you may have the Floor.

I had hoped that you will proceed with that line of contribution. Sen. Omogeni.

Sen. Wafula.

Senate Majority Leader, what is your point of order?

Kiongozi wa Walio Wengi, katika lugha ya Kiswahili, kuna sehemu inaitwa fasihi na unaweza kulinganisha ili kupata ufahamu zaidi. Nafikiri hivyo ndivyo, Sen. Wafula, amefanya. Hakumuita mnyama wa matembezi ya usiku. La! Hasha! Kwa hivyo, sidhani kwamba ameenda kinyume na Kanuni Zetu za Kudumu za Bunge. Sen. Wafula, unaweza kuendelea.

Proceed, Sen. Kisang.

Sen. Cheptumo?

Let us now move to Statements pursuant to Standing Order No.56 (1) . Chairperson of the Committee on Energy, kindly proceed. ACTIVITIES OF THE STANDING COMMITTEE ON ENERGY

The Chairperson, Senate Standing Committee on Finance and Budget, or any Member of the Committee. ACTIVITIES OF THE STANDING COMMITTEE ON FINANCE AND BUDGET We defer that Statement. (Statement deferred) The Chairperson, Standing Committee on Health, you may proceed. Yes, Hon. Sen. Omar, you may proceed. What is it, Sen....

Let us cross the bridge when we get there. ACTIVITIES OF THE STANDING COMMITTEE ON HEALTH

The Chairperson Standing Committee on Finance and Budget, please, proceed. ACTIVITIES OF THE STANDING COMMITTEE ON FINANCE AND BUDGET

Before I allow the Clerk to call the next Order, Pursuant to Standing Order No.45 (2) , I will proceed to rearrange the sequence of today’s Order Paper. We will defer Order Nos.8 to 14 and proceed from Order No.15 onwards. THE KONZA TECHNOPOLIS BILL (SENATE BILLS NO. 2 OF...

Sen. Cheruiyot, you cannot stand on a point of order on that particular matter. Who do you want to call to order? Is it the Chair? Before the Clerk-at-the-Table calls the next order, I will allow limited intervention of these three Statements. I will start with the Statement by Sen....

Sen. Ali Roba, proceed. (Sen. Ali Roba walked to the Dispatch Box and consulted the Clerk-at-the-Table) Sen. Ali Roba, I hope you do not intend to go through the Report. Proceed.

Sen. Cheruiyot, proceed.

Sen. Cheruiyot, I have understood you as trying to push the Committees to try and go beyond what is demanded of them under Standing Order No.56 (2) , which speaks on areas that Committees are supposed to report. I think that is where Sen. Cherarkey came in and said that,...

Proceed, Sen. Mandago.

Clerk, do we have quorum? (The Clerk-at the-Table consulted the Speaker) Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Serjeant-at-Arms, I am informed that we now have quorum. So, you may stop the Bell. Clerk, proceed to call the first Order. PAPER LAID The...

Next Order. QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS STATEMENTS Statements pursuant to Standing Order No. 53 (1) . Is anybody holding brief for Sen. Faki? That Statement is dropped. KUZOROTA KWA MIUNDOMBINU NA HUDUMA KATIKA BIMA TOWERS MOMBASA ALLEGED BREACH OF CUSTOMER DATA AT THE NAIVAS SUPERMARKET ACTIVITIES OF THE STANDING COMMITTEE ON...

I will allow the Vice-Chairperson, Standing Committee on Agriculture, Livestock and Fisheries to proceed to make his Statement. Sen. Munyi Mundigi, where were you when I called you out for this Statement?

Proceed. ACTIVITIES OF THE STANDING COMMITTEES ON AGRICULTURE, LIVESTOCK AND FISHERIES

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.56 (1) (b) to make a Statement relating to the activities of the Standing Committee on Education for the period between 1st April 2023, to 30th June, 2023. The Standing Committee on Education is established under Standing Order No.228 (3) of...

Hon. Senators, I will allow limited interventions on these three Statements under Standing Order No.56. I will allow two Senators; one from the Opposition and one from the Government side. Each will speak for not more than three minutes. Sen. Wambua, please, proceed.

(Laughter)

Senator, I am sorry but your time is up. Before I allow the Clerk to call the next Order, allow me to make the following communications. COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE CHAIR VISITING DELEGATION FROM NGURUKI DAY SECONDARY SCHOOL, THARAKA NITHI COUNTY Hon. Senators, in the Public Gallery this afternoon, we have...

Deputy Speaker, please, proceed.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, on the second issue, regarding what I said on the Floor of the House about the Sondu border---

Sen. Cherarkey, start with the one by Sen. Wafula.

I am afraid the Standing Orders talk about the subsequent sitting. You either substantiate now or proceed to withdraw and apologise.

Sen. Cherarkey, you have discharged your duty, kindly proceed to take your seat.

(Laughter)

Let the Senator be heard in silence. Proceed, Sen. Beth Syengo.

Senator, proceed to substantiate or withdraw and apologise.

Proceed with the second limb of the challenge. You were challenged again by

Hon. Senators, the matter of dress code of Senators has surfaced a number of times in the short stint of the 13th Parliament, warranting my hand to render a well- reasoned, considered and final ruling on the matter. I note with concern that the issue of dress-code has been raised...

Sen. Osotsi and Sen. Wambua, you have been here long enough. You cannot rise on points of order. You can do better than that. (Sen. Wambua spoke off record) Proceed, Sen. Wambua.

Sen. Wambua, just take your seat. I thought you were seeking clarification. However, you have taken the time to give a lecture. Let me take you directly to Standing Order No. 122 (2) as read together with Standing Order No. 122 (1) (k) . It states that - “A Senator...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I do not intend to discuss your ruling but I would like to go on record because, you have recounted the evidence that you were given by the Serjeant-at-Arms. I state that I was in the Members Lounge with many other Members including a senior Member, Sen....

For the first time, Sen. Crystal Asige, take your seat. For the second time, take your seat. (Sen. Crystal Asige took her seat) I do not need any information. I have ruled. Therefore, any information now is of no use. If you look at my ruling, I did not say...

Sen. Osotsi, just have your seat. Hon. Senators, when I am reading rulings please be attentive. I said, there were two instances. The first time was the official procession when the Senator who was leading the procession as the Temporary Speaker then, it is that point that the shouting of...

Sen. Faki, je una kauli nyingine?

Proceed. KUZOROTA KWA HUDUMA ZA FERI KATIKA KIVUKO CHA LIKONI

Sen. Cherarkey. ALLEGED BREACH OF CUSTOMER DATA AT THE NAIVAS SUPERMARKET

Thank you. Hon. Senators, pursuant to Standing Order No. 45 (2) , I will seek to re-arrange the sequencing of the Order Paper. We will defer Orders from No. 8 all the way to Order No. 12. We will start with Order No. 13 all the way to the end....

Very well. I will allow two interventions, starting with yours, then Sen. Mungatana. (Resumption of debate on Statements) STATEMENTS

Sen. Mungatana.

Sen. Orwoba, take your seat.

Asante, Bw. Spika. Ninachukua fursa hii kumpongeza Seneta wa Kaunti ya Mombasa kwa kauli yake kuhusu kudorora kwa huduma za feri. Mimi ni mkaazi wa Kaunti ya Kwale na mara kwa mara, mimi huvuka feri kwenda Mombasa kufanya shughuli zangu au kurudi Kwale jioni kupumzika. Vile vile, Kaunti hizi mbili...

Sen. Orwoba, you are totally out of order. I will give you the first caution of the day. (Sen. Orwoba consulted loudly) Sen. Orwoba, the Chair is addressing you and I am calling you to order. You rose to make interventions on statements pursuant to Standing Order Nos. 52 and...

We are going to defer one Statement by Sen. Faki, under his own request. KUZOROTA KWA MIUNDOMBINU NA HUDUMA KATIKA BIMA TOWERS MOMBASA Sen. Mariam Omar, I request you to just give me five minutes to acknowledge the presence of some students who are supposed to go back home and...

(Applause) COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE CHAIR VISITING DELEGATION FROM WATHINI PRIMARY SCHOOL, MAKUENI COUNTY Hon. Senators, in the Public Gallery, we have 33 pupils accompanied by 12 teachers from Wathini Primary School in Makueni County who are in the Senate on an education tour. In our usual tradition of receiving and...

[The Speaker (Hon. Kingi) left the Chair] [The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) in the Chair]

Clerk, do we have quorum? (The Clerk-at-the-table consulted the Speaker) Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) (Several Senators walked into the Chamber) Serjeant-at-arms, stop the Bell now. I am informed we have the quorum now. Thank you. Clerk, please, proceed to call...

Sen. Cheptumo, please proceed.

Sen. Kinyua, please proceed.

Sen. Cherarkey, please proceed.

Sen. Mungatana, proceed.

Sen. Kisang’, you have the Floor.

Proceed, Sen. Okenyuri.

Proceed, Sen. Orwoba.

Proceed, Sen. Veronica Maina!

Proceed, Sen. Gataya Mo Fire.

Hon. Senators, pursuant to Standing Order No.238 (1) , the Petition by the Supply Chain Management Assistants is hereby committed to the Standing Committee on Labour and Social Welfare. In terms of Standing Order No.238 (2) , the Committee is required in not more than 60 calendar days from the...

Next order. QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS STATEMENTS These are Statements pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) . Proceed, Sen. Kibwana. ALLEGED MEDICAL NEGLIGENCE AT KIAMBU COUNTY REFERRAL HOSPITAL STATUS OF MEDICAL CARE AT MATHARI MENTAL HOSPITAL Proceed, Sen. Okenyuri. BOUNDARY DELIMITATION BETWEEN KENYA AND UGANDA IN LAKE VICTORIA

Proceed, Sen. Cherarkey. ALLEGED BREACH OF CUSTOMER DATA AT NAIVAS SUPERMARKET

Proceed, Sen. Nyamu. STATUS OF ACCESS TO GOVERNMENT PROCUREMENT OPPORTUNITIES PROGRAMME

Hon. Senators, we will now have the Statement Pursuant to Standing Order No.57 (1) . Proceed, Senate Majority Leader. (Sen. Cherarkey spoke off record) What is your intervention, Sen. Cherarkey?

I do not think your request is properly made. Standing Order No.1 only applies where it is not expressly stated in any other Standing Order. If you read Standing Order No.53 (1) where these statements are made, it provides that the Speaker may allow interventions for 15 minutes per Statement,...

Sen. Kinyua, you may have the Floor.

Proceed, Sen. Munyi Mundigi.

Sen. Thangw’a, you may have the Floor.

Sen. Mandago, you may have the Floor.

Hon. Senators, we have expended the 15 minutes allowable under Standing Order No.53 (3) . We therefore move to Statements pursuant to Standing Order No. 57 (1) . The Senate Majority Leader. BUSINESS FOR THE WEEK COMMENCING TUESDAY, 25TH JULY 2023

Next Order. THE PUBLIC FINANCE MANAGEMENT (AMENDMENT) BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO. 16 OF 2023) THE COUNTY GOVERNMENTS ADDITIONAL ALLOCATIONS BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO. 23 OF 2023) Next Order. Second Reading THE PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES BILL (SENATE BILLS NO. 7 OF 2023) At the interruption of debate, Sen. Joe...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, the rights of PwDs are, therefore, affected on several levels. They are hampered as far as education is concerned. So, they do not get education at the right time. We know that disability takes you back a few steps, but we must facilitate to ensure that everybody,...

Hon. Senators, there being no other Senator wishing to contribute to this debate, I will call upon the Mover to reply. Sen. Crystal Asige, you may proceed.

Okay, and Senator, you have half-an-hour to reply.