Catherine Muyeka Mumma

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for the opportunity to contribute. Allow me to contribute to the Statement by Sen. Hamida. I read Bishop Oginde’s Statement, when speaking to this issue, a few times. My understanding was that he was raising a disappointment at the manner in which women, who I...

Hon. Senators, I have a Communication from the Chair. COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE CHAIR VISITING DELEGATION OF LECTURERS AND STUDENTS FROM THE CATHOLIC UNIVERSITY OF EAST AFRICA VISITING DELEGATION FROM EAST AFRICA PENTECOSTAL CHURCH, MERU COUNTY (Loud consultations)

Sen. Cherarkey, I request that you consult in low tones. For our guests, we do not usually behave badly. I hope we can get this going well. Majority Leader, proceed.

Hon. Senators, I would like to give one and a half minutes to the Senator of Nairobi City County. The Catholic University of Eastern Africa is in Nairobi and the Senator has made a plea that I give him a second.

Hon. Senators, I will just give Sen. Hamida one minute only. She is a current student at the Catholic University of Eastern Africa. It is only fair we give her one second.

Senate Minority Leader, Sen. Madzayo, on the second delegation. The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Madzayo) : Asante Sana, Bi. Spika wa Muda. Kwanza, najiunga na wewe kuwakaribisha walimu na wanafunzi kutoka East African Pentecostal Church, Mwichiune Sunday School, Meru. Wanafunzi waliokuja hapa wamejionea viongozi katika Bunge la Seneti. Hawa ndio...

We now go back to Statements. I have Sen. Oketch. Sen. Sifuna, you actually dropped off because of this other.

Senator for Nandi County, Sen. Cherarkey, proceed.

What is your point of order? Proceed, Sen. Sifuna.

Hon. Cherarkey, I think your final remarks would amount to a threat. When you say that “if you are man enough, let us see whether you will have a meeting in Vihiga or Kisumu” is unfortunate, particularly now that, as a country, we are trying to deal with the issue...

Sen. Cherarkey, you will not give me conditions on how; please, withdraw.

Sen. Cherarkey, you have not withdrawn.

Thank you very much. Sen. Oketch, you are next.

Honourable Senators, I see a whole list of more people wanting to speak. The time that had been allocated by the Speaker is over. What I will do is allow maybe just two minutes each for those I will give space. Sen. Abass, please.

You have 40 seconds more.

Sen. Thang’wa, you may proceed.

Sen. Ogola, you may proceed.

Sen. Cheruiyot, you may proceed.

Hon. Senate Majority Leader, that is a very good proposal. I hope you will follow it through to the end. THE NATIONAL CONSTRUCTION AUTHORITY (AMENDMENT) BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.15 OF 2025) Sen. Eddy Oketch, you have a balance of 50 minutes. You may proceed.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Health on a matter of national concern relating to the challenges affecting the implementation of the country's health insurance framework under the Social Health Authority (SHA) . The...

Sorry. Let us have Sen. Khalwale.

Next Order. THE EQUALISATION FUND APPROPRIATION BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO.21 OF 2025) POINT OF ORDER PROCESSING OF THE DIVISION OF REVENUE BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILL NO.2 OF 2026)

Sen. Khalwale, I think I would want to stop you and bring your attention to Order No.18. Order No.18 today is the Division of Revenue Bill. So kindly sit down, let us finish.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, I have actually brought to your attention that the Bill is scheduled as Order No.18 in today's Order Paper. Sen. Sifuna, what is your point of order?

Let me clarify. Yesterday, and the HANSARD can bear me witness, the Majority Leader stood to move the Division of Revenue Bill. A decision of this House was made that we are not going to handle that matter until the Chairperson of the CoG removes that illegal directive of governors...

I rise on an issue that Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale has sought on some constitutional requirement that is likely to pose a quagmire ahead. He is not questioning other decisions that maybe the Chamber has done. The issue he requires is guidance. In line with Article 218 that requires the tabling...

by Sen. Olekina. During that conversation, a decision can be made whether to discuss Order No.18 or to step it down and to when.I do not think there is a constitutional requirement that that Bill must pass today. Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale has raised an important point that will be handled...

Next Order, please. THE COUNTY GOVERNMENTS ADDITIONAL ALLOCATIONS BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.8 OF 2026) THE ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.4 OF 2026) THE COUNTY GOVERNMENTS (AMENDMENT) BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.5 OF 2026) IMPLEMENTATION OF RECOMMENDATIONS BY CPAC AND CPISFC ON AUDITOR-GENERAL REPORTS FOR FY2024/2025 APPRECIATING

Sen. Oketch, your time is over.

Thank you, Senator. The system is malfunctioning. (The Clerk at the Table consulted with the Temporary Speaker)

[The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Mumma) left the Chair] [The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Wakili Sigei) in the Chair] (Loud consultations)

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, for the opportunity to speak to this Motion and thank you, Sen. Ledama Olekina, for moving it. I support it with amendments. I do not know whether we can amend. Hon. Senators, this is a very important issue. Lawlessness will kill this country. The...

Please, proceed to give Notice of the Motion. NOTICES OF MOTIONS ADOPTION OF CPISFC REPORTS ON CONSIDERATION OF AUDIT REPORTS OF VARIOUS COUNTY ENTITIES FOR THE YEAR ENDED 30TH JUNE, 2025

Next Order. ADOPTION OF CPISFC REPORTS ON CONSIDERATION OF AUDIT REPORTS OF VARIOUS COUNTY ENTITIES FOR THE YEAR ENDED 30TH JUNE, 2025

Senate Majority Leader---

Madam Temporary Speaker, initially, the Speaker ruled that each Senator will be accorded five minutes, through a Motion that was moved by the Senate Majority Leader. I do not think it is procedural to reverse that ruling to two minutes. Otherwise, we should--- (Loud consultations) Hon. Senators, I suggest that...

Do you want to proceed to vote?

That was a different Motion. It was not this one.

Anyway, I will give up, but we have a lot of challenges in the counties. If I may speak on Isiolo County, there is nothing functioning as far as service delivery is concerned, not health, not education, not roads, not water and not revenue. Can you imagine there are youths...

Sen. Thangw’a, do you want to give up your position?

It is Madam Speaker, even if you have two minutes.

The time is up. Mover on to reply.

It is Madam Speaker, even if you have two minutes.

The time is up. Mover on to reply.

Hon. Senators, we are now going to division for Order No.8 and 9. I ask the Serjeant-at-Arms to ring the Division Bell for five minutes. (The Division Bell was rung) The Temporary Chairperson ( Serjeant-at-Arms, you may stop ringing the Bell. Please close the doors and draw the Bar. (The...

Hon. Senators, I have a Communication to make. (Interruption of debate on Motion) COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR VISITING DELEGATION FROM URUKU GIRLS SENIOR SCHOOL, MERU COUNTY

Sen. M. Kajwang’, what is your point of order? Just give him the mic.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I have not given you an opportunity to speak yet. Hon. Kajwang’--- (Sen. Kathuri spoke off the record) I need to ask you to respond to the point of order. Actually, he addressed me in the point of order that you are out of order and I...

Please, finalise because you are on overtime.

(Laughter)

Back to Order No.23. Let us have Sen. John Kinyua. Senator, you are listed to contribute, but you do not have to. If you are not ready, I can go to the next.

We have now moved to Order No.23. I am calling those who want to contribute to the Motion. What is your issue, Sen. Kavindu?

Sen. Kavindu, the House is organised by the Order Paper and I would like to request that Senators respect that. We have already moved from the statements and now we are on Order No.23. If you had logged-in, but you do not want to speak to the report on the...

Sen. Osotsi, it is Madam Speaker.

Sen. M. Kajwang, what is the point of order? Sen. M. Kajwang’: Madam Temporary Speaker, imputing improper motive on the part of Members of this House, particularly the commissioners who are responsible for the procurement of these gadgets, is disorderly conduct. Is my good friend, Sen. Osotsi, in order to...

No, just proceed.

Sen. Eddy, I will now call you out of order. Please, take your seat. You are no longer providing information, as Sen. Osotsi has already presented the fact that this system does not perform the functions you are describing. While he may not have addressed them in as much detail...

I am just informing the speaker on the Floor, who is the Chairperson of the County Public Investments and Special Funds Committee (CPISFC) , that he may request a further audit of this system for the benefit of our understanding. He may also call the Commission to order if the...

Okay, do it quickly. Please, give him one minute. Let it be a point of information; do not expound on what he has told us.

I had a very good conversation during our travel to New York for the CSW Conference with the Country Director of UN Women, Ms. Antonia Sodono. She gave me very rich information and data that I believe would be extremely useful for the House to consider when reading this report.She...

Order, Senators who are speaking at the back. Please, let us hear Sen. Asige in silence.

Sen. Okiya Okoiti Andrew Omtatah, Senator for Busia County, please proceed.

[The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Veronica Maina) in the Chair]

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker, for the opportunity to contribute. I will be quick because it is only a few minutes. First, I want to thank those who went to Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, and to inform the House that last year and the previous year, I, through the African Parliamentary...

Thank you, Mr. Temporary speaker, for allowing me extra time. As we do so, we need to know that as regulators, we must infuse ethical practices and protection of human rights as we provide enabling environment for innovation. All of that is to ensure that human rights violations or the...

Professor, have you voted?

We now move to Clauses with amendments. I put the question; that Clauses 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 10, 11, 12, 14, 15, 17 and Clause 2 be amended as proposed. You may now vote. (Hon. Senators proceeded to vote) Hon. Senators, we now move to all Clauses. I...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to report that the Committee of the Whole has considered the President’s Memorandum on The Cancer Prevention and Control (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bills No.45 of 2022) and approved the recommendations on Clauses 2, 3 and 4.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to report that the Committee of the Whole has considered the National Assembly amendments to The Meteorology Bill (Senate Bills No.45 of 2023) and its approval thereof with amendments.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to report that the Committee of the Whole has considered and rejected the National Assembly amendments to The Election Offences (Amendment) (No.2) Bill (Senate Bills No.28 of 2024) .

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to report that the Committee of the Whole has considered The Public Finance Management (Amendment) (No.4) Bill (National Assembly Bills No.45 of 2024) and its approval thereof with amendments.

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I beg to report that the Committee of the Whole has considered The Labour Migration and Management (No.2) Bill (Senate Bills No. 42 of 2024) and its approval thereof with amendments.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to report that the Committee of the Whole has considered the Tobacco Control (Amendment) Bill (Senate Bills No. 35 of 2024) and its approval thereof with amendments.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, sir, I beg to report that the Committee of the Whole has considered The County Governments Election Laws (Amendment) Bill (Senate Bills No.2 of 2024) and its approval thereof with amendments.

Add her one minute to conclude. Please, wind in one minute.

Sen. Wakwabubi.

Sen. Mo Fire, please, do not interfere with the Senator’s contribution.

Sen. Wakoli, please proceed.

Sen. Thang’wa, please proceed.

Sen. Mungatana, you may proceed.

Sen. Gataya Mo Fire, you have the Floor.

Next is Sen. Tobiko.

Let us go to the next Order. QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS STATEMENTS DROUGHT RESPONSE AND CLIMATE RESILIENCE IN ASAL COUNTIES

Senator for Bungoma County, Sen. David Wakoli, proceed. STATUS OF PUBLIC VOCATIONAL TRAINING CENTRES IN BUNGOMA COUNTY

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I want to comment on the establishment and equipping of vocational training centres in the country. The issues raised by Sen. Wakoli's Statement on the vocational training centres in Bungoma County is on point. This is because the regulations, structuring and ensuring that these centres...

Sen. Wakoli, be quick because I can see Sen. (Prof.) Tom Ojienda wants to say something.

Hon. Senators, it is now 6.30 p.m., time to adjourn the Senate. The Senate, therefore, stands adjourned until tomorrow, Wednesday, 4th March, 2026, at 9.30 a.m. The Senate rose at 6.30 p.m.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.52 (1) to make a statement on a matter of national importance, namely; the secret recording and circulation of intimate encounters involving Kenyan women by a foreign national for online distribution and profit. Over the past few weeks, disturbing...

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move: THAT the Bill is amended by deleting Clause 3 and substituting therefor the following Amendment of section 5 of Cap 245A Establishment of the Tobacco Control Advisory Committee Membership of the Committee Disqualification from the position of a member of the Committee. Qualifications...

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT, the Bill be amended by deleting Clause 4 and substituting therefor the following- Amendment to section 7 of Cap 245A Madam Temporary Speaker, I beg to move- THAT the Bill be amended by deleting clause 6 and substituting therefor the following- Amendment...

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT the Bill is amended by inserting the following new clause immediately after clause 1 – Amendment of the long title of Cap 245A 1A. The Long Title of the Principal Act is amended by deleting the words “Tobacco Control Board” appearing immediately...

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move that- THAT, clause 14 of the Bill is amended by deleting the words “whether online or offline” appearing immediately after the words “related components”. (Question of the amendment proposed) The Temporary Chairperson (

Thank you very much, Madam Temporary Speaker, for the opportunity to welcome the Mombasa Youth Council to the Senate. My name is Crystal Asige, nominated, of course, to represent 001, Mombasa County. I would like to also extend a welcome to the group. Thank you very much for coming. Thank...

Hon. Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said report. Thank you. Who is seconding? Madam Temporary Speaker, I second. (Question proposed) (Question put and agreed to) Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT the Bill is amended by inserting the...

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT the Bill is amended by deleting Clause 2 and substituting thereof the following— Amendment of Section 2 of Cap 245A 2. The Tobacco Control Act, in this Act referred to as “the principal Act”, is amended in section 2 by — Madam...

Madam Temporary Chairperson, pursuant to Standing Order No.153, I beg to move that the Committee of the Whole do report progress on its consideration of the Tobacco Control (Amendment) Bill (Senate Bills No.35 of 2024) and seek leave to sit again tomorrow. (Question proposed) (Question put and agreed to) The...

Hon. Senators, I have a communication to make about a visiting delegation from the Mombasa Youth Council (MYC) . Hon. Senators, I would like to acknowledge the presence in the public gallery this afternoon of a visiting delegation of youth leaders from MYC. The delegation is in the Senate on...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I rise, under Standing Order No. 53 (1) to seek a statement from the Standing Committee on Land, Environment and PROGRESS REPORTED THE CANCER PREVENTION AND CONTROL (AMENDMENT) BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO. 45 OF 2022

Who is seconding?

We are now moving on to The Meteorological Bill (Senate Bills No.45 of 2023) . Chairperson, proceed. THE METEOROLOGICAL BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.45 OF 2023)

That was a very big omission because I never thought I would fall into that trap which was started by hon. Salasya in the National Assembly and this being the superior Chamber, we would not want to fall into that trap of Madam Speaker, Sir. Apologies for that. The United...

Sen. Wakoli, please proceed. THE PUBLIC FINANCE MANAGEMENT (AMENDMENT) (NO.4) BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO.45 OF 2024)

Mover.

Thank you very much, Madam Temporary Speaker. I also like to support the Bill as moved by Sen. Veronica Maina. Indeed, Kenya is basically an agricultural country. The diversity of the crops that we grow in different regions requires a Bill like this, which will give the leeway to the...

(Loud consultations) THE TOBACCO CONTROL (AMENDMENT) BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.35 OF 2024)

Mover.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I will use my six minutes. So, if my brother from another county is pissed off, he can walk out because I have got six minutes to--- Actually, five minutes. Good laws are designed in a way that they are criticised, they are challenged, so that they...

Corn and maize is the same. So, if I am growing maize, I register with that committee, an independent committee, that I am growing for example, 100 acres of maize. If I am buying my fertilizer from National Cereals and Produce Board (NCPB) which is the most affordable one, if...

The Ayes have it. Hon. Senators, we will now go back to Statements and call upon Sen. Faki to read his statements. (Resumption of Statements) UNPLANNED URBAN DEVELOPMENT IN THE COUNTIES

Hon. Senators, we will defer the statements by Sen. Mundigi and Sen. (Prof.) Tom Ojienda. PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION OF THE NAIROBI-THIKA EXPRESSWAY THE UPGRADING OF NGANDI ROAD TO BITUMEN STANDARDS MASS LAYOFF OF EMPLOYEES AT MUHORONI SUGAR COMPANY THE AGRICULTURE PRODUCE (MINIMUM GUARANTEED RETURNS) BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.17 OF 2025) Sen....

Hon. Senator, did I hear you say Madam Speaker, Sir?

Sen. Wakoli, please proceed.

Hon. Senators, I propose the question.

Sen. Wahome Wamatinga.

Sen. Ledama Olekina, proceed.

Sen. Methu, Sen. Veronica, please listen in silence.

Sen. Methu, you are out of order. Please.

Senator, you are getting out of order. (Sen. Methu spoke off record) Why is he out of order? (Sen. Methu spoke off record) Sen. Methu, you are exchanging without going through the Speaker. So, I would request that you listen, in order for Sen. Ledama to finish, please. Sen. Ledama.

Sen. Ledama, I am sure you mean maize.

Sen. Olekina, you have a balance of five minutes. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Senators, it is now 6.30 p.m., time to adjourn the Senate. The Senate therefore stands adjourned until Tuesday, March 3, 2026, at 2.30 p.m. The Senate rose at 6.30 p.m.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Karibu, Hon. Cabinet Secretary. My question relates to the support for TVET institutions. You will agree that the greatest mitigation strategy to reduce poverty is enabling members of families to stand on their own. We have just learned from one committee that you have not...

Now we move on to questions by other Senators. Senators, remember it is one question each. Cabinet Secretary, please, take note of the questions. We will ask the questions and then give you opportunity to answer all of them.

Sen. Maanzo, are you asking a question or informing somebody? Please, ask your question.

Sen. Nyutu.

Sen. Nyutu, you have asked the question. Do not use the opportunity to speak to the issues you have asked.

You know the rules. The basis is Question No.003. Please, sit down. You have asked your question. Sen. Cherarkey, proceed.

Sen. Wambua.

Sen. Veronica Maina.

Sen. Shakila, you already asked your supplementary questions. Is it a different matter?

You already had your chance. That is the point I am making. Cabinet Secretary, you may now answer the questions. I have noted that Sen. Cherarkey’s questions are linked to Question No. 003 (c) . If you are not able to give the full detail, you may undertake to provide...

Sen. Wakoli, why are you conversing instead of asking the question? Please, proceed.

It is a question. Hon. Cabinet Secretary, you may answer the question. The Cabinet Secretary for Interior and National Administration (Hon. Kipchumba Murkomen) : Madam Temporary Speaker, this is a very broad question and I beg your indulgence to respond accordingly. On the first part, on the details of the...

Sen. Chute, the question is supposed to be related to this question that has been asked.

Sen. Chute, you risk me actually calling you out of order because the question is about mob injustice. So, you are supposed to ask a question that is related to what the Cabinet Secretary was asked.

It is noted.

Sen. Seki, please, proceed.

Order, Sen. Seki. Please follow the rules of question time. The question is about mob injustices.

No, what you have asked so far has nothing to do with that.

No, it has nothing to do with that.

Sen. Seki, please, order. Sen. Mandago, what is your point of order?

Sen. Cherarkey, you do not have the right to just speak, okay? Let us follow the rules. Sen. Mandago is on a point of order. Could we listen? Could we hear that point of order?

Sen. Seki, you actually made reference as to whether the Cabinet Secretary had instructed the killings. Do you want to substantiate that? Sen. Wambua, please, allow me to coordinate this. He stood on a point of order. Let Sen. Seki respond and then you can raise your issue.

Sen. Chute, what is your point of order?

“May” with the permission of the Speaker, I have not granted that permission. Please, Sen. Chute---

Sen. Chute, I have actually responded to you. “May” with the permission of the Speaker. Sen. Wambua, what is your point of order?

Sen. Wambua, you are out of order. Substantiation is a point of fact. Sen. Seki, you have asked for more time. The next sitting is this afternoon. Please, you will have the opportunity to substantiate. Can you finalize your question, please?

Proceed, Sen. Maanzo.

Next is Sen. Kisang.

Proceed, Sen. Nyutu.

Proceed, Sen. Aaron Cheruiyot.

Sen. Cheruiyot, I want to cut you short because of the time left. We have four more Senators. Ask your question quickly because we only have 10 minutes for all those questions to be asked and answered. Sen. Hezena, you have the Floor.

Sorry for rushing you. Please just go straight to the question because the time is short.

Senator, you have asked your question. Proceed, Sen. Veronica.

Sen. Veronica, please, just ask your question.

Proceed, Sen. Mundigi.

Sen. Mundigi, sio Bw. Spika.

Umeshauliza swali lako.

Sen. Ogola, please, ask your question.

I do not know whether that is related to the Question.

Hon. Cabinet Secretary, you have about 3 minutes. The Cabinet Secretary for Interior and National Administration (Hon. Kipchumba Murkomen) : I am almost coming to the end. On the political activities, I will reiterate what the Majority Leader said about political players. Yes, some gangs are properly and fully utilised...