Murungi Kathuri

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Very well, Sen. Cherarkey. That memorandum is committed to the Standing Committee on Health. (The memorandum was committed to the Standing Committee on Health) Hon. Senators, I have very brief Communications to make before we get to comments on Statements. (Sen. Osotsi walked into the...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Cherarkey, what is your point of order?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Omtatah was doing so well, actually, up to that point. He was listing the documents that he wants to table for my analysis. This is so voluminous, I cannot determine on them now. What I want you to do, Sen. Omtatah, is table the...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Senate Majority Leader, of course, reading the documents that he is tabling does not take even two minutes; maximum three minutes, just to read the way Sen. Sifuna did yesterday. He tabled all the documents. Now, the Speaker is analying his evidence. So, Deputy Minority...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Okiya Omtatah, you see now what you are actually inviting us to this afternoon? Sen. Eddy Oketch, what is your point of order? Order, Sen. Okiya Omtatah. Just listen to the points of order.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I will caution Sen. Okiya Omtatah. Please, use parliamentary language and also respect your colleagues. June 18, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 25

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Okiya Omtatah! Sen. Sifuna, what is your point of clarification?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Deputy Minority Whip, Sen. Sifuna, I had guided him very well. Sen. Cherarkey, please, hold your horses. Sen. Okiya Omtatah, just read through the list of documents that you have and give the Chair time to go through that volume, so that he can determine...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) As a Chair, I will be able to read all through from number one to 93. Just say that you have documents from numbers one to 93. Unless you are unable to substantiate, then the Standing Order will deal with it. (Sen. Okiya Omtath spoke...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have listened to what you just said when I was sitting; that you think these things might be empty, tabula rasa. That, maybe, I am not able to substantiate. You are casting aspersions on me, yet I am before this House....

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have listened to what you just said when I was sitting; that you think these things might be empty, tabula rasa. That, maybe, I am not able to substantiate. You are casting aspersions on me, yet I am before this House. I do not know what...

This House is not ready for me to substantiate. Let the chips fall where they may or where they must. I am not going to be part of a masquerade. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Are you ready to table the documents?

What have I been doing all the time? You have been stopping me. I tried to substantiate and explain what was in the documents, but I was stopped. When I began reading the document, the Senate Majority Leader stood up and said that I should read without explaining. Why am...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I would like to make brief comments on the statement that was brought by the Senator for Bomet, Sen. Wakili Hillary Sigei, regarding unpaid contractors. Just to inform this House that in the morning, we had a conversation with the Chairperson...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I wish to comment on the statements by Sen. Wambua and Sen. Kavindu on the killings we are experiencing. About two weeks ago, we lost Mr. Elijah Nyambega who was abducted and murdered by unknown assailants. He was a student at Kenyatta University from...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I would like to make brief comments on the statement that was brought by the Senator for Bomet, Sen. Wakili Hillary Sigei, regarding unpaid contractors. Just to inform this House that in the morning, we had a conversation with the Chairperson of the Council of Governors...

in the equitable share. The fear is that once you lump that money together with the equitable share, most of the things this House wants to see done are not done.In fact, there was a debate here, but I do not know if you can remember. As a Senate, we...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want to contribute on the issue raised by our colleague, Sen. Wakili Sigei, just like the Senator who has spoken before me. The issue of pending bills is a national crisis. Sen. Omtatah, Sen. Sifuna, Sen. Eddy and other colleagues who are here, if we...

this will become a vicious cycle that will never end such that in the next five or 10 years, the same crisis of documents that you have seen Sen. Omtatah trying to table here on debt--- What is a pending bill? It is just another form of debt that you...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I would also like to add my voice to the statement by the Senator for Bomet, Sen. Wakili Hillary Sigei, regarding failure by the County Government of Bomet to pay contractors for completed road works. I know the statement has been committed to my committee. Therefore,...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, several pending bills are not being paid because suppliers and contractors are asked for money by the Governor of Migori County. Why can we not confront this issue? I know for a fact that suppliers and contractors in Migori County whose monies are not being paid...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, thank you for the opportunity to comment on these statements. I am particularly concerned about the issue of pending bills. Currently, counties owe close to Kshs200 billion in pending bills. Upon examination, it appears that there has been no attempt to...

Bw. Naibu Spika, naunga mkono kauli hizi kwa sababu zilikuwa zinazungumzia mambo ya kilimo ya dengu, mahindi na maharagwe, kulingana na vile kilimo hakiendelei kwa njia inayofaa. Mkulima ndiye anafanya kazi kubwa, kama vile kushughulika na mbolea, mbegu, kupalilia, ila mkulima anapata shida wakati wa mavuno. Kuna watu wengi wanaotembea...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, thank you for the opportunity to comment on these statements. I am particularly concerned about the issue of pending bills. Currently, counties owe close to Kshs200 billion in pending bills. Upon examination, it appears that there has been no attempt to segregate these pending bills, which...

We have seen many counties claim that they had own-source revenue or stuff like that they were unable to meet and that is why the pending bills came about. However, the truth of the matter is that you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, and I know that they go and void procurements...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I rise in support of the Statement sought by the Senator for Bomet County, Sen. Wakili Hillary Sigei, on the matter concerning non-payment for services rendered to contractors in Bomet County. The matter of pending bills is becoming a...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I rise in support of the Statement sought by the Senator for Bomet County, Sen. Wakili Hillary Sigei, on the matter concerning non-payment for services rendered to contractors in Bomet County. The matter of pending bills is becoming a serious and grave matter in...

We urge counties to pay all genuine pending bills. I agree with Sen. Omtatah of Busia that there should never be a pending bill for a recurrent expenditure. Once the financial year ends, the recurrent expenditure lapses, there should be no reason for anybody to spend beyond what has been...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I have a very short and brief question to the Cabinet Secretary. On the issue of e-GP, it is true that counties are getting some difficulties while using this system, particularly in the remote counties where most of the...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Are they related according to you?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Okay, let him answer that one first. Hon. Cabinet Secretary, proceed. The Cabinet Secretary for the National Treasury and Economic Planning (Hon. John Mbadi) : Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. It is a long response, but I will try to move through it quickly...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Unless there is any other Member with a supplementary question. The response is in our gadgets, you can access it and then if there is any Member with a supplementary question, then you can ask. Sen. Sifuna, you may proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Osotsi, you may proceed. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I have managed to quickly peruse through the long response and I have not seen much about other plans that successful governments have come up with and their effects...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)you use that information now is subjective. It does not have to be standard. Those who support the government will use it differently. Those who oppose the government, like Sen. Sifuna, will also use it. That is the value of democracy and that is what I...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) If you go that route, we might not be able to understand one another. So, maybe you answer the questions the way they are asked and then stop at that. The Cabinet Secretary for the National Treasury and Economic Planning (Hon. John Mbadi) : Mr....

Mr. Speaker, Sir, you know this government likes long stories, but the devil is in the details. Hon. Cabinet Secretary, you have mentioned your project of the Bomas International Convention Complex (BICC) . I am sure he has heard the concerns of Kenyans and environmentalists in particular about the hiving...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I have managed to quickly peruse through the long response and I have not seen much about other plans that successful governments have come up with and their effects on Vision 2030. For example, during President Uhuru Kenyatta’s time, there was the “Big Five”...

June 17, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 27 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) But he said he will prepare for your question. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) He has long stories about housing--- The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) In two weeks' time, which is okay, that is how we conduct business. June...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Just a minute, Speaker. I do not remember the hiving off of Nairobi National Park being part of Vision 2030 for these projects. So, when he speaks about it, he should give us details. So, I am happy he has said that he will answer...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to ask the Cabinet Secretary for National Treasury and Economic Planning the following Question.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, the question by Sen. Hamida Kibwana is a critical one. We might miss something here because in most cases audited reports concerning the national Government are reviewed by the National Assembly. Therefore, it is difficult to peg to some specific issues...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Hamida Kibwana, do you have any supplementary question?

No, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I am satisfied with the response. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)The Cabinet Secretary for the National Treasury and Economic Planning (Hon. John Mbadi): Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, on financial accountability, Sen. Wambua has talked about exchequer releases coming late thus causing audit queries. Indeed, it...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, my question stems from financial accountability, especially for county governments in relation to exchequer releases by the National Treasury. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, in his own words, the Cabinet Secretary said that there are delays in terms of releases to county governments. In fact, if I...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, the question by Sen. Hamida Kibwana is a critical one. We might miss something here because in most cases audited reports concerning the national Government are reviewed by the National Assembly. Therefore, it is difficult to peg to some specific issues that I wanted to follow...

Waziri, we have had conversations with you in the County Public Accounts Committee (CPAC) . My question is related to what Sen. Wambua has raised here. Your office is the one that originates the Disbursement Schedule which comes to this House. I think yesterday I saw a communication from the...

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)NOES: Nil. ABSTENTIONS: Nil The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Honourable Senators these are results of the division- The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Let us go to the next Division. We are now voting on the County Allocation of Revenue Bills, (Senate Bills No. 10 of 2026)...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) , to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Agriculture, Livestock and Fisheries on a matter of countywide concern regarding the unlawful appointment and prolonged tenure of the resident director,...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a statement from the Standing Committee on Agriculture, Livestock and Fisheries on a matter of national concern regarding the shortage of top-dressing fertiliser particularly Calcium Ammonium Nitrate (CAN) at the National Cereals and Produce Board (NCPB)...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Very well. Sen. Joe Nyutu, proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Very well. Sen. Joe Nyutu, proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Enock Wambua, you have the Floor.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Enock Wambua, you have the Floor.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Murango.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Murango.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed, Sen. Olekina Ledama.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed, Sen. Olekina Ledama.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Wakoli, the Senate Majority Whip, please, proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Wakoli, the Senate Majority Whip, please, proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Very well. Sen. Joe Nyutu, proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Enock Wambua, you have the Floor.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Murango.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed, Sen. Olekina Ledama.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Wakoli, the Senate Majority Whip, please, proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Julius Murgor.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Catherine Mumma.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Next is Cherarkey. Before him, let me first make this communication. (Interruption of debate on Motion) June 3, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 19 COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR VISITING DELEGATION FROM MUSINGU BOYS HIGH SCHOOL

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Wafula, there may be a point of information from Sen. Mungatana---

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Wafula, I think, you had not concluded your welcoming remarks. Please, proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) You know, Sen. Cherarkey was signaling me because he also wanted to give you the list of MPs and governors, cabinet secretaries from Kapsabet Boys. (Laughter)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Cherarkey, you may proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) There is a point of order from Sen. Veronica Maina.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) So, can you verify now your facts?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Actually, you said he was not emotional, but, you know, the HANSARD is very clear and I was really keen listening to you. I thought there would be a Member who might raise a point of order on your statements.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) When you allege some issues that you cannot really substantiate--- This Governor, His Excellency Ahmed Abdullahi cannot be able to come to this Floor to defend himself---

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) He did withdraw about the shedding of tears. He has withdrawn that bit. Can you really discuss the report without any issues? Sen. Cherarkey: No, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I hope my colleagues had mentioned the issue of health across the country. They were tying...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)The Deputy Speaker is a respected Njuri Njeke Elder. He is beyond Parliament, he is on another level; he talks with the higher beings.Under Standing Order No.105, is it in order for the distinguished Senator for Vihiga County and one of the removed Orange Democratic Movement...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)House. Could you also refrain from doing that? I do not think it is good for you or your colleague to use unpalatable language.Sen. Osotsi, conclude.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) You are a good debater, but today, Sen. Cherarkey has diverted your mind. Focus and make your point. June 3, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 23 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) House. Could you also refrain from doing that? I do not think it is good for...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir--- The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) You are a good debater, but today, Sen. Cherarkey has diverted your mind. Focus and make your point.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) On a point of information, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Asante, Mheshimiwa Naibu Spika, kwa kunipa fursa hii kuchangia Mswada wa marekebisho ya sheria ya kanuni za kisheria, yaani, statutory instruments. Kwanza kabisa, najiunga na Maseneta wenzangu ambao wamechangia Mswada huu hapo awali. Pili, sina pingamizi za kimsingi kwa kifungu cha kwanza, cha pili, cha...

Thank you very much, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. From the onset, I have captured quite a number of presentations made by members of this House, especially members of the Committee on Delegated Legislation. We have had a very rough time, especially in this committee, where I remember in one particular...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)does not matter how many haters you have or how many people vote for you because they think you are a saint.I talked about a conversation. I think everything that is happening now, our forefathers and parents went through the same thing in stages. They had...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)Madam Temporary Speaker, I hope as we go for Division after Members’ debate, we will enrich the Bill further. The whole point is to ensure that the children feel included, cared for and families do not feel left alone. Autism is a huge burden, as it...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, for this opportunity. The Autism Management Bill (Senate Bills No.19 of 2025) is highly anticipated by families and Kenyans living with autism and parents who have been raising autistic children on their own without any support from the state. The proposals in this Bill include...

Madam Temporary Speaker, I hope as we go for Division after Members’ debate, we will enrich the Bill further. The whole point is to ensure that the children feel included, cared for and families do not feel left alone. Autism is a huge burden, as it came out during the...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Maybe Sen. Crystal, you can put the record straight on what you meant. What did you say about the youngsters exploding?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Maybe Sen. Crystal, you can put the record straight on what you meant. What did you say about the youngsters exploding?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Time is up, Sen. Mariam. Proceed, Sen. Murgor.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Time is up, Sen. Mariam. Proceed, Sen. Murgor.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)foods should be protected because it is their economical source of strength and ability comes from there. Also, they should be protected because that is their livelihood.When the market is flooded with outside items, it just ruins the market. When the President asked Kenyans to go...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)foods should be protected because it is their economical source of strength and ability comes from there. Also, they should be protected because that is their livelihood.When the market is flooded with outside items, it just ruins the market. When the President asked Kenyans to go...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to report that the Committee of the Whole has considered the Public Audit (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bills No.4 of 2024) and seeks leave to sit again tomorrow.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to report that the Committee of the Whole has considered the Public Audit (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bills No.4 of 2024) and seeks leave to sit again tomorrow.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said report. I ask Sen. Cystal Asige to second. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you very much, Madam Temporary Speaker, for the opportunity to reply to this Environmental Management Coordination (Amendment)...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said report. I ask Sen. Cystal Asige to second. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you very much, Madam Temporary Speaker, for the opportunity to reply to this Environmental Management Coordination (Amendment)...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Danson, just to bring to your attention, the Motion was moved in an amended version to include Kiambu, Bungoma and Kakamega counties.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Danson, just to bring to your attention, the Motion was moved in an amended version to include Kiambu, Bungoma and Kakamega counties.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)be as close as possible to our people. When someone is sick, they want to find services so close, which is why health services were devolved.We are also looking for quality services that come handy in a timely way. My colleague, Sen. Tabitha talked about the...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)be as close as possible to our people. When someone is sick, they want to find services so close, which is why health services were devolved.We are also looking for quality services that come handy in a timely way. My colleague, Sen. Tabitha talked about the...

I support these two statements. May the issue of teachers be looked into. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sorry, I did not disclose that we have known each other for some years, but I do not want to give more details.

I support these two statements. May the issue of teachers be looked into. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sorry, I did not disclose that we have known each other for some years, but I do not want to give more details.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, allow me to use this opportunity to pass condolence to the families of the 16 young girls that perished in the Utumishi tragedy. I join those who are calling for a quick conclusion of the investigations and the decisive action that has been taken this far. I...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, allow me to use this opportunity to pass condolence to the families of the 16 young girls that perished in the Utumishi tragedy. I join those who are calling for a quick conclusion of the investigations and the decisive action that has been taken this far. I...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. This is just on Standing Order 105 on Statement of Fact. Perhaps, the Majority Leader did not listen to my submission in full, or perhaps when I was speaking he was in and out. I did not say that we should be telling young...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. This is just on Standing Order 105 on Statement of Fact. Perhaps, the Majority Leader did not listen to my submission in full, or perhaps when I was speaking he was in and out. I did not say that we should be telling young...

I would like that to be kindly withdrawn, so that it is not assumed that I am saying that we should give license for young people to do whatever they so wish if the adults that are around do not listen to what they are saying. The Deputy Speaker (Sen....

I would like that to be kindly withdrawn, so that it is not assumed that I am saying that we should give license for young people to do whatever they so wish if the adults that are around do not listen to what they are saying. The Deputy Speaker (Sen....

That was not what I said. What I said is that if there is anything we have learnt from young people over generations, I gave examples of fires that have been started back in the 1990s. We can even go back to the 1980s. I did not go back that...

That was not what I said. What I said is that if there is anything we have learnt from young people over generations, I gave examples of fires that have been started back in the 1990s. We can even go back to the 1980s. I did not go back that...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir in fact, what Sen. Asige is saying is precisely what I am saying. I took note of the fact that you juxtaposed your argument, which you have just repeated on the Floor, with your message of condolence. The inference then is that because those young people...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir in fact, what Sen. Asige is saying is precisely what I am saying. I took note of the fact that you juxtaposed your argument, which you have just repeated on the Floor, with your message of condolence. The inference then is that because those young people...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, there is a statement that was raised by--- (An hon. Senator spoke off record) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, you need to protect me from Sen. Crystal. June 2, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 61 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Crystal is not interrupting you in any manner....

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, there is a statement that was raised by--- (An hon. Senator spoke off record) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, you need to protect me from Sen. Crystal. June 2, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 61 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Crystal is not interrupting you in any manner....

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, you know too much, but let me proceed to state that I have seen a statement by Sen. Omtatah about affordable housing. It is very unfortunate that leaders of our calibre continue to misinform the public. This flagship affordable housing project under President William Ruto’s tenure...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, you know too much, but let me proceed to state that I have seen a statement by Sen. Omtatah about affordable housing. It is very unfortunate that leaders of our calibre continue to misinform the public. This flagship affordable housing project under President William Ruto’s tenure...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I want to comment on the statement on reversal of monies from Safaricom. I want the committee to also look at the possibility of recommending that the procedure be made easy for monies in the phones of the deceased persons to be available to...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I want to comment on the statement on reversal of monies from Safaricom. I want the committee to also look at the possibility of recommending that the procedure be made easy for monies in the phones of the deceased persons to be available to...

Kshs50,000 in their phones. It makes no sense to ask someone to go and get a grant of probate, using a lot of money to pay an advocate for them to just access, maybe, Kshs10,000, which is in a phone. So, I urge the committee to go wider and find...

Kshs50,000 in their phones. It makes no sense to ask someone to go and get a grant of probate, using a lot of money to pay an advocate for them to just access, maybe, Kshs10,000, which is in a phone. So, I urge the committee to go wider and find...

Thank you, “Mr. Speaker, Sir”, for giving me this opportunity. First, before I comment on the statement, I appreciate and thank His Excellency for celebrating Madaraka Day in Wajir County. Northern Kenya in general has recognised that a public holiday is beneficial. I beg Mr. President, because I know he...

Thank you, “Mr. Speaker, Sir”, for giving me this opportunity. First, before I comment on the statement, I appreciate and thank His Excellency for celebrating Madaraka Day in Wajir County. Northern Kenya in general has recognised that a public holiday is beneficial. I beg Mr. President, because I know he...

Sorry, Madam Temporary Speaker. I had not seen the change of Speakers. I want to condole with Utumishi Girls School. Children belong to the society. In Kenya, there are demonstrations and destruction of properties. So, when children see that in the television, they think that if they do that, people...

Sorry, Madam Temporary Speaker. I had not seen the change of Speakers. I want to condole with Utumishi Girls School. Children belong to the society. In Kenya, there are demonstrations and destruction of properties. So, when children see that in the television, they think that if they do that, people...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker, for giving me the opportunity. I would like to make a comment on importation of food items as aired by Sen. (Dr.) Murango. I agree with him that the agents that import food into the country have to be watched, controlled and managed. This is...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker, for giving me the opportunity. I would like to make a comment on importation of food items as aired by Sen. (Dr.) Murango. I agree with him that the agents that import food into the country have to be watched, controlled and managed. This is...

foods should be protected because it is their economical source of strength and ability comes from there. Also, they should be protected because that is their livelihood.When the market is flooded with outside items, it just ruins the market. When the President asked Kenyans to go back to the farms,...

foods should be protected because it is their economical source of strength and ability comes from there. Also, they should be protected because that is their livelihood.When the market is flooded with outside items, it just ruins the market. When the President asked Kenyans to go back to the farms,...

Thank you very much, Madam Temporary Speaker, for the opportunity to reply to this Environmental Management Coordination (Amendment) Bill. June 2, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 65

Thank you very much, Madam Temporary Speaker, for the opportunity to reply to this Environmental Management Coordination (Amendment) Bill. June 2, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 65

I thank all Senators who were able to contribute and give their opinions and thoughts on how to enrich it even further; they are all welcome. I look forward to those suggestions and contributions being drafted into amendments that I hope to see tabled at the Committee of the Whole,...

I thank all Senators who were able to contribute and give their opinions and thoughts on how to enrich it even further; they are all welcome. I look forward to those suggestions and contributions being drafted into amendments that I hope to see tabled at the Committee of the Whole,...

I beg to reply. The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Veronica Maina) Would you like to request the Speaker to defer the putting of the question?

I beg to reply. The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Veronica Maina) Would you like to request the Speaker to defer the putting of the question?

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. Pursuant to Standing Order No.66, I would like to request that putting of the the question be put at a later date. The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Veronica Maina) I direct that we defer the putting of the question be deferred to a later date. (Putting...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. Pursuant to Standing Order No.66, I would like to request that putting of the the question be put at a later date. The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Veronica Maina) I direct that we defer the putting of the question be deferred to a later date. (Putting...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I request to move the Motion in an amended form pursuant to Standing Order No.62. Madam Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the Senate adopts the report of the Standing Committee--- The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Veronica Maina) Sen. Mariam Omar, you first have to...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I request to move the Motion in an amended form pursuant to Standing Order No.62. Madam Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the Senate adopts the report of the Standing Committee--- The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Veronica Maina) Sen. Mariam Omar, you first have to...

Thank you Madam Temporary Speaker. I beg to move- THAT, the Senate adopts the Reports of the Standing Committee on Health on the County Oversight and Networking Engagements in Kitui, Makueni and Machakos Counties, laid on the Table of the Senate on Thursday, 26th February, 2026; Kiambu County laid on...

Thank you Madam Temporary Speaker. I beg to move- THAT, the Senate adopts the Reports of the Standing Committee on Health on the County Oversight and Networking Engagements in Kitui, Makueni and Machakos Counties, laid on the Table of the Senate on Thursday, 26th February, 2026; Kiambu County laid on...

each county. Most counties lack staff motivation due to staff shortage. We have so far visited close to 28 counties and we intend to visit all the 47 counties before the end of the session.We noted discrepancy of infrastructure. Most infrastructures are stalled because the new governors abandon projects that...

each county. Most counties lack staff motivation due to staff shortage. We have so far visited close to 28 counties and we intend to visit all the 47 counties before the end of the session.We noted discrepancy of infrastructure. Most infrastructures are stalled because the new governors abandon projects that...

contradicting information between the system they are using and what was on the ground. So, as they automate their systems, let them correct it, so that, at least, the system can be effective. Most of these systems cost billions of shillings. There must be value for money for the system...

contradicting information between the system they are using and what was on the ground. So, as they automate their systems, let them correct it, so that, at least, the system can be effective. Most of these systems cost billions of shillings. There must be value for money for the system...

Madam Temporary Speaker, I want to thank the Hon. Vice Chairperson of the Standing Committee on Health for very ably moving this Motion. I also want to thank the team that went out to the three counties of Kitui, Makueni and Machakos. Madam Temporary Speaker, I rise to second this...

Madam Temporary Speaker, I want to thank the Hon. Vice Chairperson of the Standing Committee on Health for very ably moving this Motion. I also want to thank the team that went out to the three counties of Kitui, Makueni and Machakos. Madam Temporary Speaker, I rise to second this...

repair and installation of functional biomedical waste incinerators and the repair of the malfunctioning overall CCTV camera system. In short, we want it so that by next year, the Governor of Kitui County will look at where the biomedical waste goes. This is the same recommendation made to the governors...

repair and installation of functional biomedical waste incinerators and the repair of the malfunctioning overall CCTV camera system. In short, we want it so that by next year, the Governor of Kitui County will look at where the biomedical waste goes. This is the same recommendation made to the governors...

Yes. Madam Temporary Speaker, with those very many remarks, I beg to second. I thank you. (Question proposed) The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Veronica Maina) Honourable Senators, as I call you to contribute, make contributions on this Motion, please note that the amended Motion consolidated agenda 29, 30 and 31 that...

Yes. Madam Temporary Speaker, with those very many remarks, I beg to second. I thank you. (Question proposed) The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Veronica Maina) Honourable Senators, as I call you to contribute, make contributions on this Motion, please note that the amended Motion consolidated agenda 29, 30 and 31 that...

Thank you so much, Madam Temporary Speaker. Let me start by appreciating Members in our committee led by the Chairperson, Sen. Mandago; the Vice-Chairperson, Sen. Mariam; Sen. Hamida Kibwana; Sen. Ledama Olekina; June 2, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 69

Thank you so much, Madam Temporary Speaker. Let me start by appreciating Members in our committee led by the Chairperson, Sen. Mandago; the Vice-Chairperson, Sen. Mariam; Sen. Hamida Kibwana; Sen. Ledama Olekina; June 2, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 69

Senator for Kilifi, Sen. Madzayo; Senator for Lamu, Sen. Kamau and yours truly; not forgetting the new Senator.I say so because we have conducted oversight as a committee. Sen. Onyonka, who is also a member of this committee, has participated in this work. We have carried out our oversight in...

Senator for Kilifi, Sen. Madzayo; Senator for Lamu, Sen. Kamau and yours truly; not forgetting the new Senator.I say so because we have conducted oversight as a committee. Sen. Onyonka, who is also a member of this committee, has participated in this work. We have carried out our oversight in...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. All that was required was their birth certificate since they are under 18 and do not have national identification cards. With the birth certificate, the Social Health Authority (SHA) could register them, give them a unique identity and pay for their maternity services. It was...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. All that was required was their birth certificate since they are under 18 and do not have national identification cards. With the birth certificate, the Social Health Authority (SHA) could register them, give them a unique identity and pay for their maternity services. It was...

have a nap because you have to be keen that the other mother does not sleep on your baby. Having six Kenyans on one bed was extremely sad. We found that in Kitui.These are the same reports we table in this House. I wish colleague Senators were here to listen...

have a nap because you have to be keen that the other mother does not sleep on your baby. Having six Kenyans on one bed was extremely sad. We found that in Kitui.These are the same reports we table in this House. I wish colleague Senators were here to listen...

Kshs200,000. The doctors were willing to do the surgery for free. The problem and challenge was that this metal was very expensive. They did not know what to say.Do you know what the Senate Committee of Health did? The Senate Committee decided to contribute the Kshs200,000 and the Governor topped...

Kshs200,000. The doctors were willing to do the surgery for free. The problem and challenge was that this metal was very expensive. They did not know what to say.Do you know what the Senate Committee of Health did? The Senate Committee decided to contribute the Kshs200,000 and the Governor topped...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I carry it on from where my sister, Sen. Tabitha, has left. From the word go, I would like to say that governors remain the CEOs of county governments. As we call on the chief officers, CECMS and COs of the hospitals, this committee must...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I carry it on from where my sister, Sen. Tabitha, has left. From the word go, I would like to say that governors remain the CEOs of county governments. As we call on the chief officers, CECMS and COs of the hospitals, this committee must...

be as close as possible to our people. When someone is sick, they want to find services so close, which is why health services were devolved.We are also looking for quality services that come handy in a timely way. My colleague, Sen. Tabitha talked about the many women and newborns...

be as close as possible to our people. When someone is sick, they want to find services so close, which is why health services were devolved.We are also looking for quality services that come handy in a timely way. My colleague, Sen. Tabitha talked about the many women and newborns...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Maybe Sen. Crystal, you can put the record straight on what you meant. What did you say about the youngsters exploding?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Time is up, Sen. Mariam. Proceed, Sen. Murgor.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)foods should be protected because it is their economical source of strength and ability comes from there. Also, they should be protected because that is their livelihood.When the market is flooded with outside items, it just ruins the market. When the President asked Kenyans to go...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to report that the Committee of the Whole has considered the Public Audit (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bills No.4 of 2024) and seeks leave to sit again tomorrow.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said report. I ask Sen. Cystal Asige to second. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you very much, Madam Temporary Speaker, for the opportunity to reply to this Environmental Management Coordination (Amendment)...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Danson, just to bring to your attention, the Motion was moved in an amended version to include Kiambu, Bungoma and Kakamega counties.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)be as close as possible to our people. When someone is sick, they want to find services so close, which is why health services were devolved.We are also looking for quality services that come handy in a timely way. My colleague, Sen. Tabitha talked about the...

I support these two statements. May the issue of teachers be looked into. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sorry, I did not disclose that we have known each other for some years, but I do not want to give more details.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, allow me to use this opportunity to pass condolence to the families of the 16 young girls that perished in the Utumishi tragedy. I join those who are calling for a quick conclusion of the investigations and the decisive action that has been taken this far. I...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. This is just on Standing Order 105 on Statement of Fact. Perhaps, the Majority Leader did not listen to my submission in full, or perhaps when I was speaking he was in and out. I did not say that we should be telling young...

I would like that to be kindly withdrawn, so that it is not assumed that I am saying that we should give license for young people to do whatever they so wish if the adults that are around do not listen to what they are saying. The Deputy Speaker (Sen....

That was not what I said. What I said is that if there is anything we have learnt from young people over generations, I gave examples of fires that have been started back in the 1990s. We can even go back to the 1980s. I did not go back that...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir in fact, what Sen. Asige is saying is precisely what I am saying. I took note of the fact that you juxtaposed your argument, which you have just repeated on the Floor, with your message of condolence. The inference then is that because those young people...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, there is a statement that was raised by--- (An hon. Senator spoke off record) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, you need to protect me from Sen. Crystal. June 2, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 61 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Crystal is not interrupting you in any manner....

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, you know too much, but let me proceed to state that I have seen a statement by Sen. Omtatah about affordable housing. It is very unfortunate that leaders of our calibre continue to misinform the public. This flagship affordable housing project under President William Ruto’s tenure...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I want to comment on the statement on reversal of monies from Safaricom. I want the committee to also look at the possibility of recommending that the procedure be made easy for monies in the phones of the deceased persons to be available to...

Kshs50,000 in their phones. It makes no sense to ask someone to go and get a grant of probate, using a lot of money to pay an advocate for them to just access, maybe, Kshs10,000, which is in a phone. So, I urge the committee to go wider and find...

Thank you, “Mr. Speaker, Sir”, for giving me this opportunity. First, before I comment on the statement, I appreciate and thank His Excellency for celebrating Madaraka Day in Wajir County. Northern Kenya in general has recognised that a public holiday is beneficial. I beg Mr. President, because I know he...

Sorry, Madam Temporary Speaker. I had not seen the change of Speakers. I want to condole with Utumishi Girls School. Children belong to the society. In Kenya, there are demonstrations and destruction of properties. So, when children see that in the television, they think that if they do that, people...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker, for giving me the opportunity. I would like to make a comment on importation of food items as aired by Sen. (Dr.) Murango. I agree with him that the agents that import food into the country have to be watched, controlled and managed. This is...

foods should be protected because it is their economical source of strength and ability comes from there. Also, they should be protected because that is their livelihood.When the market is flooded with outside items, it just ruins the market. When the President asked Kenyans to go back to the farms,...

Thank you very much, Madam Temporary Speaker, for the opportunity to reply to this Environmental Management Coordination (Amendment) Bill. June 2, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 65

I thank all Senators who were able to contribute and give their opinions and thoughts on how to enrich it even further; they are all welcome. I look forward to those suggestions and contributions being drafted into amendments that I hope to see tabled at the Committee of the Whole,...

I beg to reply. The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Veronica Maina) Would you like to request the Speaker to defer the putting of the question?

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. Pursuant to Standing Order No.66, I would like to request that putting of the the question be put at a later date. The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Veronica Maina) I direct that we defer the putting of the question be deferred to a later date. (Putting...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I request to move the Motion in an amended form pursuant to Standing Order No.62. Madam Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the Senate adopts the report of the Standing Committee--- The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Veronica Maina) Sen. Mariam Omar, you first have to...

Thank you Madam Temporary Speaker. I beg to move- THAT, the Senate adopts the Reports of the Standing Committee on Health on the County Oversight and Networking Engagements in Kitui, Makueni and Machakos Counties, laid on the Table of the Senate on Thursday, 26th February, 2026; Kiambu County laid on...

each county. Most counties lack staff motivation due to staff shortage. We have so far visited close to 28 counties and we intend to visit all the 47 counties before the end of the session.We noted discrepancy of infrastructure. Most infrastructures are stalled because the new governors abandon projects that...

contradicting information between the system they are using and what was on the ground. So, as they automate their systems, let them correct it, so that, at least, the system can be effective. Most of these systems cost billions of shillings. There must be value for money for the system...

Madam Temporary Speaker, I want to thank the Hon. Vice Chairperson of the Standing Committee on Health for very ably moving this Motion. I also want to thank the team that went out to the three counties of Kitui, Makueni and Machakos. Madam Temporary Speaker, I rise to second this...

repair and installation of functional biomedical waste incinerators and the repair of the malfunctioning overall CCTV camera system. In short, we want it so that by next year, the Governor of Kitui County will look at where the biomedical waste goes. This is the same recommendation made to the governors...

Yes. Madam Temporary Speaker, with those very many remarks, I beg to second. I thank you. (Question proposed) The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Veronica Maina) Honourable Senators, as I call you to contribute, make contributions on this Motion, please note that the amended Motion consolidated agenda 29, 30 and 31 that...

Thank you so much, Madam Temporary Speaker. Let me start by appreciating Members in our committee led by the Chairperson, Sen. Mandago; the Vice-Chairperson, Sen. Mariam; Sen. Hamida Kibwana; Sen. Ledama Olekina; June 2, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 69

Senator for Kilifi, Sen. Madzayo; Senator for Lamu, Sen. Kamau and yours truly; not forgetting the new Senator.I say so because we have conducted oversight as a committee. Sen. Onyonka, who is also a member of this committee, has participated in this work. We have carried out our oversight in...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. All that was required was their birth certificate since they are under 18 and do not have national identification cards. With the birth certificate, the Social Health Authority (SHA) could register them, give them a unique identity and pay for their maternity services. It was...

have a nap because you have to be keen that the other mother does not sleep on your baby. Having six Kenyans on one bed was extremely sad. We found that in Kitui.These are the same reports we table in this House. I wish colleague Senators were here to listen...

Kshs200,000. The doctors were willing to do the surgery for free. The problem and challenge was that this metal was very expensive. They did not know what to say.Do you know what the Senate Committee of Health did? The Senate Committee decided to contribute the Kshs200,000 and the Governor topped...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I carry it on from where my sister, Sen. Tabitha, has left. From the word go, I would like to say that governors remain the CEOs of county governments. As we call on the chief officers, CECMS and COs of the hospitals, this committee must...

be as close as possible to our people. When someone is sick, they want to find services so close, which is why health services were devolved.We are also looking for quality services that come handy in a timely way. My colleague, Sen. Tabitha talked about the many women and newborns...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Clerk, do we have a quorum? (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted with the Deputy Speaker) Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly, ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Hon. Senators, let us settle down for business because we have the quorum. Clerk, please, read out the...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, the Senate Majority Leader. In my opinion, you should not complain, but compliment them that they have a strong team. Harambee Stars should learn from them. The Senate Minority Leader, please, proceed to your seat. Hon. Senators, I have another Communication. VISITING DELEGATION...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, today, we have enough visitors visiting the Senate, so, just so relax, so that we welcome all of them. VISITING DELEGATION FROM THE INTER-PARLIAMENTARY UNION (IPU) May, 14, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 5 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Next Order. Sen. Mumma, you have...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, pursuant to Standing Order No.238 (1) , I commit the Petition to the Committee on Land, Environment and Natural Resources. In terms of Standing Order No. 238 (2) (a) , the Committee is required, in not more than 60 calendar days from the...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mover. REPORT AND CONSIDERATION OF REPORT THE FOREST CONSERVATION AND MANAGEMENT (AMENDMENT) BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO.38 OF 2025)

Hon. Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of the Whole has considered the Forest Conservation and Management (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bills No.38 of 2025) and its approval thereof without amendments. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mover.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said report. I request Sen. Olekina to second. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)May, 14, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 19

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) There are Members interested to in contributing to this Motion. Proceed, Sen. M. Kajwang’. (Loud consultations) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I beg to move the following Motion- THAT AWARE THAT, the Traffic (School Transport) Rules, 2026 (Legal Notice No.11 of 2026) ; the...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want to thank the honourable Chairperson, Sen. Gataya Mo Fire, for moving this Motion on extension of time. (Sen. Cherarkey spoke off record) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I ask to be protected from Sen. Cherarkey. (Sen. Kinyua spoke off record) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the reason that we seek this House to give us an extension of time at the Committee on Delegated Legislation is because there are four important traffic regulations and rules that are being introduced. May, 14, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 24 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Order,...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I think it is fair even though this looks like a Procedural Motion. Ideally, this is not a Procedural Motion. When you extend time that is prescribed in the Standing Orders, it is no longer procedural, but substantive because there is a reason those timelines were...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I also rise to support the Motion seeking to extend the time of the Committee. From what the Chairperson and the Member who seconded the Motion said, the NTSA wants to come up with a raft of measures, especially doing inspection on all vehicles that are...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I join you in welcoming Nkuene Girls' Secondary School, which is one of the best performing schools currently in the entire Meru and Tharaka Nithi regions. We are proud of you as a region and country. This time around, I hope you will have...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Decide whether it is Madam Speaker or Mr. Speaker, Sir. ADMINISTRATION OF THE COUNTY PENSION FUND

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a statement from the Standing Committee on Finance and Budget on a matter of inter-county concern regarding administration of the County Pension Fund (CPF) . Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, in the statement, the committee...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)(Loud consultations)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to ask Question No.036 to the Cabinet Secretary for Cooperatives and Micro, Small and Medium Enterprises (MSMEs) Development: OUTSTANDING COFFEE PROCEEDS OWED TO FARMERS BY DEFUNCT KPCU

May, 13, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 27 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Beth Syengo, do you have any supplementary questions?

Thank you. Clarity was on the budgetary allocation because he has mentioned two. Which financial year? The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Any other supplementary questions?

A further clarification on this payout under KPCU and proceeds to coffee farmers. Waziri, if it is not too much trouble, there was also a matter that arose May, 13, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 28 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I am interested in the KPCU issues first.

Thank you very much, Mr. Deputy, Speaker, Sir. I want a confirmation from the Cabinet Secretary, who said there is a proposal in the Budget for Financial Year 2026/2027. Did the proposal originate from the Ministry and does that specific figure have priority for the Ministry? Is there any evidence...

May, 13, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 29 The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) We go to the next Question, Question No.039. Senator for Nyandarua County, Sen. Methu. Sen. Mohamed, you may ask on his behalf.

Yes, I have been authorised by Sen. Methu to ask this Question on his behalf. Question No.039 IMPACT OF SUSPENSION OF SACCO SOCIETIES REGISTRATION [The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) left the Chair] [The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Abdul Haji) in the Chair] May, 13, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 30 The Temporary Speaker...

Sina swali la ziada. Ningependa tu kutoa maoni kwamba kusimamisha kwa usajili wa vikundi vya SACCO kwa sababu ya mikakati ya kurekebisha sheria za usajili ni sawa na kuzuia watu wasiweze kuzaa kwa sababu baadhi ya watoto wanaozaliwa ni wahalifu. Waziri amekubali kwamba wameanza kufungua. Kwa hivyo, tuna matumaini ya...

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. SACCOs are very famous as instruments of doing business in the matatu industry. Many people are investing in this business every single day because matatus are a necessity for many Kenyans who go to work and back home, including those who go upcountry. So,...

May, 13, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 32 The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Abdul Haji) Cabinet Secretary, there is an intervention from Sen. Mandago, who wants to seek clarification on the initial answer.

Mheshimiwa Speaker, nasimama kuuliza kulingana na Kanuni za Kudumu za Bunge. Ukianza kujibu swali kwa kutumia lugha moja, unafaa kutumia lugha hiyo mpaka ukamilishe. Waziri ameanza kujibu swali kutumia Kiswahili. Je, ni sawa akifika pale katikati aende kwenye Kiingereza ilhali wananchi wakulima walikuwa wanafuatilia kwa Kiswahili?

We will take two supplementary questions from Sen. (Prof.) Kamar, followed by Sen. (Dr.) Murango.

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, for the opportunity. First, I want to thank the Cabinet Secretary for the questions that he answered earlier in the day, and the assurance that he continues to give this House that he is ready to even come back. I want to assure this...

Asante, Mheshimiwa Spika wa Muda. Swali ambalo nataka kumwuliza Waziri, mwanzo ni kwamba, kabla ya kuvunjilia mbali, kuandikisha kwa vyama vya akiba na mikopo, kuna kitu kimoja ambacho naona kinakuwa makosa makubwa. Kuna wahusika wakubwa. Ninajua wako hata Kirinyaga, ambao bado tunangoja majibu, kama Mweteithia Rural SACCO na Rwama Cooperative,...

Mstahiki Spika unajua kwamba kwenye mwili wa binadamu kuna viungo tofauti. Sijui kwa nini tunaona haya, tunataja mdomo na mapua, lakini tukifika sehemu zingine ni aibu. Hata kwa Kamusi hilo neno liko na sikulitaja. Nimepeana--- The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Abdul Haji) Sen. Murango, sikusema usimame na ufafanue kile ulichosema. Ninakwambia...

Mstahiki Spika, ni neno gani hilo kwa sababu sikulitaja? May, 13, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 34 The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Abdul Haji) Sen. Murango, usifanye nirudie. Unalijua vizuri sana lile neno ninalokuambia ubadilishe.

Mstahiki Spika wa Muda, ninaomba nikumbushwe kwa sababu sikumbuki nikisema neno lolote ambalo sifai kulitumia. The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Abdul Haji) Mkumbushe, Sen. Mandago.

Mstahiki Spika wa Muda, Seneta wa Kirinyaga anajaribu kucheza mchezo wa paka na panya. Ulitoa mfano wa ugonjwa wa kuendesha lakini neno ambalo ulilitumia sio kuendesha. (An hon. Senator spoke off record) Hilo neno ndilo unafaa urekebishe.

Mstahiki Spika wa Muda, nitabadilisha neno ‘kuhara’ niseme ‘kuendesha,’ lakini kuhara na kuendesha, maana ni sawa.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)May, 13, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 27

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)May, 13, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 29

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, some Members of this House have spoken on this very important subject. This Bill speaks to our future. Any country that does not take care of its national environment and its forests, will one day pay a very heavy price. I am particularly happy with the...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Clerk, do we have quorum? (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted with the Deputy Speaker) Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) We now have quorum. Clerk, read out the first Order. COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE CHAIR VISITING DELEGATION OF FRENCH MEMBERS...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, I have another Communication regarding a visiting delegation of teachers and students from Visa Oshwal Junior School, Nairobi City County. Hon. Senators, I would like to acknowledge the presence in the Public Gallery this afternoon of a visiting delegation of five teachers and...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Tabitha Mutinda, I might decline giving Sen. Sifuna a chance because you are intervening in my space; it is not your mandate to do that. Sen. Sifuna, kindly utilise the two minutes.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Before that Order, let us listen to the Majority Leader.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) But the Majority Leader has already cited. There are two things you have requested. One, that we move straightway to the Divisions. Two, to have the report on Meru County tabled by the Chairperson. He promised to do so. I have no doubts that the...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Clerk, confirm that we have a quorum? (Sen. Veronica Maina consulted loudly) Order, Sen. Veronica Maina. I want to ascertain that this matter does not concern counties. (Question put and agreed to) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Clerk, next Order. THE EQUALIZATION FUND APPROPRIATION BILL...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) So, this means division. We must go to division. It is not a voice vote. Therefore, Majority and Minority Leaders, prepare for divisions. We are going for several divisions. So, we must be patient. Ring the Quorum Bell for five minutes. (The Quorum Bell was...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)Next Order. THE DIVISION OF REVENUE BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILL NO.2 OF 2026) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) You can proceed and vote. (Electronic Voting in progress) DIVISION ELECTRONIC VOTING The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, the results of the Division are as follows- AYES:...

May 12, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 18 THE NATIONAL CONSTRUCTION AUTHORITY (AMENDMENT) BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.15 OF 2025) DIVISION ELECTRONIC VOTING

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, this is the last division before we go to the Committee of the Whole. Proceed and vote now. (Voting in progress) DIVISION ELECTRONIC VOTING AYES: 30 NOES: 0 ABSTENTION: 0 May 12, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 20 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)Serjeant-at-Arms, open the...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Clerk, read the next Order on Supplementary Order Paper II.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) While contributing, just focus on the Speaker. You will be distracted when you focus on Sen. Mutinda.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) The only problem that you have, Sen. Mutinda, is that you tried to engage Sen. Kisang’ when he was also contributing. That is why he focused on you. I was not really looking at you to know whether you were dancing or not. Maybe Sen....

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Yes, Sen. Cherarkey. Just a minute, Sen. Kisang. Let us get the point of order from Sen. Cherarkey.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Cherarkey, just a minute. Sen. Asige, I will give you an opportunity. However, Sen. Cherarkey, you know that I recused myself from that issue; the issue about Sen. Kisang’s eyes and Sen. Mutinda’s eyes. So, the way they look at each--- you can never...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Kisang, just a minute. I want to be very fair to Sen. Crystal Asige. What is your point of order, Sen. Asige?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) This matter has elicited a lot of interest and emotions. Sen. Cherarkey, avoid giving me the words that I should use because you have just tested me and I have used the words coming from your mouth. I want to give my colleague here, Sen....

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Beatrice Ogola.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Kibwana, if we go back to the HANSARD, you will find that Sen. Kisang really apologised, actually twice. But you know, his apologies, maybe were not very firm. Sen. Kisang, could you now really apologise to the leaders who are here, so that we...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Very well. Sen. Joyce Korir, proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Next is Sen. Beatrice Ogola.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Sen. Ogola. Hon. Senators, on this particular business, there is no other interested Senator to contribute. Therefore, I will call upon the Mover to reply. Since he is not around, we will defer the process of the Mover replying. (Question, that the Mover...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Sen. Maanzo. Hon. Senators, there is no other Senator interested to make his or her contribution on this Motion. I can see the Mover of the Motion, I can see, is not in the House. So, also, I defer and direct that the...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Cherarkey, proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) You speak British English, but you do not come from England. May 7, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 38

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) As I propose the question, Sen. Crystal Asige has not invited us as she launches another album. You know she is also a great musician. (Question proposed) I now open debate on this Bill.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) A unit? Sen. Oketch Gicheru: You know, I went to a liberal arts school in Yale University where you can take a course in agroforestry in a semester. That is why I got a lot of interest. When I came back to start this programme,...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)variety, which I will touch on very fast, they start earning after three or four years. They make as much as Kshs7,000 when they sell one log. Tree growing families in Kericho and Nandi counties, where the Senate Majority Leader and Sen. Cherarkey come from, use...