David Ouma Ochieng'

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker, that is what a responsible opposition does. It does not just oppose for the sake of opposing. Opposition that is responsible provides solutions. We do not just say this is wrong. You tell us how to do it right. In this Bill,...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for this opportunity. Governments the world over get defined by the things they do during the time citizens give them to govern. Governments come to power with their plans. This Government has decided it will rise or fall with this...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) I have heard people talk about people contributing money yet they will not get houses. These are like those people who pay their taxes, which we use to pay school fees for our children, but they have no kids. There are those who pay their...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you, Hon. Members. You have had a very robust debate on this matter this afternoon. Hon. Mbadi will have a balance of four minutes when this business is next slotted for debate. The time being 7.01 p.m., this House stands adjourned until Tuesday,...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Bady, do you want to be informed by the Leader of the Minority Party?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) That is the Member of Parliament for Homa Bay County. I hope Hon. Wandayi noted that. The Member for Kwanza, proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Baya, allow Hon. Mbadi to finish…

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Igembe South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Baya, what is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Member for Githunguri.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Baya. Take your seat. Order. Did you use the word chokoras?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Majority Whip, and the Leader of the Majority Party. You will listen to Hon. Bady. Hon. Bady Twalib (Jomvu, ODM) : Mtachukua muda wangu sana. Katika haya ninayosema, nilisikitika sana kwa sababu Jomvu na Changamwe ni kama mjomba na shangazi. Ni maeneo Bunge...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mbadi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Hon. (Dr) Nyikal, there is a point of order by the Leader of the Majority Party. Hon. Leader of the Majority Party, it better be a point of order.

Nimempa ruhusa anieleze.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Bady, please resume your seat.

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I believe he is now informed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Wanyonyi, go ahead with your contribution.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) One minute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. I think the Honorable. Member, who is my friend wanted to inform me, but he did not ask me for permission to be informed because I do not think I was out of order. So, next time, do not misuse the Standing...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You can use any language.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Do not get distracted.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I order that the Quorum Bell be rung for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) (Loud consultations) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, let us proceed. (Loud consultations)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You have less now.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Marakwet West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next on the board… I am told the card for the Member for Homa Bay County had malfunctioned. This opportunity will go to her. Just give her the microphone wherever she is.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Yes, Hon. Wanjala. What is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)One minute, Hon. Gathoni

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order!

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) We will now have the Member for Jomvu. (Hon. Mishi Mboko spoke off the record)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Nyikal. (Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah spoke off the record) Order, Leader of the Majority Party. This is a report of the Bill. The report cannot stand without the Bill; it is a report of the Bill. I believe that the report informed the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Bady, do you want to be informed by the Leader of the Minority Party?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) That is the Member of Parliament for Homa Bay County. I hope Hon. Wandayi noted that. The Member for Kwanza, proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Baya, allow Hon. Mbadi to finish…

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Igembe South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Baya, what is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Member for Githunguri.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Baya. Take your seat. Order. Did you use the word chokoras?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Majority Whip, and the Leader of the Majority Party. You will listen to Hon. Bady. Hon. Bady Twalib (Jomvu, ODM) : Mtachukua muda wangu sana. Katika haya ninayosema, nilisikitika sana kwa sababu Jomvu na Changamwe ni kama mjomba na shangazi. Ni maeneo Bunge...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mbadi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Hon. (Dr) Nyikal, there is a point of order by the Leader of the Majority Party. Hon. Leader of the Majority Party, it better be a point of order.

Nimempa ruhusa anieleze.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Bady, please resume your seat.

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I believe he is now informed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Wanyonyi, go ahead with your contribution.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) One minute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. I think the Honorable. Member, who is my friend wanted to inform me, but he did not ask me for permission to be informed because I do not think I was out of order. So, next time, do not misuse the Standing...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You can use any language.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Do not get distracted.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I order that the Quorum Bell be rung for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) (Loud consultations) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, let us proceed. (Loud consultations)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You have less now.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Marakwet West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next on the board… I am told the card for the Member for Homa Bay County had malfunctioned. This opportunity will go to her. Just give her the microphone wherever she is.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Yes, Hon. Wanjala. What is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)One minute, Hon. Gathoni

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order!

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) We will now have the Member for Jomvu. (Hon. Mishi Mboko spoke off the record)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Nyikal. (Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah spoke off the record) Order, Leader of the Majority Party. This is a report of the Bill. The report cannot stand without the Bill; it is a report of the Bill. I believe that the report informed the...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you very much, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I agree with the Leader of the Majority Party and the Leader of the Minority Party. I do not think that this matter should get here every year. This House sits and approves a budget and even a...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you very much, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I agree with the Leader of the Majority Party and the Leader of the Minority Party. I do not think that this matter should get here every year. This House sits and approves a budget and even a...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Wakili Muriu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Odanga, Member for Matayos.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Hon. Farah.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Njeri Maina, Member for Kirinyaga.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. The Member from Mombasa, Hon. Zamzam Chimba.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Leader of the Majority Party.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) This is your chance, Hon….

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The next chance goes to Hon. Jayne Kihara if she is in the House. (Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose and several other Members raised their hands) Do not raise your hands. This is not a high school. Hon. Julius Rutto, Member for Kesses.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Kaguchia.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, I take it that those whose names appear want to contribute to this. The first chance will then go to the Hon. Charles Kamuren. He is the Chairperson of the Food Security Caucus in the country.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Beatrice, do you want to comment on this?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Any Member of the Departmental Committee on Housing, Public Works and Urban Development?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Which other debate is this? 30th November 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 17 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng')Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I said that financial matters are difficult. Understanding divestiture and investments may be difficult for many people. The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next Order. NOTING OF REPORT OF THE KENYAN DELEGATION TO THE 4TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE EAPA-FSN IN KIGALI, RWANDA The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Do you have a card with you?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Who is the seconder?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Buuri.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Any Member of the Departmental Committee on Housing, Public Works and Urban Development?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Who is the seconder?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Buuri.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Leader of the Majority Party.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Hon. Farah.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Which other debate is this? 30th November 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 17 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng')Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I said that financial matters are difficult. Understanding divestiture and investments may be difficult for many people. The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The next chance goes to Hon. Jayne Kihara if she is in the House. (Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose and several other Members raised their hands) Do not raise your hands. This is not a high school. Hon. Julius Rutto, Member for Kesses.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next Order. NOTING OF REPORT OF THE KENYAN DELEGATION TO THE 4TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE EAPA-FSN IN KIGALI, RWANDA The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Do you have a card with you?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, I take it that those whose names appear want to contribute to this. The first chance will then go to the Hon. Charles Kamuren. He is the Chairperson of the Food Security Caucus in the country.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. The Member from Mombasa, Hon. Zamzam Chimba.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Njeri Maina, Member for Kirinyaga.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) This is your chance, Hon….

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Wakili Muriu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Beatrice, do you want to comment on this?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Kaguchia.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Odanga, Member for Matayos.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Wakili Muriu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Odanga, Member for Matayos.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Hon. Farah.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Njeri Maina, Member for Kirinyaga.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. The Member from Mombasa, Hon. Zamzam Chimba.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Leader of the Majority Party.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) This is your chance, Hon….

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The next chance goes to Hon. Jayne Kihara if she is in the House. (Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose and several other Members raised their hands) Do not raise your hands. This is not a high school. Hon. Julius Rutto, Member for Kesses.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Kaguchia.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, I take it that those whose names appear want to contribute to this. The first chance will then go to the Hon. Charles Kamuren. He is the Chairperson of the Food Security Caucus in the country.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Beatrice, do you want to comment on this?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Any Member of the Departmental Committee on Housing, Public Works and Urban Development?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Which other debate is this? 30th November 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 17 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng')Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I said that financial matters are difficult. Understanding divestiture and investments may be difficult for many people. The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next Order. NOTING OF REPORT OF THE KENYAN DELEGATION TO THE 4TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE EAPA-FSN IN KIGALI, RWANDA The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Do you have a card with you?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Who is the seconder?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Buuri.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Any Member of the Departmental Committee on Housing, Public Works and Urban Development?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Who is the seconder?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Buuri.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Leader of the Majority Party.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Hon. Farah.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Which other debate is this? 30th November 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 17 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng')Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I said that financial matters are difficult. Understanding divestiture and investments may be difficult for many people. The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The next chance goes to Hon. Jayne Kihara if she is in the House. (Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose and several other Members raised their hands) Do not raise your hands. This is not a high school. Hon. Julius Rutto, Member for Kesses.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next Order. NOTING OF REPORT OF THE KENYAN DELEGATION TO THE 4TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE EAPA-FSN IN KIGALI, RWANDA The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Do you have a card with you?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, I take it that those whose names appear want to contribute to this. The first chance will then go to the Hon. Charles Kamuren. He is the Chairperson of the Food Security Caucus in the country.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. The Member from Mombasa, Hon. Zamzam Chimba.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Njeri Maina, Member for Kirinyaga.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) This is your chance, Hon….

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Wakili Muriu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Beatrice, do you want to comment on this?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Kaguchia.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Odanga, Member for Matayos.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thirty seconds.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Putting of the Question on the Report of the House on the National Lottery Bill is deferred to Tuesday afternoon next week. ADOPTION OF SESSIONAL PAPER NO.2 OF 2023: THE NATIONAL TAX POLICY The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Members, debate on this Motion...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you Members, for your industriousness and patience during the Committee of the whole House. I call on the Temporary Chairlady to report to the House.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said, Leader of the Majority Party. I need to inform you that all of us are waiting for the day you will announce the members of the State capture commission. You keep on talking about it. Everyone is asking when it will be...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you, Leader of the Majority Party. We will wait for Members to come on Tuesday afternoon and do the needful.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Give him a microphone.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Give him a minute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I have actually given you ten minutes and you have exhausted the ten already. You have one minute to finish.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Leader of the Majority Party, I think the National Assembly was a party to this suit. Advise them to appeal.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Leader of the Majority Party and Member for Kikuyu. We keep losing Kikuyu as a constituency.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you, Leader of the Majority Party. We will wait for Members to come on Tuesday afternoon and do the needful.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you Members, for your industriousness and patience during the Committee of the whole House. I call on the Temporary Chairlady to report to the House.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Putting of the Question on the Report of the House on the National Lottery Bill is deferred to Tuesday afternoon next week. ADOPTION OF SESSIONAL PAPER NO.2 OF 2023: THE NATIONAL TAX POLICY The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Members, debate on this Motion...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Leader of the Majority Party and Member for Kikuyu. We keep losing Kikuyu as a constituency.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Give him a microphone.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thirty seconds.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said, Leader of the Majority Party. I need to inform you that all of us are waiting for the day you will announce the members of the State capture commission. You keep on talking about it. Everyone is asking when it will be...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Give him a minute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Leader of the Majority Party, I think the National Assembly was a party to this suit. Advise them to appeal.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I have actually given you ten minutes and you have exhausted the ten already. You have one minute to finish.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of the whole House has considered the National Youth Council (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bill No.1 of 2023) and approved the same with amendments.