David Ouma Ochieng'

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I also want to add my voice to this particular matter and agree with Hon. Otiende that there are issues... 28th November 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 15

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Speaker, the reason I believe this Bill is very urgent is that sometimes we think about things in a very pedantic way. Kenya is in its present state because we have allowed every Government official to conduct business in every corner. As I said...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) There are issues we need to address going forward. I was worried when I saw the Bill in the draft Order Paper this morning. I thank you and the House Business Committee for seeing sense in putting the Bill.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) But Hon. Speaker, the biggest issue... (Loud consultations)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You actually have one more minute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kaiti.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Laikipia East. The next to speak is Hon. Mwangi Kiunjuri. Your microphone has a problem. Use the one in front of you.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) There is pressure from other Members to speak. One more minute, Sir.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I have no comment on that, Hon. Farah. Next is Hon. Salasya.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kitui Rural, your time is up. This is now the chance for the Member for Mandera West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Question on this Motion will be put the next time the House sits. (Putting of the Question deferred) ADJOURNMENT The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, the time being 7.00

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Nafasi hii itaenda kwa Mbunge wa Kitui Rural, Mhe. David Mboni.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng’) Next is the Member for Kisii, Hon. Donya Dorice. 23rd November 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 53

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Farah, I order that you sit and listen to Hon. Salasya before you leave.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Farah, you have one more minute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) How do you define ‘syndicated loans’ again? Did you say they are loans that end up in pockets of individuals?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Peugeot 504.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Rangwe, please, make your point in two minutes.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next is Hon. Farah Maalim, EGH.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of the whole House has considered the Senate amendments to the County Governments Additional Allocations Bill (National Assembly Bill No.23 of 2023) and approved the same with amendments.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, there being no other Member interested in speaking to the Motion, I request the Mover to reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) There are two Members remaining who want to contribute to the Motion. I request the next speaker to mind the Member speaking after him, so that all of us can contribute. Member for Sotik.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You actually have one more minute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kaiti.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Laikipia East. The next to speak is Hon. Mwangi Kiunjuri. Your microphone has a problem. Use the one in front of you.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) There is pressure from other Members to speak. One more minute, Sir.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I have no comment on that, Hon. Farah. Next is Hon. Salasya.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kitui Rural, your time is up. This is now the chance for the Member for Mandera West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Question on this Motion will be put the next time the House sits. (Putting of the Question deferred) ADJOURNMENT The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, the time being 7.00

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Nafasi hii itaenda kwa Mbunge wa Kitui Rural, Mhe. David Mboni.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng’) Next is the Member for Kisii, Hon. Donya Dorice. 23rd November 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 53

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Farah, I order that you sit and listen to Hon. Salasya before you leave.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Farah, you have one more minute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) How do you define ‘syndicated loans’ again? Did you say they are loans that end up in pockets of individuals?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Peugeot 504.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Rangwe, please, make your point in two minutes.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next is Hon. Farah Maalim, EGH.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of the whole House has considered the Senate amendments to the County Governments Additional Allocations Bill (National Assembly Bill No.23 of 2023) and approved the same with amendments.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, there being no other Member interested in speaking to the Motion, I request the Mover to reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) There are two Members remaining who want to contribute to the Motion. I request the next speaker to mind the Member speaking after him, so that all of us can contribute. Member for Sotik.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You actually have one more minute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kaiti.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Laikipia East. The next to speak is Hon. Mwangi Kiunjuri. Your microphone has a problem. Use the one in front of you.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) There is pressure from other Members to speak. One more minute, Sir.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I have no comment on that, Hon. Farah. Next is Hon. Salasya.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kitui Rural, your time is up. This is now the chance for the Member for Mandera West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Question on this Motion will be put the next time the House sits. (Putting of the Question deferred) ADJOURNMENT The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, the time being 7.00

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Nafasi hii itaenda kwa Mbunge wa Kitui Rural, Mhe. David Mboni.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng’) Next is the Member for Kisii, Hon. Donya Dorice. 23rd November 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 53

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Farah, I order that you sit and listen to Hon. Salasya before you leave.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Farah, you have one more minute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) How do you define ‘syndicated loans’ again? Did you say they are loans that end up in pockets of individuals?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Peugeot 504.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Rangwe, please, make your point in two minutes.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next is Hon. Farah Maalim, EGH.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of the whole House has considered the Senate amendments to the County Governments Additional Allocations Bill (National Assembly Bill No.23 of 2023) and approved the same with amendments.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, there being no other Member interested in speaking to the Motion, I request the Mover to reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) There are two Members remaining who want to contribute to the Motion. I request the next speaker to mind the Member speaking after him, so that all of us can contribute. Member for Sotik.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Oundo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Junet, we are serious.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of Supply has considered the First Supplementary Estimates for the Financial Year 2023/2024 and approved the same with amendments and, pursuant to the provisions of Article 223 of the Constitution of Kenya, Section 44 of...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Oundo, is that a comment or a question.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. (Programmes 0201000, 0203000, 0204000, 0205000 and 0216000 agreed to) (Vote 1092 agreed to) VOTE 1093 - STATE DEPARTMENT FOR SHIPPING AND MARITIME AFFAIRS VOTE 1094 - STATE DEPARTMENT FOR HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT 16th November 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 51 The Temporary...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. This Bill is very timely because for this country to survive in the next five or ten years, as a growing concern, depends on how public servants behave. Conflict of interest has been a big issue and it...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay, Hon. Melly. He says your left hand has given to your right hand and then you have put your right hand on the back.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Melly.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) No, he listened to you. He has said in the education sector, the right hand has not taken away from the left hand. In fact, both hands have received Ksh5 billion. (Programmes 0505000, 0507000 and 0508000 agreed to) (Vote 1064 agreed to) VOTE 1065...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Oluoch.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Molo.

Hon. Temporary Chairman. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’)Hon. Rindikiri.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Naomi Waqo, do you want to speak on this? Hon. Kirima.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Let us have the Member for Taita Taveta.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Caleb Amisi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You are out of order.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Igembe South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Keiyo South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. (Dr.) Jackson Kosgei. (Loud consultations)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) There is nothing out of order. Hon. Marianne.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Mosop, Hon. Abraham Kirwa.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, from where I sit, I can read the mood of the House. Hon. (Dr) Pukose, you are my friend, but for the first time, I disagree with you on this matter. We will allow a few more and then the Mover will...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next is the Member for Tigania West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I am sure the Chairperson of the Committee is listening. In future, we need to review what we ask from nominees. Member for Mandera South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Ahsante sana. This chance goes to the Member for Kajiado South. (Hon. Members consulted loudly) I have done four on this side. I have not done a single on this Minority side. Allow this side also to have a chance to say something.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Navakholo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You are out of order, Hon. Caleb Amisi. You are No.15 on the list and I have given seven Members from this side. Come on! You cannot say that.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member for Kwanza.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, I would like to listen to you contributing. Several of you are consulting with me at the same time. One is on this side of my ear and another one on the other side. Allow me to listen to those contributing so...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ali Raso.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You are out of order. Hon. Mwengi Mutuse (Kibwezi West, MCCP) Because I had not finished. The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You are out of order.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Embakasi East.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You will get two more minutes.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kirima, I hate to interrupt you, but the time is 1.00 p.m. You will have the balance of your time, when the Bill is placed next in the Order Paper for debate. ADJOURNMENT The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, the time...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Marianne Kitany.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Very well Chairperson. Hon. Members, I beg to put the question. (Question put and agreed to) Next Order. THE CANCER PREVENTION AND CONTROL (AMENDMENT) (NO.2) BILL The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Rahim.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Australia?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What is out of order, Hon. (Dr) Pukose?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Mover.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) India or Australia?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Tinderet.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Finally, let us have the Leader of the Majority Party.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Naomi Waqo, do you want to speak on this? Hon. Kirima.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Let us have the Member for Taita Taveta.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Caleb Amisi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You are out of order.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Igembe South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Keiyo South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. (Dr.) Jackson Kosgei. (Loud consultations)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) There is nothing out of order. Hon. Marianne.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Mosop, Hon. Abraham Kirwa.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, from where I sit, I can read the mood of the House. Hon. (Dr) Pukose, you are my friend, but for the first time, I disagree with you on this matter. We will allow a few more and then the Mover will...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next is the Member for Tigania West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I am sure the Chairperson of the Committee is listening. In future, we need to review what we ask from nominees. Member for Mandera South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Ahsante sana. This chance goes to the Member for Kajiado South. (Hon. Members consulted loudly) I have done four on this side. I have not done a single on this Minority side. Allow this side also to have a chance to say something.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Navakholo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You are out of order, Hon. Caleb Amisi. You are No.15 on the list and I have given seven Members from this side. Come on! You cannot say that.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member for Kwanza.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, I would like to listen to you contributing. Several of you are consulting with me at the same time. One is on this side of my ear and another one on the other side. Allow me to listen to those contributing so...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ali Raso.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You are out of order. Hon. Mwengi Mutuse (Kibwezi West, MCCP) Because I had not finished. The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You are out of order.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Embakasi East.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You will get two more minutes.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kirima, I hate to interrupt you, but the time is 1.00 p.m. You will have the balance of your time, when the Bill is placed next in the Order Paper for debate. ADJOURNMENT The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, the time...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Marianne Kitany.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Very well Chairperson. Hon. Members, I beg to put the question. (Question put and agreed to) Next Order. THE CANCER PREVENTION AND CONTROL (AMENDMENT) (NO.2) BILL The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Rahim.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Australia?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What is out of order, Hon. (Dr) Pukose?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Mover.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) India or Australia?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Tinderet.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Finally, let us have the Leader of the Majority Party.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Naomi Waqo, do you want to speak on this? Hon. Kirima.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Let us have the Member for Taita Taveta.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Caleb Amisi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You are out of order.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Igembe South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Keiyo South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. (Dr.) Jackson Kosgei. (Loud consultations)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) There is nothing out of order. Hon. Marianne.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Mosop, Hon. Abraham Kirwa.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, from where I sit, I can read the mood of the House. Hon. (Dr) Pukose, you are my friend, but for the first time, I disagree with you on this matter. We will allow a few more and then the Mover will...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next is the Member for Tigania West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I am sure the Chairperson of the Committee is listening. In future, we need to review what we ask from nominees. Member for Mandera South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Ahsante sana. This chance goes to the Member for Kajiado South. (Hon. Members consulted loudly) I have done four on this side. I have not done a single on this Minority side. Allow this side also to have a chance to say something.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Navakholo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You are out of order, Hon. Caleb Amisi. You are No.15 on the list and I have given seven Members from this side. Come on! You cannot say that.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member for Kwanza.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, I would like to listen to you contributing. Several of you are consulting with me at the same time. One is on this side of my ear and another one on the other side. Allow me to listen to those contributing so...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ali Raso.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You are out of order. Hon. Mwengi Mutuse (Kibwezi West, MCCP) Because I had not finished. The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You are out of order.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Embakasi East.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You will get two more minutes.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kirima, I hate to interrupt you, but the time is 1.00 p.m. You will have the balance of your time, when the Bill is placed next in the Order Paper for debate. ADJOURNMENT The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, the time...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Marianne Kitany.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Very well Chairperson. Hon. Members, I beg to put the question. (Question put and agreed to) Next Order. THE CANCER PREVENTION AND CONTROL (AMENDMENT) (NO.2) BILL The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Rahim.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Australia?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What is out of order, Hon. (Dr) Pukose?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Mover.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) India or Australia?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Tinderet.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Finally, let us have the Leader of the Majority Party.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) There is a point of order from the Deputy Whip of the Majority Party.

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Let us hear Hon. Elachi. 26th October 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 32

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) This chance now goes to the Member for Narok North. Is the Member for Igembe North in the House? Go ahead, Hon. Pareyio. 26th October 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 34

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Very well. Hon. Members, if that is the case, there being no other business to transact, I take this opportunity to wish our candidates, who are sitting for their examinations next week the very best. I hope that they had time to revise well....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much. Hon. Jackson Lekumontare.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Lekumontare, we cannot see your name. You could have come ahead of Hon. Ngikolong, but I cannot see you either on the map or board. Put your card again. Go ahead, Hon. Ngikolong.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Kaiti.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next is Hon. Thuku.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Can I put the Question?

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Leader of the Majority Party, there is a ranking Member in the House. I do not know if you have heard his voice in a long time. I want to allow him to do two minutes, and then you will speak. Hon....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much. Members, as the Leader of the Majority Party has said, we will defer the putting of the Question on that matter to the next Sitting. Next Order. (Putting of the Question deferred) 26th October 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 48 ADOPTION...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Umulkher Harun.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Chairperson, I do not know whether you are done. You have one minute to finalise your point.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Ndaragwa.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much, Hon. Kimani. The next chance goes to Hon. Dekow.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You will agree with me that Dr Gogo has spoken for almost all of us on this matter. This is one of the days when we decide this is a very good point to contribute. Let me give this chance to the Member for...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, you know how I preside over the proceedings of the House. Stop walking to the Chair. Hon. Mulyungi walked to the Chair to ask for a chance to speak, yet he is the next in line. He has been queuing for all...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Let us have Hon. Sunkuli if he is in the House.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Kwale.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What is out of order, Hon. Baya? The Leader of the Majority Party, do you have something to say? Give him the microphone.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Can I have the microphone? Let us have Hon. Kuria Kimani.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Igembe South, Hon. Paul Mwirigi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next is the Member for Moyale.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Eng. Nebart Muriuki. If we could avoid repetition, we would really move very well.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Allow her to move her point of order and then we can do what is required.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Sirisia.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Timothy Toroitich.

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon Thuku says that as much as you have five secondary schools, he has 40 secondary schools and 85 primary schools. You can imagine what he has to go through. The Member for Buuri.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member of Parliament for Rangwe.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Bomet County, Hon. Linet Chepkorir.

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Finally, before the Mover replies, this chance goes to the Member for Seme, Hon. Nyikal.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Let us have the Member for Suba South. 26th October 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 37

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Leader of the Majority Party, this is now your chance to reply.

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Sotik.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Let us have the Member for Loima. Is that the Member for Loima? Do we have the Member for Loima in the House? He is not there. The next in line is the Member for Central Imenti. 26th October 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Butula. Hon. Waluke, in future you should contribute while looking up a bit so you can see the light.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Is it the mood of the House that the Mover be called upon to reply?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Looking at the list I have here, I only have four Members who want to contribute to this Bill. I will use the same Standing Order as Hon. Naomi to give these four opportunities and then I will call upon the Mover to reply....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) There is a point of order from the Deputy Whip of the Majority Party.

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Let us hear Hon. Elachi. 26th October 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 32

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) This chance now goes to the Member for Narok North. Is the Member for Igembe North in the House? Go ahead, Hon. Pareyio. 26th October 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 34

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Very well. Hon. Members, if that is the case, there being no other business to transact, I take this opportunity to wish our candidates, who are sitting for their examinations next week the very best. I hope that they had time to revise well....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much. Hon. Jackson Lekumontare.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Lekumontare, we cannot see your name. You could have come ahead of Hon. Ngikolong, but I cannot see you either on the map or board. Put your card again. Go ahead, Hon. Ngikolong.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Kaiti.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next is Hon. Thuku.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Can I put the Question?

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Leader of the Majority Party, there is a ranking Member in the House. I do not know if you have heard his voice in a long time. I want to allow him to do two minutes, and then you will speak. Hon....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much. Members, as the Leader of the Majority Party has said, we will defer the putting of the Question on that matter to the next Sitting. Next Order. (Putting of the Question deferred) 26th October 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 48 ADOPTION...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Umulkher Harun.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Chairperson, I do not know whether you are done. You have one minute to finalise your point.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Ndaragwa.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much, Hon. Kimani. The next chance goes to Hon. Dekow.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You will agree with me that Dr Gogo has spoken for almost all of us on this matter. This is one of the days when we decide this is a very good point to contribute. Let me give this chance to the Member for...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, you know how I preside over the proceedings of the House. Stop walking to the Chair. Hon. Mulyungi walked to the Chair to ask for a chance to speak, yet he is the next in line. He has been queuing for all...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Let us have Hon. Sunkuli if he is in the House.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Kwale.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What is out of order, Hon. Baya? The Leader of the Majority Party, do you have something to say? Give him the microphone.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Can I have the microphone? Let us have Hon. Kuria Kimani.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Igembe South, Hon. Paul Mwirigi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next is the Member for Moyale.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Eng. Nebart Muriuki. If we could avoid repetition, we would really move very well.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Allow her to move her point of order and then we can do what is required.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Sirisia.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Timothy Toroitich.

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon Thuku says that as much as you have five secondary schools, he has 40 secondary schools and 85 primary schools. You can imagine what he has to go through. The Member for Buuri.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member of Parliament for Rangwe.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Bomet County, Hon. Linet Chepkorir.

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Finally, before the Mover replies, this chance goes to the Member for Seme, Hon. Nyikal.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Let us have the Member for Suba South. 26th October 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 37

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Leader of the Majority Party, this is now your chance to reply.

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Sotik.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Let us have the Member for Loima. Is that the Member for Loima? Do we have the Member for Loima in the House? He is not there. The next in line is the Member for Central Imenti. 26th October 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Butula. Hon. Waluke, in future you should contribute while looking up a bit so you can see the light.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Is it the mood of the House that the Mover be called upon to reply?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Looking at the list I have here, I only have four Members who want to contribute to this Bill. I will use the same Standing Order as Hon. Naomi to give these four opportunities and then I will call upon the Mover to reply....