OUNDO, WILBERFORCE OJIAMBO

On a point of order, Hon. Deputy Speaker. There are too many points of order. What is your point of order, Prof. Oundo? My point of order, Hon. Deputy Speaker, is that what is being debated here is the Bill; not the Committee Report. We need to take time to...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I thought I had lost my eyes. I was not seeing the microphone working. At the outset, let us make it very clear to the nation that medical attention is a very critical human right and we cannot afford to deal with it in a...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, it is in order to look at past experiences and make amendments to the financing model and even change the law. The Bill with us here, the Social Health Insurance Bill, is probably merely an upgrade of the current NHIF Act. It is just a mere way...

Yes. I am a land economist. I have trained a majority of the land economists you see here. Because of my training, probably, I know a bit of law. Since I am also a Kenyan, the law affects me and so I know it. Hon. Temporary Speaker, allow me to...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 19 of the Bill be amended—

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I am looking at Hon. DK (David Kiplagat) to see if he is carrying a paper, which is very dishonourable of him. Anyway, he is my friend. Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 24 of the Bill be amended — (1) The Institute shall—

Chair, it is good for you to indicate whether you are supporting the amendment or not. We will not beat you up.

With tremendous respect to Dr .Mutunga because he is a scholar as I am, he is not being truthful to the House and the nation. We have changed the heading of the institute to establishment of the Kenya Sugar Research and Training Institute. The amendments they have moved under (a)...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, whatever the Committee has proposed is more or less in order. It is just a matter of semantics. Generally, the cleaner way to look at it is to look at sugarcane and sugar producing crops. They refer to sugar crops, which can still pass but there is...

If we are listening to the Chairperson, he is clearly saying that the Committee might have overlooked expansion of the definition, which is common. He is saying it is possible to make further amendments to paragraph (l) and include an expanded version of the definition. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I plead with my colleagues on the other side, especially Hon. DK. This is not a contest between Kenya Kwanza and Azimio Coalition. It is about the sugarcane farmers. Please, let us listen to each other. Do not shout at each other. Let us not spend all...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I see Hon. Nyikal is turning his head because he has been told to do this and that. It does not matter. You will go on record. Whatever happens, he will be on record. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) : Let him be. Hon. Temporary Chairman,...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, the heading of Part V of the Bill be amended by deleting the words “APPOINTMENT OF CROP INSPECTORS” and substituting therefor the words APPOINTMENT OF SUGAR INDUSTRY INSPECTORS.” (Question of the amendment proposed) The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’): Hon. Chairman.

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, the Bill be amended by deleting Clause 29 and substituting therefor the following new clause. Appointment of Inspectors “29. (1) The Board shall appoint qualified sugar industry inspectors for purposes of undertaking its functions under this Act or any other written law.”

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, clause 40 of the Bill be amended in sub clause 2 by deleting paragraph

We have already agreed on the text. I drop my amendment because it is already covered. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) : Thank you. (Proposed amendment by Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo on Clause 41 withdrawn) (Question, that the words to be left out be left out, put and agreed...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, there is already a precedent in this country. Election petitions, constitutional petitions and petitions on presidential elections have very clear timelines. People can drag cases. As they drag them, the farmers suffer most. Hon. Chair and Committee Members, we plead with you. Please. The Temporary Chairman (Hon....

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I appreciate. That is okay. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) : Thank you. Clause 55 The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) : Hon. Chairman.

I just want to indulge the Chairperson in the spirit of the expanded definition of the term “sugarcane and sugar-producing crop”. Amendment b (ii) proposes the insertion of a new paragraph (k) which talks about: “the seizure by an inspector of books, documents and sugarcane which, in the opinion of...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I want to urge Dr Nyikal on his delegated authority given to him by Hon. Shakeel to drop that amendment because we passed the Privatisation Bill the other day. I think it is a more comprehensive and substantive Act dealing with leasing, privatisation and the rest. We...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I want my colleagues from the sugarcane growing areas, especially in western and Nyanza to pay very particular attention to these amendments. They look good and workable on paper because they protect commercial interests... (Several Members spoke off the record) Coast and Rift Valley are also sugarcane...

Sugarcane farmers. The import is that once your register, you enter into a sugar supply or purchase agreement. You cannot break or breach it. If you do so, there are penalties. Does this, in any way, introduce zoning through the back door? From my understanding, nothing stops you if you...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move that New Clause22A be now read a Second Time. The gist of this proposal or amendment is the concept of traceability that we should be able to trace the sugar from the factory to the end retailer. If in the event a scrupulous...

It is just a basic principle of drafting that normally such clauses as Clause 4 says that the functions of the board or the authority will go further to break down and give it teeth. Standards is standard by either KEBs, but it is the question of traceability. Many of...

I totally support the Committee. We must make provisions for general penalties in any Bill in the event they are not expressly prescribed. I support the amendment. (Question, that the new clause be read a Second Time, put and agreed to) (Question, that the new clause be added to the...

On Part 3 of the Third Schedule, that particular provision which you are moving to the main body of the Bill, probably we need guidance. Do we, at this moment, move a further amendment to delete Part 3? The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’): It was written already, Hon. Oundo....

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 2 of the Bill be amended by inserting the following new definition in proper alphabetical sequence— “retailer” means any person licensed to carry out retail business in Kenya and includes a supermarket, departmental store, retail shop, wholesale shop, distribution agency or...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, given time in life and the life of this country, we must look progressively, entrench democracy and entrench the right of the people to make decisions for themselves. The farmers have been crying and I want to implore again with my colleagues that nothing is lost if...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman, allow me to check. I thought it was passed. I beg to move: THAT, Clause 6 of the Bill be amended by inserting the following new sub clause immediately after sub clause (3) — “ (4) A person shall not be elected to represent growers...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, allow me to drop my amendments to Clause 14. (Proposed amendment by Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo on Clause 14 dropped) The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) : Thank you. (Clause 14 as amended agreed to) Clause 34 The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’): The Chairperson.

I second, Hon. Temporary Speaker. (Question proposed) (Question put and agreed to) ADJOURNMENT

Hon. Deputy Speaker, the Statement read by the Leader of the Majority Party evokes sad memories for those who live on the border between Uganda and Kenya. We are constrained by the Standing Orders and the law not to discuss the behaviour of a foreign or friendly country adversely. Still,...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, thank you for giving me the opportunity. I was going to complain bitterly because my card has always been on top all the time, and obviously by an act of God or deliberate mechanisation, I was always being skipped. Let me laud my fellow Member of Parliament...

Hon. Deputy Speaker, the water issue is central to people's livelihood. Since Independence, we have been told water is life. We cannot treat such an important Bill casually. So, we cannot contribute and let the people know what we are talking about. To understand, Article 43 of the Constitution made...

Thank you for this opportunity to contribute to the Bill. If you look at the memorandum of objects and reasons, the Bill seeks to amend various Acts of Parliament relating to anti-money laundering, countering the financing of terrorism and countering the financing of proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, among...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. As my colleagues have said, these are very agonising and stressful times for Members of Parliament and parents. Allow me to read a message that I was sent by a parent. “Mtoto wangu anaenda Chuo Kikuu cha Meru kusomea utangazaji na karo ni elfu mia...

Thank you Hon. Speaker. Let me also join the people of Funyula and Bumula constituencies in mourning the demise of Hon. James Osogo. He was the first Member of Parliament for Funyula Constituency together with Budalang’i Constituency known as Ruambwa. When the Senate was abolished in 1966, he ceased being...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Geezers like us, who technology found, must accept that technology is here with us. As a country and as regulators and policy makers, our main focus should be to regulate its use. In any way, the right to petition is enshrined in the Constitution. As long...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I stand to lend my voice to the Food and Feed Safety Control Coordination Bill (National Assembly Bill No.21 of 2023) . If you read the memorandum and reasons for the Bill, you will find that it is basically to provide for coordination of public...

Hon. Speaker, allow me to support the Report of the Committee on Delegated Legislation with respect to the Value Added Tax There is a lot of traffic in the digital space, especially by young people and even older ones. There is a lot of money being made and revenue being...

For 30 minutes? Hon. Temporary Speaker, the Leader of the Majority Party… Just to be clear, Hon. Oundo, you have a maximum of 10 minutes. Hon. Temporary Speaker, the Leader of the Majority Party recognises my expertise in this area. I have earned over 30 years of experience.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I must declare that I am a registered valuer who has practised for over 30 years. I have been a lecturer on both valuation and land taxation and I am happy that finally what we set out when we started the cause of land reforms...

Thank you. For the first time, the Leader of the Majority Party has been sympathetic to the majority of Kenyans. (Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah spoke off-record) The Bill proposes that the rating authority will be the county government. The Bill also suggests that all properties in the county within the jurisdiction...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker for giving me the opportunity to contribute on this Report on the Public Debt and Privatisation Committee on Consolidated Fund Service expenditure under the Financial Year 2023/2024 Budget Estimates. Let me echo the statements of the Vice-Chair, that probably, this is the wrong time to...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. As you are aware, when Hon. Wanjala suffers, I suffer more because when they are displaced, they stay at my place waiting for the water to recede. Allow me to also ask the Cabinet Secretary that, while they are trying to solve the issue of Kanyaboli...

On a point of order, Hon. Speaker. Oundo, what is the problem? It is probably just a policy matter. I would like to pick up from where Hon. Beatrice Elachi left about Kileleshwa Primary School land. I am sure the Cabinet Secretary is aware that many public primary schools in...

Hon. Speaker, unfortunately, from our training, when you make a pronouncement, there must be deliverables. One of the deliverables is timelines. When a lady conceives, it is expected that after nine months, and not more, she will deliver. What is your question? Can the Cabinet Secretary give us exact timelines...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, as I stand to support, I do so with reservations. My reservations are based on the text of the Report and nothing else. This is a document that was originated, negotiated and signed in 1991. The year 1991 up to now is close to 30 years. I...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. This Ugenya boy…

Hon. Temporary Speaker, in essence, there is a contravention of the law because if you can only have one way and no other, what is the purpose of this document coming to this House where we cannot raise any reservations at all? I need further guidance. Probably, when the Mover...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, the Constitution clearly says that a treaty or any international law only comes into force upon ratification by the National Assembly in our country. It means that this treaty will apply the moment this House approves or adopts the Report. That is when the three years plus...

It is in the Constitution. It says… It comes into force when we ratify the treaty. Yes. The time it comes into force globally is different from the time it is implemented in the country. Hon. Temporary Speaker, the Constitution 2010 is explicitly clear. When the Chairman was moving the...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, the Standing Orders are expressly clear that you cannot impute wrong motive on a Member of Parliament. I did not mention any Member. So, there is nothing out of order. Allow me to proceed and complete my point. The Temporary Speaker (Hon. (Dr.) Rachael Nyamai): You will...