Catherine Muyeka Mumma

Hon. Cabinet Secretary, you may now proceed to respond. The Cabinet Secretary for National Treasury and Economic Planning (Hon. John Mbadi) : Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. In response to the supplementary question from the question by Sen. Mumma, Question No.2 was asking the specific pending bills that were paid...

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to request a statement from the Standing Committee on Justice Legal Affairs and Human Rights (JLAHR) regarding the urgent and concerning issue of the criminalization and re-victimization of survivors of Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) , including minors....

Sen. Cherarkey, proceed. REDUCTION OF TEA BONUS IN CERTAIN TEA GROWING AREAS

Sen. Orwoba, proceed. PROVISION OF CONDUCIVE LACTATING ROOMS AT THE WORK PLACES

Hon. Senators, we will now open up for Senators to comment on the statements. My apologies, we will move on to the next set of statements pursuant to Standing Order 56 (1) . The Chairperson Standing Committee on Finance and Budget. STATUS OF THE EQUALIZATION FUND

We proceed to statements pursuant to Standing Order No.56 (1) (b) . The Chairperson of the Standing Committee on Information, Communication, and Technology. ACTIVITIES OF THE COMMITTEE ON INFORMATION, COMMUNICATION AND TECHNOLOGY

The Chairperson of the Standing Committee on Justice, Legal Affairs and Human Rights, proceed. ACTIVITIES OF THE COMMITTEE ON JUSTICE, LEGAL AFFAIRS AND HUMAN RIGHTS

The Chairperson Standing Committee on Labour and Social Welfare? ACTIVITIES OF THE COMMITTEE ON LABOUR AND SOCIAL WELFARE

Hon. Senators, I will now give some 30 minutes for comments on the statements. We will limit the comments to only three minutes in order to give opportunity to as many Senators as possible. Sen. Osotsi proceed. Sen. Osotsi: Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I want to comment on a...

Substantive action needs to be taken by this House. I have already reported this matter to this House and we have done a report. Why is the report not being implemented? The hospital management should be held accountable because it is very bad for surgical scissors to be left in...

Proceed, Sen. Joyce Korir.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I would like to comment on the statement raised by the Senator for Nandi, Sen. Cherarkey, touching on low returns for tea farmers. If you visit counties like Nyamira, Kericho, Bomet and Nandi where tea is grown, farmers are crying. In Nyamira, for example, where I am...

Proceed, Sen. Cheptumo.

Sen. Maanzo, you have the Floor.

Sen. Cherarkey, you have the Floor

Sen. Oketch Gicheru, you have the Floor.

You should give a chance to others. Just wind up. Madam Temporary Speaker, the people of Migori County were only given Kshs62 million out of the expected Kshs250 million. My request is that the House must stand with the Kshs400 billion that we passed in the previous DORA. This is...

Proceed, Sen. (Prof.) Tom Odhiambo Ojienda.

Next Order. THE CONSTITUTION OF KENYA (AMENDMENT) (NO.2) BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.46 OF 2024) THE DIVISION OF REVENUE (AMENDMENT) BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO.38 OF 2024) COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE THE GAMBLING CONTROL BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO.70 OF 2023) COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE THE TEA (AMENDMENT) BILL (SENATE BILLS...

There is no more requests, so I call on the mover to reply.

It is so deferred. (Putting of Question on Bill deferred) Next Order. Yes, Sen. Cheptumo. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON INSECURITY IN TURKANA COUNTY

Proceed Sen. Nyamu.

Proceed, Sen. Mariam.

I now call upon the Mover of the Motion to reply because no other Senator is contributing. Sen. Cheptumo, you have the Floor.

It is so deferred. (Putting of the Question on Motion deferred) Hon. Members, I also wish to defer the remainder of the Orders on the Order Paper up to Order No.35. THE COUNTY ASSEMBLIES PENSIONS SCHEME BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.14 OF 2024) THE CONSTITUTION OF KENYA (AMENDMENT) BILL (SENATE BILLS...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) ---

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to request a Statement from the Standing Committee on Justice, Legal Affairs and Human Rights regarding the urgent and concerning the issue of alleged defilement and incestuous impregnation of a minor from Kigoto Village in Suba South Sub...

Order, hon. Members.

Sen. Oketch and Sen. Okiya Omtatah, kindly, listen to the Senator in silence.

Thank you. Sen. Orwoba.

Sen. Orwoba, what you are speaking to is important but today’’s business is the National Disaster Risk Management Bill. If you want to place context, please, situate it in the Bill.

I have ruled you out of order. That is asking for an opinion. Continue, Sen. M. Kajwang’.

Madam Temporary Speaker, from the outset, this Bill is crucial in terms of many issues. You are aware that disaster management is--- Madam Temporary Speaker, I do not know why the amber light is on. I need your guidance.

Sen. Eddie, what is your point of order?

Please, explain instead of asking. You cannot give a point of order on an opinion. What do you want him to clarify?

unfortunate that we lost those lives in May, 2018 when that unfortunate disaster happened in Nakuru County. These are challenges that we should learn from. I am happy there is a legal framework in terms of disaster management going into the future.Additionally, even at that time, we lost more than...

Next is Sen. Cherarkey.

Sen. Cherarkey, do you want to be informed.

Proceed, Sen. Cherarkey.

I cannot see any other requests. I therefore call upon the mover to reply.

Sen. Eddy? ADOPTION OF REPORT ON INSECURITY IN TURKANA COUNTY amendment of DORA, but that did not happen. The shocks now are not bigger than at that time.Madam Temporary Speaker, as a matter of principle, the framers of the Constitution would have expressly indicated in the Constitution that in terms...

If you try in any way to remove a shilling out of the Kshs400 billion, you are touching on non-discretionary resources of counties which will not make it possible for the counties to do any operation.Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, while we support the DORA amendment to the extent that it...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for the opportunity to speak. It is unacceptable for the Cabinet Secretary of the National Treasury and Economic Planning to elect to send a letter this morning. We are asking the Cabinet Secretary questions that have been moved for over six months. We asked...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I welcome the Cabinet Secretary. My question is on the system that the Ministry has put in place to ensure equitable access to social protection. Given that the Constitution requires that all resources in Kenya are equitably accessed by those who need them, what...

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. My question to the Cabinet Secretary is to confirm whether the Government has appropriate bilateral agreements that have safeguarded the rights of all workers being recruited to go and work abroad. In particular, noting that a number of very vulnerable workers have ended up abroad...

Proceed, Sen. Gataya Mo Fire. \ (Sen. Gataya Mo Fire’s microphone went off)

Hon. Cabinet Secretary, you can respond. The Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection (Hon. (Dr.) Mutua) : Thank you very much, Madam Temporary Speaker. I think the Hon. Senator has just walked in because we had already tackled this issue. Nonetheless, I will repeat myself. We talked about the...

Hon. Cabinet Secretary, proceed. The Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection (Hon. (Dr.) Alfred Mutua) : Thank you very much, Sen. Onyonka for your question. In terms of provision of information, we have with in our offices the payroll because it is important. I totally agree with you that...

He wants to know how many children have come back The Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection (Hon. (Dr.) Alfred Mutua) : As I said, that is the forte of the State Department for Diaspora Affairs, which is under hon. Musalia Mudavadi. They are being processed overseas. The Ministry...

Sen. Onyonka, I do not know how you would have a point of order on a list that we have not even discussed. Please, let us move on.

He wants to know how many children have come back The Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection (Hon. (Dr.) Alfred Mutua) : As I said, that is the forte of the State Department for Diaspora Affairs, which is under hon. Musalia Mudavadi. They are being processed overseas. The Ministry...

Sen. Onyonka, no, you cannot--- It is a point of order on what?

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, you are prosecuting your point as you speak about procedure. There is nothing wrong with the procedure that we have. As Speakers, we manage time. We have another question and we have another Cabinet Secretary in the waiting room with eight questions.

Sen. Cherarkey, do you want to speak to the list quickly?

Hon. Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection (Hon. Mutua) : Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I also thank you, Sen. David Wakoli, for your questions. My response is as follows. Determination of employment contracts of employees on account of redundancy of the Pan Africa Paper Mills...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, you are prosecuting your point as you speak about procedure. There is nothing wrong with the procedure that we have. As Speakers, we manage time. We have another question and we have another Cabinet Secretary in the waiting room with eight questions. Is Senator (Dr.) Murango there?...

Hon. Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection (Hon. Mutua) : Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I also thank you, Sen. David Wakoli, for your questions. My response is as follows. Determination of employment contracts of employees on account of redundancy of the Pan Africa Paper Mills...

Is Senator (Dr.) Murango there? Senator Mbugua.

Hon. Members, actually the Cabinet Secretary is supposed to be answering supplementary questions in respect of this other Question. I can see Members had many questions on the earlier one, so I will allow a quick response to that. The Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection (Hon. (Dr.) Mutua):...

Madam Temporary Speaker, people are misbehaving in the House. We are not in an auction ring. I want to ask my good sister to say something. I have delegated one of my supplementary questions and Madam Temporary Speaker has no option. Senator.

Cabinet Secretary, proceed. The Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection (Hon. (Dr.) Alfred Mutua) : Madam Temporary Speaker, job migration has been occurring in our countries since the JF Kennedy airlifts. Kenyans are free to wake up today, go to the internet, find a job as an engineer at...

Just hold on. Technical team, what is happening with the microphone? Is it okay?(Technical Hitch)The Cabinet Secretary for Roads and Transport (Hon. Chirchir) : Thank you. Madam Temporary Speaker, I would like to share important cross-cutting information affecting the road subsector. The information will likely be used during follow-up discussion...

Technical team, what is happening? Why do we have an echo? The Cabinet Secretary for Roads and Transport (Hon. Chirchir) : Let us try again. Are we okay now? Technical team, are you doing something about this? Are we okay now? Proceed Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Roads and...

Cabinet Secretary? The Cabinet Secretary for Roads and Transport (Hon. Davis Chirchir) : I would like to request, even as I respond to this specific Question by Sen. Mwenda, to give a background on an overarching challenge, which will kind of touch on all the seven questions, and then I...

Cabinet Secretary you can resume. The Cabinet Secretary for Roads and Transport (Hon. Chirchir) : Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker and sorry about that. I would request to share some important cross-cutting information affecting the roads subsector. The information will likely be useful during follow-up discussions, which may arise after...

Sen. Kinyua, you will let the Speaker guide in this session. Procedurally, the Standing Orders require that the Cabinet Secretary respond to each Question as raised by each Senator. I am asking the Cabinet Secretary because he started generally to indicate whether his general remarks are intended to provide a...

Sen. Mo Fire? The consequences of the road project funding gap, which have been well noted by Members of this House who are very well informed on the status of road projects in their respective regions, most projects funded under the development vote are progressing much slower than they ought...

Proceed Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Roads & Transport (Hon. Chirchir) : I beg to respond. The total award for the compensation of the owners of the parcels of land acquired for construction of this particular road, St. Mary's, Kinoro/Kiyanjuku/Bogori Road was Kshs115,662,825. The KeRRA received Kshs28,999,599 from the...

Cabinet Secretary, I suggest you note that down. Once we have finished the other questions, ensure to respond to Sen. Kathuri's question. Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, are you ready?

Thank you, Sen. Thang’wa. That is why I said we will only allow you to ask if you have one on that specific issue. I would like us to go through the questions, then we will allow the rest of the Members to ask the questions they have to the...

The Ministry facilitated these processes in full and was thus awaiting issuance of award letters to the project-affected persons. The award schedule to KeRRA detailing compensation amounts informed provision of funds for the same.The KeRRA sent reminders to the Commission via a letter dated 27th November, 2023, which I have...

Madam Temporary Speaker, this Question does not warrant a supplementary question, but I would like to prick the Cabinet Secretary.

That is okay. Could we move to the question by Sen. (Dr.) Murango? You have three questions. You will ask one and let it be answered before you go to the next. Question No.066 Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. (Loud consultations) Cabinet Secretary, kindly hold on. Hon. Members, please, listen...

Cabinet Secretary, please, respond. The Cabinet Secretary for Roads and Transport (Hon. Chirchir) : Madam Temporary Speaker, after this session, I will identify a date for a cup of tea with the Senator. He has just asked for a date and I will do that sometime next week. That is...

Cabinet Secretary, you may respond to those questions. The Cabinet Secretary, Ministry of Roads and Transport (Hon. Chirchir) : Madam Temporary Speaker, I thank Sen. (Dr.) Murango, the Senator for Kirinyaga County, for those questions. Let me go straight to the responses. The two projects are being implemented by the...

Order, Sen. Murango. You will determine whether you want to ask your questions in English or Kiswahili as a supplementary question. That is the rule of the House.

Order, Sen. Cherarkey and Sen. (Prof.) Tom Odhiambo Ojienda. Please, have some respect for the speaker. The Cabinet Secretary for Roads and Transportation (Hon. Chirchir) : However, because we have already started the works, we will pay attention as a Ministry and give priority to ensure that when the limited...

Hon. Cabinet Secretary, proceed. The Cabinet Secretary for Roads and Transportation (Hon. Chirchir) : Madam Temporary Speaker, Wang’uru Thiba Airstrip is a cold sea aerodrome capable of handling aircrafts with passenger capacity of 13 and has two runways. We will recall that this is the airstrip that was used during...

Hon. Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Roads and Transport (Hon. Chirchir) : Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker, for that supplementary question. Like I said earlier in my opening remarks, as soon as we unlock the challenge of pending bills - that is my priority agenda - we should be...

It is in the Standing Orders. (Laughter) Madam Temporary Speaker, you know, the people of Kajiado would not have known what transpired during the tea session. So, it is good for me to go on record as far as the supplementary is concerned. I will then make a general comment...

There is a point of order, Sen. Tobiko.

Yes, Madam Temporary Speaker. I also needed to---

Madam Temporary Speaker, my point of order is on Standing Order No.105. We should be allowed to raise points of order. However, allowing people in this House to make allegations and leaving them on record without following the due requirements is becoming a dangerous precedent. Sen. Tobiko has just mentioned...

On a point of order, we have not even addressed that. Sen. Tobiko, you have made allegations about somebody who is not in this House to defend themselves. You may withdraw or provide information to substantiate what you have said at a later stage.

Sen. Tobiko, allow me to guide you. Kindly go to your supplementary question. The Standing Orders do not allow you to go outside of that.

Sen. Mandago, what is your point of order?

Sen. Tobiko--- (Loud consultations) If you have a Standing Order you are trying to raise--- Sen. Cherarkey: I am trying to guide--- (Loud consultations) Madam Temporary Speaker, this will give me the best opportunity to provide evidence to this House. I am more than ready to bring that evidence. What...

On a point of order, Madam Temporary Speaker.

Sen. Kiio, you are actually discussing the issue.

I am ruling you out of order. Kindly sit. What is your point of order, Sen. Wambua?

Order, Sen. Orwoba. Can you allow Sen. Wambua to speak?

Sen. Kiio, you are actually discussing the issue. Sen. Tobiko, I ruled on this that on the matter that you touched, you will have opportunity to substantiate. It is not an issue of whether debate has been stopped.

Sen. Tobiko, you will provide your evidence by end of day tomorrow. Cabinet Secretary, you may now respond. The Cabinet Secretary for Roads & Transport (Hon. Chirchir) : Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. On the supplementary question on this particular section of road which touches Kajiado-Ilasit-Rombo-Taveta, I indicated that it...

Cabinet Secretary, this session has to end. The session is not over. There were a few more questions, but we could not get Members to ask. So, we will get in touch and reschedule another session with you. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Senators, it is now 1.15 p.m. Having extended this Sitting...

Senator (Dr.) Khalwale?

Sen. Oketch Gicheru, proceed.

Sen. Sifuna, proceed.

Sen. Murgor, proceed.

Hon. Senators, it is now 6.30 p.m., time to adjourn the Senate. The Senate, therefore, stands adjourned until tomorrow, Thursday, 19th September, 2024, at 2.30 p.m. The Senate rose at 6.30 p.m. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Senators, it is now 6.30 p.m., time to adjourn the Senate. The Senate, therefore, stands adjourned...

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I have some two or three questions to the witness. The first question relates to charge No.1. Is there a difference between revocation and dismissal or removal from office? Question two, is the secretary or Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of the Meru County Public Service...

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. My question to the witness is, the Governor is widely accused of not being a people person who brings people together. What efforts have been made to bring the Governor and the County Assembly to work together for the benefit of the people of...

name is Muthengi Mpara. I am from Kenya Broadcasting Channel (KBC), Mwago FM, the translator. name is Muthengi Mpara. I am from Kenya Broadcasting Channel (KBC), Mwago FM, the translator. We are waiting for the doctor to come so that he can confirm whether the child is okay or not....

Counsel, just to alert you that you have done two hours now.

You may proceed.

I had already granted that permission. Can the video be played, please? (A video clip was played)

Is the translator here? Is it interpreted?

Very well. So, it is the part that was in English only?

That is okay.

Video number 13. (A video clip was played)

Is that 12 or 13? If that is 12, then, can you play 13?

The Interpreter (Mr. Duncan Gitonga): Bw. Spika, jina langu ni Gitonga Kabori. Nitapeana tafsiri iliyo kwenye kanda inayoendelea sasa.Anasema amefurahi kwa sababu hakuna mtu yeyote analipa kodi katika Kaunti ya Meru, kule Maua. Na hakuna siku watarudi tena kulipa hata hizo chuma zikiuzwa skrepu.Chuma zile ziko kule, ziuzwe zikiwa nini?...

Counsel, hold on. The Senate Minority Leader, what is the issue? The Senate Minority Leader (

Are the views of this gentleman representative of the views of the Assembly and is he a member of the County Assembly?

Play video No.7. Counsel, you have now done three hours. (A video clip was played) The translator? The Interpreter (Mr. Duncan Gitonga) : Madam Temporary Speaker, my name is Gitonga Kabori. I request the video to be replayed again. (A video clip was played) Ninaweza sema kuwa impeachment ya gavana,...

That is why I came here. My learned colleague, Mr Mutuma, is the one cross-examining, but I came here to seek direction on the question of time. The reason being, at the very least, it is not asking for too much to ask for equality of terms. It is the...

Counsel, how much time do you think you will require for this?

Yes, Sen. Omtatah?

Asante, Bi. Spika wa Muda. Sisi Maseneta ni kama Majaji katika kesi hii. Ni vyema tupate mwelekeo iwapo majaji wataweza kupea mwelekeo mshukiwa ama mshtakiwa jinsi ya kukabiliana na mwenzake katika hafla ya kujitetea. Asante.

Madam Temporary Speaker, may I seek your guidance on whether during the cross-examination, our time stops running or it will still eat into our time? I am most humbled.

Sen. Wafula, the procedure was properly guided by the Speaker at the beginning. It is time for the governor’s counsel to do cross-examination. Let us allow that to happen.

The Speaker guided very clearly. Cross-examination is part of your time. Sen. Beth Syengo, proceed.

Kindly confirm your full names and what you do at the Meru County Assembly.

There is a gentleman who walks in. Kindly tell us who that gentleman is.

Do you want me to remind you of the question?

Witness, you are under oath. Please, stick to telling the truth while under that oath.

Did I cut you short or you were done?

You have responded, Mr. Clerk. Answer the other question.

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. As I was saying to those who are in hospitals and those who are at home, sick and injured, my prayers are with you and may you get well soon. To the business community, those who lost their properties, most of them even lost their...

Sen. Montet, just hold on. Hon. Senators, pursuant to Section 34 (2) (a) of the Standing Orders, I wish to invoke the powers to extend the period of this sitting by 15 minutes to enable Sen. Montet to be done at the end of the day. can be obtained from...

Sen. Montet, you have another 10 minutes.

Hon. Senators, it is now 6.41 p.m. Having concluded the business for which I extended the sitting hours pursuant to Standing Order No. 34 (2) (a) , the Senate stands adjourned until Tuesday, 9th July, 2024 at 2.30 p.m. The Senate rose at 6.42 p.m.