Catherine Muyeka Mumma

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No. 53 (1) to seek a statement from the Standing Committee on Health on a matter of national concern, namely, the prevalence of cholera and measures being undertaken to curb its spread across the country. In the Statement, the Committee should...

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. Mine is to briefly comment on the Statement for JLAHRC, and to congratulate the nation for moving to where we have reached. It is my hope that very soon the newly appointed members of the IEBC will be vetted and that they can begin...

Even the Senior Counsel says that. Madam Temporary Speaker, I was saying that even us, the Senators, who are here telling the young people to go and look for jobs, could not employ ourselves. We had to go and beg for a job from Kenyans to be here. Therefore, the...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker, for this opportunity. I will be brief. Firstly, I would like to congratulate Sen. Eddy Oketch for such a wonderful piece of law. I congratulate him because creative economy is something that has been ignored for many years. The creative industry enables one to use...

Sen. (Prof.) Kamar?

Next is Sen. Abass.

Sen. Sigei.

Hon. Senators, it is now 6.30 p.m., time to adjourn the Senate. Sen. Sigei, you have 17 more minutes. The Senate, therefore, stands adjourned until tomorrow, Wednesday, 14th May, 2025, at 9.30 a.m. The Senate adjourned at 6.30 p.m.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for the opportunity to comment on the statements. I will begin with the statement by Sen. Hamida. Monday was the World Midwives’ Day and yesterday was the World Mental Health Day for Mothers. I would like to commend her for raising these issues over and...

Sen. Chimera, proceed.

make sure that all those children in primary school, particularly in those counties where they still need affirmative action, are catered for?Today, Madam Speaker, if you go to Narok South, you will be shocked. There are places where children are still learning in mud-thatched houses. We need to first of...

It is okay, Madam Temporary Speaker. I will condense my thoughts and will be very quick. First, I am extremely proud to be associated with Sen. Thang’wa and we are from the same political formation. Moving this Motion is an extremely bold move. I stand here to support this Motion....

Sen. Veronica, I request that you follow the same trend, so that Sen. Mandago also gets a chance to speak.

Proceed, Sen. Mandago.

The Mover may reply.

Just give him 30 seconds to finish, please. Will that be adequate? Sen. Thang’wa Yes, Madam Temporary Speaker. It is good for us as a Senate and also the National Assembly, to think about the next generation when we come up with laws. We should make laws for posterity. Before...

What is your point of order, Sen. Oketch Gicheru?

Sen. Oketch Gicheru, what is your point of order and it is under which Standing Order?

(Loud consultations) (Loud consultations)

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, you have heard the point of order. Would you, please, withdraw your demands around the Principal Secretary and bring before this House, the matter in the proper manner for it to be discussed?

Yes, but first withdraw the demand.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, please, do not use unparliamentary language in respect of colleagues.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, you can finalise in 30 seconds.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, please, withdraw those words. Do not use unparliamentary language.

Sen. Mutinda, proceed.

You have 30 seconds Senator.

The last speaker will be Sen. Eddy.

Hon. Senators, we will defer Order Nos. 8 to 13. NOTING OF REPORT ON THE 14TH ASSEMBLY OF FP-ICGLR HELD IN ZAMBIA NOTING OF REPORT OF THE SENATE DELEGATION TO THE HLPF 2024 ON SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT THE PROVISION OF SANITARY TOWELS BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.7 OF 2024) COMMITTEE OF THE...

Senator, please focus on what you should do.

Sen. Ledama.

Sen. Chimera, please, proceed.

Order, Senator. Withdraw that.

Order! Senators, please, allow Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale to proceed.

Order, Sen. Kavindu! Please do not speak loudly on phone.

What is your point of order, Sen. (Prof.) Kamar? Please, sit down, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, unless you are able to demonstrate that---

Sen. (Prof.) Kamar, do you want to clarify what you said?

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, you need to demonstrate that the criteria applicable to a cabinet secretary was not met by the National Assembly or withdraw what you said.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale---

No, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale. You just need to explain how the two cabinet secretaries that you made reference to failed to meet the standards that is required of cabinet secretaries.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, the allegation is by you, not by Kenyans. Can you please just go to the point?

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, this is serious. You have not indicated the bar that they did not meet, please.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, it is not Professor insisting. It is the Chair who is asking you to withdraw because you have not demonstrated what I have asked you to do. Would you kindly withdraw?

(Applause) (Applause)

Sen. Mutinda, proceed.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, order. Please, listen to Sen. Mutinda. She listened to you as you presented.

Sen. Mutinda, would you like to be informed?

Senator, what is your information?

Sen. Osotsi, do not use that opportunity to speak. Proceed, Sen. Mutinda.

Sen. Mungatana.

I do not see Sen. Chesang, so the Mover may reply.

What is your point of order, Sen. Chimera? Sen. Cherarkey, please sit down.

Sen. Cherarkey, please apologise for using the words ‘flower girls.’

Please withdraw the use of the word---

No, you said Senators in this session and the previous session who have been ‘flower girls.’ Can you withdraw, please?

Please withdraw, I did not ask you to substitute.

Sen. Cherarkey, you are now crossing the line. Please do not use the words ‘flower girls’ in reference to any Senator. Please withdraw and apologise.

No, please withdraw.

No, you have not. Can you withdraw and apologise on record?

No, you have withdrawn and apologized, not by saying anything.

Sen. Eddy, proceed.

What is your point of order?

A point of order should be such that the person who was speaking said something. You seem to be agreeing with them. So, what is your point of order?

Hon. Senators, the Bill before as is framed in a language that is not there. It is up to this House to debate this Bill and determine in one way or the other if the Bill is necessary or not. You will get to do that when you vote. Let...

Sen. Chimera, please proceed.

Sen. Mungatana.

I call upon the Mover to reply.

Hon. Senators, it is now 6.30 p.m., time to adjourn the Senate. Sen. Orwoba, you have a balance of 27 minutes. The Senate, therefore stands adjourned until tomorrow, Wednesday, 16th April 2025, at 9.30 a.m. The Senate rose at 6.30 p.m.

Sen. Wambua, proceed.

Add him some few seconds to finalise.

Sen. Cherarkey, you only speak after being given a chance.

Sen. Cherarkey, please.

Sen. Cherarkey, once you have withdrawn and apologised, proceed to make your point.

Sen. Sifuna is sabotaging the partnership between ODM and UDA. He should go on record as such.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I would like to support this Procedural Motion. However, I was disappointed by the Selection Panel. I expected serious questions on integrity, but members of the IEBC Selection Panel are underwhelming because they have been asking kindergarten and pedestrian questions. I know you are an expert because...

Order, Members!

Sen. Cherarkey, proceed.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I will bring the names, I will bring the names of the opposition leaders who issued a presser objecting to the IEBC Selection Panel. The ODM was not among them.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I will bring the names of those opposition leaders next Tuesday.

Okay, thank you. On the issue of review and delimitation of boundaries of the constituencies, we must fastrack. For example, in Nandi, I have the biggest ward called Kilibwoni, which we would want to review. However, we have a number of protected constituencies that do not meet the criteria. Secondly,...

Sen. Cherarkey, please withdraw or indicate which leader.

Please, note that and continue with the Motion.

supposed to decide on what will be discussed in Parliament. If the commission was to approve, then the Speaker of the National Assembly, hon. Wetangula, should just write that letter and extend.

On a point of order, Madam Temporary Speaker.

Sen. Korir, let me guide you. (An hon. Member spoke off record) No, there is no point of order on another point of order. She has just explained. Can I first deal with the point of order that has just been explained by Senator? (An hon. Member spoke off record)...

The objection is to your assertion that the letter was written to the commission and not to Parliament. If you are not clear, you may want to withdraw that reference.

There is a point of order. Yes, Sen. Sifuna.

Sen. Sifuna, do you want to make reference to the letter? (Several Members spoke off record) I want him to read it for us to know who the letter is addressed to. your reference to the commission. If you have not seen the letter, the more reason you must withdraw....

Hon. Senators, I have requested the Clerk to get a copy of the letter. Where is the Mover? The letter should have been attached to the Motion. (An hon. member spoke off record) You can help the House? Are you able to help the House? Do you have it? Please.

Sen. Korir, please listen.

No, it is okay. That information is what we are looking for. Sen. Korir, can you proceed to the extent--- (An hon. Member spoke off record) No, it was a point of order. She was guiding the House that the letter should have gone through the PSC, and the PSC...

Order, hon. Senators! Please, it is---

What is your point of order, Sen. Cherarkey?

What is your point of order, Sen. Cherarkey?

Madam Temporary Speaker, my point of order is under Standing Order No.105, statement of fact. The letter was copied to the Clerk, not the Speaker. Number two, we do not waste time in this House, we debate. There is a difference between being written a letter and being copied just...

Madam Temporary Speaker, I had said this before and I will repeat. In this Senate, the Speaker does not receive letters. Letters are sent to the Clerk. In fact, from what he has said--- (Loud consultations) Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker.

Madam Temporary Speaker, the reason I am saying this is because if you look at this letter because now I can see the content. It was written to the Chairman of the PSC and that is why you are seeing the Clerk of the Senate is written here. It is...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I would like to request the hon. colleagues that we need to agree. (Sen. Cherarkey consulted loudly) I cannot apologize, my friend. This is a very important IEBC that we want to have because of a number of pending works that need to be done....

Madam Temporary Speaker, thank you for giving me the opportunity to oppose this Motion. Listening to what has been going on, I have just wondered what the powers of the PSC are. When did they become a medium for

Sen. Mandago, please proceed.

be extended for the selection panel to complete the process so that we can have an IEBC in place.Madam Temporary Speaker, successful or credible election is also determined by the amount of preparation that is put in place to ensure that logistical issues are properly addressed. We do not want...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I would like to contribute to this Motion. We know the hue and cry that superseded the selection of this panel. We know the long wait that the country had to endure before we got this panel in place as selected by the President. We...

Sen. Mandago, please proceed.

good people, this is just about the PSC and nothing about us and our differences as a House.

What is your point of order, Sen. Sifuna?

What is your point of order, Sen. Sifuna?

Senate Majority Leader, you can respond to that. Sen. Sifuna has explained why Members objected.

I now call on the Mover to reply. Proceed, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale.

Thank you Temporary Speaker. On behalf of the Chairperson of the Energy Committee, the Senator for Siaya, the Sen. (Dr.) Oburu Odinga, allow me to move the Motion on the Report of the Standing Committee on Energy on its inquiry into the Liquefied Petroleum Gas LPG Explosion in Mradi Area,...

Serjeant-at-Arms, would you kindly ring the Division Bell for five minutes? (The Division Bell was rung) Hon. Senators, pursuant to Standing Order No.84 (1) , I wish to determine that this matter does not affect counties. Clerk, can you ascertain that we have quorum? [The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted with the Temporary...

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT the Bill be amended by deleting the Second Schedule. Noting that the High Court in Issa, Elanyi Chemau Versus National Assembly Case No. HCPE423/2024 issued a conservatory order freezing funds held by the Kenya Roads Board collected as roads maintenance levy fund...

Division will be at the end. The Third Schedule (Question, that the Third Schedule be part of the Bill, proposed) The Temporary Chairperson ( Conditional Additional Allocations from proceeds of loans or grants from Development Partners for Financial Year 2024/25 (Kenya Shillings) Division at the end. Fourth Schedule

Division will be at the end. Clause 2, the Title and Clause 1(Question, that Clause 2, the Title and Clause 1 be part of the Bill, proposed) Division will be at the end. Can the Division Bell be rung for five minutes so that we go into Division? DIVISION ELECTRONIC...

Senate Majority Leader, please report. AYES: 27 NOES: Nil ABSTENTIONS: Nil DIVISION ELECTRONIC VOTING

(Applause) Hon. Senators, I will now announce the results. AYES: 27 NOES: Nil ABSTENTIONS: Nil DIVISION ELECTRONIC VOTING AYES: 27 NOES: Nil ABSTENTIONS: Nil

Sen. Chute, Marsabit County; Sen. Dullo, Isiolo County; Sen. Faki, Mombasa County; Sen. Gataya Mo Fire, Tharaka Nithi County; Sen. Githuku, Lamu County; Sen. Kavindu Muthama, Machakos County; Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, Kakamega County; Sen. Kisang, Elgeyo Marakwet County; Sen. Korir, Bomet County; Sen. (Dr.) Lelegwe Ltumbesi, Samburu County; Sen. Lomenen,...

Serjeant-at-Arms, can you ring the Bell for two minutes, please? (The Division Bell was rung) Serjeant-at-Arms, you may stop ringing the Bell. Please, close the doors and draw the bars. (The doors were closed and the bars drawn) Hon. Senators, we are now taking Division on the County Government Additional...

The results of the division are as follows - AYES: 32 NOES: Nil ABSTENSIONS: Nil Madam Temporary Speaker, I could maybe say this before I read my Statement. I hope the Senate Majority Leader can listen to this. We had sought money to upgrade the system. I am making this...

Order, Sen. Omogeni.

Sen. Omogeni, I was told you have a Statement.

(Loud consultations) LEADERSHIP AND OPERATIONAL CRISIS IN NYAMIRA COUNTY ASSEMBLY

There is one Senator in Nyamira County.

Hon. Members, we will give 30 minutes for comments. An. Hon. Senator: How many minutes per person? Three minutes per person. (Loud consultations) Order, Sen. Omogeni. Sen. Abbas has the Floor.

Sen. Wambua, please, proceed.

What is your point of order, Sen. Mandago?

Sen. Faki, please proceed.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale.

What is your point of order, Sen. Mandago?

Sen. Mandago, first, you have not been mentioned by Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale. So I think your point of order is misguided. Proceed, Sen. Khalwale. You do not have to respond.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, I already declared the point of order irrelevant. So, proceed with your point.

Give him 30 seconds to finish.

Sen. Madzayo, you may proceed. The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Madzayo) : Asante, Bi. Spika wa Muda. Ninataka kuchangia hii Kauli ambayo imeletwa na ndugu yangu, Sen. Omogeni. Hili ni jambo ya kusikitisha sana. Katika Kaunti ya Nyamira, kuna watu ambao wamesoma; kuna watu ambao wanaelewa kunaendelea namna gani. Kwa...

You may proceed, Sen. Omogeni.

Sen. Madzayo, you may proceed. The Senate Minority Leader (

Mpatie dakika moja. The Senate Minority Leader (

Proceed. I have, I did actually.

Sen. Beatrice Ogola.

Hon. Senators, we will defer Order No. 11 and pursuant to Standing Order No.45 (2) . I am reorganising the Order Paper so that we move on to Order No.19. THE COUNTY HALL OF FAME BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.18 OF 2023) THE STATUTORY INSTRUMENTS AMENDMENT BILL (SENATE BILLS NO. 10...

Hon. Senators, I will now propose the question. (Question proposed)

heightened campaigns, jostling and pushing for executive power because, one, the winner takes it all. Two is because there are only two positions.Madam Temporarily Speaker, we must have an expanded Executive where we have the President, the Deputy President, Executive Prime Minister, two Deputy Prime Ministers and we have a...

Proceed,

Hon. Senators, I will now propose the question. (Question proposed)

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Education regarding the proposal by the Kenya Secondary Schools Heads Association (KESSHA) to increase school fees for national, extra-county and county secondary schools, and to introduce school fees...

Hon. Senators, there is a Communication from the Chair about visiting teachers and students from Light Academy in Nairobi County. Hon. Senators, I would like to acknowledge the presence in the public gallery this afternoon of visiting teachers and students from Light Academy in Nairobi County. The delegation comprises of...

Sen. Mungatana. (Resumption of debate on Motion)

Is his time up? How many more minutes does he have? (The Clerk-at-the Table consulted with the Temporary Speaker) Sen. Mugatana, you have 14 more minutes. The system is faulty. Please come to the Dispatch Box.

Sen. Olekina, proceed.

We will hear from Sen. M. Kajwang’.

Sen. Mundigi.

Next is the Senator for Nyeri, Sen. Wamatinga.

I want you to hold on a little. Hon. Senators, I would like to extend the session in accordance with the relevant Standing Order by 10 minutes after 6.30 p.m. to enable the Mover to reply.

The Mover may now reply.

Thank you. Hon. Senators, it is now