Catherine Muyeka Mumma

Sen. Olekina, kindly, come and vote. (Sen. Olekina approached the Dispatch Box) (Vote tallying in progress) DIVISION ELECTRONIC VOTING NOES: Nil ABSTENTIONS: Nil AYES:31 NOES: 0 ABSENTIONS:0 DIVISION ELECTRONIC VOTING

Hon. Senators, the results for that Division are as follows- AYES: 32 NOES: Nil ABSENTIONS: Nil Hon. Senators, the results for that Division are as follows- THE AGRICULTURAL AND LIVESTOCK EXTENSION SERVICES BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.12 OF 2022) Sen. Abass, Sen. Sifuna, Sen. Oketch Gicheru and Sen. Kavindu Muthama please...

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for the opportunity to speak to this Report. First, I commend the team that they were able to come together from across the divide and discuss key issues that affect this nation. Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for the opportunity to contribute on this very...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker, for allowing me to make my contribution to the National Dialogue Committee (NADCO) Report. First, I thank the Committee that sat. I appreciate the good job they did. This Report also brought peace to this country. I appreciate them for taking their time for dialogue....

Madam Temporary Speaker, I have to pronounce myself on this because my name has been mentioned on a very serious issue. (Laughter) Madam Temporary Speaker, I have to pronounce myself on this because my name has been mentioned on a very serious issue. (Laughter) The point of order here is...

Did you say that under Standing Order No.104? Please, look at the---

I said he might because it is not necessarily that he takes things to go and use them. What I was trying to say is--- (Loud consultations) I said he might because it is not necessarily that he takes things to go and use them. What I was trying to...

Madam Temporary Speaker, I cannot withdraw something I did not say. I said Sen. Oketch Gicheru might because --- Let me explain. I said we have these things for free, and we do not necessarily need them the way our women need sanitary towels.

Yes. What I said is that Sen. Oketch Gicheru is my friend and sometimes we go for the short call together and we take these things for fun and we do not need them. So, he might even have them. That was what I said. (Laughter) Yes. What I said...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. Sometimes the conversations that happen in this House are mindboggling, when there are pertinent issues that need to be discussed, which include this NADCO Report. I wish to start my contribution by beseeching the Committee that they go away and consider an addendum to be...

Asante Bi Spika wa Muda kwa kunipa fursa hii. Kwanza, ningetaka kuunga mkono Ripoti hii ya NADCO. Nawapongeza viongozi ambao

Asante, Bi Spika wa Muda kwa kunipa fursa hii kuunga mkono ripoti ya Kamati ya uwiano ambayo iliwasilishwa na Kiongozi wa Wengi katika Bunge hili. Kwanza, natoa pongezi kwa viongozi wawili wakuu ambao walikubaliana kuwe na Kamati hii. Vile vile, wanakamati wote waliofanya kazi pamoja na watumishi wao kuhakikisha kuwa...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker, for this opportunity. The election period of 1992 and 1997 was chaotic and resulted in issues like property destruction in the country. At that time, we formed the Inter-Parties Parliamentary Group (IPPG) , chaired by Hon. Jillo Jarso Falana, MP for Saku, my MP. I...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker, for giving me this opportunity. First, I would like to commend the job well done by the NADCO team. Yesterday, the Senate Majority Leader, Sen. Cheruiyot, was very eloquent and quite sober in his brief. I commend them for the job well done. I know...

Under Standing Order No.105, is it in order for Sen. Kibwana to mislead this House that the taskforce did not give a report? If you check on this NADCO report that has been signed by both parties of Azimio la Umoja-One Kenya Coalition Party and Kenya Kwanza, it is indicated...

When you stand, you need to be clear. Please, cite the report.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I would be glad for Sen. Orwoba to substantiate and give us that report. I will withdraw if that is the truth. However, what I know for sure is that the taskforce has not submitted their report. I have asked the Senate Majority Leader, Sen. Cheruiyot, and...

Madam Temporary Speaker, let us not kill the “Baba” spirit because he has always supported the two-thirds gender rule. I commend our party leader, the Rt. Hon. Raila Odinga, for supporting the NADCO report. I support.

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I rise to support this national report. I am a scientist. Like all scientific minds, we believe in gradual progression. The fact that we have missed on some areas, but gained on others, is in keeping with the spirit of progression. I believe to an...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. Allow me to contribute to today's debate. Let me start by thanking the NADCO committee.

It is about the Air Conditioner (AC) levels in this House. I have had to walk out twice because it is a little too cold. To make it possible for all of us to be in the House, can it be reduced?

Thank you, Senator. Sen. (Prof.) Tom Odhiambo Ojienda, proceed. Sen. (Prof.) Tom Odhiambo Ojienda, SC: Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker, for giving me the opportunity to contribute to the NADCO report. Let me start by procedurally, thanking the team that sat together to deliberate over the many issues that bedevilled...

Madam Temporary Speaker, I am well informed. However, my learned friend wants to inform me.

Madam Temporary Speaker, under Standing Order No.105, we should not make statements that may be misleading to the public. We have heard it being said repeatedly by my good friend, Senior Counsel, that this report does not address the issue of the cost of living. However, if you go to...

Madam Temporary Speaker, I thank the Senator for Nyamira for informing me. However, my contribution was that the measures that are required to reduce fuel tax and other taxes were not agreed upon. When Sen. Sifuna contributed to this report, he pointed out that the cost of living and other...

Madam Temporary Speaker, I rise on Standing Order No.101 (4) , the idea that the Senator for Kisumu County is seeking to somehow impute an improper motive on me. When you say on national television that you believe that Sen. Oketch Gicheru has done an audit of the elections and...

Madam Temporary Speaker, I must pronounce myself on this matter because he has thrown a number of jabs at me a number of times, but I have just been keeping quiet. He is a senior counsel who by law knows all the institutions that can deal with the issue of...

Yes, I have evidence. I am aware the Sen. Oketch Gicheru did an audit of the elections. I am also aware that he was an advisor.

He showed me. So, I can look for him to give me the copy that was--- (Laughter) He showed me. So, I can look for him to give me the copy that was--- (Laughter) I will submit. I will get it.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I will supply the evidence by tomorrow. Let me move to the reconstitution of the IEBC. The proposal to reconstitute the appointing panel from seven to nine has ramifications on the IEBC Act. The IEBC Act, at the First Schedule, provides that the President appoints a seven-member...

Asante, Bi. Spika wa Muda, kwa kunipa fursa hii adhimu ili nami nitoe mchango wangu. Kwanza, ningependa kutoa heko kwa viongozi wetu Sen. Omogeni na Kiongozi wa Wengi, Sen. Cheruiyot, kwa kuweka kando tofauti zao za vyama vya kisiasa na kuweka taifa letu mbele. Kauli yangu ya kwanza ni kusema...

Yes.

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I am glad that Sen. Miraj has raised the issue that has been recurring on this two-thirds gender rule. I would like to inform her that the problem that we are having right now is not that proposals were not given. On page 165, 166...

Sen. Miraj said that she would like for those who were involved to come forward and apologize because, their input or lack thereof of their work is what has caused us to get here, in many words in Kiswahili. That is why I would like to inform her that the...

That is my point of information to Sen. Miraj. That, all the different committees and segments of people who brought their proposals did their input and it is not their fault.

Bi Spika wa Muda, nikiendelea ningependa wawakilishi wetu wa wadi wapewe mfuko ambao utawawezesha kufanya oversight role zao kama ambavyo ripoti ya NADCO imeweza kutupa sisi kama Maseneta. Kwa sababu Kiongozi wa Wengi yuko hapa, hata sisi kama wawakilishi wa jinsia katika Bunge hili, tuweze kuwezeshwa kufanya oversight ya maswala...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker, for giving me the opportunity to join my colleagues in, first, congratulating the NADCO for very nice negotiations. I congratulate them because we are reminded of the IPPG days. The return of something similar to IPPG reminds us that Kenyans know how to negotiate and...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker, for allowing me to also air my views to those of my colleagues. Firstly, I congratulate the principals; His Excellency the President and the former Prime Minister, Hon. Raila Odinga for their initiating the dialogue that brought the country together. It calmed down the noise...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I will start by submitting the fact that it is indeed important as a nation that we thank President Ruto as well as the right Hon. former Prime Minister Raila Amolo Odinga for taking the chance of dialogue. The price of peace is very expensive....

Madam Temporary Speaker, I rise to support the NADCO Report. Let me take this opportunity like my colleagues to thank the President and the Former Prime Minister, hon. Raila Odinga, for agreeing to engage and save Kenya from civil strife. I think this is where we were heading. So, let...

Hon. Senators, pursuant to Standing Order No.84 (1) , I wish to make a determination that the matter does not affect counties. Yes.

It is a tie because you were only two and one went for--- (Question put and agreed to) THE WATER (AMENDMENT) BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO.33 OF 2023) The Report has been taken on---

No. We are now on the Water Bill. My apologies. I did not realize you wanted to speak because it was not reflected here. Hon. Senators, any Member can debate on the Water (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bills No.33 of 2023) . Last time, we concluded with Sen. M. Kajwang’...

Madam Temporary Speaker, I rise to address significant concerns in the proposed amendments to how water as a commodity will be handled, especially concerning the proposals put in place in terms of privatising the sector. They are allowing private players to come in and play a significant role. Water is...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I wish to thank the colleagues who have taken time to debate on this Water (Amendment) Bill that is before this House. I have listened to colleagues speak on this, many in support and some with concerns. Unfortunately, many of those concerns like the ones...

The two gentlemen earlier on had informed us the kind of things they do in public washrooms. When you see them excited together, I am tempted to think other things. Madam Temporary Speaker, the point I was making is that when a Bill is proposed before the Parliament, I see...

It is so deferred. (Putting of the question on the Bill deferred) Next Order. THE PARLIAMENTARY POWERS AND PRIVILEGES (AMENDMENT) BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.37 OF 2023)

What is your point of order, Sen. Oketch Gicheru?

Clerks, do we have quorum? Serjeant- at-Arms, can we ring the bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) ADJOURNMENT Hon. Senators, having failed to attain quorum at the expiry of 10 minutes, the Senate stands adjourned, pursuant to Standing Order No.41 (2) (a) , until tomorrow, Thursday, 22nd...

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, for the opportunity to contribute to the conversation on the Water (Amendment) Bill, 2023. In my first three minutes, I had raised the need for this House to stay true to its mandate in Article 96; being the protection of devolution. I also urged...

Thank you.

Please, cite the Standing Order. Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, proceed.

Order, hon. Senators.

Proceed, Sen. M. Kajwang’. (Loud consultations)

Sen. Orwoba, “allegedly” means he does not know.

Order, Sen. Orwoba.

Sen. Orwoba, I wish to caution you under Standing Order No.121 (2) (a) , that if you cause any further disruption on the proceedings, I shall ask you to exit the Chamber for the remainder of the day. Let us all comply.

Hon. Senators, I wish to request us to interrupt the debate momentarily and go back to Order No.5. We have a few important Papers to be tabled by the Majority Whip. (Interruption of debate on Bill) Proceed, Majority Whip. PAPERS LAID BUDGET POLICY STATEMENT FOR FY2023/2024 MEDIUM TERM REVENUE STRATEGY...

Hon. Senators, I wish to invoke my powers under Standing Orders No.45 (2) on the sequence of proceedings and suspend the debate on the Water (Amendment) Bill to the next sitting where Sen. (Dr.) Murango will be the first person to speak. Let us move to address Order No.8. The...

Sen. Mungatana.

Just a moment Senator. The people who had logged in and do not wish to speak on this should log out so that we know who wants to speak on this. Proceed, Sen. Mungatana.

Sen. Kisang’.

Where is the Mover? I just saw the Mover step out. Pursuant to Standing Order No.84 (2) , I wish to make the determination that the matter does not affect counties and put the question. (Question put and agreed to) Next Order. Hon. Members, it is just four minutes to...

Sen. Kisang, you have the Floor.

Proceed Sen. Mungatana, MGH.

Proceed, Sen. Ogola.

Sen. Thang’wa, proceed.

Sen. (Prof) Tom Odhiambo Ojienda, you may have the Floor.

Thank you, the tennis player is Angela Okutoyi. Proceed, Sen, Murgor.

Hon. Senators, having concluded debate on the Adjournment Motion and further to Standing Order No.34 (7) , the Senate stands adjourned until Tuesday, 20th February, 2024 at 2:30 p.m. The Senate rose at 6:28 p.m.

Sen. Cherarkey?

Order, Sen. Shakila Abdalla and Sen. Lemaletian. Can we listen, please?

Sen. Orwoba, proceed.

Hon. Members, I have a Communication. (Interruption of debate on Bill) COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR VISITING DELEGATION FROM OTHAYA BOYS SCHOOL, NYERI COUNTY (Applause)

Sen. Olekina, please proceed.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, proceed.

Sen. Omogeni, proceed.

Sen. Mungatana, proceed. Sen. Mungatana, MGH: Madam Temporary Speaker, I thank you for giving me the opportunity to make my contributions to this Bill. Let me start by acknowledging the work that fellow colleague and neighbour, the Hon. Sen. Osotsi has put into this; the thinking that is beyond doubt,...

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, for the opportunity to speak on this very important issue. It is indeed a dark Valentine because our society has decided that they will normalise the killings of girls and young women in this country. The best evidence of the fact that it is...

Chairperson, Select Committee on County Public Accounts. Sen. Cherarkey, you may proceed. ACTIVITIES OF THE COMMITTEE ON COUNTY PUBLIC ACCOUNTS

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker, I just want to clarify if we will be able to have a chance to comment on the reports made by the chairs of the different committees. ACTIVITIES OF THE COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC INVESTMENTS AND SPECIAL FUNDS ACTIVITIES OF THE COMMITTEE ON DELEGATED LEGISLATION

I have already ruled, Sen. Crystal Asige. Sen. Githuku, please proceed. MAINTENANCE OF THE LAMU-GARSEN ROAD

Chairperson, Select Committee on County Public Investments and Special Funds, quickly make your Statement in a few minutes. ACTIVITIES OF THE COMMITTEE ON COUNTY PUBLIC INVESTMENTS AND SPECIAL FUNDS

The Senate Majority Leader, please proceed. BUSINESS FOR THE WEEK COMMENCING TUESDAY, 13TH FEBRUARY, 2024

Order, Sen. Cherarkey. Can you consult with the senior counsel in low tones, please?

Next Order. THE PUBLIC SERVICE (VALUES AND PRINCIPLES) (AMENDMENT) BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO. 46 OF 2022) Hon. Members, we will now move to Order No.32. THE NATIONAL CONSTRUCTION AUTHORITY (AMENDMENT) BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO. 59 OF 2022 THE STATUTORY INSTRUMENTS (AMENDMENT) BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO. 2 OF...

Who is seconding?

Madam Speaker, Sir, it is only fair that all Members get time to share on this. Therefore, the proposal by Sen. Methu is in order, and I do second.

It is so ruled. Sen. Orwoba, please, proceed.

Proceed, Sen. Methu.

Proceed, Sen. Methu.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, proceed.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, proceed.

Sen. Githuku, please proceed.

Proceed, Sen. Cherarkey.

Proceed, Sen. Lemaletian.

Sen. Nyamu, you may have the Floor.

Sen. Nyamu, you may have the Floor.

Sen. Abbas, you have slightly less than three minutes.

Hon. Senators, it is now 1.15 p.m. time to adjourn the Senate pursuant to Standing Order No.34 (2) (a) . The Senate, therefore, stands adjourned until Tuesday, 13th February, 2024, at 2.30 p.m. The Senate rose at 1.15 p.m.

Sen. Mungatana.

Proceed, Sen. Tabitha Mutinda.

There are no more request. I know call upon the Mover to reply.

Sen. Nyamu, did you bow when you walked in? Can you go back and bow, kindly?

It is so deferred. (Putting of the question on the Bill deferred) Hon. Senators, I will reorganize the Order Paper slightly. Let us proceed to consider Order No.24. Second Reading THE WATER (AMENDMENT) BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO.33 OF 2023) Senate Majority Leader, you have the Floor.

Sen. Mungatana, you have the Floor.

Sen. Tabitha Mutinda.

Sen. Oketch Gicheru, please proceed.

Sen. Oketch Gicheru, you will have a balance of two minutes, when debate on this Bill resumes. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Senators, it is now, 6.30 p.m., time to adjourn the Senate. The Senate, therefore, stands adjourned until Tuesday, 5th December, 2023, at 2:30 p.m. The Senate rose at 6.30 p.m.

Sen. Cherarkey, you have been indulged for a short while and you know the debate is Shakahola. You are stretching it too long. Please, move to Shakahola now.

True but the focus is on Shakahola. You know what I mean.

What is your point of information, Sen. Tabitha Mutinda? Sen. Cherarkey, there is a point of information. Do you want to be informed?

Madam Temporary Speaker, first, I take this opportunity to thank the Ad Hoc Committee for the work they have done. I also thank the many witnesses who took time and had an opportunity to come before the Committee to give their testimony. By the time the Committee finished their work,...

Sen. Tabitha Mutinda, I understand you seconded this Motion. We will now give chances to other Senators. Proceed, Sen. Crystal Asige.

Sen. Miraj, please proceed.

Sen. Abass!

There are no more requests. I call upon the Mover to reply.

(The Senate Majority Leader (Sen. Cheruiyot) walked into the Chamber) Senate Majority Leader, kindly approach the Chair. Madam Temporary Speaker, I beg to move- THAT, the Senate adopts the Report of the Second Ordinary Session of the 6th Pan-African Parliament (PAP) held in Midrand South Africa from 15th May to...

Proceed, Sen. Cheruiyot.

Sen. Chute, proceed.

There is no other request, so, I call upon the Mover to reply.

Pursuant to Standing Order No.84 (1) , I wish to make the determination that the matter does not affect counties and put the question. (Question put and agreed to) Next Order. THE TEA (AMENDMENT) BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.1 OF 2023) Sen. Cheruiyot.

Sen. Thang’wa, please, proceed.

Hon. Senators, it is now 6.30 p.m., time to adjourn the Senate. The Senate therefore stands adjourned until tomorrow Thursday, 30th November, 2023 at 2.30 p.m. The Senate adjourned at 6.30 p.m.

Madam Temporary Chairperson. I beg to move- THAT Clause 4 of the Bill be amended by inserting the following new paragraph immediately after paragraph (d) - Division will be at the end. Clause 4The Temporary Chairperson ( Madam Temporary Chairperson. I beg to move- THAT Clause 16 of the Bill...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Chairperson. I beg to move – THAT the Bill be amended by inserting the following new clause immediately after clause 26 - Breach of the Act 26A. A person who contravenes a provision of this Act commits an offence and is liable, on conviction, to a...

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I beg to move- THAT Clause 3 of the Bill be amended in paragraph (e) by deleting the words “services industry” appearing immediately after the words “in the extension” and substituting, therefore, the word “service”. (Question of the amendment proposed) The Temporary Chairperson (Sen. Abdul Haji)...

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I beg to move- THAT Clause 10 of the Bill be amended - Division will be at the end. Clause 2, the Title and Clause 1(Question that Clause 2, the Title and Clause 1 be part of the Bill proposed) The Temporary Chairperson ( Mr. Temporary...

Sen. Mungatana, you have the Floor.

There is no other request for speaking. I now call the Mover to reply.

It is so postponed to the next sitting. (Putting of the Question on the Bill deferred) Next Order. (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted the Speaker) Hon. Senators, allow me to reorganise the sequence of the Order Paper. I wish to call on Order No.21. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON THE PROLIFERATION OF RELIGIOUS...

Sen. Mungatana, you will have a balance of 25 minutes to finish moving the Motion. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Senators, it is now 6.30 p.m., time to adjourn the Senate. The Senate, therefore, stands adjourned until Tuesday, 28th November, 2023, at 2.30 p.m. The Senate rose at 6.30 p.m.