Catherine Muyeka Mumma

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for the opportunity to also celebrate the heroes and heroines who have been mentioned. My profuse apologies in the manner in which I behaved. Even though I am Member of the presidium, it is because Hon. Amos Wako was my boss for nine years. He...

You have one minute.

Proceed, Sen. Okenyuri.

Sen. Madzayo, you may proceed. The Senate Minority Leader (

One minute, please. The Senate Minority Leader (

Hon. Senators, in the interest of time, we will close our contributions on Statements and move on to the next order. Next Order. THE COUNTY HALL OF FAME BILL (SENATE BILL NO. 18 OF 2023) However, we should ensure the process is fair, allowing the individual a chance to be...

Order, Sen. Mariam. You are crossing, please, go back and do the right thing. (Sen. Mariam Omar walked to the Bar and bowed to Chair) Sen. Omogeni, I am calling you to order now. What you are discussing is not what you are supposed to be discussing, so now, please...

Sen. Omogeni, I am calling you to order now. What you are discussing is not what you are supposed to be discussing, so now, please close. Sen. Omogeni, please do not try to persuade me further. You know what to do if you want us to discuss the Bill, you...

Order, Senator; Commissioner. Are

Sen. Methu and Majority Leader, please, consult in low tones.

Sen. Okenyuri, please proceed. I would like to request for those who are left if you can indulge by speaking for a short time.

Order, Senators! Sen. Eddy, can we please not consult in the manner that we are doing? Let us have some silence.

Sen. Kisang’, you are behaving in a disorderly manner.

Sen. Methu, please proceed.

Is there a point of order, Sen. Eddy?

Sen. Eddy, I did not hear any implication. Please, withdraw or give a proper point of order. Sen. Methu?

Order, Sen. Ledama. Let Sen. Methu make his contribution within his time.

Order, Sen. Methu. Proceed with your contribution.

Sen. Beatrice Ogola.

I now call upon the Mover to reply.

Hon. Senators, I will now reorganize the Order Paper. I wish to defer Order No. 9. We will now move to Order No.10. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON PETITION ON THE CHANGARA WATER PAN, BUSIA COUNTY THE COUNTY OVERSIGHT AND ACCOUNTABILITY BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.3 OF 2024)

Hon. Senators, I will now propose the question. (Question proposed) is the best solution to the actual problem when it comes to the question of public participation. For me, we would want to tie the loose ends by even ring-fencing the process from political interference----

Hon. Senators, it is now 6.30 p.m. time to adjourn the Senate. The Senate, therefore, stands adjourned until tomorrow, Thursday, 9th October, 2025 at 2.30 p.m. Sen. Sifuna will have a balance of 15 minutes to contribute to this Bill. The Senate rose at 6.30 p.m.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table of the Senate, today, 7th October, 2025 on behalf of the Chairperson, Standing Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations- REPORT ON INQUIRY INTO COMMERCIAL BANK ACCOUNTS OPENED AND OPERATED BY COUNTY GOVERNMENTS

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for giving me the opportunity to speak. I would request that you indulge me with two minutes to say something about being in Busia County. You were welcomed by Sen. Khalwale and Sen. Osotsi. However, Sen. Khalwale did not acknowledge that I come from this...

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I really appreciate. However, allow me to just say something little about Hon. Julia Ojiambo. This is the first woman to join the University of Nairobi.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, thank you for respecting the Constitution of Kenya. I am sure the elders in Western Kenya are watching and they will be appalled that anyone can purport to speak for them in the manner in which Hon. (Dr.) Khalwale has done. Be that as it may be,...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I will not be too lengthy. I congratulate our colleague Sen. Miraj on this Bill. She has picked a topic that is one of the neglected functions in this country. According to the Fourth Schedule to the Constitution of Kenya, 2010, the function of...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. The point the Senator makes is well taken. We have other communities such as the Maasai and Luo in more than one country. Coming together, we would actually bring a very rich product if the counties took this seriously. Hon. Deputy Speaker, I am...

Sen. Cherarkey, do you want to be informed?

Sen. Maina, you know how a point of order should be. Sen. Cherarkey, I will direct that you be sensitive not to denigrate any hero in this country.

Sen. Cherarkey, if you could actually focus on your presentation.

Sen. Cherarkey, res ipsa loquitur. Please, proceed to finish.

Proceed, Sen. Osotsi.

Sen. Osotsi, allow me to interrupt a little. For Senators who have not spoken, colleagues have requested that you take a little less time. We know that you have all your time by right, but please take a little less so that they can also speak.

Order, Sen. Mariam Omar, do not walk in here like it is your house. Please, go back and bow. (Sen. Mariam Omar walked to the Bar, bowed and walked into the Chamber)

No, no, Sen. Osotsi. Can we have Sen. Tobiko now?

Sen. Omtatah.

Sen. Beth Syengo. Sen. Beth, are you ready?

The fighters who fought for the freedom of this nation did not come from one region. Kenyans from all corners contributed. Paul Ngei was in prison with Jomo Kenyatta. We know about that. We cannot talk about the Mau Mau as the only people who fought for the freedom of...

Order, Sen. Beth, nobody has said Mau Mau were the only ones. So, make the point about that.

Sen. Veronica, I think I have dealt with the issue.

Sen. Maina, what is your point of order?

Sen. Beth, I am the one in the Chair.

Sen. Maina, she has not done what you are saying she has done. If you are raising a point of order, raise it.

Sen. Maina, I have ruled that the words are not denigrating. Sen. Syengo, I have requested that because of the sensitive manner in which this issue is --- (An hon. Senator spoke off record) Senator, are you in the Chair or am in the Chair? An hon. Senator: She has...

Sen. Kinyua, that is a point of information, not order. Could you finish that point of information? I just wanted to guide you that it is a point of information, not order.

Sen. Kinyua has explained what Mau Mau means. From what he is saying, Mau Mau is not restricted to people from Mount Kenya. What is your point of information, Sen. Kajwang’?

Sen. Kajwang’, I did not want you to contribute on this.

Order Sen. Veronica! (Loud consultations) Order Sen. Veronica!

Madam Temporary Speaker, that is his interpretation. We know other means. Anyway, as I was saying, during the struggle, the late Hon. Phoebe Asiyo led a group of women who visited the Kapenguria Seven. These ones also made their contribution. Phoebe Asiyo comes from Nyanza. Kitili Mwendwa from Kitui was...

Hon. Senators, it is now 6.30 p.m., time to adjourn the House. Sen. Beth, you will have eight more minutes when this debate resumes. The House will resume tomorrow, Wednesday, 8th October, 2025, at 9.30 a.m. The Senate rose at 6.32 p.m.

Let us have the Chairperson. PROGRESS REPORTED THE COOPERATIVES BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO.7 OF 2024)

Who is seconding?

Sen. Veronica Maina, please, approach the Chair. (Sen. Veronica Maina consulted the Temporary Speaker (Sen. Mumma) Hon. Senators, Order No.16 and 17 had earlier been called and after consultations, it has been agreed that they be deferred to the next sitting. COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE THE LABOUR MIGRATION AND MANAGEMENT...

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for the opportunity to ask a question. I welcome the CS to the Senate. Mr. Speaker, Sir, my question to the CS is, would you kindly tell the Senate whether your Ministry has been allocated adequate budget to ensure that no school in Kenya is...

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. My question takes into account the fact that the bulk of the education function is with the national Government. Also, that in the last three or four months, we have been discussing the multiple parallel programmes around education by the NG-CDF, yourselves, the President, philanthropists...

Hon. Cabinet Secretary, since we already have that presentation, I request you to summarise the remainder of the information because Members would want to ask questions. The Cabinet Secretary for Tourism and Wildlife (Hon. Rebecca Miano) : Yes. The other policies we have are enhanced coastal beach management, capacity building...

Hon. Senators, now we move to questions by Senators. Please, remember the rules, so that everybody can have a chance. One question per Senator. Go straight to the question so that everybody gets a chance. Sen. Osotsi, please proceed.

The question, Sen. Osotsi. Do not be tempted to go that way.

Mheshimiwa tumefanya mengi kutatua changamoto hiyo ambayo tulielezwa kuihusu siku hiyo. Rais alituamuru tuhakikishe kwamba hayo yametatuliwa.Nina furaha kukujulisha kuwa kupitia DIS, mambo hayo yametatuliwa. Kuanzia mwezi wa kumi hadi mwezi wa tatu ambapo ni wakati wa kuja kwa meli na cruise ship, tunatarajia kupata wageni wengi kutoka kwenye meli...

Sen. Oketch, please proceed.

CS, you may answer those then we take the next ones. The Cabinet Secretary for Tourism and Wildlife (Hon. Rebecca Miano) : Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker and Members. It is true that our diplomatic missions in various countries are the front line or point of access into those countries....

Next is Sen. Faki.

Proceed, Sen. Kisang.

Sen. Mandago, I have indulged you in two questions. Cabinet Secretary, you will answer two questions only; the one on cable cars and the other one on sports tourism. I am told Sen. Faki will ask a question on behalf of Sen. Madzayo.

It is only one question please.

Sen. Consolata, you are guided by the rules. It is one question. Have you asked the question?

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Sen. Consolata, you are guided by the rules. It is one question. Have you asked the question?

No, just one question. That is the rule.

Thank you, Senator. Hon. Cabinet Secretary, you have under seven minutes to answer all those questions. The Cabinet Secretary for Tourism and Wildlife (Hon. Rebecca Miano) : Temporary Speaker and hon. Members, in terms of the budget, I do not have the exact figures today, but I would be willing...

Hon. Cabinet Secretary, you can proceed and respond to the two questions. The Cabinet Secretary for Tourism and Wildlife (Hon. Rebecca Miano) : Madam Temporary Speaker, I beg your pardon. The standards for the cable car are yet to be finalised by the Kenya Bureau of Standards (KeBS) . We...

Sen. Cherarkey, you are not discussing, you are reading the Motion as is. Please, read it as is.

Hon. Senators, it is now 1.00 p.m., time to adjourn the Senate. Sen. Cherarkey will have 15 minutes to continue moving the Motion when scheduled next in the Order Paper. The Senate, therefore, stands adjourned until Wednesday, 1st October, 2025, at

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. On behalf of the Chairperson, Committee of Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations, I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table of the Senate today, 25th September, 2025- Report of the Standing Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations on a Petition to the Senate...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. On behalf of the Chairperson, Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations, I beg to give notice of the following Motion- THAT, the Senate adopts the Report of the Standing Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations on a Petition to the Senate by Mr. Japheth...

Please give Sen. Catherine one minute to conclude. Sen. Mumma: The human rights approach to service delivery means that in order to deliver good services to patients, all aspects have to be looked into. That is what this Committee needs to do rather than just focus on a personality somewhere...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I hope my time has been saved. The issue of KNH is a good statement. Thirteen years into devolution, the Senate should be helping to strengthen the intergovernmental relations around the health sector, to help align the Nairobi City County health function implementation and the...

Sen. Madzayo, would you kindly allow me to guide you? We have actually moved on to the next Order, and are on the Schedule. I was expecting you to speak on the Schedule. The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Madzayo) : Madam Speaker, I accept that with tremendous respect. However, I...

Finalise whatever you are saying, then we will move to the next Order again. We will call it afresh. The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Madzayo) : As a good lawyer, I was thinking of respecting instructions. ADOPTION OF REPORT OF THE STANDING COMMITTEE ON FINANCE AND BUDGET ON THE COUNTY...

Kwanza, ningependa kusema kwamba, hospitali inayotegemewa sana katika nchi yetu ya Kenya ni hospitali kuu ya Kenyatta. Hii ni hospitali ambayo ina wapa matumaini mengi sana wananchi wa Kenya.Bi. Spika wa Muda, ni jambo la aibu kuona hospitali hiyo ikianza kuzorota. Juzi, tulisikia ya kwamba mgonjwa ambaye alikuwa ameletwa katika...

Our people need to get drugs in hospitals. It pains me when I am in the village and I see women carrying sick children, or even women and men who are sick. When they are sick and they go to hospitals, but they miss drugs in the name of funds...

Finalise whatever you are saying, then we will move to the next Order again. We will call it afresh. The Senate Minority Leader (

procurement? Why do they not want to use e-procurement if IFMIS is being used by every county and also nationally?Madam Temporary Speaker, with those remarks, I support the Motion.

Next Order. (A Member spoke off record) No, I want it recalled because of the disorganisation of the Order, please. ADOPTION OF REPORT OF THE STANDING COMMITTEE ON FINANCE AND BUDGET ON THE COUNTY GOVERNMENTS (EQUITABLE SHARE) CASH DISBURSEMENT SCHEDULE FOR FY2025/2026

Madam Speaker, in due respect, I support the Motion by Sen. More Fire.

Madam Temporary Speaker, the resolutions read by my respective Senator create employment and social development in our nation. I will give a case study. We have been hearing about housing. However, recently we met this reality in Turkana County where more than 2,000 houses are planned to be built, especially...

achieving an unprecedented growth of 7.2 per cent. We shall remember Kibaki. Thanks to this, we were able to construct the Thika Superhighway.Out moved Kibaki, in came Uhuru. Despite the confusion around the Jubilee Government and all the noise, Uhuru built the Standard Gauge Railway (SGR). He went on and...

Sen. Lomenen, you may proceed.

It is Sen. Mo Fire. (Laughter)

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, you are just squandering your time. Please focus on what you are saying. Could you withdraw the allegation that Cherarkey is paid to harass you? Let us focus.

What is your point of order, Sen. Sifuna?

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, that is self- explanatory. Please withdraw.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, would you just withdraw what you said if you are withdrawing and move on with debate?

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. From the onset, I want to be very clear that I stand to oppose these regulations in the report by the committee recommending that we support them. Senator knows that I have a lot of respect for him, but I have reasons why I think...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale and Sen. Cherarkey, no conversation. You speak through me.

who will be able to afford those houses will already be exhausted because the number is at 387,000 people only who can afford these houses. We have problems with this---

No. I am teaching. I am in the middle of imparting information. Please, do not. What do you want to inform me? You will have your own opportunity to do this. Hon. Speaker, please, I do not like to be interrupted. This is what they do. There is another provision...

Madam Temporary Speaker, you know for a fact that there is no point of order. It is one of those frivolous attempts to derail debate.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I want Sen. Sifuna to withdraw and apologize. The much I know is that this is a House of legislators and debate. I have not captured any student from this House. So, nobody is being taught. As much as I have a lot of respect for Sen....

Sen. Sifuna, can you be informed?

What is your point of order, Sen. Mo Fire? (Sen. Gataya Mo Fire spoke off record)

Let him raise the point of order.

Executive on the implementation. With that, people who have serious questions and doubts on things such as size and even cultural sensitivities can use that opportunity to ask their questions.Sen. Sifuna has said that where he comes from, people would want to live in the house with chicken. So, can...

Senate Majority Leader.

Proceed, Sen. Mo Fire, to inform the Leader of the Majority. Use the dispatch desk. I think there is some defect. I believe the Majority Leader is very right. This is just a matter of procedure and format. We had to bring this issue that is attracting national debate. It...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for the opportunity to speak to these regulations. I begin with a dilemma that we must resolve as a House. The committee, in its report, has clearly indicated that the executive did not comply with the law. It actually did not submit these regulations within...

Proceed, Sen. Mungatana.

Sen. Wambua.

Sen. Cherarkey.

Sen. Ledama.

Sen. Nyamu, proceed. Senate Majority Leader, what is the issue?

Hon. Senators, in view of the fact that the time has run out and there are other serious business, I wish to rule and ask Sen. Nyamu to indulge us and pass. (Hon. Senator spoke off record) All right. Sen. Nyamu, I will give one from each side an opportunity....

Next Order. IMPLEMENTATION OF AN AUTOMATED AND DECENTRALISED CERTIFICATE OF GOOD CONDUCT SYSTEM. Could the Mover now reply? Hon. Senators, I now put the question. (Question put and agreed to) Next Order. NOTING OF REPORT OF THE PARLIAMENT OF KENYA DELEGATION TO THE 2025 HEARING OF THE IPU HELD AT...

What is your point of order, Sen. Sifuna? (Sen. Cherarkey spoke off record)

Sen. Khalwale, Sen. Sifuna has explained himself the second time. Your allegation that he may have heaped praises on governors in Mombasa intended to suggest that compromise of oversight is mistaken. He has explained the context and I would wish that you abandon that line of argument. Proceed.

(Loud consultations)

Sen. Khalwale, can you substantiate? Kindly substantiate about the merger of ODM and UDA.

Order, Sen. Khalwale. Can you focus on the issue?

Senate Majority Leader.

That is fine.

Sen. Sifuna, you have the Floor.

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. From the onset, I support this Motion. It is more of a Procedural Motion. However, I want to correct a misconception that was advanced by my neighbor, that when we are on dates with girls and wives, they pay our bills. They do not. In...

Order, Sen. Cherarkey. I am not aware of anything.

Order, Senator. It is Sen. Wakwabubi.

It is Wakwabubi.

Say it correctly; it is Wakwabubi.

What is your point of order, Sen. Ledama.

will be re-elected in 2027. Those are facts that are in that TIFA report. I will table it tomorrow in the afternoon as per your guidance.In conclusion, let us appeal that this money go to the people, so that they can get value. This is their tax. That is what...

will be re-elected in 2027. Those are facts that are in that TIFA report. I will table it tomorrow in the afternoon as per your guidance.In conclusion, let us appeal that this money go to the people, so that they can get value. This is their tax. That is what...

Thank you. Counsel for County Assembly, your time left is two hours and 21 minutes. It is displayed there. We can now move on to Counsel for Governor for cross-examination.

Counsel for the Governor, you have one hour and 44 minutes left. Back to Counsel County Assembly.

Is that microphone on? Please, adjust it.

Yes, go on.

Your request has been noted. It will be taken into account. Next witness, please.

Just hold on and hold the time. Can I have the two leaders; Minority and Majority Leaders here? (The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Mumma) consulted with Sen. Cheruiyot and Sen. Madzayo) For the first witness we had, we would like to request that he should not leave because the hon. Senators...

Counsel for County Assembly, you now have two hours, one minute. We now move on to cross-examination. Counsel for Governor, please proceed.

Thank you. Counsel for Governor, you have one hour, 34 minutes. Counsel for County Assembly, any re-examination?

Hon. Senators, anybody with a question for the witness before we step her down? Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, proceed.

Yes, Sen. Omogeni.

Can we move to the next question? I do not think the witness has to explain transactions that have nothing to do with this hearing. Next is Sen. Osotsi. Sorry, I had not seen---

Sen. Cherarkey, quickly. You have one minute.

Next is Sen. Mungatana.

Let Sen. Onyonka ask his question, then you will answer both.

Hon. Senators, we will now step down that witness and move on to--- (Sen. Mandago spoke off record) Okay, one minute only. Proceed, Sen. Mandago.

Sen. Mandago, she is here as a witness for the County Assembly. Therefore, I will protect her from that kind of question. Sen. Tabitha, quickly.

Sen. Joe Nyutu, quickly and then the witness can answer the two questions.

The witness may answer the question, but ignore the bit on the fraud. Answer the question on why you and the other CECMs did not stop it.

Okay, we have three more Senators. Sen. Eddy, let us do one minute each, so we move on. I believe we have quite a number of it.

Let us get the other two questions and then you answer all of them. Sen. (Prof.) Kamar, you may proceed.

Proceed, Sen. Okiya Omtatah.

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I also wanted to ask to the witness, after your termination, have you appealed? Have you gone to court over the same now that you know the process has not been followed by the Governor on the termination of a CECM? One more. Sen. Seki,...

You may now answer the questions.

Sen. Mwaruma, please, move to the next microphone, it is on.

Yes, proceed.

The witness may now be stepped down please, so that we move on to the next witness. Counsel for County Assembly, can you kindly indicate how many witnesses you have, so that we see how best to manage the time and you have two hours, one minute left. (The witness...

That is very well. Who is the next witness you want to bring on board?

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker and Alfred for that. Kindly state your full names again for the record purposes and also tell us how you are associated with Kericho County Assembly.

Order, hon. Senators. Please, can we listen to the witness in silence?

Can you be clear on that? You want him to share his login credentials?

You may proceed.

Is it how to vote? What is it?

Hon. Senators, it is now 6.30 p.m., time to adjourn the Senate. The balance of time for the County Assembly is one hour, 30 minutes for evidence of witnesses and re-examination. The balance of time for the Governor is one hour, 34 minutes for cross-examination. The Senate, therefore, stands adjourned...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, please give Notice of Motion. NOTICE OF MOTION ADOPTION OF JOINT REPORT ON APPROVAL OF NOMINATION OF MR. PIUS ANGA’SA AS BOARD MEMBER OF THE CBK

Sen. Oketch, what is your point of order? (Interruption of debate on Motion) ADOPTION OF JOINT REPORT ON APPROVAL OF NOMINATION OF MR. PIUS ANGA’SA AS BOARD MEMBER OF THE CBK

Sen. Cherarkey, you have the Floor.

(Loud consultations)

Hon. Senators, I will now put the question. (Question put and agreed to) Next Order. Hon. Senators, pursuant to Standing Order No.45, I wish to reorganise the Order Paper. We move to Order No.24.

Mover, proceed.

We are cognisant of the fact and it has been in this House that a lot of money has been channeled through county governments to pay external advocates and law firms for litigation or arbitration. This is in situations where a county could have engaged qualified in-house legal experts to...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, I am advised there is no such Standing Order, though there is a practise on what you are saying. Hon. Members, the bell is already ringing. Let us see whether we can mobilise to have 15 Members in the House. (Several Senators walked into the Chamber) (Resumption...

Hon. Senators, I will now put the question. (Question put and agreed to) Next Order. Hon. Senators, pursuant to Standing Order No.45, I wish to reorganise the Order Paper. We move to Order No.24. THE OFFICE OF THE COUNTY ATTORNEY (AMENDMENT) BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.47 OF 2024) Mover, proceed.

Proceed, Sen. Cherarkey.

I do not see other requests. The Mover may therefore reply.

Your request is agreed to. (Putting of the question on the Bill deferred) ADJOURNMENT Hon. Senators, it is now 6.30 p.m. time to adjourn the Senate. The Senate, therefore, stands adjourned until Tuesday, 9th September, 2025 at 2.30

Sen. Mariam, you have a balance of 54 minutes. You may proceed.

Sen. Cherarkey, please proceed.

Sen. Abass, you may proceed.

Sen. Faki. You may proceed.

Sen. Nyutu, please, proceed.

Sen. Joe Nyutu, proceed to move the Motion.

Hon. Members, can we reduce on the consultation and listen to Sen. Omogeni, please?

Senate Majority Leader, what is your point of order? Sen. Omogeni, please.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I am doing this building up on the submissions.

What is on record?

Sen. Omogeni, what is on record and on which record? (Sen. Sifuna spoke off record) Sen. Sifuna, please, let the Chair respond to this.

No, Sen. Omogeni. The Senate---

He said that you have imputed an improper motive by saying that, for once---

Sen. Omogeni, if you listen to me, then you will--- It is not about the dictionary. We are not doing the analysis. (Sen. Omogeni spoke off record) Please, listen to me. He says you have imputed an improper motive by suggesting that, for once, he is admitting that Parliament is...

Sen. Omogeni. (Loud consultations)

Sen. Omogeni.

Madam Temporary Speaker, he has even made it worse now and turned it into an insult. Firstly, the Senator for Nyamira wants to arrogate himself powers that he does not have. He cannot pretend to be the judge of character in this House. Secondly, if you want to do so,...

No, you need to sit down, then we will protect everyone. Senate Majority Leader, explain why you said that it is worse.

Sen. Sifuna, can you let Sen. Omogeni respond or withdraw, please? (Loud consultations)

Sen. Omogeni, let me explain this and I would like you to respect the Chair. Your assertion that the Senate Majority Leader is never on the right side of history is imputing an improper motive. Can you substantiate that?

Yes.

Sen. Sifuna, you are informing Sen. Omogeni and not debating.

Yes.

Sen. Sifuna.

Are you trying to help him to define the meaning of “improper motive”?

Do not abuse the space to make your own point. Please, sit down.

I am rising on Standing Order No.101 (4) . If you want to discuss the conduct of your colleague, you should bring a substantive Motion. Within three days, after the approval of the Speaker, that matter is brought here. I can understand the person who is misinforming him. That is...

Sen. Sifuna, please. Sen. Omogeni, please hold on. Senate Majority Leader, what is your point of order?

Senate Majority Leader, please focus on the point of order on the issue at hand.

Sen. Omogeni, your point was not put the way you are putting it now.

If it is okay now, you will have to withdraw. (Laughter) Every time I step forward to speak, Sen. Cherarkey pops up like a popcorn. Can he allow me to make my contribution? Sen. Cherarkey, please listen to Sen. Omogeni, and Sen. Omogeni, stop the exchange with Sen. Cherarkey. Please,...

Thank you, Senator. Proceed with your point. (Laughter)

Senator, the Chair is presiding over the House and not for the party.

Imputing an improper motive on a colleague. Please, do so.

Sen. Cherarkey, withdraw what you have just said.

Sen. Cherarkey, can you withdraw your suggestion that the House is being run by ODM? Sen. Cherarkey, can you withdraw? I heard that very well.

I have ruled, Sen. Cherarkey, please sit down. Let Sen. Omogeni proceed. (Sen. Cherarkey spoke off record)

Sen. Cherarkey, withdraw what you have just said.

Sen. Cherarkey, can you withdraw your suggestion that the House is being run by ODM? Sen. Cherarkey, can you withdraw? I heard that very well.

Sen. Cherarkey, I heard that as the Speaker and I am directing that you withdraw it.

Thank you.

Sen. Cherarkey, this is the last time I am warning you. If you keep disrupting the House, I will throw you out. (Applause)

Sen. Cherarkey, what is your point of order?

He mentioned you in what context?

Sen. Cherarkey, please, sit down. You are not going to use this---

Sen. Cherarkey, please, sit down so that Sen. Omogeni can respond to the issues you are raising. I have asked Sen. Omogeni to respond to your point of order and you are arguing with me?

Senator for Kiambu, Sen. Omogeni is first responding to the point of order.

Sen. Thang’wa, you have done the information. That is what I am saying. He is informed. Sen. Sifuna.

Yes, Senator.

Senator, you have made your information.

Sen. Thang’wa, you have done the information. That is what I am saying. He is informed. Sen. Sifuna.

Yes, Senator.

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker and Sen. Omogeni, for allowing me to inform him. I will also help you when you are presenting those names. I will bring you the registration certificate of St. Mary's Hospital, Mumias where Sen. Sifuna was born, which was founded in 1932. It has always...

Do you want to be informed by Sen. Khalwale?

employ everybody. These unemployed youths cannot all be absorbed by the Public Service Commission. Therefore, when we reject regulations that are going to make it burdensome for investors to come, we are doing the right thing as the Senate of the Republic of Kenya.Madam Temporary Speaker, I want to assure...

Sen. Omogeni, proceed. I have rejected the point of clarification.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I said I am not sure whether to support or oppose. The majority and minority side of this House always fight for the same Government. When you mention the name Ruto, they will come up with points of order. When you mention that name, there will always...

Sen. Cherarkey, what is the point of order?

Sen. Thang’wa, can you use the correct language? It is a majority or minority.

Sen. Thang’wa, just before you proceed, the last time I checked the records, I think you are a majority Senator. I think what we need to take into account that every Senator here has the freedom to contribute as they wish.

It reminded me of that debate. I do not know if you recall, when Moi University was facing closure and Sen. Kajwang’, who went to Moi University, was asking, what he would tell people when they ask him which school he attended? How can you make reference to an institution...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I rise to appreciate the Committee on Delegated Legislation led by the Senator for Tharaka Nithi County, Sen. Gataya Mo Fire. I was looking at the issues the Committee examined. Yes, we are trying to address the issue of public participation, which was last conducted...

Proceed, Senator.

Sen. Tabitha Mutinda, proceed.

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I also take this opportunity to put my voice on the Report of the Committee on Delegated Legislation, chaired by Sen. Mo Fire, on nulling the environmental report. Sincerely speaking, I support and thank the Committee for going against what is not supposed to be...

core business of this House is to legislate and, today, this House has absolved that law as power.I do not want to go into details of why we recommended for annulment of the report because that matter has been properly processed by quite a number of debaters who have been...

Sen. Seki.

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I would like to move this Motion on behalf of the Chairperson. I beg to move: - THAT, the Senate adopts the Report of the Standing Committee on Energy on the County Oversight and Networking Engagements in Wajir County laid on the table of the...

The putting of the Question is so deferred. (Putting of the question on the Motion deferred) Next Order. (The Clerk at the Table consulted the Temporary Speaker) Hon. Senators, pursuant to Standing Order No.43, I hereby wish to reorganize the order of business and call that we move on to...

Sen. (Dr.) Oburu, you may proceed.

individuals. They must be called to order. They are the ones in collusion with local contractors. We need to be fair to Kenyans. If there is a project in Siaya, why would you take a contractor from Nairobi? How will the economy of Siaya grow? Why would I take a...