Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I am properly guided. However, the way I read the Standing Orders is that the pressure arises if you mention somebody adversely or the name of someone who cannot defend himself on the Floor of the House.

Sen. (Dr) Khalwale Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise under Standing Order 105 to challenge Sen. Osotsi to produce in this House, a record of any tribal clashes between Kakamega and Nandi along our common border. (Applause)(Applause)(Applause)

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Mr. Speaker, Sir, I withdraw for now. (Laughter) Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Having withdrawn---

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Mr. Speaker, Sir, my mind is pushing me to speak. (Applause)An.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have a history in this country. I have dealt with those mandarins at the National Treasury. In fact, the country sometimes remembers me for the work I have done at the National Treasury. It is ridiculous that somebody can sit and award a...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I strongly support this Motion. There is no greater urgency to debunk the lie that our towns are not ripe for city status than to give you the example of the Republic of Estonia. Estonia has a population of 1.3 million...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale However, I am a responsible State officer who understands the principle of collective responsibility.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I stand under Standing Order No.105 to appeal to my colleague that even if he has grounds for substantiation, let this Motion bring us together and contribute towards peace. When we use this Floor to state categorically that the police are aiding one...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I hope you are holding my time. Hon. Senator, through the Temporary Speaker, this arrogance and entitlement that if a Luo is dying, then I am a Luo Senator, I should be seen to be shouting the most, does not make you a...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale On a Point of Order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. with your indulgence, before I respond, please allow me to thank His Excellency the President on behalf of the people of Kakamega, Shinyalu Constituency, Ileo village for making history in our community. He has appointed Amb. Fredrick Matwan’ga as Kenya’s High Commissioner...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale For those of us who socialise a lot in the rural areas, I meet Sen. Cherarkey in Nandi County when I am attending funerals of my relatives. I meet Sen. Cherarkey in Kakamega County when he is attending funerals in my place. I meet Sen. (Dr.) Oburu...

Sen. (Dr) Khalwale Point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. Five minutes is short for one to speak on instability in Turkana County and in Sondu. Allow me to dwell on Sondu because of the active nature of what is happening there. The youth politicians are the problem in Sondu. Before...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale I will look like the most stupid State officer if I fail to use other channels open to me to pursue this matter and instead make pronouncements here. For that reason---

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale I stand guided, Mr. Speaker, Sir. All Senators have agreed that this is an important Bill. Nevertheless, because of who the Speaker is today, allow me to remind Members that this is a Bill which comes at a time when our hon. Speaker is regretting that he...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale I have done nothing wrong. (Laughter)

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, the Standing Orders are clear that a Member shall not impute improper motives to another. I understand her naivety and that she is a green horn. She is yet to comprehend the value of family. I also understand that she has never fought...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I rise to make a Statement on behalf of the Senate Majority Leader on the business of the Senate for the week commencing 10th October, 2023. Pursuant to Standing Order No.57 (1) , I hereby present the business of the Senate for...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Mr. Speaker, Sir, I want to apologize---

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. It will pay for Senators, if they want to challenge others on a point of order, to start by paying attention to what that Senator has said. I have not – and the HANSARD will bear me out – said in...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, if I heard correctly from the Senator for Homa Bay, he was challenging me on the Standing Order of relevance. Had he been listening, I was talking about population, where we have made a useless law that says if a town does not...

Sen. (Dr) Khalwale Point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am properly guided. My younger brother, Sen. M. Kajwang’, whom I campaigned for in Kendu Bay and Ndhiwa in Homa Bay, when his brother, who was almost my age and used to sit over there passed away, would love for me to draw...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for the honour. I take this opportunity to warmly welcome the delegation. I hope they are going to find their visit to the Senate fruitful. I urge them to visit all the corners of the Senate and, if possible, talk to the...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I beg to lay the following Paper on the table of Senate, today, 5th October, 2023- The annual report of the National Police Service Commission for the Financial Year 2022/2023. I thank you. (Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale laid the documents on the Table)

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Yes, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, for your indulgence. The issue raised by the Chair of CPISFC and by the Senator for Kiambu County who is also a Member of CPISFC is monumental. They need to make a formal submission to the House so that this House...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I hate to interrupt my young colleague, but did you hear him say that there are Senators here who are protecting governors who are corrupt? I rise under Standing Order No. 105 to request that he substantiate because I am definitely not one...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale 12,000 kilometres.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Mr. Temporary Speaker--- October 4, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 39

Proceed, Sen. Wafula. COURT RULING AGAINST THE MANAGEMENT OF ST. JOSEPH’S LUMBOKA PRIMARY SCHOOL

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, we are still on statements pursuant to Standing Order No.52. TEMPORARY SUSPENSION OF UASIN GISHU COUNTY ASSEMBLY BY THE HIGH COURT Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale What is your point of order, Sen. Mwaruma?

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Thank you. Proceed, Majority Leader.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I have two Statements to read. DISTRIBUTION OF MAIZE DRYERS TO FARMERS

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Let us move to Statements pursuant to Standing Order No. 53 (1) . The Statement for Sen. James Murango is dropped.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, we are still on statements pursuant to Standing Order No.52.

Let us move to Statements pursuant to Standing Order No. 53 (1) . The Statement for Sen. James Murango is dropped. MISMANAGEMENT OF FARMERS’ COOPERATIVE SOCIETIES IN TURKANA COUNTY

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Proceed, Sen. Wafula.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. Allow me to congratulate the Cabinet Secretary. He is one of the Cabinet Secretaries who take our calls and call us. Hon. Cabinet Secretary, before I ask you my question, allow me to invite you to the provisions of Article 35 of...

Sen. (Dr) Khalwale On a point of order, Madam Temporary Speaker.

Sen. (Dr) Khalwale Madam Temporary Speaker, I very well understand the concerns of the Senator for Nandi County. However, the communication that explained that the Cabinet Secretary for Youth Affairs, Sports and the Arts was unable to make it this morning, was not in your possession as the Speaker this...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. This Petition which I support is a wakeup call and food for thought. A wake up call to the extent that we realize the need to amend the Constitution and make it more user friendly. When affirmative action was introduced in the...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for that privilege. It is a fact that I am the Senator for Kakamega County, but a good neighbour of Kisumu County. I take this opportunity to welcome our visitors. I wish to inform them that your Senator, Sen. (Prof.) Tom Ojienda...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. The House will recall that we were part of the team that envisaged the creation of this ad hoc Committee. It gives me a lot of pleasure to see that this Committee was necessary. Now that the Committee is coming at the...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity to reply. I take this opportunity to thank the Members of this House who have contributed to this extension of days. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, we have met several stakeholders, including the victims. We also called their lawyers in...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. This Bill is another clear indication of the commitment of the Kenya Kwanza Government to entrench devolution in this country. This Bill comes barely three months since His Excellency, President William Samoei Ruto signed into law the County Allocation of Revenue...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity to reply. I take this opportunity to thank the Members of this House who have contributed to this extension of days. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, we have met several stakeholders, including the victims. We also called...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Madam Temporary Speaker, Sen. Mungatana is one of the ranking Members is this House and he is moving a Motion which is different from the one that we have on the Order Paper. Could we be guided on why the Motion reads seven days and he is...

Thank you, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale. I do not seem to have any other Member who is willing to contribute to the Motion. I, therefore, call upon Sen. Kavindu Muthama to reply.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale

Sen. (Dr.) KhalwaleThey are many. Sen. Mungatana on my right. I also see Sen. Cherarkey son of cattle rustle---

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Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I believe Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale did not listen to the total contribution of Sen. Tabitha Mutinda. If you have heard the sentence correctly - and you might need to go back to the HANSARD - you will understand where I am coming from....

Do we have them here? Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale The other one of cattle rustler was a slip of the tongue. (Laughter)(Laughter)(Applause) The other one of cattle rustler was a slip of the tongue. (Laughter) (Laughter) (Applause)

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale On a point of order, Madam Temporary Speaker.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Mr. Speaker, Sir, I thank you for that communication. I also congratulate Sen. Orwoba for her humility because before that order, she has been observing the decisions of this House. That said Mr. Speaker, Sir, could you clarify to whom that order was directed? (Applause)

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Thank you, Mr. Speaker Sir. Indeed, this was a great experience in many ways; our own way of life, how people earn their own livelihood, but more importantly, the role of the Senate to county governments. Whereas everything that we did went on in a seamless manner,...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I wish to add my voice to the comments pertaining to the land in Pumwani. I urge the Committee to take this matter very seriously. It is about time Kenyans realize that not every Kenyan can own a piece of land. Two,...

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Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Not a question. I wanted to comment on the proposed amendment by Sen. Mbugua. I was worried that since Sen. Mungatana’s proposal is catered for, it might be detrimental to the proposed amendment by Sen. Mbugua. Sen. Mbugua’s amendment is an improvement on the Bill because PWD,...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale

Thank you, Cabinet Secretary. From my screen, I am unable to know who is interested in a Supplementary Question because some of the Members here are not in the Chamber. The Senate Majority Leader.

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Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I appreciate the Cabinet Secretary for finding time to come and respond to questions from Members, a couple of kilometres away from the Capital. This is important to us and we appreciate that they found time for this. I have a Question for the...

We have made good progress. First, let me acknowledge that this is the first time the Mining Ministry has been allocated resources to function. Therefore, I want to thank His Excellency the President and Parliament for the allocation.Through that process, we have concluded the geo survey that was happening across...

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Cabinet Secretary (CS) , thank you for your time. September 27, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 56 ADJOURNMENT September 27, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 57

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Hon. Cabinet Secretary? The Cabinet Secretary for Mining, Blue Economy and Maritime Affairs (Hon. Mvurya) : Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. It is true that the Government of Kenya imposed a moratorium on licenses in 2019. The reason given that time was to be able to...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale On a point of order, Mr. Speaker Sir.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale This is serious. They will go ahead to say, “In fact, that 18- year-old girl I have known from the record, has sickle cell.” The moment you tell them the girl has sickle cell, intelligent parents will google and the girl will be denied an opportunity to...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. The Constitution of Kenya 2010, divides the Fourth Schedule into two parts. Part I assigns functions to the national Government and Part II to the county governments. Due to the provisions in Clauses 13 and 14, we might like it or...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Mr. Chairman, Sir, just a small matter of procedure. Since this might attract a lot of interest, I request that we limit debate to five minutes.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table of the Senate, today, 27th September, 2023- Report of the Standing Committee on Finance and Budget on the County Governments Additional Allocations Bill (National Assembly Bills No.23 of 2023) . Thank you,...

Thank you, Sen. (Dr.) Murango. Hon. Senators, having no other Senator willing to contribute, I now call upon the Mover to reply.

Sen. (Dr) Khalwale(Laughter)

Sen. Wambua, you may have the Floor.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwalemoment for the whole House. As we support this Bill and pass it into law, we are doing it from Turkana County.Mr. Speaker, Sir, allow me to thank the leadership of Turkana County led by the Senator for Turkana County, Sen. Lomenen, together with the people of Turkana...

zitatengwa kujenga barabara na kutengeneza miundo msingi. Zile fedha wakati mwingi hazirudi kwenye bajeti ya hospitali.Mswada hauko kamili, lakini kuna nafasi ya kuufanyia marakebisho. Kwa sasa, tuvumilie tu, tuupitishe ili tutengeneze njia ya kuhakikisha kuwa zile pesa zinazoletwa na wagonjwa zinatumika kwenye hospitali.Kuna hospitali kubwa na ndogo. Wakati matabibu sawa...

Bw. Naibu Spika, Mathayo 20:16- “Yesu akamaliza kwa kusema, “hivyo, walio wa mwisho watakuwa wa kwanza na wa kwanza watakuwa wa mwisho.” Siri ni kufika ukiwa umechelewa ili uweze kuongea mapema. (Laughter) September 26, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 59

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for the opportunity to welcome these students. You said they were here for a learning experience. I also take this opportunity to encourage others out there because this Senate is very different from the last Senate. We are a mixture of those who were here...

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Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Next order. (Applause)

I will make the following communication before the Clerk calls the next Order. September 21, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 23 COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR ONGOING SENATE INTERNSHIP PROGRAMME IN THE SENATE

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale

Sen. (Dr.) KhalwaleMr. Speaker, Sir, during the last recess, the Senate held two Special Sittings on 29th and 31st August, 2023. At these special sittings, the Senate considered and passed a Motion on the establishment of the National Dialogue Committee, the Public Finance Management (Amendment) Bill, (National Assembly Bills No.16...

Next order. September 21, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 24 ADOPTION OF REPORT ON APPROVAL OF MR. ANDREW MUKITE MUSANGI FOR APPOINTMENT AS CHAIRPERSON OF THE CBK BOARD

Before debate was interrupted, Sen. Thang’wa had the Floor and he has a balance of 12 minutes.

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Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for allowing me to acknowledge the presence this afternoon of our visitors from Marsabit County Assembly. September 21, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 3 Sen. (Dr.) KhalwaleGood people, you are most welcome to the Senate. As you go back to Marsabit County, please, teach...

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Then proceed. Sen. (Dr.) KhalwaleMr. Speaker, Sir, we must aggressively protect our children. As a firm believer in family and in the beauty of children, I am so proud that I am seconding this Bill.These people of the so-called e-cigarettes have even added flavours, so that children who are even...

Hon. Senators, you may now proceed to make your interventions and I will start with Sen. (Prof.) Kamar.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, would you wish to be informed by Sen. Tabitha Mutinda. Proceed, Senator. Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Yes, I would wish to be informed.

Thank you, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, for allowing me to inform you. This is in regards to your mention on single mothers. You mentioned that children born from single mothers tend to get into certain behaviours in this country. Not all of them. I am an example of one. I am...

Sen. (Dr.) KhalwaleHaving struggled to explain this new idea, the nearest idea I can speak to vaping is; I do not know if it is this long smoke they call shisha. This is a real threat. I have a little girl from my own family who was born out of...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, would you wish to be informed? Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale I am politely asking her to restrain herself. I will embarrass her further by exposing her lack of medical knowledge.

Would you wish to be informed or would you not? Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale I do not wish to be informed.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, for this great opportunity to support this report to have the Chairman of CBK, Mr. Musangi. I know the Chairman is coming at a time where the country is asking itself on which way to go when it comes to cryptocurrency....

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I therefore support the Committee's Report. This is because I believe that if we punish our child, it is in keeping with the age-old phrase spare the rod, spoil the child. I support.

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, and Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale for allowing me to inform you. You needed to add, on top of the gracious women you have named, just say there are people who have beauty with brains. Some of the beauties have no brain. Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Mr....

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale(Laughter) September 20, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 45 Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Secondly, I speak mainly to the nominated Senators from Samburu and Mombasa counties. You are young people. We love young people because we have some in our houses. It is up to them. They can stay here and...

Kenya can go that direction to spur development. Look at the Thika Super Highway and the Ruaka-Ruiru- JKIA Bypass. That road has created jobs. That road was done through that kind of deficit balances. It can spur growth and therefore, the Government can borrow from itself.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I did not know that was coming. I appeal to all of us, with maximum respect, these clerks who are seated here, it is just a question of making a decision. They can become Senators, MPs or Presidents. Let us stop looking down...

money in the cryptocurrency awaiting to get a few more extra cryptos because it is something that they use to earn money.Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I am a believer of cryptocurrency and actually own a few coins because I want to understand it. Some people call crypto a scam. If...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity to contribute to this debate on the Report of the Power and Privileges Committee of the House. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, first of all I want to state that the House has its own rules and...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I just wanted to say---

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale I am carrying you along, ‘my daughter.’ I can assure you, I am very tough on my daughters. I am not saying they are good but I am very tough on them. I want these people who are driving this gender thing to know that there is...

Hon. Senators, I see a lot of interest to contribute to this Motion. I would like to call upon Sen. Thang’wa.

Sen. Thang’wa, you still have 12 minutes to conclude your contribution when this Motion resumes on the Floor of the House. ADJOURNMENT

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. You are almost an elder like myself, and I wish you many years. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, they almost destroyed Dr. Martin Luther King but when they failed, they shot him. Guys, ladies and gentlemen, Hon. Senators, there was a great...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Yes.

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, for this great opportunity to support this report to have the Chairman of CBK, Mr. Musangi. I know the Chairman is coming at a time where the country is asking itself on which way to go when it comes to cryptocurrency. According to the...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, can I just conclude? She is Greenwood's wife but busybodies of gender kept on pushing him until Greenwood was unable to kick a ball for a whole year. Finally, even the people whom people think are devils--- I am a private and confessed...

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Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Sen. (Dr.) Murango, proceed and conclude.

Hon. Members, it is now 6.30

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I would like to congratulate Sen. (Prof.) Kamar for giving me this opportunity to second this very important Bill. This is a very important matter and it is not surprising that a medical expert is the one seconding it. Sometimes the House...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I apologize to my sister, Sen. Kavindu Muthama if in any way my statement was an affront to preachers. However, doctors will tell you that hearing is a manifestation of successful communication. That is why we are making a Bill today for...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Certainly, the gracious lady may inform me.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale[The Speaker (Hon. Kingi) left the Chair] [The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) in the Chair] August 31, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 31 [The Speaker (Hon. Kingi) left the Chair] [The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) in the Chair] Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale The amendments that have been proposed as

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale I give you 30 seconds.

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