Murungi Kathuri

Do we have quorum? (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted the Deputy Speaker) Serjeant-at-Arms, ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Order, hon. Senators. We now have quorum. Let us start our business. Clerk, kindly read out the first Order. (Sen. Ali Roba consulted Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale) Order,...

Next Order. NOTICE OF MOTION ADOPTION OF REPORT ON PETITION ON INCOMPLETE INVESTIGATIONS AND FAILURE TO ARREST AND PROSECUTE SUSPECTS OF THE ABDUCTION AND DISAPPEARANCE OF MR. JOSHUA GICHUKI MWANGI Sen. (Dr.) Lelengwe, give Notice of that Motion.

Before we move on to the next Order, let me make this Communication. Hon. Senators, I would like to acknowledge the presence in the Public Gallery this afternoon, of visiting teachers and students from Ruthagati High School in Nyeri County. The delegation comprises 75 students and three teachers, who are...

Very well. Next Order. QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS STATEMENTS We have Statements under Standing Order No. 53 (1) . Sen. Kavindu, proceed. STATE OF STADIUM FACILITIES IN MACHAKOS COUNTY

Next is Sen. Eddy Oketch.

Yes, proceed. FORMATION OF MINING POLICE UNIT TO HELP CURB ILLEGAL MINING, SMUGGLING AND MONEY LAUNDERING

Let us now go to the Statement pursuant to Standing Order No.57 (1) by the Senate Majority Leader. BUSINESS FOR THE WEEK COMMENCING TUESDAY, 10TH JUNE, 2025

The record did not capture what he said. The Chairperson is here and he cannot talk on behalf of the Chair of the Committee on Finance and Budget. Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, next time, I will give that responsibility to your deputy, Sen. (Dr.) Lelegwe. I will ask him to do...

Aeleze pia mlima ni wapi. Two minutes, Sen. Munyi Mundigi.

Sen. (Dr.) Boni Khalwale, you may proceed.

Sen. Joe Nyutu, you have the Floor.

Hon. Senator, you should train your eyes on the lights, so that you do not overrun the highway. Sen. Wambua Enock, you may proceed.

Sen. Nderitu John Kinyua, you may proceed.

The ratio is two to one, almost going to three to one, and also I cannot see you on my screen. There is no Standing Order which describes what the Chair should do when you are giving Members a chance to contribute. Maybe the technicians can check on your gadgets....

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I support the statement by Sen. Seki on the shortage of vaccines. At Independence, there were three major things that the founding fathers promised to sort, which were disease, ignorance and hunger. It is a pity that after over 60 years of Independence, we...

Just a minute Sen. Kajwang’. Sen. Boni Khalwale, what is your point of order?

We are concluding on the comments in the next five minutes. Sen. Mungatana Danson.

Last but not the least, Sen. Osotsi.

Last but not the least, Sen. Osotsi.

remarkable life, and extends its heartfelt sympathy and condolences to his family, friends and the nation. Hon. Senators, when the Chair is up standing when you are out, no Senator should utter even a word. Senate Majority Leader, familiarise yourself with the Standing Orders. You must be attentive because the...

I invite Senators to contribute to this Motion, not to the original Motion, but to this amendment moved by Sen. Okongó. If you did not get the import of the amendment, then we can benefit from the wisdom of the Chair of the Committee who will explain what had happened...

Hon. Senators, before I allow another contributor, I have this communication to make. (Interruption of debate on the Motion) COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR VISITING DELEGATION FROM MERU COUNTY (Applause)

Next time I will give you that privilege.

Proceed. (Resumption of debate on the Motion)

Clerk, do we have quorum? (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted with the Deputy Speaker) Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) I confirm that we now have quorum. Clerk, read the first Order. Sen. Danson Mungatana, you have a Notice of Motion to give. Either...

Next Order. QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS STATEMENTS STATUS OF INSURANCE COVERAGE FOR HOSPITAL ASSETS COUNTRYWIDE

Proceed, Sen. Hamida Kibwana. PUBLIC HEALTH THREAT POSED BY ANTI-MICROBIAL RESISTANCE (AMR)

I will allow brief comments for 15 minutes before we proceed to statements under Standing Oder No.58. Proceed, Sen. Maureen Tabitha.

Hon. Senator, as I said, we should do brief comments in under three minutes. Proceed, Sen. Oburu Odinga.

Proceed, Sen. Mungatana Danson.

Proceed, Sen. Beatrice Akinyi.

Proceed, Sen. Murango James.

Proceed, Sen. Kisang William.

I am unable to see Members properly.

Sen. Chute, please proceed.

What is your point of order, Sen. Abass?

Unfortunately, my ears did not capture that word “Wamunyoro”, but Sen. Chute can clarify what he said. I did not hear that.

Sen. Mohamed Faki, what is your point of order?

Sen. Mariam Sheikh Omar.

Sen. Thang’wa Paul Karungo.

Hon. Senators, in my earlier communication, I had allocated 20 minutes for the Statements Hour. However, I have realised that the system for the Senators seated on the left side was not working. I will give just two Senators from this side; Sen. Osotsi Godfrey and Sen. Sifuna. (Sen. Seki...

Next is Sen. Hamida Kibwana.

Last but not the least, we have Sen. Seki Lenku.

Sen. Fatuma Dullo, you have a Personal Statement under Standing Order No.58. PERSONAL STATEMENT DISPARAGING REMARKS BY HON. ABDI IBRAHIM HASSAN, GOVERNOR OF ISIOLO COUNTY

Sen. Dullo, do not be encouraged by the Senate Majority Leader to disobey the Chair. I will allow two Senators to contribute.

Hebu tusikie huyu mzee wa Kericho County anasema nini. Sen. Cheruiyot Aaron, please, proceed.

Sen. Wambua, please, proceed.

As we conclude, let us hear from Sen. Hezena Lemaletian.

Sen. Roba Ali Ibrahim, please proceed.

Hon. Senators, I understand the interest in this matter, but we have to conclude with the Chairperson of Kenya Women Senators Association (KEWOSA) , Sen. Hamida Kibwana. Are you the former chairperson or the current chairperson? Can you confirm?

Hon. Senators, I have been approached by the Chairperson, Standing Committee on Finance and Budget, that there are some issues to be sorted out pertaining the Order No.8. Therefore, Order No.8 is deferred. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON THE FOURTH BASIS FOR ALLOCATING SHARE OF NATIONAL REVENUE AMONG COUNTIES (Motion deferred)...

Sen. Peris Tobiko.

Now, I invite the Senators to make their contributions. We will start with Sen. Wambua Enoch.

Indeed, I have confirmed that we are short of six Senators in the Chamber. Therefore, I request the Serjeant-at-Arms to ring the Querom Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) [The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) left the Chair] [The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Abdul Haji) in the Chair]

What is your point of order?

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want to comment on the Statement by Sen. Cherarkey. The person that we are talking about here is a man who lived by faith. He was a man who, if you had the opportunity to grow up in a Sunday school or a Madrassa, you...

Asante Bw. Naibu Spika kwa kunipa fursa hii kuchangia Taarifa ambayo imeletwa Bungeni na Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale kuhusu kucheleshwa kwa kumalizika kwa miradi kadhaa katika Kaunti ya Kakamega. Hili limekuwa donda sugu katika kaunti nyingi. Utapata Magavana wanaingia ofisini na kupuuza miradi iliyoanzishwa na magavana waliotangulia. Kwa mfano, kule kwetu...

Thank you. I declined the same request, and I am not able to do that. Sen. Veronica, I will give you that favour next time. I know you are my good friend. Sen. Hezena Lemaletian, proceed.

If you wait a bit longer, maybe after the next Order, you might get an opportunity to prosecute that issue, but the time was limited to three minutes. COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR VISITING DELEGATION FROM KANYUAMBORA BOYS HIGH SCHOOL, EMBU COUNTY Hon. Senators, this communication was read earlier, but unfortunately,...

Bw. Naibu wa Spika, hakujatangazwa lakini unajua kuna Waziri alipewa kiti na ile siku Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission (IEBC) itatangaza, kutakuwa na by-election. Ninajua Kiongozi wa Wengi atakuwa kule kwa sababu ameongea maneno ya hii shule, masaa mawili yaliyopita. Naibu wa Spika (Sen. Kathuri) : Asante, Sen. Mundigi. Next...

Just a minute, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale. Sen. Mungatana, what is your point of order?

Maybe, he is disagreeing with the Report of the Committee, which is also allowable in our Standing Orders. Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, Sen. Mungatana wants to be educated on why you are exonerating Dr. Steven from the negligence that led to the death of Jepkorir?

We also recommend that within three months after tabling of this Report, there should be an investigation by the Kenya Medical Practitioners and Dentists Council (KMPDC), leading to untimely death of Annita. They should investigate the professional conduct of the officer whose name I cannot remember. They should do an...

I have gone through the report. At some stage, the negligence is attributed to the fact that lead consultants were not called in to assist the team of doctors who were trying to save that young girl. That hospital serves a big catchment area, including Nyamira region. Many of our...

The Chair has no issue with that. It is you to accept to be informed.

Go ahead, Sen. Cherarkey.

Sen. Okong’o Omogeni, there is a point of Order from Sen. Mandago.

December, they did not raise these issues. I want to urge my brothers from the Kisii region to also know that as a leader, the best you can do is to pitch for some of these things to happen in your region. They are allowing Baba to go ahead of...

Yes, Senate Majority Leader, what is your point of order?

Sen. Omogeni, there is another point of order from Sen. Cherarkey.

His time is over. He has no more airtime. You know, it is rare for the Chair to give comments when he is chairing. However, the Chair can advise. My good friend, Sen. Okong’o Omogeni, if you know the President is in your region, for example, and if you see...

Sorry, just a minute, Sen. Mungatana. I wish to give a communication, but before I do, let me hear what the Senate Majority Leader wants to say in one minute, kindly.

Sorry, just a minute, Sen. Mungatana. I wish to give a communication, but before I do, let me hear what the Senate Majority Leader wants to say in one minute, kindly.

(Laughter)

Sen. (Dr.) Boni, you have just come in. You do not know where we have come from. You do not know the genesis of this, where we have come from. You have just come in. First, consult the HANSARD. I was reminding Sen. Omogeni that the President was in Kisii...

No explanation is given to Kenyans that you need to know this can happen, this can go wrong, this can go right. All the time, and it is repeated. I am sure even as I am talking to you now, somebody is rushing into an emergency room. There is nobody...

I beg your pardon? What did you say? REPORT AND CONSIDERATION OF REPORT THE DIVISION OF REVENUE BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO.10 OF 2025)

Now, let the Senate Majority Leader move because you are misleading us with your doth.

Can we hear from the Mover? (Laughter)

Proceed to your seat. (Question proposed) (Question put and agreed to) Can we hear from the Mover?

You can now open the doors and bars drawn. (The Bars were drawn and doors opened) (Loud consultations) THIRD READING THE DIVISION OF REVENUE BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO.10 OF 2025) DIVISION ELECTRONIC VOTING ABSTENTIONS: Nil Hon. Senators, these are the results of the Division- AYES: 31 NOES: Nil ABSTENTIONS:...

Next is Sen. Oketch Eddy.

Kenya is known to supply doctors and nurses to South Sudan, the United Kingdom and the United States of America. So, to whom much is given much, much is expected.This Report should be studied by the Kenya Medical Practitioners and Dentists Council, the Kenya Medical Association and associations that bring...

Sen. Veronica, they should know that you are one of the Speakers who chairs this Session. (Sen. Kavindu Muthama spoke off record) Sen. Kavindu, you are out of order.

though we are debating this, and yes, it is our job to stand as legislators to represent and oversight matters of the sort, it does not take away from the results that we are staring at, which is that a young girl has gone because of gross negligence. Just like...

Very well. The putting of the question on Order No.9 is deferred. (Putting of question on the Bill deferred) Additionally, Orders No.10, 11, and 12 are also deferred. THE SPORTS (AMENDMENT) BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.33 OF 2024) THE SPORTS (AMENDMENT) (NO.2) BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.45 OF 2024) ADOPTION OF REPORT...

Since I am here, you should benefit. It is Meru Central Farmers’ Cooperative Union (MCFCU) .

The reason for this is the thinking which we support in this bursary issue is because we want to see every child have an equal opportunity to bursaries. The best way is just to use those monies to make education free. Since we cannot make something like cooperatives free, let...

We now open the session for debate, and we start with Sen. Danson Mungatana--- You are next after Sen. Oketch Gicheru. He was here before you. (Sen. Cherarkey spoke off record) I do not know why you are questioning the Chair, Sen. Cherarkey. You might fail to get a chance...

Madam Cabinet Secretary, just a minute. I have been approached by the owner of this Question, Prof. Tom Ojienda. He has received the response and has gone through it. It is lengthy and he feels satisfied. I would like us to save time because the Senior Counsel, the Senator for...

Order, Sen. Cherarkey. Just a minute, Sen. Cherarkey. I do not accept this behaviour of exchanging between the aisles. While presiding in this House, I will not accept those exchanges. You should wait for the Senator for Kisumu and then you can also make your point of order or whatever...

No, let me first clear this. Hon. Cabinet Secretary, as you summarize your presentation, if there is anything you feel you want to insist on, you can do it. (Sen. Veronica Maina spoke off record) Sen. Veronica, who is now leading the communication in this House, is it Sen. Veronica...

Madam CS, just record the four questions. Next to ask the question is Sen. Veronica Maina.

Next is Sen. Mumma.

That was the last question. Madam CS, you can answer the three questions. The Cabinet Secretary for Gender, Culture, the Arts and Heritage (Hon. Cheptumo): Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I will take the first question on the issue of partnerships. We have the gender sector working groups, which...

There is a point of information from Sen. Eddy Oketch.

Proceed, Sen. Eddy.

Sen. Cherarkey, you are well informed.

Sen. Cherarkey, can you relate what you are now discussing with the Division of Revenue Bill? Can you relate the two because you are digressing?

Just a minute. Sen. Oketch, what is your point of order?

Sen. Cherarkey has heard you. Let him respond.

Sen. Cherarkey, you have finished. Please, resume your seat. Sen. Boni, you have the Floor.

Proceed, Sen. Cherarkey.

Actually, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, your point of order is on Standing Order No.122 (1) (b) , which states that a Senator commits an act of gross disorderly conduct if the Senator declines to retract use of un-parliamentary language or declines to offer apologies, despite having been ordered to do so...

It is referred to as the council of elders.

Next is Sen. Olekina.

Proceed Sen Eddy Oketch.

Asante. Next is Sen. Sifuna Edwin.

Just a minute, Sen. Sifuna. What is out of order, Sen. Eddy?

(Loud consultations)

Sen. Sifuna, unfortunately, it is not possible to deny Members to raise points of order when you are on the Floor. Maybe you should request them not to interrupt.

Sen. Sifuna, please, take your seat. I would like to listen to know if it is frivolous because I cannot determine before they speak.

That is a relevant point of order. You are referring to a document that is not circulated so that other Senators can have a look at it and also follow your debate. If you want to do that, please table it so that they get copies.

Sen. Wambua Enoch, please proceed.

I have been advised that we have no quorum. I request the Serjeant-at-Arms to ring the quorum Bell for five minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) (Several Senators stood in their places) Hon. Senators, can we now resume our seats? The lobbying is over. I want to put the question....

The Vice-Chair of Budget and Finance, Sen. Tabitha Mutinda.

Proceed, Sen. Munyi Mundigi.

Sen. Mundigi---

Sen. Mundigi, kwa sababu nilianza kuongea kabla umalize mchango wako, nitampatia Sen. Omogeni nafasi aulize swali lake. Kwa vile nilianza kuongea kabla umalize, ungesimamisha hotuba yako, ili uniskize mimi ni Spika.

Proceed, Sen. Mundigi.

Bw. Naibu Spika, muguka unaweza kutengeneza juice, wine hata dawa ya kufufua mwili iwapo mtu amedungwa sindano akawa hali mahututi. Kinachofaa ni pesa za kufanya utafiti zitolewe. Ninaunga mkono pesa nyingi zitolewe na Serikali iangalie utafiti wa mimea mingi sio muguka pekee. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) : Asante, Sen....

If next time I am found with Sen. Karen in Nairobi, please make sure that you explain to the husband, Mr. Samido, that it was with your permission. Otherwise, I will not go out with her. I rise to support this Bill. It is a Bill that one cannot oppose...

What does aphrodisiac mean? Do you want me to tell you what it can do to you, if you partake it? That is why I want you to experience it. Just do in the company of Sen. Karen. She will show you where you can get it and then you...

It is on statement of fact and then Standing Order No.101 on mischaracterizing a Member like him. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, Sen. Boni has said that all the people from western, particularly Kakamega and Malinya, where he comes from, must catch their flights in Kisumu or Eldoret. As far as...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, what is out of order is, first of all, claiming that there is no airstrip or airport in Kakamega. Secondly, throwing aspersions on me that I was heckling him when I was quietly listening to him. He has kept me in this House listening to him...

What is out of order?

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker, for giving me the opportunity to share some thoughts on the Division of Revenue Bill (National Assembly Bills No.10 of 2025) . This Bill essentially presents a vertical share of our national resources. What has come from the National Assembly is that in the next...

Sen. Montet, do you have any supplementary question?

Hon. Cabinet Secretart, please proceed to answer. The Cabinet Secretary for Education (Hon. Julius Migos Ogamba) : Thank you Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. The graduates are encouraged to register. As we have indicated, there are already over 343,000 registered, qualified teachers on the register, who are not yet employed. As...

Yes, proceed.

Let us hear Sen. Karungo Paul.

Sen. Margaret Jepkoech Kamar, please proceed.

On the question of the technical college in Isiolo and Garbatula, as I indicated, we have students who need to join these colleges. So, it is the Ministry's priority to ensure that these colleges that are already done are completed and students admitted to them. We needed them because we...

Hon. Senators, I hope you are not expecting those statistics right away, but maybe the CS can give a commitment on when to provide them. The Cabinet Secretary for Education (Hon. Julius Migos Ogamba) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I might not be able to provide the statistics. The question...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, we are in the month of May, which is the Mental Health Awareness Month. The CBC brought a lot of administrative responsibilities to the head teachers who are from a different curriculum to this new curriculum. Has the Ministry considered the impact of CBC on the...

Cabinet Secretary, respond to those three questions then we move to the next question. The Cabinet Secretary for Education (Hon. Julius Migos Ogamba) : Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I will start with Sen. Joe Nyutu’s question. Yes, an assessment was done to the content for the teachers who...

Sometimes, there is no need to blow your own trumpet. Now that Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale has come to my aid, I request the Cabinet Secretary to engage with the school, as I am certain they are facing numerous challenges. This is a

Did you say Kamwembe or Kamwimbi? Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, the Senator for Tharaka-Nithi County is Sen. Gataya Mo Fire. You are, therefore, out of order to make those allegations.

Sen. Mo Fire, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale is not the Chair to give instructions to the Cabinet Secretary. Therefore, that matter stands as it is. (Resumption of Questions) The next Question is by the Senator for Makueni County, Sen. Daniel Maanzo, MBS, MP. I do not know whether there is any...

Hon. Cabinet Secretary, proceed. The Cabinet Secretary for Education (Hon. Julius Migos Ogamba) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, in response to the part (a) of the question, the Ministry implements various measures to foster equitable access to free and quality education for children in marginalized and underserved areas. These measures are...

Hon. Senators, kindly note that we are just making comments on the statements. Every Senator will have three minutes to do so. Next is Sen. Wambua.

Order, Sen. Cherarkey!

Sen. Nderitu John, please, proceed.

Proceed, Sen. Ali Roba.

What is out of order, Sen. Kinyua?

He seems to have more details. His is a detailed report on what transpired in Mandera County.

Sen Wambua is not on the Floor.

(Laughter)

We must stop. There is a point of order from the Senator of Mandera County.

Conclude your comments.

Very well. Let us now hear from Sen. Veronica Maina.

Let me give you one minute.

Well, then you can read first. IMPLEMENTATION OF THE INTER-AGENCY TECHNICAL COMMITTEE REPORT OF 2019

Just a minute, Sen. Kisang’. Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale is on a point of order.

such engagements fail to be objective and instead become mere photo sessions, as the Hon. Senator from Nandi has noted. It serves no meaningful purpose to have a session with the governor, when you are unable to inquire and get clarifications on the concerns.(Applause)

On a point of information, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Wakili Sigei, would you like to be informed? Your time is over.

Whom are you informing?

Do you have a courtesy call before or after visiting? Proceed, Sen. Sigei. You should do that in one minute.

Thank you. Hon. Senators, we will now go back to the business of the day. We had gone up to Order No.10. We will defer Order Nos. 11, 12, and 13. THE PROVISION OF SANITARY TOWELS BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.7 OF 2024) [The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) left the Chair]...