Wilberforce Ojiambo Oundo

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I stand to support the Report by the Public Investments Committee on Social Services, Administration and Agriculture. I commend the Committee for going into the archives and retrieving some long-standing issues in their Report here. Two issues require clarification and must be put on record....

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I stand to support the Report by the Public Investments Committee on Social Services, Administration and Agriculture. I commend the Committee for going into the archives and retrieving some long-standing issues in their Report here. Two issues require clarification...

Chair, I wish to join in support of the sentiments expressed by Hon. Dawood. Article 115 of the Constitution of Kenya has been routinely abused by subsequent presidents to assume the right to make laws, a right enshrined in the Constitution and vested fully in Members of Parliament. If there...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. I commend the Departmental Committee Chairperson for this timely amendment. To be honest, police officers and other members of the disciplined forces seem to be going through a lot and a lot seems to be going through them as well. Could we also have the...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, during the Second Reading, I cautioned my good friend, Hon. Aden, that he is preparing a rope that will hang him sooner than later by including the word “terrorism” in this Bill. We already have an Anti-Terrorism Act. Introducing “terrorism” here is making a rope, and it...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. In view of what has happened in the recent past, where even boys who, simply, threw stones have been charged under the Terrorism Act, if the amendment passes as it is, it means that even on your phone, if they suspect that you participated in...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, while these amendments are laudable, I think we are being over-reactionary. I have always told young people that if you do not have thick skins, enough shock absorbers or a big heart, then do not join public space. Because whichever way, you will be ridiculed; either in...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I second. (Question proposed)

Hon. Temporary Speaker… Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo, what is burning? I just want to make a point. I commend Hon. Daudi. Many times, Members prepare Bills, but getting to this level is a herculean task. It is a long and rigorous process. We should encourage as many Members as possible...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. On that account… In law, we say not even the devil knows what is in a man's mind. Thank you. The devil does not come across my mind. In respect to what Members probably think I imputed the wrong motive… Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo. It...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Truly, sometimes, it is an embarrassment to the people of Kenya. Members of Parliament are elected to represent, oversee and legislate. It baffles many of us how a Member of Parliament can fail to attend a sitting of the plenary. I have never understood it....

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. At the outset, let me stand to support the Bill, which seeks to grant county governments additional funds to undertake functions assigned to them in the Fourth Schedule and expressly stated in the Constitution. At the outset, let us make it very clear that all...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Chair, I wish to join in support of the sentiments expressed by Hon. Dawood. Article 115 of the Constitution of Kenya has been routinely abused by subsequent presidents to assume the right to make laws, a right enshrined in the Constitution and vested fully...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. I commend the Departmental Committee Chairperson for this timely amendment. To be honest, 25th September 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 18 Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM)police officers and other members of the disciplined forces seem to be going through...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairman, during the Second Reading, I cautioned my good friend, Hon. Aden, that he is preparing a rope that will hang him sooner than later by including the word “terrorism” in this Bill. We already have an Anti-Terrorism Act. Introducing “terrorism” here...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. In view of what has happened in the recent past, where even boys who, simply, threw stones have been charged under the Terrorism Act, if the amendment passes as it is, it means that even on your phone, if...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Chairman, while these amendments are laudable, I think we are being over-reactionary. I have always told young people that if you do not have thick skins, enough shock absorbers or a big heart, then do not join public space. Because whichever way,...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I second. (Question proposed)

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Speaker… The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo, what is burning? Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) I just want to make a point. I commend Hon. Daudi. Many times, Members prepare Bills, but getting to this level is...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. On that account… The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) In law, we say not even the devil knows what is in a man's mind. Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you. The devil does not come across my...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Truly, sometimes, it is an embarrassment to the people of Kenya. Members of Parliament are elected to represent, oversee and legislate. It baffles many of us how a Member of Parliament can fail to attend a sitting of the...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. At the outset, let me stand to support the Bill, which seeks to grant county governments additional funds to undertake functions assigned to them in the Fourth Schedule and expressly stated in the Constitution. At the outset, let us...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Allow me to join my colleagues in thanking Hon. Tim Wanyonyi, the Member for the famous Westlands and probably the incoming governor, for bringing this subject matter to public debate. We have debated this matter for many years, since...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. On behalf of the people of Funyula Constituency, allow me to congratulate and sincerely thank the athletes who brought honour and fame to the people of Kenya. It was always refreshing and captivating to watch. Whenever I had time, I watched. It indeed showed that there...

On a point of order, Hon. Deputy Speaker. Yes, Hon. Oundo. What is your point of order? Hon. Deputy Speaker, given the time remaining before the session concludes, I recognise the significance of this Bill to the people of Kenya, particularly in rural areas. I respectfully request that, in your...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Speaker. On behalf of the people of Funyula Constituency, allow me to congratulate and sincerely thank the athletes who brought honour and fame to the people of Kenya. It was always refreshing and captivating to watch. Whenever I had time, I...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) On a point of order, Hon. Deputy Speaker.

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Deputy Speaker, given the time remaining before the session concludes, I recognise the significance of this Bill to the people of Kenya, particularly in rural areas. I respectfully request that, in your wisdom, the debate be adjourned to a later time so that...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I join my colleagues in supporting the Motion for the consideration of nominees for appointment as Chairperson and Member of the National Police Service Commission of the Republic of Kenya. Hon. Temporary Speaker, the National Police Service (NPS) is...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Let me also stand in solidarity with my colleague Hon. Daudi Aden in supporting the Computer Misuse and Cybercrime (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bill No.41 of 2024) . I come from a liberal world that is averse to censorship...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) But I am still on the Floor, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

Hon. (Dr.) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me this opportunity to support the Bill that Hon. Martha Wangari has sponsored. If I do not support the Bill, I will lose some privileges that I have always had in some places. (Laughter) 14th August 2025...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you, Bishop, for that clarification. Let me rephrase. The Temporary Speaker (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) Yes. We are in the House of Rules. Give me a minute. I will give Hon. Oundo time to conclude. Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) As we...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Perhaps the Bishop needs to pray for fathers to accept the outcomes of their endeavours so that they do not abandon their children's lives. With those many remarks, I support.

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I just wish to ask this Cabinet Secretary what measures have been put in place to ensure that the NPS or the police adhere to High Court judgment or directive that requires any policeman assigned for purposes of riots or...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Speaker, on the same issue of identity cards, I will make a request to the Cabinet Secretary. There are very many young people who are joining colleges and universities. They have applied for identity cards and have 13th August 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES...

Hon. Deputy Speaker, in the absence of the Chair and the Vice-Chair, I will undertake to transmit the request for the statement. We request that the Member allow us two weeks after the resumption of the sittings of the House, sometime towards the end of or early September, to provide...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I am always baffled when we waste valuable parliamentary time discussing someone who does not sit in this House. We were told that within two weeks after impeachment, he would be a non-entity, and that he would be inconsequential as he would even be unable to move....

Hon. Temporary Speaker, sometimes we say “The rich also cry.” The Member representing the Chairman of the Committee and I come from the same county. Whenever it drizzles— not even rains— in Busia County, power goes off in almost the entire Busia County. Having read a false and misleading Statement,...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Deputy Speaker, in the absence of the Chair and the Vice-Chair, I will undertake to transmit the request for the statement. We request that the Member allow us two weeks after the resumption of the sittings of the House, sometime towards the end...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I am always baffled when we waste valuable parliamentary time discussing someone who does not sit in this House. We were told that within two weeks after impeachment, he would be a non-entity, and that he would be inconsequential as he...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Speaker, sometimes we say “The rich also cry.” The Member representing the Chairman of the Committee and I come from the same county. Whenever it drizzles— not even rains— in Busia County, power goes off in almost the entire Busia County. Having...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) I am sending him because he is a senior Member of that Committee.

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) When the Cabinet Secretary or Principal Secretary comes to the House to answer questions, I hope I will be informed, so that we can also raise the issue of intermittent power failures, especially in Funyula Constituency and Busia County.

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) I know that the issue extends to other parts of Kenya as well. 7th August 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 21

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Speaker, I sympathise with my good friend, Hon. Melly, and I must sincerely, thank him for disowning the Statement. Thank you.

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Speaker, I want Hon. Melly to listen carefully, intently and intensively, so that I can remit and commit this complaint.

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Speaker, as I said yesterday, schools are bleeding. Whenever any money comes to the schools, the education office literally calls for the money to be taken back to their offices. This year alone, I hope the Chairman is listening, they were forced to...

Hon. Speaker, many of us who are here today have received many calls and representations to assist schools to attend the function and activities in Meru. I have a school in my constituency, Moody Awori Primary School, that is taking about 70 learners to participate in the function and activities...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Speaker, many of us who are here today have received many calls and representations to assist schools to attend the function and activities in Meru. I have a school in my constituency, Moody Awori Primary School, that is taking about 70 learners to...

Hon (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Speaker. While responding on the same, I want the Departmental Committee on Education to clarify a matter that seems to be gaining currency in most rural schools. Are they referred to as junior secondary schools, primary schools or comprehensive schools under...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I would not want to delve into the legal issues because that is your forte. I just want to draw the attention of the hospitals that Article 43 of the Constitution of Kenya gives the right to medical care regardless of...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Let me take this opportunity to laud the Committee for approving the regulations that provide enhanced medical cover for those working in the public service. When SHA came in with the various laws, they abolished the preferential enhanced treatment...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Hon. Temporary Speaker, this matter was raised earlier when the substantive Speaker was in the Chair. We need to be guided, because we have a Supplementary Order Paper. That is what we were told to refer to. Under the Supplementary Order Paper, Order 15...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) The Order Paper appearing on this gadget we normally use, lists Order 17 as the Kenya Roads (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bill No.31 of 2024) , by Hon. Naisula Lesuuda, which is due for Second Reading. There must be some confusion somewhere.

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. From the outset, allow me to sincerely thank Hon. Lesuuda for this well thought out Bill. I also congratulate her for her courage to move to where we are. I stand here to second and sincerely thank all those...

Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. As I was saying, we have enough money in this country. Where the money goes, only God knows. One day, He will help us solve this problem. The money is there and we can operationalise this Bill within five...