Samson Ndindi Nyoro

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) Hon. Speaker, I had already mentioned about maize farmers, but because the Hon. Member for Kesses Constituency shares the same name with the President of Kenya, I will repeat. (Laughter) 21st November 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 17

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) Hon. Speaker, I beg to move the following Procedural Motion: THAT, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 120, this House resolves to reduce the publication period of the Supplementary Appropriation (No. 3) Bill (National Assembly Bill No.71 of 2023) from seven days to four...

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) Hon. Speaker, I beg to move that the Supplementary Appropriation (No.3) Bill (National Assembly Bill No.71 of 2023) be now read a Second Time. Hon. Speaker, as Members are aware, last week we robustly debated the Report of the Budget and Appropriations Committee with regard...

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) Thank you very much, Hon. Speaker. I will take very little time in replying. I thank all the Members who have said something about this Supplementary Budget. It is important I mention them as I reply to their concerns. Hon. Irene asked about State House....

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) Hon. Speaker, with due respect because my brother, Hon. Saney, is a very important Member of this House, I request that I pinpoint to him where the money is after this. There is Ksh6 billion for emergencies. Such a matter is not a matter to...

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) I am winding up, Hon. Speaker. We have also put money into the NCPB for them to buy excess maize from our farmers so that, as a nation, we can have a granary that is full. With those many remarks, I wish to reply. (Question...

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the Supplementary Appropriation (No. 3) Bill, (National Assembly Bill No. 71 of 2023) , be now read a Third Time. Before I request to be seconded, I thank all Members who have taken part in the debate...

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said report. I request the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Agriculture and Livestock, Hon. (Dr.) Mutunga Kanyuithia, to second the Motion for agreement with the report of...

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) Hon. Chairlady, I beg to move that the Committee do report its consideration of the Supplementary Appropriation (No. 3) Bill (National Assembly Bill No. 71 of 2023) and its approval thereof with amendments. (Question proposed) (Question put and agreed to) (The House resumed) IN THE...

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) Thank you very much, Hon. Chairlady. This is the last amendment there is. I beg to move: THAT, the Bill be amended by deleting Clause 2 and substituting therefor the following new Clause— Issue of 115,874,418,343 out of the Consolidated Fund and apply it towards...

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) Thank you very much, Hon. Chairlady. I wish to reply to those issues because they are very important. Hon. Makali Mulu and Hon. Beatrice Elachi have raised the same issues. Movement of Ksh4 to Ksh29 billion is in respect to monies we anticipate to have...

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA)

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) Hon. Chairlady, the same is on two sheets of papers and I will start with the first one. Hon. Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, the Second Schedule be amended in Vote R2051, by deleting the expression “ (150,000,000) ” appearing in the third column...

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) Thank you, Members. I actually thought they were already distributed, but they will be coming. Just to say, majority of these amendments are actually clean ups, but they are as read. Just to explain to Members Hon. Chairlady, what we are trying to do here,...

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) In continuation, there is another amendment to the First Schedule, I beg to move: THAT, the First Schedule of the Bill be amended;

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) That is the reason. There is one pager and there are the two pagers. So, I was reading the one pager then I go to the second pager.

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) Not yet. There are two types. Hon. Chair I am actually on it. There are two sheets of amendments for First Schedule.

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) Thank you very much, Hon. Chairlady. I beg to move: THAT, the First Schedule to the Bill be amended by inserting the following new votes and their corresponding details after vote R2031. I will just read the votes and Members can interact with the content...

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Chairman. You have done a commendable job. Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move that the Committee of Supply do report to the House its consideration of the Supplementary Estimates 1 for Financial Year 2023/2024 and its approval thereof...

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I agree with all speakers that there has to be a clear demarcation between private enterprise and public service. Part of the reasons why countries like Kenya are not able to unlock the potential of its citizens is...

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I wish to relay this information to the Members who have requested for clarifications. As you are aware, the President serves our country in State House most of the times. That is where he hosts most of the delegations that you see...

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) All the money we are appropriating is for our country. It is good for us to understand that there has been also development expenditure in State House. We are trying to reduce the recurrent expenditure, especially for tenting, so that we have one permanent pavilion....

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) I really beseech all Members here because the explanations I gave are numerous. I talked about the major item. The budget for State House in the Printed Estimates was totally inadequate and that was on the request of the President. Even before we funded his...

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I know Hon. (Dr) Oundo knows that the State Department for Correctional Services is one of the most resourced Ministries, Departments and Agencies (MDAs) that we have. Therefore, this is a marginal cut that will not affect the clients of the State...

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I assure Hon. (Dr) Oundo that the money is there. The entire rationalisation for all Votes was because the National Treasury was targeting the projects that are yet to be committed. This will not lead to pending bills. The Temporary Chairman (Hon....

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I assure all Members that the money we have increased in this Vote is for modernisation of police equipment. 16th November 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 39 Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA)The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’): No. We are on Vote 1036...

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I agree I gave a partial answer. I forgot to say in this amount there is a donor funded project for food security of over Ksh5 billion. This is a World Bank project where we put money then they reimburse the Exchequer...

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) Thank you very much, Hon Temporary Chairman. That has been handled properly by the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Defence, Intelligence and Foreign Relations, the Member for Belgut. Hon. Members, you will realise the austerity measures we are taking as a nation although for...

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman, as Hon. Junet is quite aware, when you hire, and especially mid-financial year, you need money to pay the new employees’ salaries. This is part of that money. Around Ksh6 billion is for modernisation of the defence equipment. This is a mid-year...

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I thank Hon. Junet for making that observation. It is precisely for that reason that we are adding money. (Programmes 0714000, 0715000, 0741000 and 0742000 agreed to) (Vote 1053 agreed to) VOTE 1054 - STATE DEPARTMENT FOR DIASPORA AFFAIRS

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Chairman. I want all Members to know that the objective of the supplementary budget was to align the current needs of the nation with the resources that we have. To answer Hon. Junet, there was an intake for our...

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) Yes. From home, when we got coffee payments. (Programmes 0504000, 0506000 and 0508000 agreed to) (Vote 1065 agreed to) VOTE 1066 - STATE DEPARTMENT FOR BASIC EDUCATION VOTE 1071 - THE NATIONAL TREASURY VOTE 1072 – STATE DEPARTMENT FOR ECONOMIC PLANNING 16th November 2023 NATIONAL...

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairperson, this was Hon. Ichung’wah’s amendment but he withdrew it. (Proposed amendment by Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah withdrawn) 16th November 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 48 Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA)(Programmes 046000, 0410000, 0411000 and 041200 agreed to) VOTE 1083 - STATE DEPARTMENT FOR PUBLIC...

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman, starting with the question from Hon. Rindikiri, roads have different kinds of funding. One is donor funding and the Exchequer for maintenance. Money for road maintenance comes from the fuel levy and it is available. All damaged roads will be taken care...

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) Thank you very much, Hon. Oundo. As you can see, the amounts that we are dealing with in regard to that Department are quite marginal. I, therefore, assure you that you will continue to have consistent power. There have been maintenance challenges, which Kenya Power...

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) Thank you very much Hon. Chair. Hon. Makilap, thank you very much for standing for what your people do. This money is simply for the movement of the Kenya Meat Commission (KMC) from this department to the Department of Defense (DOD) . The Temporary Chairman...

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. I want Hon. Makali to be in peace. The money that you will enhance for the State Department for Crop Development will take care of all farmers across Kenya: maize farmers, coffee cherry farmers, and tea and maize fertiliser. It...

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman, this is normal for all the departments. That was for the purpose of rationalisation. The National Treasury sent a circular to all MDAs who made cuts where they deemed fit. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) : Hon. Kimani Kuria, you have...

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA)

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) The net effect is zero sum. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) : It is zero sum. (Question of the amendment proposed) (Programme 0610000 as amended agreed to) (Vote 1261 as amended agreed to) VOTE 2051 - JUDICIAL SERVICE COMMISSION (Loud consultations) VOTE 1071 -...

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Chairman. I beg to move: THAT, the Schedule be amended in Vote 1066 by- Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) The effect is that we are moving Ksh1 billion from the Ministry of Education and allocating the same to the...

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) I would really indulge that before I say something, we have a Member from Nairobi County putting this into perspective. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) : Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee, you have just messed it up. Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA)...

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) Hon. Alice Ng’ang’a and Hon. KJ, the consultations are too loud. (Loud consultations)(Loud consultations) Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I want to put this to perspective. (Hon. Sylvanus Osoro consulted loudly) The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) : Order, Hon. Osoro. The...

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Report of the Committee of Supply in its consideration of the First Supplementary Estimates for the Financial Year 2023/2024 and, pursuant to the provisions of Article 223 of the Constitution of...

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) Thank you very much, Hon. Deputy Speaker, for giving me an opportunity. I rise to move a Report from the Budget and Appropriations Committee on the Supplementary Estimates I for the Financial Year 2023/2024. Previously, I would be given a lot of time to move...

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) Yes, I will move it before I finish or right now. I wanted to move when concluding but it is always better to do it earlier so that Members can get the talking points from the essence of the Order Paper. Hon. Deputy Speaker, I...

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) Thank you very much, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I laud this House for the policies we have been making, both on the finance front and the Budget. The budget-making process is an aspect of law making. Our country is dealing with several issues in regard to...

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for allowing me to move the amendment, so that Members can debate the Report with it in mind. In consultation with the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Affairs, my brother, Hon. Tongoyo, we have...

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I thank all Members who have contributed. We will be here in the afternoon to talk about all these issues on specific terms. I will also be available here to clarify any issues to Members and our colleagues....

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) Thank you very much, Hon. Deputy Speaker, for giving me an opportunity. I rise to move a Report from the Budget and Appropriations Committee on the Supplementary Estimates I for the Financial Year 2023/2024. Previously, I would be given a lot of time to move...

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) Yes, I will move it before I finish or right now. I wanted to move when concluding but it is always better to do it earlier so that Members can get the talking points from the essence of the Order Paper. Hon. Deputy Speaker, I...

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) Thank you very much, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I laud this House for the policies we have been making, both on the finance front and the Budget. The budget-making process is an aspect of law making. Our country is dealing with several issues in regard to...

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for allowing me to move the amendment, so that Members can debate the Report with it in mind. In consultation with the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Affairs, my brother, Hon. Tongoyo, we have...

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I thank all Members who have contributed. We will be here in the afternoon to talk about all these issues on specific terms. I will also be available here to clarify any issues to Members and our colleagues....

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I applaud all the Members, because as the country knows, we left the Chamber at 1.00 a.m. yesterday, which was actually today morning. We sometimes assume that the day starts at 7.00 a.m. 21st June 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 62 Hon. Ndindi...

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) Thank you very much, Hon. Speaker, for giving me a chance to contribute to the Finance Bill. I, of course, rise to support it. I would like to take this opportunity to contextualise this debate and its ramifications. 14th June 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 23...

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) Thank you very much, Hon. Speaker, for giving me a chance to contribute to the Finance Bill. I, of course, rise to support it. I would like to take this opportunity to contextualise this debate and its ramifications. 14th June 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 23...

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) Thank you very much, Hon. Speaker, for giving me a chance to contribute to the Finance Bill. I, of course, rise to support it. I would like to take this opportunity to contextualise this debate and its ramifications. 14th June 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 23...

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) Thank you very much, Hon. Speaker. I thank all the Members who have contributed to this debate and Motion on the Budget Estimates for Financial Year 2023/2024. As you have noted, there are many proposals on how we will be expending our resources. (Loud consultations)...

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro (Kiharu, UDA) Thank you very much, Hon. Speaker. I thank all the Members who have contributed to this debate and Motion on the Budget Estimates for Financial Year 2023/2024. As you have noted, there are many proposals on how we will be expending our resources. (Loud consultations)...