Murungi Kathuri

Sen. Kathuri

Sen. Kathuri

Sen. Kathuri

Sen. Kathuri

Sen. Kathuri

Sen. Kathuri

Sen. Kathuri

Sen. Kathuri

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, some Members of this House have spoken on this very important subject. This Bill speaks to our future. Any country that does not take care of its national environment and its forests, will one day pay a very heavy price. I am particularly happy with the...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)May, 13, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 29

Sen. Kathuri

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)May, 13, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 27

Sen. Kathuri

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, some Members of this House have spoken on this very important subject. This Bill speaks to our future. Any country that does not take care of its national environment and its forests, will one day pay a very heavy price. I am particularly happy with the...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)May, 13, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 29

Sen. Kathuri

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)May, 13, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 27

Sen. Kathuri

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, some Members of this House have spoken on this very important subject. This Bill speaks to our future. Any country that does not take care of its national environment and its forests, will one day pay a very heavy price. I am particularly happy with the...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)May, 13, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 29

Sen. Kathuri

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)May, 13, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 27

Sen. Kathuri

We will take two supplementary questions from Sen. (Prof.) Kamar, followed by Sen. (Dr.) Murango.

Mstahiki Spika wa Muda, ninaomba nikumbushwe kwa sababu sikumbuki nikisema neno lolote ambalo sifai kulitumia. The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Abdul Haji) Mkumbushe, Sen. Mandago.

Thank you. Clarity was on the budgetary allocation because he has mentioned two. Which financial year? The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Any other supplementary questions?

Mstahiki Spika, ni neno gani hilo kwa sababu sikulitaja? May, 13, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 34 The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Abdul Haji) Sen. Murango, usifanye nirudie. Unalijua vizuri sana lile neno ninalokuambia ubadilishe.

May, 13, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 29 The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) We go to the next Question, Question No.039. Senator for Nyandarua County, Sen. Methu. Sen. Mohamed, you may ask on his behalf.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

Sina swali la ziada. Ningependa tu kutoa maoni kwamba kusimamisha kwa usajili wa vikundi vya SACCO kwa sababu ya mikakati ya kurekebisha sheria za usajili ni sawa na kuzuia watu wasiweze kuzaa kwa sababu baadhi ya watoto wanaozaliwa ni wahalifu. Waziri amekubali kwamba wameanza kufungua. Kwa hivyo, tuna matumaini ya...

Asante, Mheshimiwa Spika wa Muda. Swali ambalo nataka kumwuliza Waziri, mwanzo ni kwamba, kabla ya kuvunjilia mbali, kuandikisha kwa vyama vya akiba na mikopo, kuna kitu kimoja ambacho naona kinakuwa makosa makubwa. Kuna wahusika wakubwa. Ninajua wako hata Kirinyaga, ambao bado tunangoja majibu, kama Mweteithia Rural SACCO na Rwama Cooperative,...

Mheshimiwa Speaker, nasimama kuuliza kulingana na Kanuni za Kudumu za Bunge. Ukianza kujibu swali kwa kutumia lugha moja, unafaa kutumia lugha hiyo mpaka ukamilishe. Waziri ameanza kujibu swali kutumia Kiswahili. Je, ni sawa akifika pale katikati aende kwenye Kiingereza ilhali wananchi wakulima walikuwa wanafuatilia kwa Kiswahili?

May, 13, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 27 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

Mstahiki Spika wa Muda, nitabadilisha neno ‘kuhara’ niseme ‘kuendesha,’ lakini kuhara na kuendesha, maana ni sawa.

May, 13, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 32 The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Abdul Haji) Cabinet Secretary, there is an intervention from Sen. Mandago, who wants to seek clarification on the initial answer.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

Yes, I have been authorised by Sen. Methu to ask this Question on his behalf. Question No.039 IMPACT OF SUSPENSION OF SACCO SOCIETIES REGISTRATION [The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) left the Chair] [The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Abdul Haji) in the Chair] May, 13, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 30 The Temporary Speaker...

Thank you very much, Mr. Deputy, Speaker, Sir. I want a confirmation from the Cabinet Secretary, who said there is a proposal in the Budget for Financial Year 2026/2027. Did the proposal originate from the Ministry and does that specific figure have priority for the Ministry? Is there any evidence...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Beth Syengo, do you have any supplementary questions?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to ask Question No.036 to the Cabinet Secretary for Cooperatives and Micro, Small and Medium Enterprises (MSMEs) Development: OUTSTANDING COFFEE PROCEEDS OWED TO FARMERS BY DEFUNCT KPCU

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. SACCOs are very famous as instruments of doing business in the matatu industry. Many people are investing in this business every single day because matatus are a necessity for many Kenyans who go to work and back home, including those who go upcountry. So,...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)(Loud consultations)

Mstahiki Spika wa Muda, Seneta wa Kirinyaga anajaribu kucheza mchezo wa paka na panya. Ulitoa mfano wa ugonjwa wa kuendesha lakini neno ambalo ulilitumia sio kuendesha. (An hon. Senator spoke off record) Hilo neno ndilo unafaa urekebishe.

Mstahiki Spika unajua kwamba kwenye mwili wa binadamu kuna viungo tofauti. Sijui kwa nini tunaona haya, tunataja mdomo na mapua, lakini tukifika sehemu zingine ni aibu. Hata kwa Kamusi hilo neno liko na sikulitaja. Nimepeana--- The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Abdul Haji) Sen. Murango, sikusema usimame na ufafanue kile ulichosema. Ninakwambia...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

A further clarification on this payout under KPCU and proceeds to coffee farmers. Waziri, if it is not too much trouble, there was also a matter that arose May, 13, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 28 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I am interested in the KPCU issues first.

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, for the opportunity. First, I want to thank the Cabinet Secretary for the questions that he answered earlier in the day, and the assurance that he continues to give this House that he is ready to even come back. I want to assure this...

We will take two supplementary questions from Sen. (Prof.) Kamar, followed by Sen. (Dr.) Murango.

Mstahiki Spika wa Muda, ninaomba nikumbushwe kwa sababu sikumbuki nikisema neno lolote ambalo sifai kulitumia. The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Abdul Haji) Mkumbushe, Sen. Mandago.

Thank you. Clarity was on the budgetary allocation because he has mentioned two. Which financial year? The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Any other supplementary questions?

Mstahiki Spika, ni neno gani hilo kwa sababu sikulitaja? May, 13, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 34 The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Abdul Haji) Sen. Murango, usifanye nirudie. Unalijua vizuri sana lile neno ninalokuambia ubadilishe.

May, 13, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 29 The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) We go to the next Question, Question No.039. Senator for Nyandarua County, Sen. Methu. Sen. Mohamed, you may ask on his behalf.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

Sina swali la ziada. Ningependa tu kutoa maoni kwamba kusimamisha kwa usajili wa vikundi vya SACCO kwa sababu ya mikakati ya kurekebisha sheria za usajili ni sawa na kuzuia watu wasiweze kuzaa kwa sababu baadhi ya watoto wanaozaliwa ni wahalifu. Waziri amekubali kwamba wameanza kufungua. Kwa hivyo, tuna matumaini ya...

Asante, Mheshimiwa Spika wa Muda. Swali ambalo nataka kumwuliza Waziri, mwanzo ni kwamba, kabla ya kuvunjilia mbali, kuandikisha kwa vyama vya akiba na mikopo, kuna kitu kimoja ambacho naona kinakuwa makosa makubwa. Kuna wahusika wakubwa. Ninajua wako hata Kirinyaga, ambao bado tunangoja majibu, kama Mweteithia Rural SACCO na Rwama Cooperative,...

Mheshimiwa Speaker, nasimama kuuliza kulingana na Kanuni za Kudumu za Bunge. Ukianza kujibu swali kwa kutumia lugha moja, unafaa kutumia lugha hiyo mpaka ukamilishe. Waziri ameanza kujibu swali kutumia Kiswahili. Je, ni sawa akifika pale katikati aende kwenye Kiingereza ilhali wananchi wakulima walikuwa wanafuatilia kwa Kiswahili?

May, 13, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 27 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

Mstahiki Spika wa Muda, nitabadilisha neno ‘kuhara’ niseme ‘kuendesha,’ lakini kuhara na kuendesha, maana ni sawa.

May, 13, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 32 The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Abdul Haji) Cabinet Secretary, there is an intervention from Sen. Mandago, who wants to seek clarification on the initial answer.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

Yes, I have been authorised by Sen. Methu to ask this Question on his behalf. Question No.039 IMPACT OF SUSPENSION OF SACCO SOCIETIES REGISTRATION [The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) left the Chair] [The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Abdul Haji) in the Chair] May, 13, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 30 The Temporary Speaker...

Thank you very much, Mr. Deputy, Speaker, Sir. I want a confirmation from the Cabinet Secretary, who said there is a proposal in the Budget for Financial Year 2026/2027. Did the proposal originate from the Ministry and does that specific figure have priority for the Ministry? Is there any evidence...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Beth Syengo, do you have any supplementary questions?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to ask Question No.036 to the Cabinet Secretary for Cooperatives and Micro, Small and Medium Enterprises (MSMEs) Development: OUTSTANDING COFFEE PROCEEDS OWED TO FARMERS BY DEFUNCT KPCU

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. SACCOs are very famous as instruments of doing business in the matatu industry. Many people are investing in this business every single day because matatus are a necessity for many Kenyans who go to work and back home, including those who go upcountry. So,...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)(Loud consultations)

Mstahiki Spika wa Muda, Seneta wa Kirinyaga anajaribu kucheza mchezo wa paka na panya. Ulitoa mfano wa ugonjwa wa kuendesha lakini neno ambalo ulilitumia sio kuendesha. (An hon. Senator spoke off record) Hilo neno ndilo unafaa urekebishe.

Mstahiki Spika unajua kwamba kwenye mwili wa binadamu kuna viungo tofauti. Sijui kwa nini tunaona haya, tunataja mdomo na mapua, lakini tukifika sehemu zingine ni aibu. Hata kwa Kamusi hilo neno liko na sikulitaja. Nimepeana--- The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Abdul Haji) Sen. Murango, sikusema usimame na ufafanue kile ulichosema. Ninakwambia...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

A further clarification on this payout under KPCU and proceeds to coffee farmers. Waziri, if it is not too much trouble, there was also a matter that arose May, 13, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 28 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I am interested in the KPCU issues first.

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, for the opportunity. First, I want to thank the Cabinet Secretary for the questions that he answered earlier in the day, and the assurance that he continues to give this House that he is ready to even come back. I want to assure this...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Before that Order, let us listen to the Majority Leader.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) But the Majority Leader has already cited. There are two things you have requested. One, that we move straightway to the Divisions. Two, to have the report on Meru County tabled by the Chairperson. He promised to do so. I have no doubts that the...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Before that Order, let us listen to the Majority Leader.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) But the Majority Leader has already cited. There are two things you have requested. One, that we move straightway to the Divisions. Two, to have the report on Meru County tabled by the Chairperson. He promised to do so. I have no doubts that the...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, I have another Communication regarding a visiting delegation of teachers and students from Visa Oshwal Junior School, Nairobi City County. Hon. Senators, I would like to acknowledge the presence in the Public Gallery this afternoon of a visiting delegation of five teachers and...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Clerk, do we have quorum? (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted with the Deputy Speaker) Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) We now have quorum. Clerk, read out the first Order. COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE CHAIR VISITING DELEGATION OF FRENCH MEMBERS...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Tabitha Mutinda, I might decline giving Sen. Sifuna a chance because you are intervening in my space; it is not your mandate to do that. Sen. Sifuna, kindly utilise the two minutes.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)Next Order. THE DIVISION OF REVENUE BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILL NO.2 OF 2026) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) You can proceed and vote. (Electronic Voting in progress) DIVISION ELECTRONIC VOTING The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, the results of the Division are as follows- AYES:...