Murungi Kathuri

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)[The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Veronica Maina) in the Chair]

Sen. Kathuri Thank you, Honourable Speaker, for this opportunity also to weigh in on this matter of national interest. When I was following up the proceedings from 2.30 April 1, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 19 Sen. KathuriI was very frustrated today when Sen. Sifuna was speaking to the media and his...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) That is good enough. Thank you very much. The Chair of this session believes in you, gracious ladies from Ndhiwa Constituency. I was in Ndhiwa some years back when the daughter to Sen. Kiraitu was married there. Also, the Member of Parliament for South Imenti,...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) But then since I did the caution, I think it is fair enough that---

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Could the technical team give us a better sound?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Yes, many Senators would want to speak on this important matter. So, if we have consensus--- Yes, Sen. Sifuna. Hon. Members Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, we had also agreed that those of us who had spoken earlier do not need to speak again, so that...

Sen. Kathuri Mr. Speaker, Sir, I want to conclude by saying that I agree with what the Senator for Meru is suggesting. In fact, it will be good for the whole country to see for themselves the sort of amazing things that we are told in the CPAC. You ask...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I beg to move that debate on the Motion be limited to 10 minutes. Alternatively, we can agree to do five or 20 minutes, depending on the time, so that many of us can ventilate. Standing Order No.111 on...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Just a minute, Sen. Veronica Maina. Sen. Catherine Mumma, did the Chair not caution the member? Of course, the Chair is managing the House. I cautioned the member not to tread in that manner. Maybe I am the one who has prompted you to think...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)If you read the document from the auditor, all that money, not even a coin, was used to supply water to any household. It was used, instead, for feasibility studies, facilitation of workshops, et cetera. What a shame to this governor?When he appeared before the Senate...

My Minority Leader has just stated that I come forward. Thank you, Hon. Speaker, for giving the great women of Ndhiwa Constituency of Homa Bay County the opportunity to come to the Speaker's Gallery. The illustrious women that are here this afternoon are women of this country who believe in...

Sen. Kathuri On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Kathuri I have the Floor, Majority Leader.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)and say that we will stop money from going to the counties, the Constitution limits the period to three months. So, we need to rethink the issue of the Appropriations Act in this country.Two, we need to also think generally, because, today, we are about to...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Speaker, Sir, this is a very important Motion brought by my colleague, Sen. Ledama. Every Senator who minds the affairs of this House and values devolution should take time to not only speak to, but also reflect about and what it means for this...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Let me start by commending the Minority Whip for this very good Motion and very timely. As I support this Motion, let me say that I have contacted the Secretariat to try and amend this Motion. Instead of these governors appearing before the two committees,...

Thank you Madam Temporary Speaker. As I rise to support the Motion. Many who follow me always ask whether the substantive Speaker of the Senate is a Madam. This is because whenever I speak, it is about a Madam Speaker, while the others are saying Mr. Speaker.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)[The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Veronica Maina) in the Chair]

Sen. Kathuri Thank you, Honourable Speaker, for this opportunity also to weigh in on this matter of national interest. When I was following up the proceedings from 2.30 April 1, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 19 Sen. KathuriI was very frustrated today when Sen. Sifuna was speaking to the media and his...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) That is good enough. Thank you very much. The Chair of this session believes in you, gracious ladies from Ndhiwa Constituency. I was in Ndhiwa some years back when the daughter to Sen. Kiraitu was married there. Also, the Member of Parliament for South Imenti,...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) But then since I did the caution, I think it is fair enough that---

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Could the technical team give us a better sound?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Yes, many Senators would want to speak on this important matter. So, if we have consensus--- Yes, Sen. Sifuna. Hon. Members Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, we had also agreed that those of us who had spoken earlier do not need to speak again, so that...

Sen. Kathuri Mr. Speaker, Sir, I want to conclude by saying that I agree with what the Senator for Meru is suggesting. In fact, it will be good for the whole country to see for themselves the sort of amazing things that we are told in the CPAC. You ask...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I beg to move that debate on the Motion be limited to 10 minutes. Alternatively, we can agree to do five or 20 minutes, depending on the time, so that many of us can ventilate. Standing Order No.111 on...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Just a minute, Sen. Veronica Maina. Sen. Catherine Mumma, did the Chair not caution the member? Of course, the Chair is managing the House. I cautioned the member not to tread in that manner. Maybe I am the one who has prompted you to think...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)If you read the document from the auditor, all that money, not even a coin, was used to supply water to any household. It was used, instead, for feasibility studies, facilitation of workshops, et cetera. What a shame to this governor?When he appeared before the Senate...

My Minority Leader has just stated that I come forward. Thank you, Hon. Speaker, for giving the great women of Ndhiwa Constituency of Homa Bay County the opportunity to come to the Speaker's Gallery. The illustrious women that are here this afternoon are women of this country who believe in...

Sen. Kathuri On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Kathuri I have the Floor, Majority Leader.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)and say that we will stop money from going to the counties, the Constitution limits the period to three months. So, we need to rethink the issue of the Appropriations Act in this country.Two, we need to also think generally, because, today, we are about to...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Speaker, Sir, this is a very important Motion brought by my colleague, Sen. Ledama. Every Senator who minds the affairs of this House and values devolution should take time to not only speak to, but also reflect about and what it means for this...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Let me start by commending the Minority Whip for this very good Motion and very timely. As I support this Motion, let me say that I have contacted the Secretariat to try and amend this Motion. Instead of these governors appearing before the two committees,...

Thank you Madam Temporary Speaker. As I rise to support the Motion. Many who follow me always ask whether the substantive Speaker of the Senate is a Madam. This is because whenever I speak, it is about a Madam Speaker, while the others are saying Mr. Speaker.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Order. Still, the system is not okay. The mic is not--- Can you use the Dispatch box?

Mr. Deputy Speaker, sir, I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table of the Senate today, Thursday, 26th March, 2026- Volume one of the report of the Senate County Public Accounts Committee on the consideration of the reports of the Auditor-General on the financial statements of the following...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, sir, I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table of the Senate today, Thursday, 26th March, 2026- Volume one of the report of the Senate County Public Accounts Committee on the consideration of the reports of the Auditor-General on the...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Just a minute, Sen. Cherarkey. There is a point of order from Sen. Osotsi.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Sen. Maanzo. I did not make my position that you should take three minutes, but you have used exactly that. Any other Senator getting a chance to comment should use three minutes. Proceed, Sen. Joe Nyutu.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I am told that the system is being improved every day. Therefore, issues that you are raising are on record. March 26, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 7

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. On behalf of my sister and good friend, Sen. Hamida Kibwana, allow me to prosecute her agenda on contamination of the Nairobi River with antibiotics and pharmaceutical waste. I rise under Standing Order 53 (1) to seek a Statement...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) What is it, Sen. Cherarkey?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Who is on the Floor? What do you want? March 26, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 15 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)Proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Order, Sen. Cherarkey. I am happy that you have mentioned that my colleague, who was the Chair yesterday, gave some direction and we stand by that. Personally, I could not hear Sen. Kinyua very well and I stated so because he was straining to read...

Madam Temporary Speaker, the Deputy Speaker is a custodian of rules and procedures in this House. He is aware that when you are speaking in this House, you address the Chair; you do not address the gallery. Is the Deputy Speaker in order to address the gallery to the point...

You can make as much noise? The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Methu, I can see you really want to engage the Chair. I gave you the last warning this afternoon, but I can see you still want to really be active on TikTok this evening. What I am saying...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I have guided you that immediately I gave Sen. Osotsi the opportunity, I gave you the mic.

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. That is CPAC tabling their papers. I just wanted to get clarification from you because 31st, next Tuesday, is the constitutional deadline for the Senate to consider, examine and take appropriate action on the audit report. I am concerned because today is Thursday and...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Sifuna, just a moment. So, please, either substantiate or withdraw, or I will need the HANSARD before the end of this session.

Exactly. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) This is because it could---

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, on behalf of the Leader of Majority, pursuant to Standing Order 57 (1) , I hereby present to the Senate, the Business for the Week commencing Tuesday, 31st March, 2026. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the legislative Business before the Senate is...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Cherarkey, the next thing I will do is to request the HANSARD immediately, which will be printed and brought before this House.

Yes, it is good you acknowledge--- The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) It could capture interventions and when Senators want to speak. Interventions were very clear. So, this system should be reconfigured.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, I have categorically said that we need this system to be improved. While I am here as the Chair, if you have this display with you, this is not giving the Chair latitude to manage the House. So, as you work on this...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, they are conversing so loudly across the Floor. Apart from the reduction in human error, we also have the reliability of the fact that with the automotive operation of AI, we have 24-hour services in offices, for example, where you need customer care services. We have...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) This system is now on your gadgets. Sen. Olekina is not present. Sen. Beth Syengo is not present. Sen. Osotsi Godfrey, you have the Floor. March 26, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 12

incorporate AI in the medical, business, education and every other sector that will ensure rapid empowerment of our people.Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Mumma) Hon. Senators, I have a Communication to make. (Interruption of debate on Motion) COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR VISITING DELEGATION FROM URUKU GIRLS...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) What I request the Table to assist me to do is to get the HANSARD right away. I said that. Sen. Sifuna, I gave my direction as the Chair. (Sen. Sifuna stood at his place) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) : Sen. Sifuna, have your...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Our technical team should improve on the sound system. Yes, Sen. Sigei.

Clarification, Mr. Deputy Speaker. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Okay, proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, I want to reorganize the business appearing on our Order Paper. We will be coming back to the comments on statements, but first, I want us to do Order No.9. (Interruption of Statements) INCLUSION OF TEACHER TRAINING COLLEGE STUDENTS IN HELB FUNDING MODEL...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, I know that we have made a comment on this system and as we go out--- By the way, first, I must also inform this House that since I was sworn-in in September, 2022, today is the first time that I have been cautioned. I have never...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. That is CPAC tabling their papers. I just wanted to get clarification from you because 31st, next Tuesday, is the constitutional deadline for the Senate to consider, examine and take appropriate action on the audit report. I am concerned...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Cherarkey, let me reason with Sen. Osotsi again. You have all the time. You are not in a hurry today.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Fair enough, Sen. Sigei. Commissioner Wamatinga, you have been mentioned by Sen. Cherarkey.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Osotsi, let me help you further. Sen. Cherarkey, you know after I gave Sen. Osotsi an opportunity to contribute or to make March 26, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 14 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)maybe a comment on the Statement, I immediately gave you the opportunity...

Indeed, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. (An hon. Senator spoke off record) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) You will be heard uninterrupted for the next eight minutes.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Clarification, Mr. Deputy Speaker. March 26, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 24

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Statement by Sen. Hamida Kibwana is also deferred. CONTAMINATION OF NAIROBI RIVER NURSES’ STRIKE NOTICE IN LAIKIPIA COUNTY

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) So, what is your point of order? You know you cannot execute and debate your point of order. Sen. Osotsi, you have been around for some time, so your point of order should be very clear and to the point. Sen. Cherarkey, there is a...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity to contribute. I also want to start by contributing to the Statement by Sen. Kinyua from Laikipia. Indeed, the role of the nurses in this country, in any part of the world, is so...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Wait for the Commissioner to finish because we are seeking for a solution. (Sen. Cherarkey spoke off record) Who has given you the Floor? Please, sit down. Sen. Cherarkey, you know I have a lot of respect for you as my good friend and counsel...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, my clarification is based on the system that is running in the House. You might notice that I was on the dashboard for quite some time on a point of intervention, but I could not catch your eye, or at least, I was not registered on...

I was seeking your attention on a point of intervention. In fact, I realise that when Sen. Boni Khalwale raised the issue that he raised, the students are actually behind you and you cannot see them because maybe there is no system for you to see them. The students will...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Order, Senators. When there is any procession, you must be very attentive and respect the Chair. Clerk, do we have quorum? (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted the Deputy Speaker) Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Sen. Maanzo and Sen....

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Order. Still, the system is not okay. The mic is not--- Can you use the Dispatch box?

Mr. Deputy Speaker, sir, I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table of the Senate today, Thursday, 26th March, 2026- Volume one of the report of the Senate County Public Accounts Committee on the consideration of the reports of the Auditor-General on the financial statements of the following...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, sir, I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table of the Senate today, Thursday, 26th March, 2026- Volume one of the report of the Senate County Public Accounts Committee on the consideration of the reports of the Auditor-General on the...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Just a minute, Sen. Cherarkey. There is a point of order from Sen. Osotsi.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Sen. Maanzo. I did not make my position that you should take three minutes, but you have used exactly that. Any other Senator getting a chance to comment should use three minutes. Proceed, Sen. Joe Nyutu.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I am told that the system is being improved every day. Therefore, issues that you are raising are on record. March 26, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 7

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. On behalf of my sister and good friend, Sen. Hamida Kibwana, allow me to prosecute her agenda on contamination of the Nairobi River with antibiotics and pharmaceutical waste. I rise under Standing Order 53 (1) to seek a Statement...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) What is it, Sen. Cherarkey?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Who is on the Floor? What do you want? March 26, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 15 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)Proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Order, Sen. Cherarkey. I am happy that you have mentioned that my colleague, who was the Chair yesterday, gave some direction and we stand by that. Personally, I could not hear Sen. Kinyua very well and I stated so because he was straining to read...

Madam Temporary Speaker, the Deputy Speaker is a custodian of rules and procedures in this House. He is aware that when you are speaking in this House, you address the Chair; you do not address the gallery. Is the Deputy Speaker in order to address the gallery to the point...

You can make as much noise? The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Methu, I can see you really want to engage the Chair. I gave you the last warning this afternoon, but I can see you still want to really be active on TikTok this evening. What I am saying...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I have guided you that immediately I gave Sen. Osotsi the opportunity, I gave you the mic.

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. That is CPAC tabling their papers. I just wanted to get clarification from you because 31st, next Tuesday, is the constitutional deadline for the Senate to consider, examine and take appropriate action on the audit report. I am concerned because today is Thursday and...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Sifuna, just a moment. So, please, either substantiate or withdraw, or I will need the HANSARD before the end of this session.

Exactly. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) This is because it could---

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, on behalf of the Leader of Majority, pursuant to Standing Order 57 (1) , I hereby present to the Senate, the Business for the Week commencing Tuesday, 31st March, 2026. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the legislative Business before the Senate is...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Cherarkey, the next thing I will do is to request the HANSARD immediately, which will be printed and brought before this House.

Yes, it is good you acknowledge--- The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) It could capture interventions and when Senators want to speak. Interventions were very clear. So, this system should be reconfigured.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, I have categorically said that we need this system to be improved. While I am here as the Chair, if you have this display with you, this is not giving the Chair latitude to manage the House. So, as you work on this...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, they are conversing so loudly across the Floor. Apart from the reduction in human error, we also have the reliability of the fact that with the automotive operation of AI, we have 24-hour services in offices, for example, where you need customer care services. We have...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) This system is now on your gadgets. Sen. Olekina is not present. Sen. Beth Syengo is not present. Sen. Osotsi Godfrey, you have the Floor. March 26, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 12

incorporate AI in the medical, business, education and every other sector that will ensure rapid empowerment of our people.Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Mumma) Hon. Senators, I have a Communication to make. (Interruption of debate on Motion) COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR VISITING DELEGATION FROM URUKU GIRLS...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) What I request the Table to assist me to do is to get the HANSARD right away. I said that. Sen. Sifuna, I gave my direction as the Chair. (Sen. Sifuna stood at his place) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) : Sen. Sifuna, have your...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Our technical team should improve on the sound system. Yes, Sen. Sigei.

Clarification, Mr. Deputy Speaker. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Okay, proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, I want to reorganize the business appearing on our Order Paper. We will be coming back to the comments on statements, but first, I want us to do Order No.9. (Interruption of Statements) INCLUSION OF TEACHER TRAINING COLLEGE STUDENTS IN HELB FUNDING MODEL...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, I know that we have made a comment on this system and as we go out--- By the way, first, I must also inform this House that since I was sworn-in in September, 2022, today is the first time that I have been cautioned. I have never...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. That is CPAC tabling their papers. I just wanted to get clarification from you because 31st, next Tuesday, is the constitutional deadline for the Senate to consider, examine and take appropriate action on the audit report. I am concerned...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Cherarkey, let me reason with Sen. Osotsi again. You have all the time. You are not in a hurry today.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Fair enough, Sen. Sigei. Commissioner Wamatinga, you have been mentioned by Sen. Cherarkey.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Osotsi, let me help you further. Sen. Cherarkey, you know after I gave Sen. Osotsi an opportunity to contribute or to make March 26, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 14 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)maybe a comment on the Statement, I immediately gave you the opportunity...

Indeed, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. (An hon. Senator spoke off record) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) You will be heard uninterrupted for the next eight minutes.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Clarification, Mr. Deputy Speaker. March 26, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 24

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Statement by Sen. Hamida Kibwana is also deferred. CONTAMINATION OF NAIROBI RIVER NURSES’ STRIKE NOTICE IN LAIKIPIA COUNTY

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) So, what is your point of order? You know you cannot execute and debate your point of order. Sen. Osotsi, you have been around for some time, so your point of order should be very clear and to the point. Sen. Cherarkey, there is a...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity to contribute. I also want to start by contributing to the Statement by Sen. Kinyua from Laikipia. Indeed, the role of the nurses in this country, in any part of the world, is so...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Wait for the Commissioner to finish because we are seeking for a solution. (Sen. Cherarkey spoke off record) Who has given you the Floor? Please, sit down. Sen. Cherarkey, you know I have a lot of respect for you as my good friend and counsel...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, my clarification is based on the system that is running in the House. You might notice that I was on the dashboard for quite some time on a point of intervention, but I could not catch your eye, or at least, I was not registered on...

I was seeking your attention on a point of intervention. In fact, I realise that when Sen. Boni Khalwale raised the issue that he raised, the students are actually behind you and you cannot see them because maybe there is no system for you to see them. The students will...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Order, Senators. When there is any procession, you must be very attentive and respect the Chair. Clerk, do we have quorum? (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted the Deputy Speaker) Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Sen. Maanzo and Sen....

Mr. Deputy Speaker, I just want to inform our very respected chair that, in fact, in the USA, the practice is that the moment the governor leaves the state, the alternate governor, they call him the lieutenant governor, would take over and it is like a given. In our counties...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Give him one minute to conclude his submission. Sen. M. Kajwang’: Thank you for your kindness. I just want us, as a House, to again, after the Justice, Legal Affairs and Human Rights Committee is done with this petition, that the Committee on Devolution and...

accommodate a requirement that gives a standard and a uniform mode of nominating members of the CECMs of counties. However, the position that the committee has taken is that; because of the diversification in our various counties, the standard for nomination is acceptable in law, but as to the numbers...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed, Sen. Cherarkey.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, I just want to inform our very respected chair that, in fact, in the USA, the practice is that the moment the governor leaves the state, the alternate governor, they call him the lieutenant governor, would take over and it is like...

Sorry, I meant Senator, but you have your people from Meru. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) You have one minute. March 19, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 31

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I beg to move the following Motion- AWARE THAT, the Constitution of Kenya under Article 43 (1) (f) guarantees every citizen the right to education, and Article 53 (1) (b) provides that basic education is free and compulsory; FURTHER AWARE THAT, the Government of...

Sen. Joyce would not be just excited that women are nominated to be deputy governors. That is not enough. They must be given real power to exercise.The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri): Sen. Joyce would not be just excited that women are nominated to be deputy governors. That is not enough....

Definitely, he is my senior. I wish to be informed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Before I open the Floor for debate, let me make this Communication. (Interruption of debate on Motion) COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE CHAIR MR. OBINO NYAMBANE’S VISIT TO THE SENATE

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Sigei, you should have comfort. Sen. Mungatana gave you all the accolades that you are one of the best chairs. As the Chairperson of the Liaison Committee, I confirm that you are doing so well in your committee. So, when yours truly is seated...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, I have another Communication to make. VISITING DELEGATIONS FROM KIANJOGU SECONDARY SCHOOL AND KIENI COMPREHENSIVE SCHOOL, NYERI COUNTY (Applause)

March 19, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 40

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Fair enough. Now let us go back to our normal business. I now want to open the Floor for debate on the Motion by the Committee on Justice, Legal Affairs and Human Rights. Proceed, Sen. Cherarkey Samson.

governor, appointed ultimately to be CPSBs members and approved by the county assembly will interfere with their independence because of possible conflict of interest.This is something that is currently exhibited in the County Government of Bomet where the CPSB previously was fully micromanaged and controlled by the governor. Several matters...

Thank you, Sen. Mungatana, for that very important information. I hope we can put it in law, regulation or in certain procedures and policies. There is a time the joke was that every day at 6.00 p.m., the governors of Mombasa and of Kilifi counties would bypass each other at...

March 19, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 40

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, I have another Communication to make. VISITING DELEGATIONS FROM KIANJOGU SECONDARY SCHOOL AND KIENI COMPREHENSIVE SCHOOL, NYERI COUNTY (Applause)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Fair enough. Now let us go back to our normal business. I now want to open the Floor for debate on the Motion by the Committee on Justice, Legal Affairs and Human Rights. Proceed, Sen. Cherarkey Samson.

Definitely, he is my senior. I wish to be informed.

Sen. Joyce would not be just excited that women are nominated to be deputy governors. That is not enough. They must be given real power to exercise.The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri): Sen. Joyce would not be just excited that women are nominated to be deputy governors. That is not enough....

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Sigei, you should have comfort. Sen. Mungatana gave you all the accolades that you are one of the best chairs. As the Chairperson of the Liaison Committee, I confirm that you are doing so well in your committee. So, when yours truly is seated...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, I just want to inform our very respected chair that, in fact, in the USA, the practice is that the moment the governor leaves the state, the alternate governor, they call him the lieutenant governor, would take over and it is like a given. In our counties...

accommodate a requirement that gives a standard and a uniform mode of nominating members of the CECMs of counties. However, the position that the committee has taken is that; because of the diversification in our various counties, the standard for nomination is acceptable in law, but as to the numbers...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Before I open the Floor for debate, let me make this Communication. (Interruption of debate on Motion) COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE CHAIR MR. OBINO NYAMBANE’S VISIT TO THE SENATE

governor, appointed ultimately to be CPSBs members and approved by the county assembly will interfere with their independence because of possible conflict of interest.This is something that is currently exhibited in the County Government of Bomet where the CPSB previously was fully micromanaged and controlled by the governor. Several matters...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Give him one minute to conclude his submission. Sen. M. Kajwang’: Thank you for your kindness. I just want us, as a House, to again, after the Justice, Legal Affairs and Human Rights Committee is done with this petition, that the Committee on Devolution and...

Sorry, I meant Senator, but you have your people from Meru. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) You have one minute. March 19, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 31

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed, Sen. Cherarkey.

Thank you, Sen. Mungatana, for that very important information. I hope we can put it in law, regulation or in certain procedures and policies. There is a time the joke was that every day at 6.00 p.m., the governors of Mombasa and of Kilifi counties would bypass each other at...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, I just want to inform our very respected chair that, in fact, in the USA, the practice is that the moment the governor leaves the state, the alternate governor, they call him the lieutenant governor, would take over and it is like...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I beg to move the following Motion- AWARE THAT, the Constitution of Kenya under Article 43 (1) (f) guarantees every citizen the right to education, and Article 53 (1) (b) provides that basic education is free and compulsory; FURTHER AWARE THAT, the Government of...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, I just want to inform our very respected chair that, in fact, in the USA, the practice is that the moment the governor leaves the state, the alternate governor, they call him the lieutenant governor, would take over and it is like a given. In our counties...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Give him one minute to conclude his submission. Sen. M. Kajwang’: Thank you for your kindness. I just want us, as a House, to again, after the Justice, Legal Affairs and Human Rights Committee is done with this petition, that the Committee on Devolution and...

accommodate a requirement that gives a standard and a uniform mode of nominating members of the CECMs of counties. However, the position that the committee has taken is that; because of the diversification in our various counties, the standard for nomination is acceptable in law, but as to the numbers...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed, Sen. Cherarkey.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, I just want to inform our very respected chair that, in fact, in the USA, the practice is that the moment the governor leaves the state, the alternate governor, they call him the lieutenant governor, would take over and it is like...

Sorry, I meant Senator, but you have your people from Meru. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) You have one minute. March 19, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 31

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I beg to move the following Motion- AWARE THAT, the Constitution of Kenya under Article 43 (1) (f) guarantees every citizen the right to education, and Article 53 (1) (b) provides that basic education is free and compulsory; FURTHER AWARE THAT, the Government of...

Sen. Joyce would not be just excited that women are nominated to be deputy governors. That is not enough. They must be given real power to exercise.The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri): Sen. Joyce would not be just excited that women are nominated to be deputy governors. That is not enough....

Definitely, he is my senior. I wish to be informed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Before I open the Floor for debate, let me make this Communication. (Interruption of debate on Motion) COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE CHAIR MR. OBINO NYAMBANE’S VISIT TO THE SENATE

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Sigei, you should have comfort. Sen. Mungatana gave you all the accolades that you are one of the best chairs. As the Chairperson of the Liaison Committee, I confirm that you are doing so well in your committee. So, when yours truly is seated...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, I have another Communication to make. VISITING DELEGATIONS FROM KIANJOGU SECONDARY SCHOOL AND KIENI COMPREHENSIVE SCHOOL, NYERI COUNTY (Applause)

March 19, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 40

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Fair enough. Now let us go back to our normal business. I now want to open the Floor for debate on the Motion by the Committee on Justice, Legal Affairs and Human Rights. Proceed, Sen. Cherarkey Samson.

governor, appointed ultimately to be CPSBs members and approved by the county assembly will interfere with their independence because of possible conflict of interest.This is something that is currently exhibited in the County Government of Bomet where the CPSB previously was fully micromanaged and controlled by the governor. Several matters...

Thank you, Sen. Mungatana, for that very important information. I hope we can put it in law, regulation or in certain procedures and policies. There is a time the joke was that every day at 6.00 p.m., the governors of Mombasa and of Kilifi counties would bypass each other at...

March 19, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 40

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, I have another Communication to make. VISITING DELEGATIONS FROM KIANJOGU SECONDARY SCHOOL AND KIENI COMPREHENSIVE SCHOOL, NYERI COUNTY (Applause)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Fair enough. Now let us go back to our normal business. I now want to open the Floor for debate on the Motion by the Committee on Justice, Legal Affairs and Human Rights. Proceed, Sen. Cherarkey Samson.

Definitely, he is my senior. I wish to be informed.

Sen. Joyce would not be just excited that women are nominated to be deputy governors. That is not enough. They must be given real power to exercise.The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri): Sen. Joyce would not be just excited that women are nominated to be deputy governors. That is not enough....

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Sigei, you should have comfort. Sen. Mungatana gave you all the accolades that you are one of the best chairs. As the Chairperson of the Liaison Committee, I confirm that you are doing so well in your committee. So, when yours truly is seated...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, I just want to inform our very respected chair that, in fact, in the USA, the practice is that the moment the governor leaves the state, the alternate governor, they call him the lieutenant governor, would take over and it is like a given. In our counties...

accommodate a requirement that gives a standard and a uniform mode of nominating members of the CECMs of counties. However, the position that the committee has taken is that; because of the diversification in our various counties, the standard for nomination is acceptable in law, but as to the numbers...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Before I open the Floor for debate, let me make this Communication. (Interruption of debate on Motion) COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE CHAIR MR. OBINO NYAMBANE’S VISIT TO THE SENATE

governor, appointed ultimately to be CPSBs members and approved by the county assembly will interfere with their independence because of possible conflict of interest.This is something that is currently exhibited in the County Government of Bomet where the CPSB previously was fully micromanaged and controlled by the governor. Several matters...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Give him one minute to conclude his submission. Sen. M. Kajwang’: Thank you for your kindness. I just want us, as a House, to again, after the Justice, Legal Affairs and Human Rights Committee is done with this petition, that the Committee on Devolution and...

Sorry, I meant Senator, but you have your people from Meru. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) You have one minute. March 19, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 31

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed, Sen. Cherarkey.

Thank you, Sen. Mungatana, for that very important information. I hope we can put it in law, regulation or in certain procedures and policies. There is a time the joke was that every day at 6.00 p.m., the governors of Mombasa and of Kilifi counties would bypass each other at...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, I just want to inform our very respected chair that, in fact, in the USA, the practice is that the moment the governor leaves the state, the alternate governor, they call him the lieutenant governor, would take over and it is like...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I beg to move the following Motion- AWARE THAT, the Constitution of Kenya under Article 43 (1) (f) guarantees every citizen the right to education, and Article 53 (1) (b) provides that basic education is free and compulsory; FURTHER AWARE THAT, the Government of...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Cabinet Secretary, before you leave, there were three commitments copied to your Ministry. I understand the Secretariat shared this information with the Ministry. One was from Sen. Mwinyihaji Faki. He sought follow-up with the KURA to explain the steps being taken to address flooding...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) He did not say four months.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Waziri, most of the roads in our counties are murram roads and every year, during the rainy season, those roads are washed away. Do you have structured mechanisms where, on a yearly basis, you are able to maintain those...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, and Hon. Cabinet Secretary. I rise to inquire about the road from Laikipia through Loruk and Marigat. It also connects Kapedo and Chemolingot to Nakuru. Last year, there were water increments in Lake Baringo. The road from Loruk to Nakuru was swallowed. This year,...

March 18, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 28 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) the lowest point. Investors built on both sides of the road and there was no waterway for drainage to the lower points of the rivers.I have a written response. I have signed it. The flooding section of the Links...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)site is in a bunker for security, so that gets very expensive, but a lot of work is being done.We have monthly meetings with my colleagues from the Ministry of Interior and National Administration and the Ministry of Defence to address security issues, because the interplay...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Who gave you the Floor?

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I would just like to get a clarification for the residents of Samburu County and the neighboring counties on the March 18, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 24

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) The last time Waziri was here, he promised to erect bumps on Chebilat-Nyansiongo-Metamaywa Road that has been prone to many accidents. Since the time he was here, we have had two near fatal accidents and he had promised that the Government was considering expanding that...

Thank you, Senator for West Pokot County. Proceed, Sen. Cherarkey, to second.

Sorry, Madam Temporary Speaker. The Commonwealth Parliamentary Association (CPA) was founded in 1911 by the international community of commonwealth parliaments and legislatures working together to deepen the commonwealth commitment to the highest standards of democratic governance and parliamentary practise. It offers parliamentarians and parliamentary staff an avenue for collaboration on...

Because he is the only one--- The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Who gave you the Floor?

Then let me walk on--- You know some people here get very agitated when we speak about the President. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri): Sen. Kathuri): Hon. Cabinet Secretary, our new Member from Baringo County is not being recognised by the system. You can use the Dispatch to ask your...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri): Sen. Kathuri):irrelevant, introduce debate and bring the President into the mix? He can do those politics on the corridors of---The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri): Sen. Methu, if you are asking a question on road safety, do not introduce other names of members of the public...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Senator, I remind you that I am the one on the seat. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sorry, Madam Temporary Speaker. The Commonwealth Parliamentary Association (CPA) was founded in 1911 by the international community of commonwealth parliaments and legislatures working together to deepen the commonwealth...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

He did not say four months. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) He did, he said so. You know, that is why we have to listen to all the details. You have a commitment, between four to six months, the road will be done, good drainage, beautification and all those things....

hope to the people and this disability truncates many things. I thank former Vice President Moody Owuor because he was the pioneer of prison reforms and also the Disability Act of 2003 that gave birth to Article 54 of the Constitution.Kenyans should know that we are not discussing this report...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri): Sen. Kathuri): Now you are turning this House into a showdown, which I cannot allow. Sen. Methu: Why does Sen. Cherarkey not allow me to ask my question which is on safety? Is the Cabinet Secretary aware that out of the nature of that road,...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri): I do not know why this Sen. Cherarkey keeps disturbing people. Why do you not you allow us to speak? I have been given the Floor. You shall get an opportunity to speak. Sen. Kathuri): Why are you addressing Sen. Cherarkey? Who gave you the...

Thank you and congratulations on being elected as the Temporary Speaker for today's session. That shows the faith the House has on you to discharge, of course, as a ranking Member of this House to be the Temporary Speaker for the purposes of the ongoing works. As I rise to...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Waziri, you are aware of the problems that the people of Nairobi are facing during the current rains. One of the major roads that floods and brings the entire city to a standstill is Mombasa Road. Waziri, there was Kshs9 billion that was given for...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Cabinet Secretary, that response is sufficient to table in the Table office. So, hon. Senators, that is the end of the session with the Cabinet Secretary for Roads and Transport. Thank you, Cabinet Secretary and your team for continuously appearing before the Senate. You have...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Waziri, most of the roads in our counties are murram roads and every year, during the rainy season, those roads are washed away. Do you have structured mechanisms where, on a yearly basis, you are able to maintain those roads? The Deputy Speaker (Sen....

Why are you allowing him to shout at me? The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Now you are turning this House into a showdown, which I cannot allow.

Okay, some honourable Senators get very agitated when you mention the President. He is the President of Kenya. If he does not want to be mentioned, he has other duties he can undertake. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)Thank you.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you and congratulations on being elected as the Temporary Speaker for today's session. That shows the faith the House has on you to discharge, of course, as a ranking Member of this House to be the Temporary Speaker for the purposes of the ongoing...

Thank you very much, “Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.” I beg to move the following Motion- THAT, the Senate notes the Report of the 3rd Commonwealth Parliamentarians with Disabilities (CPwD) Africa Region Conference held in Lusaka, Zambia from 24th -28th February, 2025, laid on the Table of the Senate on 7th...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) So, the Chairperson of the Committee on Health, you can give that other commitment or update the House whether you have started engaging the Cabinet Secretary for Health on the SHA annual report.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Mandago, you are Chairperson of the Committee on Health and a lot of issues by many speakers have come your way. As the Chairperson, we would like to have that information soonest time possible. I direct that you give us the maximum time you...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, I know this Bill has been committed to the Committee on Finance and Budget. I also know that the oversight committees of CPAC and CPISFC interact with audit processes daily. I request, through your office, that the two committees also consider this...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Yes, Sen. Omogeni.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Order, hon. Senators. Let me make this communication regarding visiting teachers and students from Nyangarithi and Nyakinyua comprehensive schools in Nyeri County. Hon. Senators, I would like to acknowledge the presence in the public gallery this afternoon of visiting teachers and students from Nyangarithi and...

Sen. Kathuri Thank you, Hon. Speaker, for this opportunity again to make a brief comment on the statement requested by the Senator for Kitui County, Sen. Enock Wambua. The issue I was trying to address in his statement is how farmers in the arid and semi-arid areas can get good...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I do not know whether your colleagues, Sen. Mandago and Sen. Kinyua, have given you enough orientation that you must also see them nyuma ya tent. (Applause)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Omogeni Erick, please proceed. (Loud consultations)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed, Senate Majority Leader.

Sen. Kathuri Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a statement from the Standing Committee on National Security, Defense and Foreign Relations on a matter of countywide concern regarding the renewed and escalating banditry attacks in the northern grazing zone in Meru County. In...

Sen. Kathuri Bwana Spika, nimefuatilia kwa umakini maoni ya Seneta wa Kaunti ya Embu. Nashindwa kuelewa hiki “chakula cha kupandwa” ni gani? Sielewi chakula cha kupandwa ni nini? (Laughter) March 18, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 9 Sen. KathuriNimefuatilia pia taarifa iliyoletwa na Seneta wa Kaunti ya Kitui kwa sababu ni muhimu...

Sen. Kathuri) : Sen. Kathuri) :(Bill deferred)On this business, Sen. Veronica Maina is not in the House, so this business is deferred. Next Order. March 18, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 29

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, remember, we were concluding the statements and I can see that the list is still growing. I opened up more time because of the issues of national importance raised in various statements this afternoon. If we do not transact other business, but sort...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Senator, proceed and make your contributions. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I support this Bill by Sen. Okong’o Omogeni. It is a very important amendment, with the challenges that lie ahead notwithstanding. This is a very noble initiative. Now...

I wanted to deal with Sen. Omogeni, but that one is beside the point. Let me continue to make my comments on the Health (Amendment) Bill (Senate Bills No.12 of 2025) . There is an introduction of Section 7A, where it is illegal, unconstitutional, immoral and abuse of human dignity...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, I have this Communication to make. COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR VISITING DELEGATION FROM KUIKUI SENIOR SCHOOL IN BARINGO COUNTY The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, I would like to acknowledge the presence in the public gallery this afternoon of visiting teachers and...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Nderitu John Kinyua.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Mohammed Chute, you have two minutes.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Chute.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Cabinet Secretary, before you leave, there were three commitments copied to your Ministry. I understand the Secretariat shared this information with the Ministry. One was from Sen. Mwinyihaji Faki. He sought follow-up with the KURA to explain the steps being taken to address flooding...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) He did not say four months.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Waziri, most of the roads in our counties are murram roads and every year, during the rainy season, those roads are washed away. Do you have structured mechanisms where, on a yearly basis, you are able to maintain those...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, and Hon. Cabinet Secretary. I rise to inquire about the road from Laikipia through Loruk and Marigat. It also connects Kapedo and Chemolingot to Nakuru. Last year, there were water increments in Lake Baringo. The road from Loruk to Nakuru was swallowed. This year,...

March 18, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 28 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) the lowest point. Investors built on both sides of the road and there was no waterway for drainage to the lower points of the rivers.I have a written response. I have signed it. The flooding section of the Links...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)site is in a bunker for security, so that gets very expensive, but a lot of work is being done.We have monthly meetings with my colleagues from the Ministry of Interior and National Administration and the Ministry of Defence to address security issues, because the interplay...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Who gave you the Floor?

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I would just like to get a clarification for the residents of Samburu County and the neighboring counties on the March 18, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 24

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) The last time Waziri was here, he promised to erect bumps on Chebilat-Nyansiongo-Metamaywa Road that has been prone to many accidents. Since the time he was here, we have had two near fatal accidents and he had promised that the Government was considering expanding that...

Thank you, Senator for West Pokot County. Proceed, Sen. Cherarkey, to second.

Sorry, Madam Temporary Speaker. The Commonwealth Parliamentary Association (CPA) was founded in 1911 by the international community of commonwealth parliaments and legislatures working together to deepen the commonwealth commitment to the highest standards of democratic governance and parliamentary practise. It offers parliamentarians and parliamentary staff an avenue for collaboration on...

Because he is the only one--- The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Who gave you the Floor?

Then let me walk on--- You know some people here get very agitated when we speak about the President. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri): Sen. Kathuri): Hon. Cabinet Secretary, our new Member from Baringo County is not being recognised by the system. You can use the Dispatch to ask your...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri): Sen. Kathuri):irrelevant, introduce debate and bring the President into the mix? He can do those politics on the corridors of---The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri): Sen. Methu, if you are asking a question on road safety, do not introduce other names of members of the public...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Senator, I remind you that I am the one on the seat. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sorry, Madam Temporary Speaker. The Commonwealth Parliamentary Association (CPA) was founded in 1911 by the international community of commonwealth parliaments and legislatures working together to deepen the commonwealth...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

He did not say four months. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) He did, he said so. You know, that is why we have to listen to all the details. You have a commitment, between four to six months, the road will be done, good drainage, beautification and all those things....

hope to the people and this disability truncates many things. I thank former Vice President Moody Owuor because he was the pioneer of prison reforms and also the Disability Act of 2003 that gave birth to Article 54 of the Constitution.Kenyans should know that we are not discussing this report...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri): Sen. Kathuri): Now you are turning this House into a showdown, which I cannot allow. Sen. Methu: Why does Sen. Cherarkey not allow me to ask my question which is on safety? Is the Cabinet Secretary aware that out of the nature of that road,...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri): I do not know why this Sen. Cherarkey keeps disturbing people. Why do you not you allow us to speak? I have been given the Floor. You shall get an opportunity to speak. Sen. Kathuri): Why are you addressing Sen. Cherarkey? Who gave you the...

Thank you and congratulations on being elected as the Temporary Speaker for today's session. That shows the faith the House has on you to discharge, of course, as a ranking Member of this House to be the Temporary Speaker for the purposes of the ongoing works. As I rise to...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Waziri, you are aware of the problems that the people of Nairobi are facing during the current rains. One of the major roads that floods and brings the entire city to a standstill is Mombasa Road. Waziri, there was Kshs9 billion that was given for...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Cabinet Secretary, that response is sufficient to table in the Table office. So, hon. Senators, that is the end of the session with the Cabinet Secretary for Roads and Transport. Thank you, Cabinet Secretary and your team for continuously appearing before the Senate. You have...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Waziri, most of the roads in our counties are murram roads and every year, during the rainy season, those roads are washed away. Do you have structured mechanisms where, on a yearly basis, you are able to maintain those roads? The Deputy Speaker (Sen....

Why are you allowing him to shout at me? The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Now you are turning this House into a showdown, which I cannot allow.

Okay, some honourable Senators get very agitated when you mention the President. He is the President of Kenya. If he does not want to be mentioned, he has other duties he can undertake. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)Thank you.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you and congratulations on being elected as the Temporary Speaker for today's session. That shows the faith the House has on you to discharge, of course, as a ranking Member of this House to be the Temporary Speaker for the purposes of the ongoing...

Thank you very much, “Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.” I beg to move the following Motion- THAT, the Senate notes the Report of the 3rd Commonwealth Parliamentarians with Disabilities (CPwD) Africa Region Conference held in Lusaka, Zambia from 24th -28th February, 2025, laid on the Table of the Senate on 7th...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) So, the Chairperson of the Committee on Health, you can give that other commitment or update the House whether you have started engaging the Cabinet Secretary for Health on the SHA annual report.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Mandago, you are Chairperson of the Committee on Health and a lot of issues by many speakers have come your way. As the Chairperson, we would like to have that information soonest time possible. I direct that you give us the maximum time you...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, I know this Bill has been committed to the Committee on Finance and Budget. I also know that the oversight committees of CPAC and CPISFC interact with audit processes daily. I request, through your office, that the two committees also consider this...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Yes, Sen. Omogeni.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Order, hon. Senators. Let me make this communication regarding visiting teachers and students from Nyangarithi and Nyakinyua comprehensive schools in Nyeri County. Hon. Senators, I would like to acknowledge the presence in the public gallery this afternoon of visiting teachers and students from Nyangarithi and...

Sen. Kathuri Thank you, Hon. Speaker, for this opportunity again to make a brief comment on the statement requested by the Senator for Kitui County, Sen. Enock Wambua. The issue I was trying to address in his statement is how farmers in the arid and semi-arid areas can get good...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I do not know whether your colleagues, Sen. Mandago and Sen. Kinyua, have given you enough orientation that you must also see them nyuma ya tent. (Applause)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Omogeni Erick, please proceed. (Loud consultations)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed, Senate Majority Leader.

Sen. Kathuri Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a statement from the Standing Committee on National Security, Defense and Foreign Relations on a matter of countywide concern regarding the renewed and escalating banditry attacks in the northern grazing zone in Meru County. In...

Sen. Kathuri Bwana Spika, nimefuatilia kwa umakini maoni ya Seneta wa Kaunti ya Embu. Nashindwa kuelewa hiki “chakula cha kupandwa” ni gani? Sielewi chakula cha kupandwa ni nini? (Laughter) March 18, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 9 Sen. KathuriNimefuatilia pia taarifa iliyoletwa na Seneta wa Kaunti ya Kitui kwa sababu ni muhimu...

Sen. Kathuri) : Sen. Kathuri) :(Bill deferred)On this business, Sen. Veronica Maina is not in the House, so this business is deferred. Next Order. March 18, 2026 SENATE DEBATES 29

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, remember, we were concluding the statements and I can see that the list is still growing. I opened up more time because of the issues of national importance raised in various statements this afternoon. If we do not transact other business, but sort...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Senator, proceed and make your contributions. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I support this Bill by Sen. Okong’o Omogeni. It is a very important amendment, with the challenges that lie ahead notwithstanding. This is a very noble initiative. Now...

I wanted to deal with Sen. Omogeni, but that one is beside the point. Let me continue to make my comments on the Health (Amendment) Bill (Senate Bills No.12 of 2025) . There is an introduction of Section 7A, where it is illegal, unconstitutional, immoral and abuse of human dignity...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, I have this Communication to make. COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR VISITING DELEGATION FROM KUIKUI SENIOR SCHOOL IN BARINGO COUNTY The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, I would like to acknowledge the presence in the public gallery this afternoon of visiting teachers and...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Nderitu John Kinyua.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Mohammed Chute, you have two minutes.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Chute.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Osotsi is not here? The statement is deferred. (Statement deferred) Next statement by Hon. Catherine Mumma, MP? Yes, Senator for Nairobi City County?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Osotsi is not here? The statement is deferred. (Statement deferred) Next statement by Hon. Catherine Mumma, MP? Yes, Senator for Nairobi City County?