MAALIM, FARAH

Hon. Parashina.

I call upon the Chairperson to report to the House.

Departmental Committee Chair, move the motion for agreement with the Report of the Committee of the whole House.

Proceed, Hon. (Dr) Pukose.

I now call upon the Mover of the Bill to move Third Reading.

Order, Hon. Kiborek! You cannot disparage somebody who cannot defend himself in the House. You are allowed to enumerate facts, but you cannot use words that disparage him. Yes, Member for Nyando. We are on the Third Reading of the County Allocation of Revenue Bill (Senate Bill No.10 of 2026)...

Order, Hon. Okello. I can only allow point of information, which he accepted, but he needs a seconder now. You must be seconded first.

Leader of the Majority Party, proceed.

Hon. Mwenje, what is your point of order?

You have made your point. Proceed, Leader of the Majority Party.

Let us have the Member for Nyando.

Hon. Pukose, this is not a Second Reading debate. We are in the Third Reading. Be very brief.

Member for Manyatta Constituency, take as few minutes as possible.

You have made your point. Order, Hon. Members. For the information of the House, it was not in 1965. It was in 1969, if my memory serves me right. Am I right? An. Hon. Member: Yes. Yes, 1969. Order, Hon. Members. We are moving to the Third Reading of the...

Mover, Hon. Atandi. Sorry, it is the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning. Hon. Kuria Kimani, please, proceed and move agreement.

Order, Mover. You first agree with the report that the Chairperson has reported. You should say, "I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said report." Proceed. Do not go down, go up. There is a Mover after a Chairperson has spoken. Please, guide...

Hon. Oundo, I have a responsibility to protect the minority’s right to be heard also. Proceed and take the shortest time possible.

Order, Hon. Members. (Hon. Jared Okello consulted other Members) Member for Nyando Constituency, you cannot have your small meeting. (Question put and agreed to) Mover. THE CENTRAL BANK OF KENYA (AMENDMENT) BILL

Hon. Raso, Member of Parliament for Saku Constituency.

Next Order. Second Reading THE SOVEREIGN WEALTH FUND This is a resumption of debate. I am told you had exhausted it. There are Members who had not contributed. (Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose spoke off the record) Order! Order! Hon. Pukose, you do not help the Chair in running the House.

You are out order! Order, Deputy Leader of the Majority Party. You are out of order. Hon. Mishi Mboko. Proceed. The sequence is not determined by anybody, not by Hon. Baya, Hon. Ichung’wah or the Member for Nyando, but the Hon. Speaker. I am aware that we are time bound...

We will have Hon. Raso, the Member of Parliament for Saku followed by Hon. Mayaka.

What is out of order, Hon. Marianne?

Order, Hon. Members! (Question, that the Mover be now called upon to reply, put and negatived) Hon. Baya, what is your point of order?

Order! Order! Take your seat. Take your seat. Hon. Members, this is a House of rules. Order, Hon. Baya! Please, do not stretch my patience on this because I am a stickler for rules. You are out of order. Hon. Members, this is a House of rules. As a Member...

You have already done two minutes, so take less than a minute if you want to be sensitive to the Fisheries Management and Development Bill. Otherwise, I cannot stop you if you want to take your full time.

Hon. Mayaka.

Hon. Oundo, proceed.

There are only two Members left. Member for Wajir North, proceed.

Member for Manyatta, proceed.

Hon. Naomi, are you on a point of order or you want to contribute?

Hon. Members, as I said before, if you are conscious and considerate of one another, take a short time to make your contributions. Hon. (Dr) Mutunga.

Hon. Mwenje.

Hon. Sunkuyia.

Hon. Naomi, I hope you have had a conversation with your colleague.

What is your point of order, Hon. Ruweida? Hon. Ruweida Mohamed (Lamu East, JP) : Hon. Temporary Speaker, I rise under Standing Order 95. The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) : Hon. Members, I will put the question. (Question, that the Mover be now called upon to reply, put and...

Who is seconding you?

Yes, Dr Nyikal.

Serjeant-at-Arms, ring the Quorum Hon. Makilap, when the Quorum Bell is ringing, you are not allowed to leave the Chamber. That is the rule. You can only come in, but you cannot walk out of the Chamber. Deputy Leader of the Majority Party.

Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Environment, Forestry and Mining.

Chairperson, Budget and Appropriations Committee.

Next Order. NOTICE OF MOTION Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Environment, Forestry and Mining. APPROVAL OF VARIATION OF BOUNDARIES OF SPECIFIED PUBLIC FORESTS

Next Order. COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE HOUSE IN THE COMMITTEE THE KENYAN SIGN LANGUAGE BILL

Hon. Members, do you wish to weigh on this clause before I put the Question?

Hon. Wamboka, Member for Kabuchai. Hon. Rindikiri, proceed.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of the whole House has considered the Kenyan Sign Language Bill (Senate Bill No. 9 of 2023) and approved the same with amendments.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, you notice he is resorting to emotional and sentimental issues. He is giving the impression that, if you come along with him, he does not know whether Hon. Millie is available. So, Hon. Owen Baya, drop your recommittals and amendments. Drop the amendments, and we proceed. If...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I join my colleagues in commending the Movers of this very well-thought-out Bill. For the longest time, people living with different forms of disability in our country have not received sufficient attention regarding their welfare. Eighty per cent of the buildings in the country today are not...

Hon. Rindikiri.

Hon. Anthony Oluoch, this is your Bill.

Yes, you are. I am looking for any Member who is interested in contributing to it. Hon. Millie Odhiambo, are you interested? Those Members who are interested in contributing to the Penal Code (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bill No.53 of 2024) should press the intervention button. I do not see...

Next is Hon. John Makali.

Next is the Member for Mwingi West, Hon. Charles Nguna.

Next is Hon. Rindikiri.

Member for Nyando.

I want to recognise the presence of students from Kapolesobei Primary School, Sotik Constituency, Bomet County and those from Kiserian Adventist School, Kajiado West Constituency, Kajiado County. Let me give an opportunity to the gracious lady here to give words of encouragement to the students from the two schools.

Hon. Dawood, do you want to congratulate the students or do you want to contribute? In addition, there are students in the Speaker’s Gallery from Namgoi Mixed Day School from Chesumei Constituency, Nandi County. I would like the Member for West Mugirango to share words of wisdom with the students.

Hon. Jematiah, you are the only Member in the Chamber from Rift Valley at this moment. Two of the schools are from Rift Valley. Please, proceed. I can see the future presidents of this country. I can see the future senators, speakers, generals, and ladies who are going to become...

And character is everything.

Let us have Hon. Dawood, followed by Hon. Mishi Mboko.

Mhe. Mishi Mboko.

What is your point of order? Do you want to speak on the issue? I thought you were on a point of order. Nilidhani alikuwa anataka kusema utueleze Penal Code ni nini kwa Kiswahili lakini pengine hata yeye mwenyewe hajui. Endelea, Mhe. Mishi Mboko

Nidhamu, Mhe. Mishi Mboko. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members the time being 1:01 p.m., this House stands adjourned until this afternoon at 2:30 p.m. (The House rose at 1:01p.m.) Prepared by: Directorate of Hansard and Audio Services Parliament of Kenya. Published by: Clerk of the National Assembly Parliament Buildings Nairobi, Kenya.

Hon. Temporary Chairman, my position is that this can be defined to mean the whole country, 100 per cent of the country. This is exactly what Hon. Members said last time. We wanted an equalisation fund. The idea was that those areas that had been starved under Sessional Paper No.10...

Yes. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. Peter Kaluma) : Please approach the Temporary Chairman.

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I am just wondering why we need foreigners to manage our beaches. Why should foreigners be in the BMUs? There is no need. The Deputy Leader of the Majority Party said that there are no Somalis from Somalia engaged in fishing. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. Peter Kaluma)...

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Chairperson. The Temporary Chairperson (Hon. Peter Kaluma) : Yes, Hon. Farah Maalim. I have been to her constituency, and there are no Somalis fishermen. All those Somalis you see there are Kenyan Somalis. There is no way a foreigner can fish and become...

Let him inform me. The Temporary Chairperson (Hon. Peter Kaluma) : Yes, Chairperson.

We are legislating for future generations. Will we allow Chinese and other foreigners to be part of our BMUs? These are commercial entities coming in. They can have a corporate social responsibility (CSR) with the BMUs. They can even be invited to those meetings because they are significant buyers of...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, we are not far apart. We have an exclusive economic zone that is 200 nautical miles. We have national territorial waters that are 12 miles. We cannot stop navigation in the exclusive economic zones but we cannot allow somebody else to come and take advantage of the...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, we are getting somewhere. The BMU should keep a record of everyone operating on the lake, based on their identification cards and whether they are citizens or not.. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. Peter Kaluma) : That is catered for in the Bill.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. I have heard of two places. I have seen one for myself, where fish die of old age. One is Mogadishu, Somalia. They have the longest coastline in Africa yet they do not eat fish. So, the fish die of old age. I think we...

Hon. Namuar. I am talking about Turkana, Hon. Namuar and I share a few words like “ajok”. It is not parliamentary language. In Turkana, Sibiloi area, the fish die of old age. We must have a provision in this Bill - the Departmental Committee Chair must come up with an...

Mover of the Bill, move motion on agreement with the Committee’s Report.

Hon. Members, I cannot propose and put the question because we are out of time. (Putting the question deferred) ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, the House stands adjourned until Wednesday, 24th June 2026 at 9.30 a.m. (The House rose at 7.03 p.m.) Prepared by: Directorate of Hansard and Audio Services Parliament of...

Order, Members. (Hon. Kiborek Reuben spoke off the record) Hon. Kiborek, order. (A Member spoke off the record) Is it your business to ask him his point of order? (Hon. Onesmus Ngogoyo spoke off the record) Order, Hon. Ngogoyo. Hon. Tongoyo, you were on a point of order. Proceed.

Are you a lawyer?

Only lawyers can call one another “learned friends”. Proceed. (Loud consultations)

Order, Leader of the Majority Party. Hon. Members, this House should maintain its dignity. Yesterday, I told you that I will not send anyone out of the House because they will appear in the headlines seeking sympathy from Kenyans. This House’s dignity must be protected. If anyone starts a shouting...

Order, Hon. Caroli. You are a lawyer. You understand the traditions in all democracies. There are some institutions that cannot be discussed in the House. If you must discuss them, you must do so in camera. You cannot discuss the NIS, the Kenya Defence Forces (KDF) , the Navy or...

Order, Member for Gem. That is a point of argument. It is not a point of order. Proceed, Hon. Caroli.

Order. I do not know if you are in your first term or second term. You are in your first term. (Loud consultations)

Who was on the Floor at the time?

Leader of the Majority Party, followed by the Hon. Otiende Amollo.

Order, Leader of the Majority Party. You understand the rules very well. You cannot discuss a fellow Member's conduct both inside and outside the House without a substantive Motion.

Order, Hon. Member. I have heard you. I am listening to him keenly. The moment he crosses the boundary and discusses the conduct of the Member of Parliament for Narok North, even to say that he is not doing good enough for his people to get roads, I will rule...

Give him an additional three minutes to conclude.

What is your point of order, Hon. Caroli Omondi?

Proceed.

Order, Hon. Members. Give him half a minute. Conclude.

Do you wish to be informed by Hon. Kaluma?

Hon. Leader of the Majority.

Hon. Otiende Amollo.

Hon. Otiende Amollo, proceed.

Order. Hon. Otiende Amollo, you are a senior Member here. Standing Order 91 says that: “A Member shall be responsible for the accuracy of any facts which the Member alleges to be true and may be required to substantiate any such facts instantly.” What he should have asked for is...

You can only rise on a point of order if there is an active Member on the Floor. Wait until Hon. Otiende Amollo resumes his debate then you can rise on a point of order. Proceed, Hon. Otiende Amollo.

Point of information?

Let him rise first. Proceed, Hon. Otiende Amollo.

Order, Hon. Otiende Amollo. I will repeat this. I have had the opportunity to serve in the 7th and 10th Parliaments. There is intelligence gathering, counter intelligence, counter-terrorism and many other security operations. Do you expect those institutions to tell you that they used funds for espionage activities? Those things...

On whom? Me? You see, that is why I keep saying you are a first-timer. You rise on a point of order when a Member is contributing. (Hon. Wanami Wamboka spoke off the record) Order. I am not debating; I am guiding the House. Proceed, Hon. Amollo. We do not...

What is your point of order, Hon. Kaluma? Order, Hon. Saney. If someone rises on a point of order, I will give them. When he is contributing, that is the time to raise a point of order. What is out of order, Hon. Kaluma? (Hon. Peter Kaluma spoke off the...

Clearly, what Hon. Amollo is saying is that, whether classified or confidential, there is a need for guidelines from the National Treasury. That is perfectly in order. Proceed.

Order. That is why I keep wondering why Members do not read their own Standing Orders and understand the basic rules of debate in the House. You rise on a point of order…

Did he accept to be informed? Wait until he accepts. It is not for me to grant that. Proceed, Hon. Amollo.

Hon. Members, order. The opportunity now belongs to the newly elected Member of Parliament for Emurua Dikirr. (Applause)

Hon. Member, I am made to understand that you had an opportunity yesterday to address the House although you are doing it on the issue of the Late Konchellah and that was your maiden moment. Nonetheless, the Chair will give you an opportunity but you must intersperse it with contribution...

Hon. Members, take your seat. (Question, that the Mover be now called upon to reply, put and agreed to)

Before you reply, I wish to draw the attention of the House to something important. Hon. Members, please read the Standing Orders. You have served for four years of this parliamentary term, but I get the feeling that most of you have not read the Standing Orders. If you are...

Hon. Members, we have a Supplementary Order Paper. Now, we are going to Order No. 9 (i) . Order No. 9 (ii) is withdrawn to an appropriate time in the future. COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE HOUSE IN THE COMMITTEE THE SUPPLEMENTARY APPROPRIATION (NO. 2) BILL

Where is Hon. Yussuf Farah? Go ahead and request for a Statement. REQUEST FOR STATEMENT DISAPPEARANCE OF MR HASSAN BASH OMAR

Chair of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Security. Is there a Member from the Committee?

Hon. Farah. Two weeks is about the standard, which is okay. Give him the microphone.

Committee Member.

What is your point of order, Hon. Wamboka?

The Chair will ensure the specificity is captured. When exactly will you bring a response?

Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Defence, Intelligence and Foreign Relations, Hon. Koech.

Being the Member of Parliament for Dadaab, I think the system we established under this Constitution is a frustration in itself. We used to have Ministers in the House here who were both legislators and in the Executive. Whenever they gave an undertaking and failed to perform it, there used...

Yes, point taken. Hon. Member, proceed. You have the microphone. Hon. Justice Kemei (Sigowet/Soin, UDA) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. If the Chairman of the Defence and Foreign Relations Committee is facing frustrations from the Ministry… Yes. Absolutely no powers. Hon. Justice Kemei (Sigowet/Soin, UDA): Correct, I am a...

Order, Hon. Makau. Order! You are out of order! They are here in their capacity as chairmen of their respective committees and as Members of Parliament. They do not run the Executive from Parliament.

Hon. Chief Whip, I am sure you understand the separation of powers. We have the Executive, the Judiciary, and the Legislature here. The House can censure the Executive here. You can have a Motion of censure on any member of the Executive. But the House, I think, is not the...

Order, Hon. Keynan. Your point is taken. Can you give a firm undertaking on when you will have that answer in the House?

Perfect. Very well undertaken. Next Order. (Hon. Wanami Wamboka spoke off the record) Order! Hon. Wamboka, what do you not understand? You have a problem because you are trying to learn the rules and how this issue will be managed without listening.

It has been responded to. (Hon. Wanami Wamboka spoke off the record) Order! Not now. Approach the Chair and pick up another appropriate moment. Next Order. THE FINANCE BILL Listen, you have to understand everything. So, when you are on the Finance Bill, make sure you give it your full...

Order, Hon. Fatuma. You have made your point.

Order, Hon. Kaguchia.

Order, Hon. Kaguchia. When Hon. Temporary Speaker calls you to order, you freeze. There is a Member on a point of order. When a Member rises on a point of order, he must be given an opportunity to prosecute it. Hon. KJ, what is your point of order?

Order, Hon. Members. The Member has raised a point of order, and Hon. Temporary Speaker will rule. Hon. Kaguchia used the word "ignorant" to describe the Member for Migori County. (Hon. Kaguchia John spoke off the record) Order. Hon. Temporary Speaker is managing the House. He does not need any...

Who has said that? (Laughter)

Order, Hon. Members. If that is what the Hon. Member said…. (Hon. Fatuma Mohammed consulted loudly) Order, Hon. Fatuma.

You had sufficient opportunity to prosecute your point of order. Allow other Members of Parliament to prosecute the matter. If he said that ignorance has no cure, then he did not specifically refer to the Member for Migori County as ignorant. Proceed!

Order, Hon. Kaguchia. I direct the Clerks-at-the-Table that whenever Hon. Temporary Speaker calls a Member to order and they continue speaking, the microphone should be switched off. That is the rule.

Proceed, Hon. Kaguchia.

You have made your point, Leader of the Majority Party. Allow Hon. Kaguchia to continue his contribution.

Hon. Atandi, is on a point of order. The Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee.

Hon. Kaguchia, do you wish to be informed?

Hon. Members, for purposes… (Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo spoke off the record) What is your point of order? Who is out of order? (Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo spoke off the record) No, you cannot inform him because his time is up. Order! Order! Hon. Kaguchia, I give you half-a-minute more,...

Proceed.

Time is up. Hon. Murugara.

Member of Parliament for Gem.

Order, Member for Gem! Hon. Members, why do you want to usurp the powers of the Temporary Speaker? Order, Hon. CNN! (Hon. Charles Nguna spoke off the record) Hon. CNN, does not need any assistance from you. You are a first-timer. I came to Parliament in 1992 and I have...

Fair enough. It is understood. If you had contributed, the Clerks-at-the-Table would have informed me. Hon. Justice Kemei (Sigowet/Soin, UDA) : Hon. Temporary Speaker, I rise under Standing Order 95 (1) . I have listened carefully to my colleagues and it seems as though we have exhausted the substance of...

Leader of the Majority Party, do you want to move the Bill?

Order, Hon. Joshua. I am not going to mispronounce your name again.

I have said it from the beginning. I will not make the mistake I made last time. I know the Member is called Hon. Kimilu.

Order, Leader of the Majority Party! You are the one who corrected me last time.

Proceed,

Hon. Kimilu.

Hon. Murugara, followed by Hon. Wangwe.

Hon. Wangwe, followed by Hon. KJ.

Very well. Hon. KJ, Member for Dagoretti South.

Hon. Chairman, I hate to interrupt you, but I want to recognise the school here; then you can continue. Hon. Members, I wish to recognise in the Public Gallery the presence of students from the Kibiriokwonin Junior Secondary School in Baringo North Constituency, in Baringo County. (Applause)

Hon. Woman Representative from Taita Taveta, you can also encourage the students up here in Kiswahili. We also need to hear.

Hawa wametoka Baringo.

Where is Hon. Makilap?

Fair enough. The Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning can continue with his presentation.

Yes, proceed, Hon. Rutto.

You beg to second. (Laughter)

I am mentioning the Leader of the Majority Party because this is a Government Bill. Therefore, he is supposed to be listening, not holding small caucuses. Proceed, Hon. Mbui.

What is your point of order, Hon. Kimani?

Order, Hon. Kimani. That is a point of argument, not a point of order. Proceed, Hon. Mbui. You are protected.

Fair enough. Continue.

What is your point of order, Leader of the Majority Party?

Just a moment. The Leader of the Majority Party is on a point of order.

Order! Order! Leader of the Majority Party. You have made your point. (Hon. Wanami Wamboka spoke off the record) Order! Hon. Wamboka. Order, Hon. Members! This is a House of Dignity. Proceed, Hon. Mbui.

Order! Order! Order, Hon. Members. You are not supposed to engage an honourable Member across the aisle. This is a House of Dignity. Hon. Mbui, The Hansard will show that you said in this Bill that mitumba clothes are taxed. The Leader of the Majority Party has said that it...

Order! Order! You want to inform whom?

By whom? Who is on a point of information?

Hon. Munyoro? Hon. Members, I want to draw your attention to Standing Order No. 91: A Member shall be responsible for the accuracy of any facts which the Member alleges to be true and may be required to substantiate any such facts instantly. (Hon. Robert Mbui spoke off the record)...

There is a matter that precedes that. The Standing Orders are very clear and straightforward. (Hon. Robert Mbui spoke off the record) Order, Hon. Mbui. Standing Order No. 91 (2) states that if a Member has sufficient reason to convince the Speaker that the Member is unable to substantiate the...

What is your point of order? Somebody is already on a point of information. Hon. Mbui, do you wish to be informed by Hon. Munyoro?

Proceed.

Order! Hon. Mbui, you either substantiate or withdraw.

What is out of order, Leader of the Majority Party? I will give you sufficient time, Hon. Mbui.

Order! I have allowed him to rise on a point of order. He claims that you are misleading. Order! (Hon. Wanami Wamboka spoke off the record)

Order! Order! Order, Hon. Members. Order, Hon. Wamboka. When the Chair is on his feet, you are supposed to freeze. Order! You just said that there is a tax on rental income. He is just asking you to substantiate that fact. Proceed and substantiate. Order! The rules are very clear....

Hon. Mbui, I will give you all the time you need to make your point. (Hon. Robert Mbui spoke off the record) Order. It is not your business to control him. It is my business to control him. (Hon. Robert Mbui consulted loudly) I now see that people want to...

Order, Leader of Majority Party. Hon. Mbui, proceed. I will protect you. Just allow the House also to be orderly.

Leader of the Majority Party, would you like to make your presentation now?

Proceed, Hon. Kimani.

Order!

What is your point of order, Hon. Wamboka?

Order! Hon. Muriu, when you seek to inform a Member and that Member declines the request, the matter is settled. You do not continue shouting from there. You sought to inform the Member on the Floor, and the Member indicated that he did not wish to be informed. Hon. Wamboka,...

Order, Hon. Wamboka! I am on the Chair. Order! Unless you did not listen, the Honourable Member said that, initially, the onus was on the tenant to remit that tax to KRA as withholding tax. The onus is now shifting to the property owners, who are foreigners. He did not...

What is your point of order, Hon. Muriu?

Order! Let me hear his point of order.

Order, Leader of the Majority Party! (Hon. Gabriel Tongoyo and Hon. Wanami Wamboka consulted loudly) Order, Hon. Tongoyo and Hon. Wamboka! The Chair is calling you to order! A non-resident can be Kenyan or non-Kenyan.

The key issue is that this person has not been listed within our tax system. A non-resident is somebody who is not paying taxes in Kenya, is not a resident in Kenya, and does not have a KRA PIN. (Loud consultations)

Order, Leader of the Majority Party. Order, Hon. Muriu. I thought this meant that whether you are a citizen or non-citizen, as long as you collect rental income from Kenya, you need to pay tax. Is it correct, Hon. Kimani? If you are not a resident in Kenya, the onus...

Proceed, Leader of the Majority Party.

Next is Hon. Kaluma. (Loud consultations)

What is your point of order, Hon. Wamboka? Hon. Wamboka, do you have a point of order?

Hon. Kaluma, continue.

Leader of the Majority Party, what is your point of order?

Order, Leader of the Majority Party. Hon. Kaluma, proceed.

What is your point of order? (Hon. Robert Mbui spoke off the record) Hon. Mbui, what is your point of order? Proceed, Hon. Mbui. What is your point of order?

Yes, what is your point of order? Order. Gracious Lady Wamuchomba is on a point of order. She must be heard in silence.

Order, Hon. Members! Hon. Kaluma has the Floor.

He does not want to be informed.

Hon. Zamzam Chimba.

Let us have Hon. Tongoyo. (Loud consultations)(Loud consultations)

Order, Hon. Zamzam. Take your seat. (Laughter)

Order, Hon. Members. Hon. Zamzam has my total protection. We will have Hon. Ngogoyo, followed by Hon. Mawathe and then Hon. Murugara in that order.

I direct that you stop the Bell. I am informed that we can transact business. There is quorum.

Yes, Chairperson of the Budget and Appropriations Committee.

Proceed. APPROVAL OF THE MEDIATED VERSION OF THE DIVISION OF REVENUE BILL

Is the Member for North Horr in the House? STATE OF ROAD NETWORKS IN NORTH HORR

Where is the Chair of the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure? Yes, Hon. Raso Dido.

Hon. Komingoi, you can see the importance of the request for statement that the Member for North Horr seeks. The future of this country depends on the North and areas with untapped and powerful mineral resources, or what you call rare earth minerals, wind power, and all such resources. Give...

Precisely. Hon. Member, are you comfortable with that? Any Member from one of the neighbouring constituencies that I know?

Order, Hon. Member. Specifics are as the Member has put it very well. At times, that area is prone to cross-boundary insecurities. What happens during serious security incidents when there is no road infrastructure to enable our security forces and agents to intercept and act quickly? How do we guarantee...

I would give an undertaking to the House if I were you, because of the emergency nature of the request. You know I am a ranking Member of that Committee. The undertaking is that I would walk with the Member concerned to the Office of the Cabinet Secretary of the...

Thank you. You will get the full Statement in two weeks. In the meantime, Member for North Horr, you will walk with this very dedicated Member of the Committee to Hon. Murkomen’s office and see if you can get an immediate response. I mean immediate action.

The two of you should walk to that place. As soon as possible, I expect the Committee Member to come to the House and report on what you have achieved. That is in addition to the elaborate statement that will be given in two weeks. Nominated Member of Parliament, Hon....

Hon. Chairlady.

Fair enough, though we shall have to go back to the Committee of the whole House since I have to put the question for recommittal. (Question put and agreed to) COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE HOUSE [The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) left the Chair] IN THE COMMITTEE THE AGRICULTURAL AND...

The Temporary Chairlady.

I now call upon the Mover. Who is it? Is it the Chairperson of the Committee, Hon. (Dr) Mutunga?

We have disposed of this Bill. Chairman of the Committee, can you approach Hon. Temporary Speaker? (Hon. (Dr) John Mutunga Kanyuithia consulted the Temporary Speaker) Fair enough. There is a cleaning up that needs to be done, but let us move to the next Order. We will do that at...

Thank you. THE PENAL CODE (AMENDMENT) BILL Yes, Hon. Oluoch Anthony.

As much as the matter you have raised is entertaining, it is not a point of order. Secondly, you rise on a point of order when the Member speaking is still on the Floor contributing. You do not raise a point of order after he concludes his contribution and sits...

Next on my list is Hon. Kemei Beatrice.

Order, Hon. Makilap. The mood in the House does not favour that proposal. Next on my list is Honourable Mutunga.

Hon. Mutunga, the Chair was just communicating something. You may resume your seat for a minute. Hon. Members, one of the primary functions of the National Assembly is to pass Finance Bills. We need to understand the history to this practice. We have the Finance Bill. Basically, public debt is...

Next is the Member for Wajir North, Hon. Saney.

Hon. Nyenze, proceed.

Member for Nambale, you may proceed.

Hon. Murugara, do you want to reply?

No, he wants to clarify something in the Bill. What exactly do you want to do, Hon. Murugara? (Loud consultations)

Order, Hon. Members. Hon. Murugara, I have the Bill in front of me. As the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs, you are the sponsor of the Bill.

Hon. Murugara, with all due respect, there is nothing like “point of correction” in our Standing Orders. You know how much I respect you. Please, resume your seat. Do not interrupt. I have not given you the Floor. (Loud consultations)(Loud consultations)

Fair enough. It is so directed. Chairperson of the Public Debt and Privatisation Committee, can you move your Motion? ADOPTION OF REPORT ON EXPENDITURES OF CONSOLIDATED FUND SERVICES FOR FY 2026/2027

Let us have Hon. Makilap.

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro, a moment before you start contributing. Do we still have a school in the Public Gallery?

Has Tenwek High School left? Fair enough. Proceed, Hon. Ndindi Nyoro.

Hon. Ndindi, had you exhausted your time? Hon. Makilap just made a comment. (Hon. Ndindi Nyoro spoke off the record) To do what? To contribute or to respond? Give him half a minute.

Order, Hon. Ndindi.

Order! Order, Hon. Ndidi Nyoro! With a light touch, we have to be fair to everybody. The Budget and Appropriation Committee is the one that asks for more money. So, when you ask for a lot of money, you should ensure it is debt that our country can sustain. I...

Yes, but you were the Chair of the Budget and Appropriations Committee. (Hon. Ndindi Nyoro spoke off the record) For the interest of Hon. Temporary Speaker, hang on a minute. This runaway borrowing that you have talked about did not start after you stopped being the Chair. You oversaw a...

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro, why are you on your feet? What was the total debt in the year 2022?

No. Order! Order! This is also a House of facts. What was the total debt in the years 2022, 2023, 2024 and 2025, and tell us when it started becoming crazy.

Order! Order, Hon. Ndindi. I am the one seeking clarification for the benefit of the House and the nation at large. I want somebody to tell me what the total debt was in 2022, 2023, 2024 and 2025. Then show me where things started going wrong. Go ahead, Leader of...

Order, Hon. Ndindi Nyoro. Can you take a seat? The total public debt as of June 2024 was Ksh10.56 trillion. If my memory serves me correctly, you were the then Chairperson of the Budget and Appropriations Committee. We cannot ascertain what the total debt was, in the year 2025. However,...

You have 30 seconds to explain to us why the debt was still increasing with over one trillion per year for two years during your tenure.

Order, Hon. Ndindi Nyoro. The purpose of the Budget and Appropriations Committee is to look at what has to be borrowed and what has to be raised. (Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo spoke of the record) Order! Yes, now you can contribute. We should stop there. While contributing, also continue educating...

Leader of the Majority Party.

Yes, I made it.

What is out of order, Hon. Ndindi Nyoro?

Order, Hon. Member. Let us not go there. I will explain to you. When you go on a point of order, you are raising on a specific matter that is out of order, which is a result of the chair. But you keep on going back 10 years. What is...

Order! Order, Hon. Ndindi Nyoro! Proceed Hon. Leader of the Majority Party.

Order! Everyone will have an opportunity to contribute. Let us not have endless interruptions. He is contributing. Wait until he completes his contribution.

No. He did not say the 8-4-4 system. He said the CBC.

Hon. Rindikiri Mugambi.

Fair enough. Hon. Melly.

Hon. Catherine Omanyo, I thought I saw your name?

Order! Order! The word ‘misleading’ is parliamentary. It does not necessarily attract a point of order, but proceed if you want to say something. What is your point of order, Hon. Ndindi Nyoro?

Order, Hon. Ndindi Nyoro! point. For your information, we are not discussing the Budget Report. We are discussing the Public Debt Report.Proceed.

Hon. (Dr) Mutunga, do you wish to contribute to this?

Where is Hon. Dorothy Muthoni Ikiara? Yes, you are there. You are next. I do not think there is any more interest. We will have to ask the Mover to reply. Proceed, Hon. (Dr) Mutunga.

Hon. Ikiara and then I will call upon the Mover to reply.

Due to the circumstances, I call upon the Mover to reply.

Next Order. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON INSPECTION VISIT TO THE EAST AFRICAN SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY COMMISSION AND THE EAST AFRICAN HEALTH RESEARCH COMMISSION (Motion deferred)Where are the Chairs? We are here because Order No. 10 and Order No. 11 were dropped. We are now on Order No. 12. Where is...

This is a Parliamentary Report from a Committee of Parliament that is not drawn from one section of the country. It is my presumption that it is broad-based and represents the whole country. That is another matter that you need to interrogate. Proceed.

Order! The common practice in this House is that if you are going to cite something where there is an interest, you declare the interest before you start contributing.

Are you contributing or are you now on a point of order? Hon. GG Kagombe (Gatundu South, UDA) : I rose on a point of order to clear the image… Get through with the point of order. Have you contributed to this matter?

You have made your point. Hon. Komingoi, conclude.

Member for Chuka/ Igambang’ombe Constituency, Hon. Ntwiga

I can only see interest from Hon. Wandeto and Hon. Munyoro. Hon. Wandeto will go first, and then Hon. Munyoro will be the last one. I will then call upon the Mover to reply. Proceed. Hon. Geoffrey Wandeto (Tetu, UDA) Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for the opportunity...

Next, let us have Bishop.

Next is Hon. Rindikiri.

Let us have Hon. Mwirigi, the Member for Igembe South.

Fair enough. I now call upon the Mover to reply. Hon. Millie, are you replying on his behalf? Where is Hon. (Dr) Mutunga?

Next Order. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON AUDITED ACCOUNTS OF NG-CDF OF VARIOUS CONSTITUENCIES Who was on the Floor when this debate adjourned? Is there any Member who is interested in contributing to this debate? Nobody? Under the circumstances, I will ask the Mover to reply. The Chair is not in?...

Hon. Members, under the circumstances, I will put the Question. (Question put and agreed to) Next Order. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON ACCESS TO HEALTHCARE BY CANCER PATIENTS Where is the Chairman of the Committee. The Vice-Chair is here. Member for Chuka/Igambang'ombe Chuka, where is your Chairman? Hon. Patrick Ntwiga (Chuka/Igambang’ombe,...

My condolences and sympathies to him. Hon. Patrick Ntwiga (Chuka/Igambang’ombe, UDA) : Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move the following Motion: THAT, this House adopts the Report of the Departmental Committee on Health on its consideration of Public Petition No. 21 of 2025 regarding access to healthcare by cancer...

Member for Funyula, you may have the first bite of the cherry. (Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo spoke off the record) I had expected the Member for Wajir North, Hon. Saney, who has many patients from the North-Eastern region affected by cancer, to contribute. Proceed, Hon. Saney.

Hon. Abdisirat Khalif, I thought you wanted to contribute to this Motion. I see you walking out of the House. Can you come back and contribute to the Motion, as you requested? Proceed, Hon. Saney.

Hon. Abdisirat Khalif, you share a name with a giant—the late Abdisirat Khalif, who was in the Parliament of Kenya from 1969 to the 1970s.

You have not disappointed those who knew your namesake. Thank you. Proceed, Member of Funyula.

Mheshimiwa Kombe.

Is there anyone else who wishes to contribute? Hon. Naomi Waqo.

Give the microphone to Hon. Mwirigi, the Member for Igembe South.

We should also look at the role miraa plays in this. You have been doing your people a lot of injustice. (Hon. Dorothy Muthoni raised her hand) Let us first hear from Hon. Mulyungi; he came before you.

Please take your seat. I wish to recognise the presence of students from the Catholic University of Eastern Africa (CUEA) from the Lang’ata Constituency—you all know where it is located. Mugambi Rindikiri (Buuri, UDA) : I am a resident there. You reside there? Are you a Catholic? Who is a...

Hon. Rindikiri.

Except that the Chair does not quite agree with the Member for Funyula that this is an Upper House. Whenever there are two Houses, the rules are different. But you can say that this is the House that carries the biggest burden. (Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo spoke off the record)...

Hon. Eve Obara.

Fair enough. Hon. Temporary Next Order. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON INSPECTION VISIT TO EAST AFRICAN SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY COMMISSION AND EAST AFRICAN HEALTH RESEARCH COMMISSION Commission in Rwanda and the East African Health Research Commission in Burundi, laid on the Table of the House on Wednesday, 5th November 2025. (Motion...

Next order. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON STATUS OF REPORTS ON PETITIONS AND RESOLUTIONS PASSED BY THE HOUSE Chairperson, Committee on Implementation. Hon. Naomi, what happened to your… Are they generals or majors? What happened to the leaders of your Committees? There must be an important…

(Motion deferred)Fair enough. I direct that this matter also be placed in the Order Paper at an appropriate date in the future, when the Chairperson of the Committee on Implementation is in the Chamber. Next Order. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON AUDITED ACCOUNTS OF NG-CDF FOR CONSTITUENCIES IN VARIOUS COUNTIES At...

Just so that we are clear on certain words, there could be no difference between consideration and examination, but there could also be a difference between them. The Motion reads ‘consideration’ and not ‘examination’ like you said. Could you read it again, verbatim.

Hon. Hussein Barre.

Fair enough. There being no further interest, I will now put the question. (Question put and agreed to) ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, there being no other business in the House and the time being 5.37 p.m., this House stands adjourned until Tuesday, 28th April 2026 at 2.30 p.m. (The House rose...