MUTUNGA JOHN KANYUITHIA

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. We have a problem with the boundary between Meru and Tharaka Nithi counties. It not only affects Central Imenti but also stretches from South Imenti to Central Imenti, to North Imenti, to Tigania West, and to Tigania East. We are not privy to any information that...

Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker for giving me this opportunity. I will only take two minutes. I will try and say what has not been said. First of all, I appreciate the fact that the Sovereign Wealth Fund has been created as a State investment vehicle for equity....

Hon. Temporary Speaker, we can bring the response in two weeks. I did not get you. We will bring the response in two weeks' time. Three weeks? Two. In two weeks. In two weeks' time.

Pursuant to Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , Hon. Irene Mayaka requested for a Statement regarding the invasive dodder weeds in Kenya. I stand to respond to the Request for a Statement by the Member, as far as the response I have got from the Cabinet Secretary for the Ministry...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, first of all, I would like to address my colleagues on the content of this response. It is extremely wrong for Hon. Mayaka to rise and pick the list that is targeted at control as though it were the list of affected areas, yet the report is...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I did not write this report. I am reading it. That is very important. Yes, but what do you propose to do to address the additional issues? The contextual matters Hon. John Mutunga… Hon. Temporary Speaker, let me finish by saying this…

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I am coming to that. The Ministry, on one hand, has stated it has a multi-agency technical control committee addressing the matter. On the other hand, it says there is no budget.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I am addressing Hon. Pukose’s concerns. I had not finished.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I note that the report is insufficient, especially in indicating that there is no budget when there is already a committee formed that is doing some work and several research institutions—the national research institution and the other international centres supporting Kenya. Therefore, I think that...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table of the House: Report of the Departmental Committee on Agriculture and Livestock on its consideration of the Plant Protection Bill (National Assembly Bill No. 28 of 2025) .

Yes, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. Clause 3

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, we discussed this issue at the Committee level and realised that the county executive committee member is referenced throughout the Bill. We believe that the position of the county executive committee member might change in future. Therefore, committing the entire county government to the Bill is the...

Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. The configuration of county government executives is not a preserve of the national Government. There is no standard prescribed formula. An officer can be in charge of agriculture, livestock, fisheries and environment today, and tomorrow they have a different portfolio. Only the specific...

Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. We really did serious amendments to this Bill. The reasons are one, the Senate Bill completely avoided the use of ICT. So, it was not up to date or in tandem with the goings-on now. Two, we introduced a central data repository and...

Thank you very much. We know very well that agriculture is devolved. Being a devolved function, it will be necessary for the county governments to feel, or be sure, that they are fully represented and effectively so. The second issue is that this is a very important function in this...

Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. We looked at the logic of having a specific reference to a county executive committee member for agriculture being in charge of extension at that time in the Bill. Bearing in mind that county governments have their own configuration of the executive, somebody...

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I will say something in relation to what the Hon. Member has just said because he has brought in a different dimension. We are not saying that the office will change or the officer will change. We are actually saying that the configuration is left to the...

Yes, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I think the Honourable Member has put the cart before the horse. I suggest that we wait for the next clause, where this matter is explicitly defined. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Will it be defined in the regulations? Yes. The listing appears

Thank you very much for that observation. We have included penalties for non-compliance. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : In another clause? Okay. (Question, that the words to be inserted be inserted, put and agreed to) (Clause 35 as amended agreed to) (Clause 36 agreed to) Clause 37The...

Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. For purposes of clarity, and particularly to satisfy my very good friend, I would like to read out the amendment. It says: A county government may make county-specific legislation on extension services as long as they are not in conflict with this Act...

Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. It is very clear to all of us that once this Bill is assented into law, its implementation will need regulations. Regulations are detailed interpretations of Acts of Parliament in terms of actions to be taken. If we bring on board Dr. Makali’s...

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, let me say something extra not specifically about students, but concerning the students and all of us. In this country, we gave ourselves the current Constitution in 2010. We gave ourselves excessive freedom for anybody to say anything, anytime and concerning anyone. We lost respect for status,...

Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. The Bill completely lacked provisions on the powers of the Board. We, therefore, had to introduce those powers. That is why the proposed new Clause 14A is being brought for adoption at this particular stage. We came up with the entire continuum of...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. This particular Clause basically establishes the National Agriculture and Livestock Extension Service Data Centre. That Centre will be the source of all data from various generating entities, including universities, research institutions, extension service providers, professionals, farmers' organisations, international agricultural research organisations and any other relevant...

The data centre will need structured administration in the staffing within, to manage data, the sourcing and storage mechanism. That is to ensure there is easy storage and retrieval because that is the purpose of extension information. It should be easily retrieved and specifically packaged in the domains it focuses...

Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. The entire agricultural extension delivery is based on diagnosis of the problem, sourcing of the answers and relay of the answers to the caller. So, the Diagnostic Centre is positioned at the county level and could also be devolved based on the intensity...

Yes. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Can we deal with the recommittal of Clause 10 before we go to Hon. Osero? Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move that the Committee approves the recommittal of Clause 10 (d) on the person appointed by the Council of Governors...

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move that the House adopts the proposal to recommit Clause 10 (d) . The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Hon. Chairman, move the amendment. Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I move that clause 10 (d) be read a Second Time. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon....

Yes. Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of the whole House has considered the Agricultural and Livestock Extension Services Bill (Senate Bill No. 12 of 2022). Order, Hon. Mutunga. Can you give him the reporting form and give me one too? Do you have sufficient copies?...

Hon. Speaker, many products can be used for medicinal value and these are used as extracts. Taking bangi as a whole product is not medicinal and does not help. It is just taking excess in dosage. We would like to leave the issues to science. Let them pick what is...

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I rise to respond to the request for a statement by Hon. Lillian Siyoi, MP for Trans Nzoia County, regarding shortage of fertiliser in the county. Specifically, the Hon. Member sought to know the cause of the ongoing shortage of topdressing fertiliser at the National...

I think the distribution of data across the different localities or different administrative units and different counties needs to be done. It needs to be passed across a verification exercise. It is not based on non-disclosure of information because somebody can bring surveyed plots on land that is fictitious. I...

I hear you clearly, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I will relay the same sentiments to the Cabinet Secretary so that he can respond specifically and not giving us the array of possibilities as I also find it thus. There is no point to continue with it. I am almost done. Let...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. We discussed this issue with the Ministry at the meeting. They were to give us a written report on the same when submitting their budget proposals. I have not yet received that. I have spoken to the Principal Secretary, and he has promised he will be...

Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I am grateful that you have ruled. Hon. Members, there is a very important Finance Bill coming for debate... I am grateful that you have ruled against the subversion brought about by my colleague to allow us to contribute to this important Bill....

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me an opportunity to contribute to the Kenya Judiciary Academy Bill. The question is whether this Academy is necessary at this point in time. Yes, it is at the stage of development, so that Kenya can be in tandem with the development of...

Yes.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, thank you very much for the opportunity to add my voice to the debate. I commend the Committee for the Report and support its adoption. I have noted with a lot of appreciation that this Committee clearly changed the Report on the Debt Management Policy that was...

Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Chairman. Looking at the Budget, I support this particular State Department and underscore its importance in conducting thorough mapping, exploration and search for minerals. As a country, we should be thinking about enhancing the allocation this particular Budget Program because of the critical role...

Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for the opportunity to also contribute to the adoption of the Report by the Budget and Appropriation Committee on next year's Budget. I wish to thank the Committee for the good work it has done and for the considerations that have come forth....

Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. This matter was put before the House yesterday. The Request for Statement was made yesterday. I contacted the Ministry immediately. Hon. Temporary Speaker, we have a liaison officer in Parliament with whom we work with. This morning, I had an activity at the...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. The sticky issue in the Statement sought by the Member for Trans Nzoia is that subsidised fertiliser is being transported across the border to Uganda. We need to quickly investigate that issue. We need confirmation from the Ministry. The National Cereals and Produce Board (NCPB)...

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Hon. Mutunga, what is your point of order? Hon. Temporary Speaker, I am very surprised that a senior Member of Parliament and a Commissioner can stand before this House and say that there are no facilities in Kitui, when I know that...

It may not be possible for us to get it tomorrow because I am aware that the Cabinet Secretary is out of the country.

Yes, the Cabinet Secretary does not go with the office. I will try my best to pass the message today so I can see how quickly they respond. I agree with you. Thank you. I will do that.

Mine is slightly different. I have looked through this legislation, and I am wondering how we can ensure close collaboration between rangers and the Kenya Wildlife Service personnel. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : I believe that will be handled administratively or, if not, later in the regulations....

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, once this legislation is assented to, the forest associations will naturally come together to form a national body. That normally happens because they want to take that slot, and nobody is more qualified than the others. They will form a national community forest association, which will now...

Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I support the proposal by the Chairperson of the Committee because the Committee had sufficiently researched this matter. It would not be right for us to delve too deeply into the CEO’s qualifications. A CEO must have specific qualifications. The minimum academic qualification...

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, as a Committee, we have reconsidered our amendments. We withdraw them and allow the Bill to pass as it was. (Proposed amendments by Hon. (Dr) John Mutunga Kanyuithia withdrawn) (The Temporary Chairlady consulted with the Clerk-at-the-Table) I can explain what this is all about. This amendment is...

Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I am the co-sponsor of this Bill that originated from the Senate. We had agreed as a Committee that another Member will move the amendments of the Committee. As the Chairman and a co-sponsor, it will not be right for me to move...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for the opportunity to support the amendment brought by the Member for Matuga, Hon. Tandaza, on the Pensions Act (Cap. 189) . The Act as it is right now, and as the computation formula is, retirees get their pensions based on the day they left...