Kajwang Francis Tom Joseph

Sen. Okenyuri Mr. Speaker, Sir, I also rise to support this Motion and urge Members to support the adoption of this Report. I am a Member of the Committee of Devolution and Inter-Governmental Relations and was among the few Senators who visited Kathwana. The state that we witnessed was really...

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Hon. Millie Odhiambo-Mabona (Suba North, ODM) On a point of order. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : What is out of order, Hon. Millie? Hon. Millie Odhiambo-Mabona (Suba North, ODM) Thank you. Events have overtaken me. Even for purposes of the next things, I just want to say...

Hon. Rahim Dawood (North Imenti, Independent) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. Dr. Nyikal said that if parents are not connected to the child who is being born, then they need to subject it to a court order. Will you not be invading the privacy of the child who will be...

Hon. Charles Nguna (Mwingi West, WDM) Clause 2. The one we have just… The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Unfortunately, it is already overtaken by events. Sorry about that. Hon. Members, we have come to the end of this very important Bill. I congratulate all of you who...

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Seme, you have spoken to this matter enough times. Nevertheless, go ahead.

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) I get you, Hon. Sigei.

The Speaker (Hon. Lusaka)

Mr. Speaker, Sir, if he allows me to inform him, it is not that we did not find him culpable. The only problem with that was that there was an allegation, but not enough evidence was provided to substantiate it. A part of the reason, we thought was because the...

Take your seat, Sen. (Eng.) Maina. You cannot both be on your feet. (Sen. (Eng.) Maina resumed his seat)

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I want to inform the Senator that it is not that we did not find him culpable--- (Sen. (Eng.) Maina remained standing in his place)

The Speaker (Hon. Lusaka) Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am not a lawyer, but an allegation where substantiation has not been adduced actually remains unproved. That is why I am saying. You cannot declare him guilty of all those allegations. Mr. Speaker, Sir, my point was that we can be here...

Sen. (Eng.) Maina Take your seat, Sen. (Eng.) Maina. You cannot both be on your feet. (Sen. (Eng.) Maina resumed his seat)

Sen. Wetangula

Sen. Wetangula

The Speaker (Hon. Lusaka)

Mr. Speaker, Sir, if he allows me to inform him, it is not that we did not find him culpable. The only problem with that was that there was an allegation, but not enough evidence was provided to substantiate it. A part of the reason, we thought was because the...

Take your seat, Sen. (Eng.) Maina. You cannot both be on your feet. (Sen. (Eng.) Maina resumed his seat)

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I want to inform the Senator that it is not that we did not find him culpable--- (Sen. (Eng.) Maina remained standing in his place)

The Speaker (Hon. Lusaka) Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am not a lawyer, but an allegation where substantiation has not been adduced actually remains unproved. That is why I am saying. You cannot declare him guilty of all those allegations. Mr. Speaker, Sir, my point was that we can be here...

Sen. (Eng.) Maina Take your seat, Sen. (Eng.) Maina. You cannot both be on your feet. (Sen. (Eng.) Maina resumed his seat)

Sen. Wetangula

Sen. Wetangula

The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Orengo):

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki)

The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Orengo):

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki)