Kajwang Francis Tom Joseph

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Chairman. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) : Hon. Tom Kajwang’ of Ruaraka, there is nothing on the Floor. What is out of order? Go ahead. Hon. Temporary Chairman, I rise to say something that I have never said since I came to...

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I am enjoying this discourse between my learned friend Hon. Kaluma, and my senior doctor seated beside me. In this House, we must agree on things. When it comes to lawyers, everybody says... (Hon. George Murugara consulted loudly) Hon. Murugara, please listen to me. The Chairman beside...

Hon. Baya, we are in this House to legislate. We cannot be derogative to ourselves. First, whatever it is, we cannot start abusing ourselves. It looks very bad out there, that we are abusing ourselves. The only point you are making, Hon. Pukose, is that a Member of Parliament, by...

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, what is out of order is how we are following our Standing Orders. We are in a conundrum. Hon. Otiende Amollo has moved a proposed further amendment. He had already written a letter and you have it. So, his amendment is correct. Hon. Kaluma has also an...

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I also want to support the Chairperson. With a lot of respect, Hon. Kaluma has been stung before and once beaten, twice shy. Sometimes he has good proposals but they could be conspiracy theories. (Laughter)

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha Wangari) : We are getting to a close on this Hon. TJ. One minute. Hon. Temporary Chairlady, let us not get tired. You can see the resilience of Members here. We are working towards the same course....

On a point of order, Hon. Deputy Speaker.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, you know, learning does not stop in this House. But the Deputy Leader of the Majority Party, whom I greatly respect, seems to have misconstrued the Standing Order, which is very clear. In all instances where Hon. Chepkonga comes to approve or accept legislation, those sets of...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, there are too many competing interests. There are too many people trying to compete with us in the space of law- making. You start with the President, he wants to make laws through reservations and vetoing. You go to the Cabinet Secretaries, they want to clone the...

On a point of order, Hon. Speaker. Yes, Hon. Kajwang’, what is your point of order? Hon. Speaker, I have heard the Cabinet Secretary discuss with a lot of professionalism. I think it is merited that many of the issues he is advancing have historical issues over the last five...

On a point of order, Hon. Speaker. Yes, Hon. Kajwang’. Hon. Speaker, I will never go against your ruling because that is not possible from a ranking Member such as me. Hon. Speaker, you have solved the problem in one way. Hon. Nyikal and I are requesting now not in...

Point of order, Hon. Chairlady.

Thank you, Hon. Chairlady. The point is very simple. We have just come from the plenary. We made interventions which Hon. Speaker in his wisdom made a ruling which is right that those issues can be canvassed in the Committee of the whole House. These are the issues which we...

We request you to re-order the Order Paper. You need to listen to us. If this is the case, because we have issues with…

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. I have been patient on my seat waiting for this opportunity to intervene on this matter since we broke off from the plenary. I am trying to raise my voice. This is the first time I am told that the Leader of the Majority Party...

I want to inquire about something from the Hon. Chairman because the amendments are being moved too fast, and I may not be on that page. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) : That is okay. There was a proposal in the Bill that only lawyers would be CEOs. Is...

I support, but I wish there could be a further amendment to say that only advocates who have practised for 35 years and have been Members of Parliament. In that case, I would be the only one recommended for that position. I support. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) :...

We have preached this enough. I know you are an authority in insurance law. You can give excellent directions on this matter. Members, this evening, let me urge you that we do not come into this House to do anything else. It is to make good laws for our people....

I support that amendment. We should always display this kind of maturity. We want good legislation. This is far better than what we have in the Bill. Members, if Hon. Pukose's amendment fails, the Clause will remain as it is in the Bill. You are travelling to Mathare on your...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I am glad that you are handling this very professionally. We have to deal with a further amendment before we get to the original amendment by Hon Pukose. This is okay but remember the claims settlement agent has not been defined in this particular Act. From what...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I wanted to stand on a point of order, but I want to contribute because it will prejudice what I want to say. The Leader of the Majority Party and Hon. Pukose are talking about this one-year transition. I want to put them to task here. We...

Hon. Deputy Speaker, you know that there is a lot of interest in this matter because it concerns constituencies. That is the reason we are here. If it were not for our constituents, we would not be here. The Leader of the Majority Party has ably read….

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I will be very brief. The Leader of the Majority Party has read a statement which is very clear, but he has talked about the principle in accounts called prudence. I do not know what that means because I did not go to accounting school. However, you...

The amendment is proper especially because fugitives do not have competent legal representation many a times. Could I ask the Chairman, in his amendments, to include something in the area of consent where he is saying that consent obtained under this section shall outline the extraditable charges it relates to...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, we are dealing with an omnibus legislation. The reports of committees and the Bill are fairly big. If you want us to move together, please, point to us which areas of the Bill you are handling at any given time and the page you are on, if...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, in good wisdom, you said that we should approach the chairpersons of committees to discuss these issues. As you know, we have just explained that they come from several committees. We are interacting with many of them. You can see the speed with which this legislation is...

I know that it is already in the law, including the provisions in Section 35A which are in the Constitution. This is why we are repeating it. The entire Section 35A says that persons will enjoy fundamental freedoms and rights which are in the Constitution. We are just being very...

We abandoned him because he abandoned us. I do not want to waste Hon. Temporary Chairman’s time. Mr. Miguna Miguna was visited by people who searched his home without a warrant. Searching a home is distasteful. Getting a warrant brings those proceedings before a magistrate or a court. Thank you,...

Just like what we did in Section 35B (2) (a) of the Capital Markets Act, Section 196E of the Insurance Act can also be amended. Where a person is suspected or accused of an offence under this Act, his home or property may be searched with a warrant. Hon. Temporary...

Just for the record. The Chair is referring you to 54 (B) Subsection 2 (a) , the words ‘‘with warrant’’ The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) : Yes, I am with you totally. Thank you. (Question, that the words to be inserted be inserted, put and agreed to) (Applause)

Did we deal with the Microfinance Act? My Order Paper seems to suggest Microfinance Act before the Central Bank Act. That is why I was lost and trying to get where I am. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) : You are right. We are coming to Microfinance shortly; just...

I am just reminding the Temporary Chairman that page… I do not know which page this is on the Order Paper The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) : It is 51D. Right? It is 51D, ‘with warrant to subsection 2A’. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) : Hon. Chairman, 51D,...

Hon. Temporary Chairman remind us where we are so that we move together. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) : It is on Page 936 of the Order Paper? Things have moved from paper to digital making some of us very unhappy. Hon. Temporary, I generally want to support the...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, sometimes being a senior person is not good enough. The Leader of the Majority Party knows that we do not have quorum. Let us handle the Third Reading when we have quorum. I am a bit senior to raise that but it is a fact. I think...

Hon. Speaker, when matters such as this arise, probably it is good enough that a few Members who have been around may also share their sentiments. With all that the Hon. Leader of the Majority Party and the Hon. Leader of the Minority Party have said, I want to take...

Hon. Speaker, I will be quick. The response has not answered the Question I heard. The Cabinet Secretary says that he was involved or engaged elsewhere in official capacity. This is the gist of the Question, as I understand it. The Member seems to suggest it was children in Olympic...

Hon. Temporary Chairman. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) : Yes, Hon. TJ Kajwang’. Hon. Millie had a point. The sugar level is going down. If you are not careful, we will run too fast. This is Section 17D. As we began in the morning, in all the clauses in...

On a point of order. Hon. Kajwang’ what is it? I want to propose the Question first and then you can have a word. (Question of the amendment proposed) Hon. Kajwang’ Hon. Temporary Chairman, we are struggling. I have realised our Order Papers are not the same. I was just...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, let me commend the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs Committee because he is always a truthful man, as senior as he is. Today, he has given evidence that he surely is truthful. He has moved amendments. Let us also speak to the...

Hon. Speaker, three minutes are too little to persuade Members of this House to reject this Bill. This Bill should be rejected, first, on principles. The only way to get myriads of Acts of Parliament approved is through the Statute Law (Miscellaneous Amendment) Bill. This Bill calls itself an Act...

On a point of order. Hon. TJ Kajwang’ what is your point of order? Hon. Speaker, we are bound to truths in this House. One should verify their information. I know that the Leader of the Majority Party has more information that has not been divulged. Can he lay this...

Hon. Speaker, I have not risen to ask about VPN. Let me speak on the other side which I do not think speakers have looked at—the essence of public petitions. I served with the inaugural Members who created this Committee. Members of the public have not understood very well the...

Hon. Speaker, thank you. The issue that we have diverted to a little is really administrative. You always direct us accordingly and you are quite aware of these issues. When the Member... Hon. Munyoro, Member for Kigumo. The Member rose on a point of order to raise this matter. These...

I understand. In fact, Hon. Speaker, you must be concerned about your House leadership every time. You know that many of us, especially those who have been here longer, including the Parliamentary Service Commission Member who is standing next to you, we do that all the time. Even when I...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, you know the Member from Kikuyu is a veteran Member here. He knows that when he brings individuals in disrepute, he must have a substantive Motion. I hear him over and over again berating that individual every time in this country. There is only one person we...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I may not give you because I do not have the Standing Orders in my hands. However, you cannot discuss adversely someone who is not a Member of this House and does not have a right to respond without proper… Hon. Otieno. It is not Hon. Otieno...

Those are the tenets of the rule of law. You cannot discuss somebody, unless he has a right to respond.

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker. What is your point of order, Hon. Kajwang’? Even without reading on the back of my hands, this is a House built on the rule of law. Forget about the other Standing Order 87 that we were discussing. The speaker who has...

Good morning, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Thank you for giving me an opportunity to contribute to this Bill. I speak as a member of the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure. Members will know that I speak with some authority and understanding of the issues before us. The Member who has...

I accept that information. Thank you.

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Hon. Gitonga, I have a point of order by the Member for Ruaraka. What is out of order Hon. Tom Kajwang’? Hon. Temporary Speaker, ordinarily, I would not raise issues or orders against my brother. He is my senior in profession and...

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Member for Ruaraka, what is your point of order? (Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah spoke off record) No, Mbadi is sitting very well. Hon. Temporary Speaker, the Member on the Floor is a friend of mine and a renowned doctor. This is precisely why...