Martha Wangari Wanjira

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Thank you. Before we get to the next speaker, allow me to recognise, in the Public Gallery, Kaani Lions Girls High School, Kathiani Constituency, Machakos County. Join me in welcoming them to the House of Parliament to observe the proceedings of the House. (Applause)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Hon. Njeri, are you on this?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Hon. Basil, have you already spoken? (Hon. Robert Basil spoke off the record) Okay, you are still on. Hon. Bishop Kosgei.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) The next chance will go to the Member of Parliament for Mbeere North, Hon. Wa Muthende.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Before we get to the next Member, allow me to recognise, in the Speaker’s Gallery this afternoon, learners and teachers from Ikutha Boys Senior School, Kitui South, Kitui County. Welcome to the House of Parliament as you observe our proceedings. Hon. Members, join me...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) The next speaker on this will be the Deputy Speaker, Hon. Boss.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Hon. Shakeel.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) The Leader of Majority Party.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) I agree with you, Leader of the Majority Party, in commending the Public Petitions Committee. For the first time, it is no longer a subject of negative publicity as it has been before. Keep it up. Next is Hon. Korere Sarah, Member for Laikipia...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Hon. (Dr) Mutunga.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Member for Kilifi North.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Very well. Member for Funyula.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Very well. Hon. Members, I do not see any more interest on this matter. So, I will ask the Mover to reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Thank you very much. Hon. Members, I shall defer putting the question to the next appointed time. (Putting the question deferred) We shall re-organise the Order Paper a bit. Allow us to go to Order No. 14 and then we shall come back to...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari)(Motion deferred)That is in order. We shall then automatically defer Order No.16 until we prosecute Order No.15 at the right time. Hon. Members, we shall go back to Order No. 13. THE FIRE AND RESCUE SERVICES PROFESSIONALS BILL The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Hon....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Member for Yatta.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Member for Marakwet West. 17th February 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 34

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Very well. Member for Funyula.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Very well. Member for Ruaraka, are you on this one?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Hon. Wamuchomba.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Just to agree with you, Hon. Wamuchomba, it is not only your constituency. Today, I lost a child in a fire at a place called Kambi Mahindi in my constituency.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Very well. Hon. Murugara, are you on this debate? (Hon. George Murugara spoke off the record) No, you have just walked in. Hon. Members, I do not see further interest in this specific Bill. I will, therefore, allow Hon. Lochakapong to reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Very well. We shall defer putting the Question on this specific Bill and proceed to the next Order. (Putting the question deferred) ADOPTION OF REPORT ON BANNING OF TIKTOK IN KENYA The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Chairperson of Public Petitions Committee, Hon. Karemba.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Member for Ruaraka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Whip of the Minority Party.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Very well. Hon. Murugara.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Very well. Hon. Wandeto.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Very well said. Just to guide you, Member for Tetu, this Report does not recommend a ban. It recommends regulation. That is simply for the record. Hon. Members, just to guide you, once you are given the Floor, you will have five minutes to...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Very well. Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Thank you. Hon. Mayaka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Thank you. Member for Central Imenti.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Member for West Mugirango.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Thank you. Through you, I have learnt that there is a new category of married but unaccompanied people. Member for Nyeri Town, Hon. Mathenge.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Thank you very much. Hon. Mule.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) I said time is five minutes. Your time is up. Hon. Oundo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Hon. Njeri.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Hon. Ibrahim Saney.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Thank you very much, Hon. Saney. As a Christian, Ash Wednesday is not just one day; it is followed by the Lenten Season. The Lenten Season will go hand in hand with Ramadhan. Hon. Members, I know there is a lot of interest in...

Hon. Martha Wangari (Gilgil, UDA) Asante sana, Mhe. Spika. Naomba pia niwapongeze wenzetu ambao wamechaguliwa kuwa wawakilishi wa maeneo bunge mbali mbali. Nawakaribirisha Wabunge hao watano ambao wamejiunga nasi hapa kwa mara ya kwanza, pamoja na Mhe. Harrison, ambaye ameweza kuchaguliwa kwa mara nyingine. Najua mambo mengi yamesemwa, lakini ningependa...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Hon. Owen Baya.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Member for Funyula.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Member for Buuri.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Let us have Hon. John Paul.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) There being no more interest in this, I call upon the mover to reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Very well, Hon. Members, the putting of the question will be deferred. (Putting of the question deferred) Next Order. ADOPTION OF FIFTH REPORT ON AUDITED ACCOUNTS FOR THE COMMODITIES FUND FOR FYS 2018/2019 TO 2021/2022 Committee on its consideration of the Report of the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Hon. Chepkonga, do not walk out of the chamber when the Bell is ringing. Order, Members. (Hon. Lillian Siyoi crossed the Floor without bowing) Member for Trans Nzoia County, you are totally out of order. Go to the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Very well. Next order. NOTICE OF MOTION AVOCADO FARMING AND PROCESSING ACTIVITIES The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) The Member for Maragua, Hon. Wamaua.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Thank you, Hon. Member for Maragua. Hon. Members, before we go to Order No.7, we will go to Order No.8; kindly call it out. THE AGRICULTURAL PROFESSIONALS REGISTRATION AND LICENSING BILL

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) On this matter, I will indulge two Members who had similar issues. Hon. Makilap, you have one minute to make your point. I will give the next chance to Hon. Rutto.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) You have made your point. This Statement will go to the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Security to be responded to in two weeks. Next is the Member for Kirinyaga Central. (Hon. David Kiplagat spoke off the record) Hon. DK, what is it?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Hon. DK, you have made your point. I will give it a maximum of two weeks, but the Committee should table a preliminary response in a week. The Committee is so directed. Member for Kirinyaga Central. (Hon. Joseph Makilap spoke off the record) Hon....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Very well. Departmental Committee on Defence, Intelligence and Foreign Relations. I see the Vice-Chairperson. This is a serious issue. I know a few of us have constituents who have been lured to go to Russia, but ended up in the battlefront without their knowledge...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Hon. Members, we will go to the Member for Machakos County, Hon. Joyce Kamene. POLLUTION BY QUARRIES AND TYRE FACTORIES IN MACHAKOS COUNTY 19th November 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 5 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari)A certified version of this Report

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Is the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Environment, Forestry and Mining in the House? What about the Vice-Chairperson or leadership? Let it be communicated to the Committee that they will bring the response within two weeks. Member for Nandi Hills. IMPLEMENTATION AND MANAGEMENT...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning, bring the response in two weeks. OWNERSHIP STATUS OF A PARCEL OF LAND IN KWALE COUNTY The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Member for Kinango, Hon. Gonzi Rai.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Very well. Before the next Statement, allow me to recognise, in the Speaker's Gallery, Family Life District Pathfinders, Seventh-Day Adventist (SDA) , Mombasa, from Nyali Constituency, Mombasa County. You are welcome to observe the proceedings of the House. Member for Igembe North. Oh, hold...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Very well. That will be responded to by the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure in two weeks.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Hon. Wanjiku, we have not got to the responses yet. I assure you that you are on the list to be responded to. It is well taken care of, and you will have your response at the right time. Hon. Members, we still have...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Hon. Member, the Request for Statement will go to the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning. The response should be here in two weeks’ time. Next is a Request for Statement by the Member for Mandera South, Hon. Abdul Haro. STATUS OF ELECTRICITY...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) The response to the Request for Statement will be provided by the Departmental Committee on Energy in two weeks’ time. Clerk’s Office, please, ensure that this is transmitted to the relevant committee clerks as I do not see the Chairpersons here. The next Request...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) The response to the Request for Statement will be provided by the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure in two weeks’ time. Next is a Request for Statement by Hon. Bady Twalib. SEVERE WATER SHORTAGE AFFECTING RESIDENTS OF JOMVU CONSTITUENCY

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Hon. Twalib, you will not do the Speaker’s job. Give the Departmental Committee on Blue Economy, Water and Irrigation time to respond. I direct that they do so within two weeks.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Is it on the same matter? I will not indulge in any debate on the statement requests. (Hon. Dorice Donya spoke off the record) Hon. Donya, you are out of order. (Loud consultations)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Hon. Wamboka, kindly, give Hon. Muge the Floor to prosecute her Statement request. STATUS OF LAND LEASES IN NANDI COUNTY

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Very well. This also goes to the Departmental Committee on Lands. All chairpersons, note that we are headed to the long recess. Therefore, all these Requests for Statements should be responded to before we break for recess. Hon. Adow, you also have a Request...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Security, bring a response within two weeks. The next request is by Hon. Wamaua. You do not have a request? Hon. Members, we will go to responses to Requests for Statements. We will start with the Chairperson of...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Before I indulge Hon. Kaguchia, allow me first to recognise students studying Security and Criminology from Mount Kenya University, Thika Town Constituency, Kiambu County, seated in the Speaker’s Gallery. We welcome you to observe the proceedings of the House. Hon. Nyikal, allow me to...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Order, Hon. Kaguchia. Order, Hon. Members. You do not have to raise your hands. You are not in a classroom. Use your intervention buttons.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Hon. Rahim.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) You have made your point. Hon. CNN.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Member for Machakos, you do not have to shout. Please press the intervention button, and I will give you an opportunity. Let us have Hon. Nyamai.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Hon. Kaguchia, you have done well in seeking clarification, but several points of order have been raised. Kindly restrict yourself to Standing Order 91 on responsibility for statements of fact. If you have enough data to convince the House, I will give you the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Hon. Kaguchia, do not make more allegations than you can prove already. Restrict yourself to that. What is out of order, Hon. Marianne?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Hon. Kaguchia, bring that evidence on record in today’s afternoon sitting as guided under Standing Order 91 (2) . In the meantime, I will give Hon. Nyikal because issues for clarification have been raised. Ignore the part that is in dispute. (Loud consultations)Committee on...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Hon. Kaguchia.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Hon. Rahim, what is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Thank you. You have made your point. It is for the Chair of the Departmental Committee on Health and the Chair of the Committee on Implementation, because we have quite a number of pronouncements from this

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Hon. Kaguchia, you have made your point. You know how to ask a Question to the Cabinet Secretary. Follow the procedure to do that. In the meantime, Hon. Nyikal, respond to budgeting. The Committee also has the discretion to invite the Cabinet Secretary, the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Very well. Chairman, you have another response on a similar matter. We will not spend so much time on this. It is the response to Hon. Joyce Kamene. BLOOD DONATION AND TRANSFUSION SERVICES AT KENYATTA NATIONAL HOSPITAL

Hon. Martha Wangari (Gilgil, UDA)

Hon. Martha Wangari (Gilgil, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move that the Committee do report to the House its consideration of the Births and Deaths Registration (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly No.37 of 2024) and its approval thereof with amendments. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Racheal Nyamai) : Thank...

Hon. Martha Wangari (Gilgil, UDA) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of the whole House has considered the Basic Education (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bill No.59 of 2023) and approved the same with amendments.

Hon. Martha Wangari (Gilgil, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said report. I request Hon. Beatrice Kemei, Member for Kericho County, to second the Motion for agreement with the report of the Committee of the whole...

Hon. Martha Wangari (Gilgil, UDA) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the Births and Deaths Registration (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bill No.37 of 2024) be now read a Third Time and request Hon. Beatrice Kemei to second. Hon. Beatrice Kemei (Kericho County, UDA) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary...

Hon. Martha Wangari (Gilgil, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Speaker, for indulging me before the Hon. Chairperson as I also support Hon. Jayne Kihara. We had canvassed this matter before we went on recess when we were discussing the issue of capitation. The matter of sending students home was raised on...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) He looks surprised. Member for Kathiani, proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Very well. (Question proposed) Hon. Sunkuli.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Very well. Hon. Members, I note that some Members have their cards inserted, but they are not in the House. Hon. Saney of Wajir North? Hon. Yusuf Hassan? Hon. Ngusya, CNN, are you willing to speak on this matter? (Hon. Charles Nguna spoke off...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Hon. Owen Baya.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Very well. Hon. CNN? You are not on this. If there is no more interest on this… (Hon. Geoffrey Wandeto raised his hand) Member for Tetu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Very well. There being no more interest on this, I call upon the Mover to reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Very well. We defer the putting of the question until an appropriate time. (Putting of the Question deferred) Hon. Members, before we proceed to Order No.11, we shall step down (ii) and deal with (i) under Order No.11. COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE HOUSE [The...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Next Order. THE MATERNAL NEWBORN AND CHILD HEALTH BILL 4th November 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 36 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) This Bill was moved by the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Health. Who was on the Floor?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Hold on, Hon. Baya. Hon. Fatuma had a balance of five minutes, but she is not in the House and so, we will continue. Hon. Baya, is your contribution on this Bill? Hon. Owen Baya (Kilifi North, UDA) : Yes. I request you to...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Very well. We shall defer the putting of the Question. (Putting of the Question deferred) APPROVAL OF THE NATIONAL GREEN FISCAL INCENTIVES POLICY FRAMEWORK The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari)(Motion deferred)Is the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Environment, Forestry and Mining present? He...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Hon. Sabina Chege.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Very well. (Question proposed) Member for Tetu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Member for Kitui Central, Dr Makali.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Very well. Member for Runyenjes, Hon. Eric.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Hon. Baya.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Hon. Owen, you address the Speaker. 4th November 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 45

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Member for Tetu, what is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Thank you. Next is the Member for Ruiru, Hon. King’ara.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Very well. Member for Seme.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Thank you very much. Member for Gatanga.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Hon. Member for Gatanga, a point of order has been raised, but you have not addressed it. Member for Kilifi North.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Hon. Owen, do not do the work of the Temporary Speaker. Raise the point of order. Hon. Muriu, can you substantiate and also note that the Standing Orders do not accept newspapers as sources of information? So, be very careful about the utterances you...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Member for Gatanga, the issue of lower payouts is not in debate or in question. It has not been challenged. The problem that has been challenged is the diplomatic relationship between Kenya and the Sudanese market.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Member for Gatanga, just for direction, the issue of working with militia will be expunged from the Hansard until you can bring proper information to the House.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Very well. Hon. Caroli.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Thank you very much. Member for Laikipia East, Hon. Mwangi Kiunjuri.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Very well. Member for Manyatta, Hon. John Gitonga.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Order, Hon. Mukunji. You have a three-minute balance. 4th November 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 52 ADJOURNMENT The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Order, Hon. Members. The time being 7.00 p.m., this House stands adjourned until Wednesday, 5th November 2025, at 9.30

Hon. Martha Wangari (Gilgil, UDA) Hon. Speaker, last week, we conversed on this matter on this Floor quite extensively. It is very unfortunate that we are still talking about school capitation. The scandal that is simmering is quite major. If the money has left the National Treasury, where is that...

Hon. Martha Wangari (Gilgil, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Sometimes, I wonder if the Cabinet Secretaries take any time to go to the ground before responding to these statements. That road has been under construction since 2017. They are saying that it is now at 14th October 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Very well. Hon. Members, I am not sure whether those who are logged in are for this Motion. Hon. Member for Navakholo, are you here? No. I will give Hon. Member for Kitui Central, Dr Makali Mulu. Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu (Kitui Central, WDM)...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Member for Mukurweini.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Your time is up. Member for Wajir North, Hon, Saney.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Member for Ugenya Constituency, Hon. David Ochieng’.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Member for Limuru Constituency, Hon. Kiragu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Hon. Jematiah.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Very well. There being no further interest in this matter, I call the upon the mover to reply. Hon. Irene Mayaka, I have been generous. Why would you need to donate when I was right here? Kindly reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari)(Motion deferred)Is it the Chairperson, Departmental Committee on Environment, Forestry, and Mining? It was supposed to be moved by Hon. Kawaya, but we will defer that Order. Next Order. 14th October 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 31 THE TEA (AMENDMENT) BILL (Senate Bill No.1 of 2023)...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Okay, you have made your point.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) I also do not think it is factual that children do not get burials. I have witnessed them. Their caskets are the heaviest. Even if it is a one-day old or two-day old child, it is buried. Hon. Nyikal, can you explain the context?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Do not debate. If it is a point of order, raise a point of order. Hon. Nyikal.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Hon. Caroli.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) The Minority Whip.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Very well. Hon. Mayaka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Hon. Makali Mulu.

Hon. Martha Wangari (Gilgil, UDA) Hon. Deputy Speaker, may I seek your guidance on whether we can comment on this Petition now or wait until you go through the next one?

Hon. Martha Wangari (Gilgil, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I want to comment on the first Petition and support the petitioners. As you know, it is rare for the Ministry of Education to appear here to address a matter of funding for Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics (STEM) ....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Hon. Millie, I have indulged you because I agree with you that she is one of the young women who are doing very well. We have taken note of that. Hon. Members, let us go back to Order No. 7 Hon. Member for Marsabit...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Chairperson, Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Security. How long do you need for both this one and the Request for a Statement by the Member for Nandi? 9th October 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 20

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Hon. Muge, when I look through your request for a statement, it looks like a statement to me. But when you mention the word inquiry, it becomes something else. Can you confirm that it is a matter of semantics, or that you meant inquiry?...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Chairperson, I think you are right, and what Hon. Muge is requesting is more than just a statement. I will give it a maximum of 60 days, as the inquiry is more in-depth and requires additional time and details. Let me give it 60...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) All right, we will go to the next request for a statement as per the Order Paper. Member for North Horr, take the Floor and. PLIGHT OF IDPS IN MARSABIT COUNTY

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) That is in order. Next is a request for a Statement by the Member for Kiambu, Hon. Machua. DELAYED PAYMENT OF A SUBCONTRACTOR

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Very well. I do not see the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Defence, Intelligence and Foreign Relations, nor the Vice-Chairperson. In this case, I will task Whip of the Minority Party, Hon. Millie Odhiambo, who is a Member of that Committee, with obtaining...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) I do not want to allow comments on Statements. You know our Standing Orders. Hon. Bowen, what do you mean by saying that you do not want to comment? If it is not a comment, then it is a statement.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Hon. Bowen, you can bring a Statement to that effect. The Member is very specific about the Wagalla Massacre victims. He has said this is the second time he has requested this Statement. We should allow him to get the response specifically on the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Perfect. Where has the Chairperson disappeared to? The good thing is that the requests for Statements on Wagalla Massacre victims and IDPs are all going to the same Committee. The Statement on IDPs will be considered by the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) It is already committed to the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs. Do we have the Chairperson? He is not here. Is there any Member of the Committee? Hon. TJ, you are a senior Member of that Committee. Can you hold a brief...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Thank you. Member for Kipipiri. Hon Members, you can now see the need for having your cards. You make the work of the Clerks-at-the-Table very difficult when they keep looking for where you are seated. DELAYED CONSTRUCTION OF A ROAD IN KIPIPIRI CONSTITUENCY

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari)Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) What is out of order, Hon. Mwenje?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) You have made your point. Hon. GK, do you want to say something about it?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) On this, Hon. Mwenje, I have indulged you. Hon. Chairperson, on this one, because it is a very live issue in this House, please come with a response on it. I know you can do it from the Ministry because it is urgent and...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Hon. GK?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Very well. We now go to statements to be responded to. We will start with Hon. Tongoyo. Where is he? He seems not to be in. Hon. GK, can you go first if you are ready? You have the Floor. FUNDING FOR CONSTRUCTION OF...

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Before I give the Member for Tarbaj the Floor, allow me to recognise in the Public Gallery, if they are still there, students from Oldonyo Nyokie Primary School, Kajiado West Constituency, Kajiado County. Kindly be upstanding if I have mentioned you in the Gallery....

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Hon. G.K., do you have that information?

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Member for Tarbaj, the rest of the details can be discussed with the Committee in a tripartite meeting with the Ministry.

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Very well. Member for Kajiado North, why are you lifting your hand?

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Hon. G.K., do you have that answer?

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Very well, first week after recess. Member for Wajir East, are you in the House? The one with the question being responded to? If he is not in the House, the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Security, kindly table the...

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Hon. Chairman, I have given direction. If you have a statement to be responded to, you are supposed to be in the House. Allow us to table it. It remains the property of the House. The Member can access it from the Table Office,...

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Very well. We have exhausted that Order. We can go to the next one. THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL RELATIONS (AMENDMENT) BILL Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) This is being moved by Hon. Lochakapong. You have the Floor.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Thank you. Hon. Members, again, I remind you to carry your cards to this House. Otherwise, you will be nomadic, like the Member for Ganze. Go ahead, Member for Ganze.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Member for Ganze, a point of order has been raised. Hon. Member for Funyula, you know Standing Order 80 also has a (2) . So, I will allow him to finish because he is seconding, but that is a very important Standing Order, and...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Order, Hon. Wanjiku! (Question proposed) Hon. Member for Wajir North, are you on this one, or on a point of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Member for Kitui Central, Dr Makali.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Member for Dagoretti South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Hon. Member for Chesumei Constituency. Is he not in the House? Hon. Member for Kiminini Constituency.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Member of Parliament for Funyula.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Hon. KJ, what is your point of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Hon. Oundo, just to be on record because I think it is important: maybe that would have been a point of information. I have checked the Standing Orders and Article 114 of the Constitution. So, it is properly before the House.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) I was consulting, and I know that by the time this Bill was referred to this House, there had been proper consultation between the two Speakers. The Constitution and Standing Orders state that before a Bill is tabled in either House, the Speaker must...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Member for Kapenguria, Hon. Samuel Moroto. (Hon. Mark Mwenje and Hon. John Kiarie spoke off the record) Hon. Members, we are all in agreement in terms of what devolution should have done by now. I believe we all agree on that one. By saying...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Member for Marsabit, are you on this one?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Member for Luanda.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Member for Baringo County, Hon. Jematiah.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Very well. The Member for Seme.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Very well. Member for Embakasi West, Hon. Mwenje.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Very well. Member for Suba North.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Hon. Millie, note that you only have 30 seconds to conclude. Proceed, Hon KJ.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Hon. Millie, you have two minutes to wind up.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Hon. Millie, you have made your point. Member for Karachuonyo, Hon. Andrew Okuome. (Hon. Wanjiku Muhia consulted loudly with Hon. Adipo Okuome) Member for Karachuonyo, do not be bullied by the Member for Kipipiri. You have the right to make a contribution. Go ahead,...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) You have every right. Before I call the mover to reply, I note that serious constitutional issues have been raised by both Hon. Millie Odhiambo and Hon. Oundo. We will transmit that for the Hon. Speaker to make a communication on those matters. It...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Very well. We shall defer putting the question to the next appropriate time. (Putting of the question deferred) Next order. APPROVAL OF THE NATIONAL GREEN FISCAL INCENTIVES POLICY FRAMEWORK 9th October 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 48 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari)the Table of...

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Very well, Member for Marsabit.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Very well. (Question proposed) We will start with the Member for Seme. The microphone is roving. It is back to you.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Hon. KJ?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Hon. Members, this Motion has a balance of two hours. Hon. KJ, you will have your balance of two minutes when it is put in the Order Paper. ADJOURNMENT The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Hon. Members, the time being

Hon. Martha Wangari (Gilgil, UDA) Thank you very much, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I would also like to appreciate the Speaker and the Clerk because this Session of Parliament has done very well in allowing as many students and learners as possible to come and observe the proceedings of this House....

Hon. Martha Wangari (Gilgil, UDA) On a point of order, Hon. Deputy Speaker. Hon. Deputy Speaker Hon. Martha, what is your point of order? Hon. Martha Wangari (Gilgil, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. We appreciate the ruling. I am sorry because I was trying to reach Hon. Omboko, who...

Hon. Martha Wangari (Gilgil, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker for the reconsideration. I beg to ask the Cabinet Secretary for Education the following Question: [The Deputy Speaker (Hon. Gladys Boss) left the Chair] [The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) in the Chair]

Hon. Martha Wangari (Gilgil, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. However necessary this verification process was, its timing was an inconvenience because we have the Kenya National Examinations Council (KNEC) , the Kenya Primary School Education Assessment (KPSEA) , the Kenya Junior School Education Assessment (KJSEA) and the Kenya Certificate...

Hon. Martha Wangari (Gilgil, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I figure you are giving me to ask the next… The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Order, Hon. Wanyonyi. You will get your chance, relax. Proceed. Hon. Martha Wangari (Gilgil, UDA) Do you want me to ask the next Question?...

Hon. Martha Wangari (Gilgil, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. To be on record, I support you on accessibility. This Cabinet Secretary responds to Members, even 8th October 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 28 Hon. Martha Wangari (Gilgil, UDA)on the phone, if you have a burning issue. Perhaps, in your direction,...

Hon. Martha Wangari (Gilgil, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. On the last one, Cabinet Secretary, it would not be official for them to complain openly and say they have received money. This matter was very heated on the Floor. At that time, the music festivals were in Meru. Many...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary, Ministry for Education (Mr Julius Ogamba) : Thank you. I beg to respond to the four questions as follows. First, we wish to clarify that there has not been a decision to reduce capitation funding for primary and secondary...

Hon. Martha Wangari (Gilgil, UDA) Hoja ya nidhamu, Mhe. Spika wa Muda.

Hon. Martha Wangari (Gilgil, UDA) Mhe. Spika wa Muda, ukitoka mwambaoni, mahali Mbunge wa Matuga ametoka, ingawa wewe ni mtaalam wa Kiswahili yote, tunaelewa unafaa kuwa na ujuzi kuliko sisi tuliotoka bara. Lakini la muhimu tufahamu kuwa ni Kanuni za Kudumu za hii Nyumba ambazo zimetuamrisha kuwa huwezi kutumia lugha...

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) Mover, you have an amendment. Member for Kesses, you are nomadic.

Hon. Martha Wangari (Gilgil, UDA) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of the whole House has considered the Privatisation Bill, (National Assembly Bill No.36 of 2025) , and approved the same with amendments.

Hon. Martha Wangari (Gilgil, UDA) Thank you Hon. Temporary Speaker. I beg to report that the Committee of the Whole House has considered the Privatisation Bill, (National Assembly Bill No. 36 of 2025) , and approved the same with amendments.