Murungi Kathuri

Clerk, do we have quorum? Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Hon. Senators, I confirm that we now have quorum. Let us transact some business. (The Senators consulted loudly) Dismantle that kamukunji with immediate effect. Clerk, call out the first Order. QUESTIONS...

Yes. The two Cabinet Secretaries for Environment Climate Change and Forestry; National Treasury and Economic Planning and another one have been earmarked to appear again next week on Wednesday. The SBC felt that the reasons were genuine enough. Is the Cabinet Secretary Agriculture and Livestock Development around? Hon. Senators, the...

Hon. Cabinet Secretary, you can respond to the four-part Question. The Cabinet Secretary for Agriculture and Livestock Development (Hon. Mithika Linturi) : Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I once again thank the Senate for the good work they are doing for this country. I am happy to be here...

Samahani. Sen. Faki?

Hakiki na hakika ndio iliyonichanganya. Endelea Waziri. The Cabinet Secretary for Agriculture and Livestock Development (Hon. Mithika Linturi) : Bw. Naibu wa Spika, sijui ikiwa sheria na desturi za Bunge zilibadilika. Ninavyokumbuka ni kwamba lugha inayotumika ndio unayotumia kujibu. Sen. (Dr.) Murango amenitia katika kona ambayo nawezashindwa kujieleza vizuri. Naomba...

Niko na swali, Bw. Naibu Spika. Jambo kubwa sana ambalo lilikuwa limeleta shida ni magonjwa ya Kahawa, hasa kule Makueni sehemu za Mbitini, Mbooni, Kilungu na Machakos upande wa Kangundo ambako kahawa hukuzwa. Ni jambo gani utafanya uhakikishe ya kwamba yale magonjwa hayatarudi tena? Siku hizi kahawa ya Makueni haizai...

Leo nimefurahia kwa sababu mambo ya kahawa ni ya wale wazee wako kijijini. Hiyo lugha tunayotumia imenifurahisha sana kwa sababu tunaongea na wakulima leo tukiwa Seneti. Kwa hivyo, Bw. Waziri, tuendelee vivyo hivyo na hii lugha ya taifa, ili tuwafikie wakulima vizuri. The Cabinet Secretary for Agriculture and Livestock Development...

Asante. Sen. Munyi Mundigi, uliza swali moja pekee. Asante, Bw. Naibu Spika, nilikuwa na maswali mawili, lakini nitauliza moja. Nitafuata maagizo yako. Ningependa kuuliza Waziri wa Kilimo swali moja kama Naibu Mwenyekiti wa Kamati ya Kilimo, Mifugo na Uvuvi. Mimi hufurahia kwani kilimo kwenye Serikali ya Kenya Kwanza ni pesa...

Asante. Sen. Munyi Mundigi, uliza swali moja pekee.

Bw. Waziri, jibu

of. We are trying to see how to deal with the effects of this plant to ensure that we protect our rangelands.I may not be able to tell you to what extent or measures that we have developed. This matter was brought to the attention of the Cabinet by hon....

Proceed, hon. Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Agriculture and Livestock Development (Hon. Mithika Linturi) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, thank you for the question coming from the Senator for Kajiado. Senator, the plant you are referring to as ipomoea is very dangerous. Right now, it has affected around 37...

Proceed. I can see you are well seized of Tana River County issues. (Laughter)

Proceed to ask. Through the Ministry’s Directorate of Veterinary Services (DVS) issued advisory to all counties to step up vector control measures and enhanced surveillance.The Government, through the Ministry, procured 1.4 million doses of Rift Valley Fever (RVF) vaccines and 450,000 of the Blue Tongue Disease. Tana River received 150,000...

Proceed to ask.

Sen. Veronica Maina, you cannot engage the Cabinet Secretary directly. However, Hon. Cabinet Secretary, I said Senators were queuing to ask supplementary questions. I decided that we go to the second question, but any Senator with any supplementary question could ask, because you have wide knowledge on whatever they are...

Sen. Oketch Gicheru, proceed.

Asante, Bw. Naibu Spika. Nitajaribu kuitumia lugha hii ya taifa. Waziri, swali langu bado linahusiana na kilimo cha kahawa kulingana na mwelekezo wa Naibu Spika. Swali langu hasa ni kuhusu mbolea spesheli ya ruzuku ambayo wakulima wa kahawa hawapokei katika Kaunti ya Meru. Sehemu nyingine You were doing so well...

Sen. Mbugua, proceed.

Yes. You have answered the questions. The Cabinet Secretary for Agriculture and Livestock Development (Hon. Mithika Linturi) : Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

Okay. Hon. Cabinet Secretary proceed to answer those three questions. The Cabinet Secretary for Agriculture and Livestock Development (Hon. Mithika Linturi) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, allow me to start with the last question. It is not true that we have 236 million kilogrammes worth of unsold tea stock in...

Sen. Miraj, proceed.

For the last three seasons, farmers have not harvested anything. Most of the farm structures and citrus fruits have been destroyed.Is there any plan from your Ministry? Whenever there is a disaster, farmers normally get compensation or assistance just like the way you are now giving waivers and bailing out...

Swali lako ni moja lakini unauliza kwa kutumia maneno 1,000. Sen. Abass, proceed.

Cabinet Secretary, answer those three questions then we move to the last by

Government agency. It is doing a very good job under the leadership of the Major- General and making profits for the first time.You do not take years to be paid after taking your animals to KMC. I ask our livestock farmers not to bother much looking for market for their...

You are out of order, Sen. Sigei. Just ask the question.

standards that meet the international requirements for any food items for consumption, the Government has developed several legislations to address this particular issue.We all know that we have the Animal Disease Act, Cap 364 which provides that all animals presented for slaughter are free from disease and that they are...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I confirm that I have gone through the response from the Hon. Cabinet Secretary. I have equally shared with the questioner, Sen. Joyce, and I believe she has gone through it. As comprehensive as it is, we do not necessarily need to trouble the...

Cabinet Secretary? The Cabinet Secretary for Agriculture and Livestock Development (Hon. Mithika Linturi) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to reply as follows. As a Government, we have implemented certain requirements under the Fourth Schedule of the Constitution on distribution. We appreciate the functions of each level of government...

Do you have any supplementary question?

Bi. Spika wa Muda, nachukua nafasi hii kumshukuru Waziri kwa kuja. Kuna Seneta ambaye amesema kuwa Waziri huwa haji hapa. Amekuja hapa mara nyingi na ninamshukuru sana. Tangu Hoja ya kumwondoa ofisini iwakilishwe katika Bunge la Taifa, leo amefika mbele yetu na ninampongeza.Bi. Spika wa Muda, nilikuwa nimeulizwa kusoma swali...

Clerk, confirm whether we have requisite quorum? (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted the Speaker) Serjeant-at-Arms, ring the quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Hon. Senators, we now have quorum. Let us transact business. Clerk, call out Order No.1. PAPERS LAID THE SECOND REPORT OF THE PRC ON REVIEW...

Thank you. There is also a Paper to be laid by the Chairperson Standing Committee on Health. Proceed, Vice-Chairperson. REPORTS ON INSPECTION TOURS OF REFERRAL HOSPITALS IN VARIOUS COUNTIES

Thank you, Senator. Next Order. NOTICE OF MOTION APPROVAL OF THE SECOND REPORT OF THE PRC ON THE REVIEW OF THE SENATE STANDING ORDERS

Thank you. Next order? QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS STATEMENTS PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION OF HIGH GRAND FALLS DAM

I can see some interest in this statement, but I am tempted to decline these requests. Sen. Gataya Mo Fire, proceed.

Sen. Gataya Mo Fire does not refer to Sen. Wambua as Uncle Enoch.

Hon. Senators, make a two-minute comment so that we make progress. We have other statements lined up under Standing Order No.53 (1) . Sen. Maanzo, proceed.

Sen. Wamatinga, proceed.

Sen. (Prof.) Tom Odhiambo Ojienda, do you want to comment on this statement or something else?

Proceed, Sen. Oketch Gicheru.

Proceed, Sen. Wafula then we will go to the next Order.

Proceed, Sen. (Dr.) Oburu.

Sen. Cherarkey, just two minutes.

Sen. Abass, must you say something on this? Just two minutes, please.

Sen. Beth Syengo, you have one and a half minute.

Thank you. Sen. Wambua, this project has generated a lot of interest. Under Standing Order No.52 (1) , this statement is of topical concern. Maybe you can follow it up with the Cabinet Secretary for Water, Sanitation and Irrigation so that he can come and update the Senate on the...

The next statement is by Sen. Kinyua, the Senator for Laikipia County. USE OF “CORRUPTION FREE ZONE” TERM IN GOVERNMENT STATE OF ROADS IN THE COUNTRY

Thank you. Let us go to the statements under Standing Order No.53 (1) . Let us have the Senator for Kisumu County read his two statements first.

Sen. Kibwana, proceed. DEATH OF MASTER STEPHEN MWANGI FOLLOWING ALTERCATION WITH KFS OFFICERS

Sen. Betty Montet proceed. OPERATIONS OF NACONEK

Thank you. The ladies are doing so well this afternoon. Proceed, Sen. Shakila Abdalla. TRANSPORT CHALLENGES ON LAMU-GARSEN ROAD

Sen. Cherarkey, proceed. You have three Statements. Kindly read them simultaneously.

Sen. Wafula, proceed. DEATH OF MS. RUTH AYUMA INGANGA FROM A HIT-AND-RUN ACCIDENT

That is the end of statements. We go to the next order. THE METEOROLOGY BILL (SENATE BILLS NO. 45 OF 2023) THE HOUSES OF PARLIAMENT (BICAMERAL RELATIONS) BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO. 44 OF 2023)

(Bill deferred)Is the Mover around to reply because there is no other Senator interested to speak on this. We defer that Bill to next week.(The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted the Chair)I defer Order Nos. 10 to 12. COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE THE GAMBLING CONTROL BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO. 70 OF 2023)...

Proceed, Sen. Cherarkey.

Sen. Mohammed Faki.

He immediately corrected himself after a slip of the tongue. Sen. Cherarkey, maybe you can properly refer to Sen. Tabitha Keroche without mixing names.

Next is Sen. Tabitha Mutinda.

Since no other Senators is interested in contributing, we can now have the Mover to reply.

That is very correct. We will defer Division to a later date. (Putting of the Question on the Bill deferred) Let us go to the next Order. We will defer Order No. 14 and then we will go to Order No. 15. THE WILDLIFE CONSERVATION AND MANAGEMENT (AMENDMENT) BILL (SENATE...

Sen. Tabitha Mutinda, proceed.

Clerk, kindly confirm if we have quorum. My eyes cannot see well. Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Hon. Senators, we now have quorum. Clerk, call the first Order. COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR MEMBERSHIP TO MEDIATION COMMITTEE ON DIVISION OF REVENUE BILL...

Sen. Munyi Mundigi, proceed. Just a comment for two minutes is enough.

Asante, Seneta wa Embu.

Proceed, Sen. William Cheptumo.

Proceed, Sen. Okoiti Andrew Omtatah.

There is a lot of interest on this matter. I am afraid I might stop this at some point. Let us hear from Sen. Joe Nyutu.

You know, once you get an opportunity, you should engage what you can do in two minutes. Otherwise, the message was very clear and the team has been advised accordingly. Sen. Osotsi, proceed.

Can you reserve your energy until we get to Order No.9? You know, Sen. Tabitha Keroche is conspicuously sitting in the Senate Majority Leader's seat today. Is it like you are a Temporary Senate Majority Leader, or what is it? Two minutes for you. Hon. Senators, whenever you get time...

Thank you. Thank you. Let us go to the next Order. The Senate Majority Leader? Sen. Tabitha Keroche, you are the Principal Assistant of the Senate Majority Leader. PAPERS LAID REPORT OF THE AUDITOR-GENERAL ON THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS OF EMBU WATER COMPANY

The Chairperson, Standing Committee on Trade and Industrialisation, Vice Chairperson or a Member? Sen. Wakili Sigei, you have some papers to lay as the Chairperson of the Standing Committee on Justice, Legal Affairs and Human Rights. REPORTS OF THE JLAHR COMMITTEE ON ITS CONSIDERATION OF VARIOUS BILLS

Let us have the Senate Majority Leader again lay the Paper on Trade, Industrialisation and Tourism. REPORT ON THE COOPERATIVE SOCIETIES (AMENDMENT) BILL, 2023

Thank you. Next Order. QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS STATEMENTS Hon. Senators, we have a statement under Standing Order No. 53 (1) . Senator for Kirinyaga County, Sen. (Dr.) James Murango has two statements. One to the Standing Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations. The other one is to the Standing Committee...

Next Order. (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted the Deputy Speaker) Hon. Senators, by invoking Standing Order No 45 (2) , I hereby defer Order No. 8 we have no numbers for the Division. THE METEOROLOGY BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.45 OF 2023)

I want to allow two or three Senators to comment on the Statement on International Tea Day, starting with the Senator for Bomet County, Sen. Wakili Sigei.

Hon. Senator, ensure you make comments in two minutes. Clerk, kindly ensure it is two minutes. Mombasa County is the highest beneficiary of tea that is produced in other counties. Sen. Faki, what do you have to say about this?

Hapa naona Deputy Speaker Emiritus, Prof. Kamar.

Sen. Tabitha Mutinda, what do you think you can inform a Professor who has a lot of knowledge? (Laughter)

She saw muguka in Embu and not in Meru. She mentioned Embu County.

Sen. (Prof.) Kamar, you have mentioned Sen. Mundigi five times. He must get two minutes to say something.

Sen. Faki, hoja ya nidhamu ni juu ya nini?

Sen. Faki, ningependa kukujulisha ya kwamba huo mmea----. Order, Sen. Mundigi. (Sen. Munyi Mundigi stood up) Resume your seat. Huo mmea unatoka Mbeere kule Kaunti ya Embu umehalalishwa na Serikali ya Kenya katika Crop Act, 2013. Labda ulete sheria nyingine ya kuutoa kama mmea maalum kwa taifa la Kenya. Hapo...

Sen. Sifuna, proceed.

Sen. Wamatinga, proceed.

Sen. (Dr.) Oburu, proceed.

Let us proceed to Bungoma County.

We have very few minutes left to wind up this Order. Proceed, Sen. Maanzo.

Proceed, Sen. Kisang’.

Last but not least, Sen. Abass.

There is a Member who is on and off. Sen. Tabitha Mutinda, do you want to comment on this tea day or on another matter that is coming in the next order?

Thank you. Next Order, Clerk. THE HOUSES OF PARLIAMENT (BICAMERAL RELATIONS) BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO. 44 OF 2023) Sen. Wakili Sigei, you have 19 minutes. You can utilise them if you are ready.

Thank you, Chairperson Justice, Legal and Human Rights Committee (JLAC) . Next is Sen. Chararkey.

Hon. Senators, please hold on. Kindly have your seats. Let us conclude this business nicely. We will have progress reported on the Conflict of Interest Bill (National Assembly Bills No.12 of 2023) . Let us have the Chairperson. CONSIDERATION OF REPORT THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO.12...

Where is Sen. Chimera?

Let us proceed to vote. (Electronic Voting in progress) Sen. Kavindu, kindly approach the Clerk’s Table. (Sen. Kavindu Muthama approached the Clerk’s Table and registered her vote) THIRD READING THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO.12 OF 2023) DIVISION ELECTRONIC VOTING NOES: Nil. Hon. Senators, the results of...

Sen. Cherarkey, proceed.

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Coincidentally, Nandi County is County No.029. I rise to ask Question No.029 and it is as follows- GOLD MINING ACTIVITIES IN KENYA

Thank you. Cabinet Secretary, you can now respond to the Questions. The Cabinet Secretary for Mining, Blue Economy and Maritime Affairs (Hon. Salim Mvurya) : Thank you very much, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir and hon. Members of the Senate for the opportunity. I go straight to do a statement on...

For example, in Elgeyo-Marakwet, we have successfully identified an investor who will initially put Kshs4.8 billion. I am happy that we have now received concurrence from the Office of the Attorney General (AG) in terms of how we develop the contract. Therefore, we should be planning for ground breaking of...

Cabinet Secretary, proceed. The Cabinet Secretary for Mining, Blue Economy and Maritime Affairs (Hon. Salim Mvurya) : Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir and hon. Members. Mhe. Maanzo, thank you for the question. First of all, we have dichotomized minerals into industrial and construction. Copper falls within the 14 minerals...

Hon. Cabinet Secretary, that is a good one. The Cabinet Secretary for Mining, Blue Economy and Maritime Affairs (Hon. Mvurya) : Thank you, Mr. Speaker and hon. Members. Thank you, Senator for Kajiado County for that supplementary question. We have made very good progress on these regulations on 10 per...

In the last two weeks or so, our officers were in Migori, Siaya, and Narok were able to close all the illegal mining operations in those counties. Further, we have recommended the deportation of some of the international investors who are doing illegal mining. They did not have papers to...

Thank you, Sen. (Dr.) Boni. I gave you some time because I could see you were talking about the pride of the people in Kakamega. That is why I gave you time.

have formidable investments that can sustain the gold refinery activities that we should be able to begin soon. So, going forward, I assure the House that we are now very keen.I am aware that before our regime, there had been a lot of malpractices on the issue of licensing, which...

Sen. Onyonka, you may proceed. Sen. Onyonka, you may proceed.

You have an opportunity just for one supplementary question.

Asante Bw. Naibu Spika. Ningependa kutoa shukrani zangu za dhati kwa Waziri kwa sababu amedhihirisha ufasaha na ustadi wa hali ya juu katika Wizara yake. Vile vile kwa maswali ya ziada ambayo yamemjia kabla ya kujitayarisha. Ameonyesha ya kwamba ana ustadi wa kutosha. Waziri unakumbuka hivi kwamba miezi sita iliyopita,...

Let us report on the progress of the Committee of the Whole on the Gambling Control Bill (National Assembly Bills No.70 of 2023) . Chairperson, proceed.

Mover, proceed.

Who is seconding the Motion?

Sen. Cherarkey, which year was that?

Let us go to the next Bill, the Conflict of Interest Bill (National Assembly Bills No.12 of 2023) . The Chairperson, proceed to report progress. THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO. 12 OF 2023)

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for the opportunity. I will start by thanking Sen. Kavindu Muthama and the Select Committee, which went through this matter. This is a matter, which is affecting so many Kenyans. In 1998 when Sen. Cherarkey might have been in secondary or primary school, I...

Thank you. (Question proposed) (Question put and agreed to) (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted with the Deputy Speaker) Hon. Senators, we now go back to the Order on Statements. We have several statements--- Before we get to that, there is something Sen. Cherarkey must dispense off before he sits in this Chamber....

Sen. Chute, if I understood the Mover of this Motion, the USA is very ready to compensate. However, your line of argument is that they are the impeding. I want you not to lose focus with the Mover because she is already negotiating with the Americans, so that they do...

Let me guide you, Sen. Cherarkey. It is the prerogative of the Speaker to check and investigate those documents before being tabled. You do not need to explain anything---

Just table the document that you have. (Loud consultations)

be sympathetic of us. However, the risk of being ignored is very high if we go and show that actually, we have done nothing as a nation. We need to ask these various Ministries to do what they are supposed to do, so that we do not embarrass ourselves even...

Asante Bw. Naibu Spika. Naunga mkono Kamati ya Sen. Kavindu. Mimi ni mmoja wa hiyo Kamati. Tulikuwa watu tisa. Mambo ya ajabu ni kuwa, kama Kamati, tumekutana na Mawaziri wa Labor and Social Protection, Health, Interior and National Administration na hata pia, Mhe. Musalia Mudavadi. Tumetembea hadi mashinani kama vile...

Are you referring to Sen. Cherarkey?

Sen. Cherarkey, you know you should use the best language possible when referring to your colleague. You would not be happy to be told you are the PA to Governor Sang.

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I beg to move that the Statutory Instruments (Amendment) Bill, (National Assembly Bill No.2 of 2023) be now read a second time. This is a very important piece of legislation. Brief as it is, it carries with it very important powers of Parliament which have...

I thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker, for giving me the opportunity to second this important Bill that the Senate Majority Leader has moved. As I do that, it is imperative to point out that this Bill is an umbrella to statutory legislations, or rather regulations, which are normally made by...

The other Statements by Sen. Veronica Maina, Beatrice Ogola, Sen. Karen Nyamu and Sen. Chrystal Asige are deferred. LANDSLIDES IN KIGUMO CONSTITUENCY IMPLEMENTATION OF DLP BY MOE ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE AND ROAD SAFETY IN THE COUNTRY STIP BETWEEN THE USA AND KENYA ADOPTION OF PROGRESS REPORT OF THE AD HOC COMMITTEE...

Who are you addressing now, Sen. Kavindu Muthama?

Prosecute your matter.

Thank you, hon. Senator. Putting of the question is deferred to another date as will be scheduled by the Senate Business Committee (SBC) . (Putting of the question on the Bill deferred) (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted with the Temporary Speaker) I will further direct that the Order Paper be rearranged so...

Thank you, Majority Leader. Proceed, Sen. Mungatana.

Hon. Senators, it is 6.30 p.m., time to adjourn the House. The Senate, therefore, stands adjourned until tomorrow, Thursday, 16th May, 2024 at 2.30 p.m. The Senate rose at 6.30 p.m.

Thank you. Proceed, Sen. (Dr.) Oburu.

Thank you. Proceed, Sen. Chute.

Sen. Chute, if I understood the Mover of this Motion, the USA is very ready to compensate. However, your line of argument is that they are the impeding. I want you not to lose focus with the Mover because she is already negotiating with the Americans, so that they do...

Sen. Munyi Mundigi, proceed.

Let us have the Chairperson.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, your time is up. Maybe you can conclude.

Hon. Senators, pursuant to Standing Order No.45 (2) , we are going back to Order No.8 followed by Order No.9, in that order. THE MATERNAL, NEWBORN AND CHILD HEALTH BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.17 OF 2023) Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, you seem to have spoken on this Bill. (Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale spoke...

Hon. Members, I am trying to follow what the Senator is saying, but there seems to be some interruption from my right-hand side.

Sen. Nyamu and the Chairperson of the Committee on Justice, Legal Affairs and Human Rights, kindly take your seats. (Sen. Nyamu and Sen. Wakili Sigei resumed their seats)

Do you also have an interest? I thought you dropped us to the next bit. (Sen. Nyamu spoke off the record) Sorry? (Sen. Nyamu spoke off the record) Okay, alright. Thank you, Mr. Deputy, Speaker, Sir. I thank the Mover for coming up with this Bill. This Bill is very...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I rise to support this Bill by Sen. Beatrice Ogola for its significance in providing comprehensive healthcare, maternal and neonatal healthcare to mothers in the country. This is particularly so in the midst of the uncertainty surrounding the Linda Mama Programme that previously provided...

Thank you. Having no other Senator interested in contributing to this Bill, I call upon the Mover to reply.

Thank you, Sen. Omtatah. Sen. Maanzo Daniel, what is your intention on this screen?

Okay, proceed.

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Karen Nyamu, you may proceed.

Thank you. Having no other Senator interested in contributing to this Bill, I call upon the Mover to reply.

Thank you very much, Sen. Ogola. I will rearrange again the business of the House this evening. We go to Order No.19. We have just one-and-a-half minutes, perhaps you can start Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale. THE PUBLIC TRANSPORT (MOTORCYCLE REGULATION) BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.38 OF 2023)

Sen. Dr. Khalwale, you have a balance of 59 minutes to move your Bill.

Hon Senators, it is now 6.30 p.m., time to adjourn the House. The Senate, therefore, stands adjourned until Wednesday 15th May, 2024, at 9.30 a.m. The Senate rose at 6.30 p.m.

Thank you. Proceed, Senate Majority Leader.

Sen. Maanzo, Makueni County; Sen. Madzayo, Kilifi County; Sen. Methu, Nyandarua County; Sen. Munyi Mundigi, Embu County; Sen. Murgor, West Pokot County; Sen. Mwaruma, Taita-Taveta County; Sen. Ogola, Homa Bay County; Sen. Okiya Omtatah, Busia County; Sen. Osotsi, Vihiga County; Sen. Seki, Kajiado County; Sen. Sifuna, Nairobi City County; Sen....

Mover, Sen. Cherarkey.

Sen. Osotsi, do the needful.

This happened in Machakos County one time. Quite a number of businessmen who Machakos County owed money have done fantastic work in quite a number of projects in Machakos. The County Government of Machakos was not able to pay them.Similarly, in the County Government of Makueni, there are quite a...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I had already made part of my contribution. Before I stopped, I was painting an image as a Member of the County Public Accounts Committee (CPAC) and my Vice-Chairperson is here. I wanted to show how county governments end up with holes in their budgets. I...

Hon. Senators, I see no interest on this. We can now go to Division. We will start with the first one, the Division of Revenue Bill (National Assembly Bills No.14 of 2023) . Question put and hon. Senators proceeded to vote. If you have logged in, proceed to vote. (Electronic...

also ask counties to raise their own source revenue. For instance, Nandi has the potential of raising Kshs630 million from own source revenue. Therefore, even as we go into the future, we must agree as a nation that payment of pending bills should be a priority in all aspects.Mr. Deputy...

Hon. Senators, I want to reorganize the Order Paper this afternoon. We shall skip Order Nos. 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, and 19 and go to Order No.20. Clerk, please call out the Order. STATUS OF PENDING BILLS IN COUNTIES (Applause) Thank you very much, Mr. Deputy...

that are made to her based on the budget that she has, we would not have this challenge of pending bills.We have this problem of pending bills - Apart from corruption, we lack discipline in our system. I have sat in this House and every afternoon; I hear Members raising...

Bw. Naibu Spika, naunga mkono Seneta wa Kaunti ya Narok. Kuna mambo ambayo yanafaa kuangaliwa. Kenya ina kaunti 47 na kila mojawapo ina shida zake. Katika ulimwengu huu, miti haitoshani. Magavana walipochaguliwa katika kipindi cha kwanza na cha pili, waliajiri wafanyikazi waliokuwa na uhusiano nao. Wengine walikuwa wezi na walaghai....

Hon. Senators, I have a communication on the visiting lectures and students from Bomet University. Hon. Senators, in the Public Gallery we have 58 students and two lectures from Bomet University, in Bomet County, who are undertaking a one-day education visit to the Senate. Sorry, it is the change of...

Thank you, hon. Senator. I stand advised that the time that was allocated to this Motion has now expired and we have exceeded with a few minutes. It was allocated three hours under Standing Order No.111 (1) . It was now time for the Mover to reply and he is...

Senator, you can proceed to invite the Seconder.

A salient feature of this Bill is that it highlights the importance of access to quality health care and education by the public. Paying special attention to minorities, at risk people, marginalised communities and people with special needs. This demographic has historically had extenuating challenges in accessing quality and non-discriminatory...

Thank you, Sen. Abass. Next is the Deputy Minority Whip, Sen. Sifuna. Sen. Sifuna seems not to be aware of his title because---

Next is Sen. Chute.

Thank you. Hon. Senators, at exactly midday, we will be interrupting the debate to usher in the Cabinet Secretary for Gender, Culture, the Arts and Heritage so that she can answer the questions as it was earlier communicated. I do not know whether she is around. If she is, then...

As a legal practitioner and a lawmaker in this House, I have never seen a situation where any entity or person, including the President, can move to the High Court to appear at their own convenient time. I am aware that the Cabinet Secretary should have appeared at11:00 a.m.We should...

No. I am aware. I am coming to that.

Sen. Cherarkey, I think you were not in the House when this matter was---

So, you should not take us back where we were.

You have already concluded.

Sorry. let us clean up the process. So, read out the Order. QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS good people, as long as you are here. They were a bit agitated in the morning, but now they are relaxed. So, welcome to the Senate, and feel free to answer the issues that the...

Is that for both two questions, ‘A’ and ‘B’? Sen. Mutinda, do you have any supplementary Question?

We will pick a few more questions before the Cabinet Secretary responds. I think it will save some time. Sen. Mwaruma, you may proceed. Asante, Bw. Naibu wa Spika, kwa kunipa fursa hii ili niulize swali la ziada kwa Waziri Aisha Jumwa. Kwanza, nimpa kongole kwa sababu hii ni mara...

Waziri, usisumbuke kwani tulikuwa tunahitaji Waziri na sio mkurugenzi wa maktaba. Waziri kama yuko anajibu kila swali. The Cabinet Secretary for Gender, Culture, the Arts and Heritage (Hon. Aisha Jumwa) : Asante, Bw. Naibu Spika. Masuala ya pesa ya mishahara ya wafanyikazi wa maktaba ni kwamba tulipeana bajeti inayosimamia wafanyikazi...

We will pick a few more questions before the Cabinet Secretary responds. I think it will save some time. Sen. Mwaruma, you may proceed.

Bi. Waziri, unayo maswali mawili. One from Sen. Olekina and the other one from the Senator for Nairobi County, Sen. Sifuna. The Cabinet Secretary for Gender, Culture, the Arts and Heritage (Hon. Aisha Jumwa) : Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I would like to respond to the Senator for...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I want to ask the Cabinet Secretary a question. As she has rightly said, the function of the library is devolved, but it has not been followed to satisfaction. As the Chair of Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations, the employees have been experiencing...

Asante, Bw. Naibu Spika. Nimemsikia Waziri akisema ya kwamba kuna maktaba ambazo ni za kitaifa na akazitaja ni takriban tatu. Bi. Waziri, malizia jibu. Respond to the other question from the Senator for Nairobi. Sen. Olekina, the Cabinet Secretary will give you a comprehensive report on the cultural issues. Sen....

The Standing Committee on Labour and Social Welfare.

Waziri, endelea. The Cabinet Secretary for Gender, Culture and Arts and Heritage (Hon. Aisha Jumwa) : Asante sana, Bw. Naibu Spika. Kwa kweli nimejieleza sana kuhusu ugatuzi wa maktaba, kwamba tumegatua masuala ya maktaba. Sisi kama Serikali kuu tulifanya jukumu letu. Baada ya kugatua hizi maktaba kwa gatuzi tulizozipeleka, tulipeleka...

You cannot get such an answer from the Cabinet Secretary at this juncture. So, I have guided you in that manner. Last but not the least, Sen. Miraj, do you want to give vote of thanks?

Yours was just a comment. I want to close with the Senator for Kilifi, who is also the Senate Minority Leader,

Asante Kiongozi wa Wachache. Let us go back to the business we had. Sen. Mandago, you can proceed with the Motion on pending bills. (Resumption of debate on the Motion)

Sen. Mandago, you have 14 minutes.

The miracle Senator, Karungo Thang’wa Paul.

Sen. Karungo, you will have your 9 minutes next time. Maybe today afternoon. So, you should be around.

Hon. Senators, it is now 1 p.m., time to adjourn the Senate. The Senate, therefore, stands adjourned until today, Wednesday, April 24, at 2.30 p.m. The Senate rose at 1.00 p.m.

Sen. Wamatinga, proceed.

Mover.

Sen. M. Kajwang’ and the Senate Majority Leader, we now want progress reported on the County Boundaries Bill (Senate Bills No.6 of 2023) . Chairperson, proceed. PROGRESS REPORTED THE COUNTY BOUNDARIES BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.6 OF 2023)

The Mover, please, proceed.

Who is seconding?

Now, on the Sugar Bill, (National Assembly Bills No.34 of 2022) . Chairperson, proceed. THE SUGAR BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO.34 OF 2022)

Mover.

Who is seconding?

Next Order. STATUS OF PENDING BILLS IN COUNTIES Sen. Thangw’a, you had a balance of nine minutes on this Motion. Retrace your balance of the minutes.

We now have the Cabinet Secretary for Health to answer Question No.009 asked by the Senator for Kisumu County. Madam Cabinet Secretary, welcome to the Senate. Thank you for availing yourself to come and interact with the Senate on this and other supplementary questions that might arise in the course...

Madam Cabinet Secretary, kindly answer the questions. The Cabinet Secretary for Health (Hon. Nakhumicha) : Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir and Hon. Senators. It is always a pleasure to come to the Senate and apprise Senators on matters in the Ministry of Health. I am happy to respond to...

Hon. Cabinet Secretary, you can answer that. The Cabinet Secretary of Health (Hon. Nakhumicha) : Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, and Hon. Members. Indeed, the Ministry has a process for implementing the Social Health Insurance Act. For starters, the Ministry did gazette a transitional committee that has experts to ensure...

Proceed, Hon. Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary of Health (Hon. Nakhumicha) ]: Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker, Sir, and Sen. Mumma. Yes, I am aware that Kenyans are still paying NHIF. The intention is for payments to be continued and to ensure access to services. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I...

Sen. Chute, I gave you some good guidance and you are still deviating from my advice. There was no question at all. Proceed, Sen. Onyonka.

Okay, just let me get two more, then the Cabinet Secretary can respond.

I give very clear guidance, Sen. Karungo. I want to give a few Senators chances to ask supplementary questions on the subject matter of this Question. Then, I will allow the Cabinet Secretary to make a statement. I do not know whether you are the one who is in a...

Madam Cabinet Secretary, as you answer, that is a question that was asked by another Member. Hon. Senators, this is a very core question that is on the lips of many senators. So, maybe you give a comprehensive answer to that, so that we do not repeat it. The Cabinet...

Sen. Sifuna, you are on intervention. Do you have a point of order or maybe you are queing to contribute to another matter?

Kindly, do it within one minute and then she can answer.

Is that the same question you are asking now?

Sen. Sifuna, I heard the Cabinet Secretary say that they now have Kshs5 billion on the wheel to pay these bills.

I do not want us to continue---

Sen. Sifuna, rest assured that Nairobi City County will be covered.

Order, Sen. Sifuna. Sen. Sifuna, you know we cannot have two Speakers at the same time. No, you cannot direct your questions to the Cabinet Secretary. Nobody is special in this House. You should just abide by the laws of the debate and the Standing Orders, with a lot of...

Furthermore, we have put facilities into a primary care network. This is to ensure that then services and proper referral of services are done. That a Kenyan can move from one level of service to the other one without limitation.On the issue of Edu-Afia, I want to confirm that under...

Sen. Orwoba, proceed.

Proceed, Sen. Osotsi. The Cabinet Secretary shall answer those three questions, then, we go the Statements directly.

hon. Members, Linda Mama was taking care of ante-natal, delivery, post-natal care for only two visits after delivery. What we have now under the Social Health Insurance Fund (SHIF) is to take care of the family even after the ante-natal, delivery and post-natal care.We all know that the people who...

Sen. Mariam Omar, you had another clarification because you felt that your Question was not answered adequately. Proceed.

Sen. Mandago, proceed only for one minute.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I do not know why that applies to me and not other people, but it is fine. The question that Sen. Orwoba asked is very important. It is actually a manifesto question. A Government is in office on the basis of a specific pledge to the...

Thank you, Hon. Senators. Order, Senators! Order! (Sen. Cherarkey spoke off record) (Loud consultations) Sen. Cherarkey, you are out of order. Pursuant to Standing Order No.51 (6) (c), I would like to give the hon. Cabinet Secretary this opportunity to issue a statement on the doctors’ strike.Hon. Senators, you will...

There is no problem with that. However, since Senators have questions on the ongoing strike, let the Cabinet Secretary issue the statement then, you will still ask questions on NHIF.

Hon. Cabinet Secretary, proceed. ONGOING INDUSTRIAL STRIKE BY DOCTORS, CLINICAL AND LABORATORY OFFICERS [The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) left the Chair] [The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Abdul Haji) in the Chair] cadre of interns are ready, that is, the nursing officers with degrees and clinical officers with degrees. As I speak,...

Sen. Sifuna, there is a point of order from Sen. Nyamu. Proceed.

Sen. Sifuna, you cannot bring issues to do with Arsenal without bringing a substantive Motion. Proceed.

Hon. Senators, as we contribute to this Bill this evening, there will be many youth watching the game between Arsenal and Bayern Munich. Arsenal has the biggest fan base and, therefore, you might be addressing people who might kill themselves when teams lose. If the whole afternoon the Senate will...

Next, is the Deputy Minority Leader, Sen. Wambua Enoch.

Next is Sen. Nyamu.

Sen. Maanzo Daniel, you may proceed.

Proceed, Sen. Mumma.

Thank you. Sen. Mungatana, proceed.

Hon. Senators, it is now 5.00 p.m., in line with the decision made by the Chair that we have a Motion for Adjournment pursuant to Standing Order No.37. Therefore, I request, Sen. Mumma, to move her Motion. MOTION OF ADJOURNMENT UNDER STANDING ORDER NO.37 THE ONGOING STRIKE BY HEALTH WORKERS

Sen. Sifuna, are you aware that you will second in five minutes time?

Thank you. (Question proposed) We will start with Sen. Cherarkey Samson.

Sen. Cherarkey, when giving examples, avoid pointing at the Chair. You keep pointing at me in your examples about some people you mention. (Sen. Cherarkey spoke off record) Yes, you must apologize. Proceed, Sen. Beatrice Akinyi.

Sen. Maanzo.

Thank you. Next is Sen. Hamida Kibwana. Please, proceed.

Hon. Senators, I have a message concerning the Cancer Prevention and Control (Amendment) (No.2) Bill (National Assembly Bills No.45 of 2022) . (The Senate Majority Leader (Sen. Cheruiyot stood at the Bar) Majority Leader, you can have your way to your seat. Hon. Senators, I wish to report to the...

Next Order. QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS STATEMENTS Hon. Senators, we have one Statement under Standing Order No.52 (1) by Sen Edwin Sifuna. EXCLUSION OF KENYA LIONESSES RUGBY TEAM FROM AFRICA GAMES, 2024 POOR STATE OF HEALTHCARE IN LAMU COUNTY

There is a Statement under Standing Order No.53 (1) by Sen. Sifuna. Sen. Maanzo, proceed and read out the Statement on his behalf. GOVERNMENT-TO-GOVERNMENT AGREEMENT ON SUPPLY OF PETROLEUM PRODUCTS IN KENYA

Sen. Maanzo, I do not know why you have really struggled to read that Statement. I was wondering whether it was handwritten; you have really struggled. Sorry for that. There are other Statements. Sen. Chimera, you may proceed. LAND ADJUDICATION CHALLENGES AND PLIGHT OF SQUATTERS AT LUNGA LUNGA RANCH IN...

Proceed, Sen. Tobiko. DEATH OF INSPECTOR FELIX KELIAN KINTOSI OF DCI

Thank you. Proceed, Sen. Ali Roba. FREQUENT POWER OUTAGES IN MANDERA COUNTY

Proceed, Sen. Cherarkey. IRREGULARITIES IN LAND BELONGING TO KENYA RAILWAYS CORPORATION

Proceed Sen. Kavindu Muthama. COMPULSORY ACQUISITION OF PRIVATE LAND IN MACHAKOS COUNTY

Thank you. Proceed Sen. Miraj. HEALTH CARE PROVISION TO TEENAGE AND ADOLESCENT MOTHERS

Let us proceed to Statements under Standing Order No. 52 (1) . Sen. Lemaletian, proceed. RESPONSIVE BUDGETING FOR MENTAL HEALTHCARE

Thank you, Sen. Sifuna, proceed. EXCLUSION OF KENYA LIONESSES RUGBY TEAM FROM AFRICA GAMES, 2024

Thank you. Let us get the Statement by the Majority Leader under Standing Order No.57 (1) . BUSINESS FOR THE WEEK COMMENCING TUESDAY, 16TH APRIL, 2024

Thank you very much for the wishes. Next order. THE CANCER PREVENTION AND CONTROL (AMENDMENT) (NO.2) BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO.45 OF 2022) THE HOUSES OF PARLIAMENT (BICAMERAL RELATIONS) BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO.44 OF 2023) THE COUNTY BOUNDARIES BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.6 OF 2023) (Loud consultations) DIVISION ELECTRONIC VOTING...

Sen. Cherarkey, I can see there is an intervention, meaning there is a point of order from Sen. Lemaletian Hezena. Senator, what is your point of order?

Sen. Cherarkey.

Maybe I should request both of you to bring your certificates of admission, so that I can make the determination. If I use my eyes physically, you look junior to him but maybe not academically.

Before we proceed with the debate on this Bill, I want to give the chairperson of JLAC a chance to table the report on this Bill, so that Senators interested can also peruse the report from JLAC. PAPERS LAID REPORT ON THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST BILL, 2023

Let us get the other Paper from the chairperson, Committee on Finance and Budget. Lay the Paper and proceed to give Notice of Motion. REPORT ON STATUS OF IMPLEMENTATION OF PROJECTS FUNDED BY THE CONDITIONAL GRANT FOR CONSTRUCTION OF COUNTY HEADQUARTERS

The chairperson JLAC, now you can spend your minutes to contribute. (Sen. Wakili Sigei stood up in his place)

Now, that is the discretion of the Speaker. I reorganized what we were doing this afternoon to give them the opportunity to lay the Paper and give notice. Now we are back to Order No.12. Chairperson JLAC, proceed. (Resumption of debate on Bill)

Are you through or do you need two more minutes? Sen. Wakili Sigei: Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am actually concluding. Although the Bill is repealing certain provisions of some Acts such as the Leadership and Integrity Act, EACC Act, Anti-Corruption and Economic Crimes Act, it is amending seven provisions...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I am not sure what Sen. Maanzo is saying. I want to make my comments on this Bill without necessarily committing myself at this point as whether I am in support or opposed. This is for the simple reason that the Standing Committee on...