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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, CS. Sen. Veronica Maina; do you have any supplementary questions?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Do you have two?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Okay, proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. CS, proceed. The Cabinet Secretary for Mining, Blue Economy and Maritime Affairs (Hon. Mvurya) : Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. The National Blue Economy Strategy is in its final stages of completion. It will not take years but two or three months and...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Okay. Proceed and ask the second question.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) CS, you may respond. The Cabinet Secretary for Mining, Blue Economy and Maritime Affairs (Hon. Mvurya) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, that question goes beyond the earlier response, but I will respond to it. Through the State Department of Maritime and Shipping, we have a...

The Deputy Speaker (Hon. Kathuri) Hon. CS, you may respond. The Cabinet Secretary for Mining, Blue Economy and Maritime Affairs (Hon. Mvurya) : Thank you, Senator for Tharaka Nithi County. It is true I recently visited Tharaka Nithi and many other counties. The objective of visiting Tharaka Nithi County was...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, you are now deviating from the question that was raised by Sen. Veronica Maina. You are going to the first question that was asked by Sen. Dullo. Can you please, speak to this question to issue of gas and petroleum?

The Deputy Speaker (Hon. Kathuri) If you did not get a chance to give your question that time, you should not use this time now to sneak it in.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Do not tie it up. Just ask a specific question.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed, hon. CS. The Cabinet Secretary for Mining, Blue Economy and Maritime Affairs (Hon. Mvurya) : Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. The most technical way to explore blue resources, especially in the Indian Ocean, is to have a plan and a strategy. The marine...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Waziri, those are almost three questions in one. Sen. Veronica Maina, you are too smart in this question. They are almost three questions. CS, proceed. The Cabinet Secretary for Mining, Blue Economy and Maritime Affairs (Hon. Mvurya) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, these questions are...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. CS, you can make your concluding remarks. Hon. Senator, you can do a lot with this information. You can bring it back here as a different report which we can adopt as a House and get a way forward on our marine issues. Hon....

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Clerk, confirm whether we have quorum. (The Clerk consulted the Deputy Speaker) I request we call for quorum for five minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Hon. Senators, I have ascertained that we now have quorum. So, let us transact the House business. Clerk, proceed...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Senate Majority Deputy Whip. There is another paper to be laid by the Chairperson of the Standing Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations. Are you ready? REPORT ON THE COUNTY BOUNDARY BILL (SENATE BILLS NO. 6 OF 2023)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you. Next Order. Hon. Senators, let me make this Communication before we get to Order No. 7. COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR VISITING DELEGATION FROM MURANG’A COUNTY ASSEMBLY STATUS OF PENDING BILLS OF KISII COUNTY GOVERNMENT

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Order, Sen. Onyonka. Are you making your Statement? Your Statement is on pending bills?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Githuku, Senator for Lamu County, this is not a cowshed. When you get to the bar you must appreciate that this is a House of honour. Go back to the bar and bow in honour of this House. (Sen. Githuku walked to the Bar,...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Sen. Onyonka. The next Statement is from the Senator for Kirinyaga County, Sen. (Dr.) Murango.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) What is your point of order, Sen. Kinyua? It must be a point of order. You know that you cannot just raise frivolous points of order.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Kinyua, mbona unaruka Seneta wa Nyeri na yeye ndiye jirani zaidi? Wewe uko Laikipia. Jirani wa Murang’a zaidi ni Seneta wa Nyeri.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Nitampatia dakika moja. Yeye ni jirani mwema wa Murang’a pia.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Seneta wa Nyeri?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Senator for Nyeri, I did not know that you had that passionate message. Next time you must catch the Speaker’s eye. Otherwise, you could have lost your message.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Mumma, what is out of order? Are you also claiming to be a neighbor of Murang’a? (Applause) NOTICE OF MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT UNDER STANDING ORDER NO. 37 THE DISCOVERY OF MASS GRAVES AT SHAKAHOLA IN KILIFI COUNTY

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I can see for sure that this is a matter of national importance. It is a bipartisan issue. I have confirmed that you have the threshold and therefore, I direct that the Senate will adjourn at 5:30 p.m. to consider that Motion. Hon. Senators, there...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I want to allow Hon. Senators to make comments on those two Statements. The Statements by Sen. Onyonka and Sen. Oketch Gicheru. I can see there is a point of order from Sen. (Dr.) Lelegwe Ltumbesi. What is out of order?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed. Let me give you one minute to at least say something, on behalf of the leadership of the Majority Side.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you. There is another intervention from Sen. Veronica Maina.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Veronica Maina, your statement about Murang’a County having the best wives, is a statement of fact because no Member has objected to your statement. Therefore, you carry it. Yes! Let us have Sen. Maanzo.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you. Hon. Senators, as management of this good House, we really need to stick to the one hour for Statements. I can see there is a lot of interest on these two Statements. We still have another Statement by Sen. Miraj. So, I request...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you. Let us now hear the former governors. You know matters pending bills are domiciled in both the national Government and the county governments. So, let us hear from Sen. Mandago.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Cheptumo, what is your point of order because Sen. Mandago was making a point?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Mandago, can you give your sentiments?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) He made it clear that he has never been a governor.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Sen. Mandago. Hon. Senators, I communicated that I am giving two minutes each for a comment on the Statements. I will be really restricted to give a few others, maybe three or four, from both sides. Sen. Ogola, you may have the Floor.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senator, the speaker does not do that. Once we say two minutes, you stick to your point and deliver it. Sen. Ali Roba, you may have the Floor.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) You both have the same timeline of two minutes. Yes, two minutes. You approached the Chair and I advised you to squeeze your time.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Methu, which Standing Order are you rising on?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Who is not properly dressed?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Methu, who is being discriminated?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) These are things which were cleared last year and you are raising them again?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) However, if you were a gentleman enough, you could have worn the same attires then come and raise your issues.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Today you are properly dressed, let us make progress.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Yes, just for tomorrow, come with it then we will handle it.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Okay, we will meet here tomorrow morning or afternoon. Sen. M. Kajwang’ you may have the Floor.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Be looking at these lights when you are making your points because we really need to restrict ourselves to the one hour for statements so that we can do Bills and Motions.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. M. Kajwang’ you have done so well. That is past 80 per cent. Sen. Kinyua, you may have the Floor.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Asante sana, Sen. Kinyua. Sen. Kavindu Muthama, kindly proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Asante sana. Both Statements are referred to the respective committees. As Members have requested, I will advise that, as the Committee on Finance and Budget replies to the Statement by Sen. Onyonka, they should include all the 47 counties and table a Report in this...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) What is your point of order, Sen. Crystal Asige?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I will give you two minutes to make a comment on the Statement and give us reasons why you feel it should go to Transport and Roads Committee. I can see you are lined up. Sen. Faki, proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Asante sana. Sen. Mumma proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed, Sen. Shakila Abdalla.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, you realize that the interest is on my left-hand side. Do not ask me why I am not giving to the right side. Sen. Kinyua, you are very low on the list we are yet to get to you. The ladder has not...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed, Sen. Kibwana.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mwisho, Sen. Kinyua.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Kuzuru au Kutua Mombasa? Ni kutua, kuchukua na kuleta abiria. Ndege haiwezi kuzuru Mombasa. (Laughter)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Wambua, uko na hoja ya nidhamu?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Kinyua, weka hoja zako bayana ili tuelewe kile unamaanisha.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Kinyua, muda wako umeisha. Sen. Chute, uko na hoja ya nidhamu kuhusu haya maneno ya “kuzuru, kutua na kutembea”.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Kiongozi wa walio wachache, una hoja ya nidhamu? The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Madzayo) : Bw. Naibu Spika, Seneta wa Marsabit ni ndugu na rafiki yangu, namheshimu sana. Singependa kumuingilia kati, lakini ametaja pesa za America kama “dollari”. Je, pesa za America zaitwa dollari ama...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Madzayo): Bw. Naibu Spika, unasema tu dollar. April 25, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 22 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) My direction was right 100 per cent. Sen. Orwoba, you are out of order. Sen. Olekina, proceed. You did not contribute. The time to debate is up for grabs. THE EQUALIZATION FUND APPROPRIATION BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.3 OF 2023) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon....

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Olekina, you have heard the issues raised on your Statement.

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)An Hon. Senator: Allegedly.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, you know--- The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, the word “shame” is not Parliamentary. You are colleagues, Hon. Senator. The word is absolutely unparliamentary because in this House, you either vote to defeat Bill. You either vote “No” or “Yes” and that is done. To...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, it baffles me when a Senator, someone who is supposed to read any Bill that he contributes to, stands on the Floor of the House and says that I am misleading the public. That, the reason we deviated was not the Hustler Fund? I wish to...

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I believe that an advocate of the High Court, would pay attention to details and read everything---

On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Yes, I am an advocate of the High Court.

On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)An Hon. Senator: Quote the Standing Order.

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you for your protection against ignorance.

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the ink is dry on history. The vote was taken last week and it does not matter how much discomfort it causes. Let your conscience kill you, but the fact of the matter remains that you voted to deny counties money.

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I really want to be informed. However, if I cannot be informed, I might as well end there. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) There is no time for information. Just survive with what you know for now.

Thank you, very much for giving me this time. Be blessed (Applause) April 25, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 31 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, there was a directive I was to make on the Statement issued by Sen. Miraj. This Statement on landing rights for scheduled international flights to...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I also rise to support the Equalization Fund Appropriation Bill. My colleagues have spoken about the Division of Revenue Bill that was passed in this House last week. I would like to be candid and inform the House that sometimes, it is good to...

On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) What is your point of clarification, Sen. Crystal Asige? Is it a point of information?

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I do not want to be informed. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Give her the microphone.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, it is a point of clarification and not a point of order.

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I was laying a foundation to my contribution to the Equalisation Fund. Therefore, allow me to continue and contribute to the Equalisation Fund. April 25, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 32

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, my point of clarification is just for you to help clarify whether the Senator for Bomet County is contributing to the Equalisation Fund or what happened last week. Right now, we are contributing to the Equalisation Fund. My clarification is about relevance in his contributions. Thank...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I was laying a foundation to my contribution to the Equalisation Fund. Therefore, allow me to continue and contribute to the Equalisation Fund. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Okay, proceed.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, kindly protect me from Sen. Cherarkey. (Sen. Cherarkey spoke off record.) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sorry. What did you say?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, from the drafters of our Constitution, the Equalisation Fund was aimed at ensuring that there is equality. It is to ensure that some or most of the marginalized counties in various areas of our country are not left behind. It is...

On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) You are out of order and you now have a point of order? (Laughter)

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mover kindly proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I now direct the Bell be rung for two minutes. (The Division Bell was rung) Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly draw the Bar. Hon. Senators, be prepared to vote. (The Bar was drawn and the doors closed) (Voting in progress)

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that the Division of Revenue Bill (National Assembly Bill No.9 of 2023) be now read a Third Time. I request the Senate Majority Leader to second.

I second. (Question proposed) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I now direct the Bell be rung for two minutes. (The Division Bell was rung) Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly draw the Bar. Hon. Senators, be prepared to vote. (The Bar was drawn and the doors closed) (Voting in progress) April 20, 2023 SENATE...

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)Equalization Fund. We should vehemently refuse any attempt to delay the one-half of the audited accounts that is called Equalization Fund that is supposed to go to these people.Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, what is more, medical personnel, nurses, paramedics, clinical officers and doctors do not want...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Clerk, confirm whether we have the requisite quorum. (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted the Speaker) Serjeant-at-Arms, please, ring the Quorum Bell for five minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) We now have quorum. Clerk, proceed to read the first Order. PAPER LAID

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed and Table. REPORT ON THE RELOCATION OF NATIONAL GOVERNMENT ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES FROM CHUKA TOWN TO KATHWANA COUNTY HEADQUARTERS, THARAKA NITHI COUNTY

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you. Next Order. STATEMENTS STATE OF HEALTH AND SAFETY IN SCHOOLS ELECTIONS OF OFFICIALS TO KEWOSA STATUS OF IMPLEMENTATION OF THE “BUY KENYA BUILD KENYA’’ INITIATIVE THE NEED FOR IDENTITY PROTECTION

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Let us get at least two comments. We shall start with the Majority Leader.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Majority Leader. The author of this Statement is requesting the Standing Committee on National Security, Defence and Foreign Relations to look into this matter. However, your suggestion is very relevant because we have had a Data Commissioner from last year. April 19, 2023...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) This is an interesting Statement. I had limited to two, but because of the law of supply and demand, let me give an opportunity to two more Senators; one from the Majority Side and another from Minority side. Let us hear the ICT guru, Sen....

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Let us have the next Statement by Sen. Sifuna. CONSTRUCTION WORKS ON NGONG ROAD

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Before I allow time for comments, Sen. Orwoba, as I speak, your Statement is before the Committee on National Security, Defence and Foreign Relations. However, if you want to do changes as advised by the Senate Majority Leader, you can approach the Liaison Committee to...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Thang’wa, Chairperson of the Committee on Roads, Transportation and Housing, what is out of order?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Thang’wa, the Senator for Nairobi is none other than Sen. Sifuna and he represents the good people of Nairobi City County, including my children who use Ngong Road. So, he is very much in order to represent his people in this House. You are...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hapo umesema vizuri, Sen. Munyi Mundigi. Sen. Cherarkey, kindly give brief comments because we are taking a lot of time on Statements. You have a maximum of two minutes. I also request that you be timed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I will ---

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Cherarkey, I was giving some communication and you are still talking. Why are you confusing my guidance to the House? (Sen. Onyonka spoke off record) You are protected. So, kindly use your two minutes.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Your time is over, Sen. Cherarkey. On the screen, on my left-hand side, I can see Sen. Oketch Gicheru, Sen. Onyonka and Sen. (Dr.) Oburu. Of course, Sen. Onyonka, you were to get the chance, but now Sen. (Dr.) Oburu has requested that he should...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) The Statement is committed to the Standing Committee on Roads, Transportation and Housing. The next Statement by Sen. Veronica Maina. Just a minute Sen. Veronica Maina. (Interruption of Statements) COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR VISITING DELEGATION FROM KERICHO DAY SECONDARY SCHOOL, KERICHO COUNTY

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed, Sen. Onyonka.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Orwoba, tumia dakika mbili.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Veronica Maina, you may make your Statement. (Resumption of Statements) April 19, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 10 STATUS OF IMPLEMENTATION OF THE “BUY KENYA BUILD KENYA’’ INITIATIVE

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you. Let us get two or three comments. First is from Sen. Mumma.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Just a minute, Sen. Mumma. What is your point of order Sen. Mandago?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Let us get the second point of order from the Senate Majority Leader.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I thought you wanted to comment.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Mumma, the two points of order touch on Standing Order No.105.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Are you saying that you are ready to provide evidence or facts that the Government has leased or acquired land in Zambia?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Mumma, you were doing so well before you touched on that livewire. Are you saying that you want to table evidence, so that now you can go on record, you will table evidence that you have facts and evidence, so that we can now...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Yes, I will give you enough time.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) What is your point of order, Sen. Cheptumo?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) You have another point of order.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. M. Kajwang’, the Majority Leader is also on a point of order. You cannot stand on a point of order on a point of order. Allow Sen. Mumma to proceed and then you can raise your matter. Let us get her moving then you...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Mumma, pursuant to Standing Order 105 (2) , I give you up to the next Sitting to provide that evidence. Proceed Sen. M. Kajwang’.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Your point of order is taken. One thing you must be alive to is that the Speaker has no eyes and has no ears. I did not stop the Hon. Member from continuing with her submission until the Senate Majority Leader and Sen. Mandago alerted...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Tabitha Mutinda. Note that we are giving only two minutes to make a comment on the Statement. This is no time for debate.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed, Sen. Oketch Gicheru. Senator, you seem to not be prepared to make any comment on this. Are you prepared?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Okay.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I saw as if you were not being attentive.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Last but not least, Sen. Cherarkey.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you. Hon. Senators, in the Public Gallery, we have 63 pupils, accompanied by four teachers and one Board of Management (BoM) member from Mukou Primary School in Mwea West sub-county in Kirinyaga County who are in the Senate on an education tour. Hon. Senators,...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Next Statement by Sen. Mbugua. April 19, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 17 STATUS OF SPECIAL NEEDS TEACHERS AT NGAO SPECIAL SCHOOL

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you. Let us get a brief comment from Sen. Joe Nyutu, Chairperson, Standing Committee on Education.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Cheptumo, proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Wamatinga, you may proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) The next two Statements are by Sen. Chute. April 19, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 19 STATUS OF COMPENSATION AND RESETTLEMENT OF RESIDENTS OF BUXTON ESTATE, MOMBASA COUNTY

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Just a moment, Sen. Chute. What is your point of order, Sen. Thangw’a?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) The Chairperson, Committee on Roads and Transportation, that issue was well canvased when this Petition was approved. His Statement is touching on acquisition not compensation. Therefore, there is a clear line. You are the Chairperson of the Committee. Once all these issues land on your...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Nothing is out of order. No Member is on the Floor, Sen. Orwoba. Sen. Cherarkey, a point of order on who? Who is on the Floor contributing, so that you can raise a point of order? (Sen. Orwoba and Sen. Cherarkey spoke off record) Sen....

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Sen. Chute. I am actually trying to get your prayers from the first Statement which the Chairperson Committee on Roads and Transportation was alluding to and what exactly is it that you want executed. You have requested the Committee on Justice, Legal Affairs...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed, Sen. Gataya Mo Fire. RECENT DEATHS OF INDIVIDUALS IN CHUKA TOWN AND ALONG THE BORDER BETWEEN THARAKA AND IGEMBE SOUTH

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Those three Statements stand committed to their respective committees. I can see some requests here. I do not know whether they want to make comments or the reasons for their requests. Proceed, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Abbas, proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I am trying to give Members who have not spoken today. (An hon. Senator spoke off record) I am not looking at your faces but at the screen. Sen. Tabitha Mutinda, had you contributed?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Thang’wa, proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Senate Majority Leader, proceed. (Loud consultations)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed, Sen. Montet Betty.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) This issue has elicited a lot of interest because I want to go to the Statements hour. Let us get to hear from the Deputy Minority Leader.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Kajwang’, visit Standing Order No.98. When a Member is on the Floor, there is nothing completely. You cannot rise, what are you rising on now? How will you raise a point of order? Maybe when he is done contributing you can be able to...

The Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)Yes, Sen. M. Kajwang’.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) You should not contribute. Which Standing Order are you rising on?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, hon. Senator. Sen. Wambua you can use your two minutes. Let us conclude the Statement hour.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, looking clearly at this Statement, and also listening to the sentiments of various Senators who have given their remarks on it, I rule that it should be handled by two Committees. That is, the Standing Committee on Roads, Transportation and Housing and the...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Who is out of order? Is it the Chair? April 19, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 28 ACTIVITIES OF THE COMMITTEE ON COUNTY PUBLIC ACCOUNTS

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you for that brief statement. Sen. Methu, what is your point of order.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Methu, you are using the word “you” in a way that is confusing me. You are referring to me because I understand the Chair who was here then, made a ruling on your dressing. Why are you using short cuts because it was not...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Now you are smartly dressed. Sit down and transact business.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) The Speaker dispensed off this matter yesterday.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Maybe I need to look at the HANSARD.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I will look at the HANSARD on what the Speaker ruled yesterday.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I think that is better.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Onyonka, I told you to refer to Standing Order No. 98 because we have finished that matter and we cannot go back to the issue. I have ruled that we must consult the HANSARD and that has been noted by the Clerk.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) No, he is not on the Floor. You cannot inform him because he is not on the Floor now. You know, I have a lot of respect for you, Sen. Sifuna, but it is Standing Order No. 98 that has saved this House from unnecessary...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Sifuna how do you know whether he did not change his religion last night?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, in the Public Gallery, we have 87 students accompanied by eight teachers from St. Paul Kinangop Academy in Nyandarua County who are in the Senate on an academic tour. Hon. Senators, in our usual tradition of receiving and welcoming visitors to Parliament, I...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Let us go to the Chairperson of the Select Committee on County Public Investment and Special Funds. (Resumption of debate on Statements) ACTIVITIES OF THE COUNTY PUBLIC INVESTMENT AND SPECIAL FUNDS COMMITTEE

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Thank you, Mr. Deputy, Speaker, Sir. On my behalf and on behalf of the great people of Nandi whom I represent the Senate and on behalf of your Senator, Sen. Thangw’a, I extend a warm welcome to the Senate of the Republic of Kenya. As you are aware, there are...

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Kwa Kiingereza, tunaweza kusema ni puppets wa Serikali zilizoko. Na hii haikuanza sasa---.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Samahani, Bw. Naibu Spika, kama umeielewa hivyo. Mategemeo yangu ni kwamba ni watu ambao hawana msimamo katika mambo ambayo wametumwa kufanya. Kwa hivyo, hata tukiwa na sheria nzuri namna gani, wale ambao watatumwa kutekeleza sheria zile, ikiwa ni watu waoga ambao wanajali mkate wao kwanza...

Kwa Kiingereza, tunaweza kusema ni puppets wa Serikali zilizoko. Na hii haikuanza sasa---. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Vikaragosi kwa Kiingereza ni cartoons, vitu kama hivyo? Sijaelewa kama hiyo ni lugha ya kutumia katika Bunge letu la Seneti.

Samahani, Bw. Naibu Spika, kama umeielewa hivyo. Mategemeo yangu ni kwamba ni watu ambao hawana msimamo katika mambo ambayo wametumwa kufanya. Kwa hivyo, hata tukiwa na sheria nzuri namna gani, wale ambao watatumwa kutekeleza sheria zile, ikiwa ni watu waoga ambao wanajali mkate wao kwanza kuliko kujali yale mambo ambayo...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Bw. Naibu Spika, kwanza, ninashukuru kwa maongozo yako. Lakini, najaribu kufikiria dada yangu, Sen. Veronica Maina, sijui amesimama kwa msingi gani ya Kanuni zetu za Kudumu za Bunge. Yale anayoyazungumza ni mambo ambayo--- Mimi sijataja Serikali ya Kenya Kwanza. Nimesema Serikali zote. Hata Serikali ya...

Is he in order to start talking about puppets and get completely irrelevant out of the current debate? He has veered off from the discussion and the content of the Bill that is under discussion and continues to consistently attack the Government of Kenya Kwanza, which has not yet been...

Bw. Naibu Spika, kwanza, ninashukuru kwa maongozo yako. Lakini, najaribu kufikiria dada yangu, Sen. Veronica Maina, sijui amesimama kwa msingi gani ya Kanuni zetu za Kudumu za Bunge. Yale anayoyazungumza ni mambo ambayo--- Mimi sijataja Serikali ya Kenya Kwanza. Nimesema Serikali zote. Hata Serikali ya Jubilee ilimweka ndani Sen. Cherarkey...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for the opportunity to contribute to this Bill. I rise to congratulate our colleague, Sen. Mungatana, MGH, for spearheading the development and enactment of this Bill. I participated in the Bomas of Kenya process for development of the Constitution....

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, from the outset, I laud Sen. Mungatana, MGH, for standing up and promoting this particular Bill. I would also like to laud the membership of the Committee on Justice, Legal Affairs and Human Rights that sat through this Bill, took it through the submissions by the...

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)access primary education for all. It remains a preserve of few, basically because of poor planning strategy.Just the other day on this Floor, we were complaining about the implementation of junior secondary. We were here as a country planning for it, and when the time came,...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, for giving me the chance. I rise to appreciate and support the Bill by Sen. Mungatana, MGH. When we talk about human dignity and when hon. Mungatana presents to us The Preservation of Human Dignity and Enforcement of the Economic and Social Rights Bill, I...

access primary education for all. It remains a preserve of few, basically because of poor planning strategy.Just the other day on this Floor, we were complaining about the implementation of junior secondary. We were here as a country planning for it, and when the time came, the children were sitting...

month old baby. What choice did that baby have? That baby had a right to live in dignity, though now being indignified in death. I hope this Bill will address all that.I support Sen. Mungatana. All Kenyans have a right to dignity and socio- economic services. Let us reflect on...

Thank you. Hon. Members, there being no other Senator who wants to contribute to the Bill, I now call upon the Mover, Sen. Mungatana, to reply.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I am very grateful this evening for having listened to many words of wisdom from fellow colleagues. Each one of them who took to the Floor of this House had something to add to this Bill. I am grateful to the Senate Majority Leader for seconding...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly ring the Quorum Bell for five minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Ring again for five more minutes. We have not yet achieved the threshold. (The Quorum Bell was rung) (Several Senators walked into the Chamber) Hon. Senators, we now have the requisite...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you. Hon. Senators, take just two minutes to pass the message you have on the two Communications that I made. Proceed, Sen. Methu. An Hon. Senator: Meru or Nyandarua County?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed, Sen. Okenyuri.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I am trying to balance both sides. Proceed, Sen. Kinyua. (Laughter)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Kisang, you may proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Dullo, kindly proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) You know that she has mentioned heaven so let me give her one minute to conclude.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, kindly note that it is two minutes and also check the light because we have a lot of business today to transact. I want us to at least to get somewhere. However, Sen. Mungatana, MGH, you know you are a senior legislator here....

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Veronica Maina, you may proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you. Proceed, Sen. Abass.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you. Proceed, Sen. Cheptumo.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Your message has reached home, Chairperson of the Committee on National Security, Defence and Foreign Relations. The last one is Sen. Wakili Sigei.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you. Let us go to the next order. MISTREATMENT AND HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATION METED ON THE FAMILY OF THE LATE HON. JEAN MARIE SERONEY The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Cherarkey has a Petition to present. Since he is not around, the Petition is...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed, Chairperson of the Committee on Labour and Social Welfare.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Chairperson, Committee on Labour and Social Welfare, there is a Paper that you are supposed to lay. Kindly, approach the Clerks-at-the-Table because we are not yet on Statements. You are ahead of time. (Sen. Murgor consulted with the Clerk-at-the-Table) REPORT ON THE EMPLOYMENT (AMENDMENT) BILL,...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Let us go to the next Order. The Chair of Committee on National Security, Defence and Foreign Relations, Sen. Cheptumo. NOTICES OF MOTIONS INTEGRATION OF ETHNIC MINORITIES AND MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES IN KENYA

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you. Let us go to the next Order. We have two or three Statements. Hon. Senators, you will realize that we spend a lot of time on Statements and Members wishing to make comments on them. We are on the Statements hour and it...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) As I have just communicated, I will give a few Senators at least to make two-minutes comments on these Statements. Senate Majority Leader, are you trying to control the Chair? Are you even trying to imagine?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Okay. Proceed, Sen. Tabitha Mutinda.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you. Let us now give a chance to a Senator who has not spoken today. Proceed, Sen. Orwoba. March 30, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 14

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Murgor, do you want to comment or we are waiting for your Statement which is the next one on the Order Paper? (Sen. Murgor spoke off record) Kindly, proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed, Sen. Kinyua.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Wakili Sigei, you have the Floor.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Let us give the next two Statements simultaneously by Sen. Murgo, and then Sen. Abbas

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) What is the point of one?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) How did you know that you were in the line?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) You know, in the spirit of trying to save time, I was limiting the number of speakers on that particular Statement. This is because I have given more than eight Senators a chance to comment on that particular Statement by Sen. Okenyuri.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) So, can you use one minute?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I am keen to hear what you want to say in this matter of national importance. I will give you two minutes.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) This Statement has attracted a lot of interest. From where I sit, I know that a Statement cannot solve the issues that you are addressing, Sen. Mungatana. I wish Sen. Okenyuri could come up with a Bill. That would really help because I know we...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Murgor, please, proceed. GRABBING OF LAND BELONGING TO KANYARKWAT GROUP RANCH

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) The next one by Sen. Abass. PENDING BILLS IN WAJIR COUNTY

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Let us get to the Statement by the Chair of the Committee on Justice, Legal Affairs and Human Rights (JLAHRC) under Standing Order No.56 (1) . ACTIVITIES OF THE COMMITTEE ON JUSTICE, LEGAL AFFAIRS AND HUMAN RIGHTS

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, the Chairperson of the Standing Committee on Justice, Legal Affairs and Human Rights (JLACHR) . I thank you for showing that direction. In the Liaison Committee, we unanimously agreed that we need to have Quarterly Reports from the Chairpersons. A request will be...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) That is a valid concern. However, now maybe the owner of the Petition is not aware that the Petition was executed by another Senator sometimes back. Therefore, the Chairperson of the Committee will work on it to know whether for sure they need to go...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Senate Majority Leader. Hon. Senators, I want to re-arrange the order of business. Business appearing as Orders No.8, 9 and 10 stand deferred. THE NATURAL RESOURCES (BENEFIT SHARING) BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.6 OF 2022) THE COUNTY VOCATIONAL EDUCATION AND TRAINING BILL (SENATE BILLS...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Senate Majority Leader. (Question proposed) Hon. Senators, this is now the time for you to make your contributions to this Bill. Sen. Tabitha Mutinda had made a request to speak on this Bill but she is not in the House. Sen. Veronica Maina,...