Murungi Kathuri

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CURRENT POSITIONS

A member of the 13th Parliament

COMMITTEE MEMBERSHIP

Chairperson of the Liaison committee.
Vice-Chairperson of the Procedure and Rules committee.

PARLIAMENTARY ACTIVITY

Plenary Contribution 19th January 2023

4 contributions in 2 sections

Certified Hansard section Thursday, 19th January, 2023 - Morning Sitting

Sen. Kathuri Bw. Spika, ninakushukuru sana kwa nafasi hii ili nimkaribishe rafiki yangu Seneta mpya ambaye amechaguliwa juzi, Sen. William Kisang. Tumefanya kazi na yeye miaka 10 katika Bunge la Taifa. Ninamjua kama kiongozi aliwafanyia watu wa eneo Bunge lake kazi nzuri sana. Ninachukua nafasi kuwapongeza wale wangeni walioko katika...

Sen. Kathuri Sen. Maanzo, you may proceed. January 19, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 14 Sen. Kathuri In the last Parliament, the Jubilee Party had so many Members of Parliament (MPs). Currently, the Jubilee Party has less than 20 MPs. We do not know which party will have the majority tomorrow. The...

Certified Hansard section Thursday, 19th January, 2023 - Afternoon Sitting

Sen. Kathuri Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, is it in order for the Senate Majority Leader to mention Sen. Okiya Omtatah when he is not here to defend himself? Is Sen. Cheruiyot also stating that Sen Okiya Omtatah is the one who reduced the slots for Parliament?

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

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Plenary Contribution 30th December 2022

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Certified Hansard section Friday, 30th December, 2022 - Afternoon Sitting

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Bw. Naibu Spika, hoja yangu ya nidhamu haihusiani na Sen. Methu. Hakukuwa na Spika kwenye hicho kiti dakika kama mbili zilizopita na hiyo imenishtua. Wakati Sen. Methu alipokuwa anaongea, ni kama hakuwa anaongea katika Seneti ya Jamhuri ya Kenya kwa sababu hicho kiti hakikuwa na...

Bw. Naibu Spika, hoja yangu ya nidhamu haihusiani na Sen. Methu. Hakukuwa na Spika kwenye hicho kiti dakika kama mbili zilizopita na hiyo imenishtua. Wakati Sen. Methu alipokuwa anaongea, ni kama hakuwa anaongea katika Seneti ya Jamhuri ya Kenya kwa sababu hicho kiti hakikuwa na Spika, kilikuwa kuwa wazi. The...

Hatupaswi kutokuwa na Spika kwenye hicho kiti hata kama ni sekunde moja. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Methu, proceed.

Thank you very much, Mr. Deputy Speaker. You know, there is a challenge of time zones in Laikipia. Therefore, we should understand the Senator for Laikipia. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I also had an opportunity of being here when your assistant or a person who used to work in your...

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Of course, I am. Without anticipating debate, let me say--- Can I amend it that way then proceed? December 30, 2022 SENATE DEBATES 8

Of course, I am. Without anticipating debate, let me say--- Can I amend it that way then proceed? The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed without referring to other matters that are yet to come.

Let me stop there because I do not want to lose my point. Article 96 of the Constitution sets out the role of the Senate. Sen. Wafula, it will be your responsibility and all of us in this House to protect the interests of the county governments and the counties....

Asante Bw. Naibu Spika kwa kunipa fursa hii kumpongeza Seneta mteule, Sen. Wafula. Kwanza, ameweza kuregeshea hadhi chama cha Ford Kenya ambacho ni chama cha kutoka mwanzo katika vyama ambavyo vilipigania vyama vingi nchini Kenya. [The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) left the Chair] [The Speaker (Hon. Kingi) resumed the Chair]...

Bw. Spika, hiyo ni siasa. Ningependa nikiyazungumza mambo haya, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale awe hapa kwa kuwa alijipiga kifua sana kwamba anachukua kiti cha Kaunti ya Bungoma. Lakini, nafikiri ‘alilamba lolo’ na tutayaachia hapo kwa sasa.

Sen. Kathuri, please, proceed.

Sen. Kathuri

Mr. Speaker, Sir, thank you for giving me this chance. I also take the opportunity to congratulate the newly elected Member for Bungoma. I thank the constituents of Bungoma County for voting in the new Senator, Sen. Wafula. I actually visited Bungoma County during the campaigns. The runner up is...

Senators, please, proceed to your seats.

Sen. Kathuri

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, you have been recognized enough. Karibu sana. You overstayed at the Bar. I do not know whether you wanted us to stand up, but you have been recognized. Your presence and that of your entire Committee is well noticed. I congratulate Sen. Wafula and ask him to...

Sen. Beth Syengo, please, proceed.

Sen. Kathuri

Plenary Contribution 20th December 2022

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Certified Hansard section Tuesday, 20th December, 2022 - Afternoon Sitting

Sen. Kathuri Sen. Kathuri, this matter having emanated from your county, you should be the last to speak. The Senate Majority Leader (Sen. Cheruiyot) : Be very careful what you say.

Sen. Kathuri Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for this chance. I have had the opportunity to listen to almost every Senator make their contribution; the majority who agree that this is the way to go and the few that maybe for one reason or the other thought otherwise, their views...

Plenary Contribution 1st December 2022

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Certified Hansard section Thursday, 1st December, 2022 - Afternoon Sitting

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Members, we are short of quorum by two Members. Kindly ring the Bell. (The Quorum Bell was rung) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I can now confirm that there is quorum. Let us now proceed to transact our business. Clerk, proceed. COMMUNICATION FROM THE...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Sen. Cheptumo. You know I was also trying to catch your eye so that you can also see that I am here. (Laughter)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, I see the Senator for Baringo County is trying to remind you that--- I was in this Chair. He said that when LAPSET went to Samburu, it was diverted. It went to Turkana and bypassed Baringo. The argument was from the Senator...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Let us make very brief comments. You can use two minutes, kindly. We have a lot of Business to transact. Let us hear from Sen. (Dr.) Lelegwe Ltumbesi, the Senate Deputy Majority Whip.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Can we hear from the Senate Minority Leader, Sen. Madzayo? The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Madzayo) : Asante, Bw. Naibu Spika.(Applause) Asante, Bw. Naibu Spika. (Applause) December 1, 2022 SENATE DEBATES 5 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Asante Sana. Tumskize Seneta wa Kaunti ya Nandi....

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I do not want to run the risk of speaking in Kiswahili because I am not good at it. Let me join my colleagues in welcoming the Members of Baringo County Assembly to the ‘Upper House’, the House of union. I can assure them that they...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Vile umetafsiri, sijui kama ni kiingereza ndiyo inachanganya ama vipi. Sijaskia akisema hivyo. Sen. Cherarkey, kindly have your seat for a minute. Sen. Cheptumo, please proceed.

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, these are leaders who are at the grassroots level and yet you see the SRC denying them some of their basic rights. It is very unfortunate that they need to beg for car grants and mileage allowance yet they do a very...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)County assemblies must be equipped to perform their role and also to understand the role of Senate under Article 96. They should also ensure their primary role of oversight is undertaken in line with the law.We do not want to have county assemblies that go to...

County assemblies must be equipped to perform their role and also to understand the role of Senate under Article 96. They should also ensure their primary role of oversight is undertaken in line with the law.We do not want to have county assemblies that go to bed with the Executive...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table of the Senate today, Thursday, 1st December, 2022. PAPERS LAID The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Senate Deputy Majority Whip, please proceed.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table of the Senate today, Thursday, 1st December, 2022. THE STATUTORY INSTRUMENTS REGULATIONS, LEGAL NOTICE NO. 217 OF 2022 REPORTS OF THE AUDITOR-GENERAL FOR VARIOUS COUNTY GOVERNMENTS December 1, 2022 SENATE DEBATES 10 THE PARLIAMENTARY SERVICE COMMISSION...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Next Order. There is a Statement from Sen. Crystal Asige who will be represented by Sen. Lemaltian. Sen. Lemaltian, kindly proceed. STATEMENTS INTERNATIONAL DAY OF PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES

Thank you Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. On behalf of my colleague, Sen. Crystal Asige who is in Juba, I want to read her Statement on the matter of International Day of Persons with Disabilities (PWDs) . Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.52 (1) to make...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you. Next is the Statement by Sen. Cherarkey. COMPENSATION TO RESIDENTS OF MIHANG’O WARD FOR ILLEGAL DEMOLITION OF HOUSES

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I can see Sen. Orwoba. Do you want to make a comment on this Statement? (Sen. Orwoba spoke off-record) Kindly proceed. STATUS OF ATHLETICS AND MANAGEMENT OF ATHLETES IN THE COUNTRY

Thank you very much Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I wish to request for a Statement on the status of athletics and management of athletes following poor performance at the 2021 Tokyo Olympics. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise, pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) , to seek a Statement from...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir and thank you, Sen. Cherarkey for bringing this to light. I think in this industry of sports, we have had a lot of hiccups in the past. Therefore, before we are able to move forward and know how to further push our sports economy,...

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) That is a cup full of information. The next Statement is from the Senator for Taita Taveta County and I can see he is not around. He (Laughter)

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. THE BORDER DISPUTE BETWEEN KISUMU, NANDI AND KERICHO COUNTIES

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I beg to make a Statement pursuant to Standing Order No. 56 (1) (a) in response to the Statement by Sen. (Prof.) Tom Ojienda, SC regarding the border dispute between Kisumu, Nandi and Kericho counties. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise, pursuant to Standing...

On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) What is it the Senate Majority Whip?

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, unless the tradition has changed, our practice for many years has been that an answer to a Statement requested for by a Member is given when the Member is in the House.

What? Come again.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I have noticed that Sen. (Prof.) Tom Ojienda, SC, is not in the House. So, who is receiving the Statement? The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, I also saw the Senator for Kisumu County in here and that is also the assumption of the...

On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed, Sen. Cherarkey.

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, adding on your ruling, can you kindly direct the Committee and the Chairperson to also share with us the response so that we do not suffer unfairness in terms of the response. This is because they are discussing the boundary that we...

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) You could have done things the other way round; you first give us the Statement from the Senate Majority Leader because you are presenting it on his behalf and he did not instruct you to start the way you have started.

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, as I speak, it is no longer the threat of loss of livestock; it is a threat of loss of lives that we are facing in the ASALs counties. So far, the rains are not doing well. Hopefully, as we wait for...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Let me continue with the issue of the drought in Turkana County and majority of the Arid and Semi-Arid Lands (ASALs) . Many hon. colleagues spoke yesterday about how the severe drought has ravaged this country. We have concluded that there could be systemic...

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I have no idea listening to the point of order from Sen--- December 1, 2022 SENATE DEBATES 29

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, Sen. Cherarkey is totally out of Order because what we are talking about today is something affecting 70 per cent of Kenyans. The people of Kenya together with their animals are dying. It is not kings who are dying- -- It is not an issue of...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I have no idea listening to the point of order from Sen--- The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sorry, it is important to be on one side. Let us hear from Sen. Wamatinga Wahome. Is it a point of order?

Thank you very much. It is a point of information as Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale addresses ASAL areas, he should not forget that 52 per cent of Nyeri County is ASAL. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Yes, Sen.(Dr.) Lelegwe Steve? The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) First hear whether he wants to...

The drafters of the Constitution knew very well-- - (Sen. Cherarkey spoke off record) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) That is why I am asking because you also know---

Sen. Cherarkey, the Speaker has given me a chance to inform you. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)(Laughter)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)(Applause) (Laughter)

I am informing Sen. Cherarkey that the drafters of our Constitution knew very well that there was inequality in Kenya. December 1, 2022 SENATE DEBATES 30 (Applause)

On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) No. Sen. Chute Mohamed, Lemaltian Hezena are both on request. I think that they want to contribute to the Motion. So, those are not points of order.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)While I empathize and sympathize with the over four million Kenyans that suffer from hunger, I am just calling out for accountability and transparency from county governments. Why are Senators protecting their counties yet we know money is going there?What is Mandera County doing to provide...

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)when there was an issue concerning maize. These maize farmers were pastoralists who left their way of life and went into farming, Sen. Cherarkey does not understand where the shoe pinches. He cannot sit confidently beside Sen. Lelegwe and misrepresent Samburu and Turkana counties.The North has...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Is Sen. Cherarkey in order to mislead, not just this House, but the entire country? When we experience losses in the agricultural communities; coffee and maize farmers receive subsidies from the Government. Why is it that the same Government...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) They did.

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)Order, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale!(Laughter) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Today, we are at a point where little girls and boys, the age mates of my daughters and grandchildren are dying because there is no food anywhere. It is not a laughing matter. This arrogance was...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I stand corrected. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, this is not a market place. You cannot just start singing Luhya songs which nobody understands.

I stand corrected and guided. That brings me to my next point. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)This brings me to an experience I had last month in Kigali. We were in an international conference of the Inter-parliamentary Union in Kigali. The people of Pakistan, experiencing a worse disaster than the...

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I do not see anything out of order. December 1, 2022 SENATE DEBATES 35

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, is Sen. Lemaltian under Standing Order No.98 and 101 in order to state that a Senator belongs to only one region or county? When we seat here, we are the Senators of the Republic of Kenya and not the Senators of a tribal chiefdom somewhere in...

Thank you. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I am trying to align my thinking and my mind.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, also, is it in order to allege--- The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) You are on a point of argument not a point of order.

Is it in order--- The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Orwoba, please proceed.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I stand on a point of order under Standing Order No.98 (4) which states as follows- “The Speaker or the chairperson shall order any Senator who unnecessarily and persistently interrupts proceedings or consults loudly and disruptively to withdraw from the Chamber and Standing Order 121 (Disorderly...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen Kathuri)sometimes toe the line of his argument and know when to be a pastoralist and when to be a Senator.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen Kathuri) I call upon the Mover to reply.

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. As counties in the ASAL region, we are seeking that the Universal Health Care percentage be increased from 20 per cent to 100 per cent because a lot of people in the north are affected by lack of hospitals. We have had initiatives like...

Plenary Contribution 30th November 2022

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Certified Hansard section Wednesday, 30th November, 2022 - Afternoon Sitting

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Clerk, kindly confirm whether we have a quorum to transact business. Kindly ring the Quorum Bell for ten minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) We have ascertained that we now have a quorum. Let us proceed to the next Order....

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Is the point of order from the communication that I have made or from a different matter?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Yes, proceed, Sen. Cherarkey.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed, Sen. Sifuna.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Do not mind questioning the Chair because it is a very simple matter. Although I want to give another Senator the Floor now.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Let me hear from the Senate Minority Whip. This issue was initiated by the Senate Majority Whip. Let us now hear---this is also a point of order from the Senate Minority Whip. Proceed, Sen. Dullo

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed, Sen. Cheptumo, Chairperson Committee on National security, Defense and Foreign Relations.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed, Sen. Orwoba.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed, Senate Deputy Majority Whip, Sen. (Dr.) Lelegwe. This is the last one on this issue.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Now on the list is Sen. Mohamed Abdalla Shakila.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I thought Sen. (Dr.) Lelegwe Ltumbesi is waiting for my ruling because you have raised a matter. Hon. Senators, this is a straightforward matter. I wish it was moved by a different Member and not the Senate Majority Whip. My question, as the Chair, is;...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, pursuant to Standing Order No.238 (1) , the Petition is hereby committed to the Standing Committee on Agriculture, Livestock and Fisheries for its consideration. In terms of Standing Order No. 238 (2) , the Committee is required, in not more than 60 calendar...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) What is your point of order, Sen. Cherarkey? November 30, 2022 SENATE DEBATES 10

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Cherarkey, you are very audible and everybody is hearing you. Where is the noise from? I cannot hear it.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Okay. We have another Paper by the Chairperson Standing Committee on National Security, Defence and Foreign Relations. REPORT ON HEIGHTENED INSECURITY IN MUTHA WARD, KITUI COUNTY

The Deputy Speaker (Sen Kathuri) Sen. Chute, you will have that opportunity to discuss the Motion when you will be moving it. So, just give notice. Read it as it is and then you will have enough time later.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Sen. Chute. There is another notice of Motion by the Chairperson Standing Committee on National Security. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON HEIGHTENED INSECURITY IN MUTHA WARD KITUI COUNTY

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Next Order. We have several Statements. Let us get the first one from Sen. Murgor.You had a Statement, Sen. Murgor?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Approach the Table for assistance. (Sen. Murgor approached the Dispatch Box) Let us move to Sen. (Dr.) Lelegwe Ltumbesi’s statement in the meantime. STATEMENTS STATUS OF IMPLEMENTATION OF THE LAPSSET PROJECT IN SAMBURU COUNTY

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Let us go back to Sen. Murgor’s statement. IMPORTANCE OF ESTABLISHING WOMEN SELF HELP GROUPS IN CONFLICT PRONE AREAS

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I will allow a few comments for the two Statements. Yes, Sen. Dullo.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you. Proceed, Sen. Abass.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) It is okay. You can comment on both Statements. Please proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) The Statements were from Sen. Murgor and Sen. (Dr.) Lelegwe Ltumbesi. Proceed, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, the Senate Majority Whip. Let the whole House benefit from your discussion with Sen. Shakila Abdalla.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed, Sen. Cheptumo.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. J. Lomenen, you may have the Floor.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) We have almost exhausted the time for our Statements. I will give one minute each to the following three Senators. Sen. Chute, Sen. Wamatinga and Sen. Murgor.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Wamatinga, you have one minute.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Give the Senator one more minute. That was an anti-climax.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) The last one is Sen. Murgor.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, we have a delegation from Kisumu and Bomet counties, seated in the Speaker’s Gallery. I acknowledge the presence in the Speaker’s Gallery, this afternoon, of visiting members of staff from the County Assemblies of Kisumu and Bomet who are in the Senate for...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you. Let us now have Sen. Shakila Abdalla. DELAY IN COMPENSATION TO FISHERMEN IN LAMU COUNTY AFFECTED BY THE LAPPSET CORRIDOR PROJECT

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) For record purposes, the two statements by Sen. Mwaruma are dropped because he is not around. The Statement by the Senator for Mombasa County, Sen. Faki, is also dropped. COUNTY BOUNDARY CUTLINE BETWEEN TAITA TAVETA AND NEIGHBORING COUNTIES ACQUISITION OF LAND BELONGING TO RESIDENTS OF...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) All the Statements read stand referred to the relevant committees. The Statements by the Senators for Taita-Taveta and Mombasa counties have been deferred to the next sitting. Next Order. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) The Mover of the Motion, Sen. Kajwang’, is not in the...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Lomenen, I guide you to read the Motion as it is on the Order Paper then we get a seconder.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Lomenen, just beg to move and read it as it is.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Lomenen, kindly approach the Clerk- at-the-Table for some guidance. You may have a different document. (Sen. Lomenen approached the Clerk-at-the-Table) What is your point of order Sen. Cherarkey? I hope it is not on the Motion by the Sen. Lomenen kindly, because you never...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Okay, proceed. [The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) left the Chair] [The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Abdul Haji) in the Chair] DROUGHT AND HUNGER MITIGATION IN TURKANA COUNTY

Plenary Contribution 24th November 2022

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Certified Hansard section Thursday, 24th November, 2022 - Afternoon Sitting

Sen. Kathuri Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for this opportunity to comment on the Statement by Sen. Kibwana. When I saw this in the news the other day, I was really concerned as a Kenyan. If you saw how that tree was loaded into the trucks to be ferried into...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) What is your point of order, Majority Whip?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, was that a request or a point of order? You did not read my intention or what I was to do after she finishes. There are several requests and I was to start with Sen. Cherarkey. After that, you can make your...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, I have two or three requests and I want to give each Member two minutes. Please bear with me on this. Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, please, proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Senator, you have made your point on corruption. Proceed, Sen. Mumma.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Sen. Mumma Sen. Wamatinga, you have the Floor. You are the last to debate.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Okay, thank you. Now, let us get the Statement from the Senate Majority Leader. November 24, 2022 SENATE DEBATES 25 BUSINESS FOR THE WEEK COMMENCING TUESDAY, 29TH NOVEMBER, 2022

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Majority Leader. Next Order. November 24, 2022 SENATE DEBATES 27 PLIGHT OF KENYAN DOMESTIC WORKERS IN THE MIDDLE EAST November 24, 2022 SENATE DEBATES 28 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)of a legal framework defining the roles of migrant workers in order to adhere...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Cherarkey, you know you must use a language that is understandable to the country. I am trying to think what “eating fare” means. I am not getting it. Perhaps, you may use a language that is understandable. November 24, 2022 SENATE DEBATES 31

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I saw Sen. Orwoba was struggling and shaking her head because the language was a bit not understandable. You can proceed and conclude on your statement.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) There is a point of order from Sen. Orwoba.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed, Sen. Cherarkey.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you. Let us have the Kericho Senator who also doubles up as the Senate Majority Leader.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Senate Majority Leader. Sen. Mumma.

Plenary Contribution 23rd November 2022

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Certified Hansard section Wednesday, 23rd November, 2022 - Afternoon Sitting

Sen. Kathuri Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No. 53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Labor and Social Welfare on the establishment and management of sports training academies in counties. In the Statement, the Committee should -

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, thank you for this opportunity. I do not know why my neighbor Sen. Osotsi is on fire. You need to direct the catering and facility services to investigate what Members are eating. This is because the Senator is on fire today...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. First, it is public knowledge that my ancestral home is in Bungoma where for a very long time we were sugarcane farmers. It was quite interesting watching my brother Sen. Cherarkey speak because they say if you watch or...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)November 23, 2022 SENATE DEBAT 33 November 23, 2022 SENATE DEBAT 33

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Alright. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. One minute please.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am still learning the ropes; it is quite a dense forest. We know that the GMOs pose a great risk to the bio-diversity of our environment. This is because, through cross pollination, we have super seeds. If there is pollination...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise to support the Motion by Sen. Gataya Mo Fire. It is coming at the right time when the country is facing a very difficult situation of drought and climate change. It is coming at a time when everywhere in...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for allowing me to contribute to this important Motion and congratulate Sen. Gataya Mo Fire for bringing up the issue. Food security is the first line of defence for any country. It is the most important activity for any...

Plenary Contribution 17th November 2022

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Certified Hansard section Thursday, 17th November, 2022 - Afternoon Sitting

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) The numbers that we have do not make quorum to start the business of the day. Senate Majority Whip, make sure that we have the requisite numbers. Meanwhile, let the Quorum Bell be rung. (The Quorum Bell was rung) We now have quorum. Let us...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed. LAND ACQUISITION FOR THE LAPSSET CORRIDOR PROGRAM

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) What is it, Sen. Cherarkey? (Sen. Cherarkey spoke off the record) Yes, proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, what is your point of order?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Cherarkey needs to inform the House who came first. Is it the forest or the evictee? (Laughter)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Cherarkey, proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Faki is not ‘people’. He is a honourable Member of this House and Senator of Mombasa County.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Cherarkey, I am talking to you. Did you hear what Sen. Faki spoke about? He stated what you did at that time and did not defend anybody. You were to defend yourself by stating whether you voted against the Report. Sen. Oketch Gicheru, proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Cherarkey, this was a straightforward matter.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) No. Sen. Faki, proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Let us get the other point of order. Members should specify the Standing Order they are rising on. Sen. Thang’wa, you have the Floor.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Thang’wa, Sen. Cherarkey is safe. If he needs any protection, I will be there for him. Proceed and finish up your remarks. Choose your words carefully because we do not want further point of orders on your statements.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you. There is no other request. Let us have the two Statements from Sen. (Prof.) Tom Ojienda.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Is it a point of order or you want to make a comment on the Statement?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) He is already done with the Statement. Is it concerning the Statement or a different matter?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Then make a comment on the Statement and not a point or order.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Members, you are taking the wrong route. You are interrogating your own colleagues in the Chamber. I think you are opening a Pandora box. Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, do not go that route because you might be asked some serious questions which you will not...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) You made your case. We will hear from Sen. (Prof.) Tom Ojienda.

The Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Make your comments, Sen. Cherarkey.

The Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) There is a point of order, Sen. Cherarkey. Yes, Sen. Dullo.

The Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I have allowed Senators to make comments in one or two minutes but I indulged the professor because he was explaining a pertinent matter.

The Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Just a minute, Sen. Cherarkey.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Cherarkei proceed and finish up.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Joe Nyutu, proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) It is now okay. Kindly proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Sen. Mumma. Hon. Senators, we made some resolutions while in Mombasa and agreed that Statement hour is strictly one hour. We have several requests but we only have 10 minutes to 3.30 p.m. When I allow you to speak, kindly make your comments...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Kindly, proceed, Sen. Osotsi. You also have two minutes.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Kindly proceed, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale. You have two minutes.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Yes, Sen. (Prof.) Tom Ojienda.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Distinguished Senator for Kisumu County, let me assist you.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, be advised that, if you want to discuss our colleague, Sen. (Prof.) Tom Ojienda, SC, use Standing Order no. 114. Bring a Motion to discuss those matters. Then you can discuss issues concerning your colleague Senator. Secondly, you have mentioned other Kenyans...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) He has challenged you after you mentioned his name.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Bring the Motion first. Do not add anything on that.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Next week.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, no, you cannot proceed that way.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, you are out of order. (Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale spoke off record) (Loud consultations)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) It is only Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale who is out of order not Sen. (Prof.) Tom Ojienda, SC. November 17, 2022 SENATE DEBATES 14

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) He was provoked beyond reasonable parameters.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Oketch Gicheru, you may have the Floor.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Olekina, you may have the Floor.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Resume you sit, Sen. Olekina. The two Statements are referred to the Senate Standing Committee on Agriculture, Livestock and Fisheries. Sen. Cheptumo, you may have the Floor.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Cheptumo, I gave you time to speak on a different matter, not on this issue.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Sen. Cheptumo. I hope Members are now well advised that issues on relief should be directed to the Committee on Labour and Social Welfare, which is now in charge of the food distribution and not the Committee on National Security, Defence and Foreign...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Then, make your comment. It is Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale who digressed and that is why I was forced to cut that debate on the sugar issue.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Senate Majority Leader, are you taking my position and giving it to the Deputy Clerk?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) No problem.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, the Senate Majority Leader. Let us proceed to the next Order. THE COUNTY GOVERNMENTS ADDITIONAL ALLOCATIONS (NO. 2) BILL (SENATE BILLS NO. 4 OF 2022) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed, Sen. Ali Roba.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) He is moving the Bill. Is it a point of order on the Bill? You will have time for contribution, either to support it or not. Proceed, Sen. Ali Roba. (Sen. Cherarkey spoke off-record) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) What is it? Which Standing Order...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Sen. Cherarkey. You have interrupted him but from where I sit, I know he will mention about the issue which you are raising. Do not interrupt him. Please listen.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Just a moment, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale. What is your point of order, Sen. Faki?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Nikiongeza kidogo, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale hakuwa Bungeni Muhula uliopita. Ningependa kumweleza kuwa siku hizi utaratibu wa marginalization unaenda hadi kwenye kata ndogo na zinainishwa. Iwapo kuna eneo fulani la Kaunti ya Kakamega lenye umasikini, hilo eneo linachukuliwa na kupewa hela za kutengwa. (Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I now allow Senators to make their comments. Proceed, Sen. Olekina.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed, Senate Majority Leader.

The Deputy Speaker (Kathuri) Sen. Oketch Gicheru, please proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Senator. Sen. Okenyuri, please, proceed

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you. Sen. Sifuna, you have the Floor.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Let us now listen to Sen. Cherarkey.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Cherarkey, the Senator for Migori county wants to inform you.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Do you want to be informed? November 17, 2022 SENATE DEBATES 38

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Cherarkey, there is another point of information. He is not your junior but is your agemate.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Cherarkey, I did not want to interrupt but you made some good points. You are challenging this Kshs5.2 billion conditional grants, leasing of medical equipment. You are a legislator in this House and you are lamenting and wondering. Yet there are people out there...

Plenary Contribution 10th November 2022

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Certified Hansard section Thursday, 10th November, 2022 - Afternoon Sitting

Sen. Kathuri Mr. Speaker Sir, I rise, Pursuant to Standing Order No. 53 (1) , to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Roads, Transportation, and Housing regarding the need to redesign a section of the road on the Nithi Bridge on the Meru- Nairobi Highway and the construction...

Sen. Kathuri Bw. Spika, Seneta wa Mombasa anajua hii kilimo ndio imewezesha watu wake wafaulu. Hio pesa inayodaiwa inachukuliwa na serikali ya Kaunti ya Mombasa kwa kiwango kikubwa sana. Naomba nimfahamishe kwamba miraa siku hizi ni mmea kama kahawa, miwa, majani chai, korosho na mnazi. Asiharibu mmea unaotulea huko Meru...

Sen. Kathuri Mr. Speaker, Sir, mine was a point of information. I was informing Sen. Faki that he is defaming a cash crop and it is “bread” to many people in Meru and Embu counties. I have planted 15 acres of Muguka. I had a discussion with Sen. Faki sometime...

Sen. Kathuri On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir!

Sen. Kathuri Mr. Speaker, Sir, this is a House of records and honour. Members of this House should really speak to the facts. I stand under Standing Order No.105, on responsibilities for statement of facts. We should not spend the whole afternoon criminalizing crops which are a livelihood to many...

Plenary Contribution 9th November 2022

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Certified Hansard section Wednesday, 9th November, 2022 - Afternoon Sitting

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, we have a visiting delegation from the Nigeria this afternoon. I would like to acknowledge the presence, in the Speaker’s Gallery, of a visiting delegation from the Nigerian National Assembly Service Commission (NNASC) , who are here on a benchmarking visit. The delegation...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Yes, I will give you latitude to get to your seat. (Sen. Korir walked into the Chamber and took her seat) Hon. Senators I will repeat. November 9, 2022 SENATE DEBATES 2 MESSAGE FROM THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY APPROVAL OF MPS FOR APPOINTMENT TO THE PARLIAMENTARY...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I was waiting for the Chairperson of the Standing Committee on National Security, Defence and Foreign Relations. REPORT ON THE APPROVAL OF APPOINTMENT OF ENG. JAPHETH KOOME NCHEBERE AS THE INSPECTOR-GENERAL OF NPS

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) There was another Paper by the Senate Majority Leader, but you will do that later. Let us go to the next Order. NOTICE OF MOTION APPROVAL OF ENG. JAPHETH KOOME NCHEBERE AS INSPECTOR GENERAL OF THE NPS The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed, Chairperson of...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Chairperson, Standing Committee on National Security, Defence and Foreign Relations. There was also a Notice of Motion by the Senate Majority Leader. I will give him an opportunity to give the Notice of Motion when he is around. Let us go to the...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)Sorry, Sen. Kavindu Muthama.(Laughter) November 9, 2022 SENATE DEBATES 7 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)bowed to the Chair and took her seat) Yes, that is good. Sen. Kavindu Muthama, proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Senator. This Statement is referred to the Standing Committee on Tourism, Trade and Industrialisation. (The Statement was committed to the Standing Committee on Tourism, Trade and Industrialisation) Let us move to the next Statement by Sen. Munyi Mundigi. (Sen. Munyi Mundigi’s microphone went...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you. The Statement is referred to the Standing Committee on Justice, Legal Affairs and Human Rights. (The Statement was committed to the Standing Committee on Justice, Legal Affairs and Human Rights) We have the third Statement, pursuant to Standing Order No. (56) (1) Sen....

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Okay. That is well noted Chair. Next Order. APPROVAL OF ENG. JAPHETH KOOME NCHEBERE AS INSPECTOR GENERAL OF THE NPS The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I saw the Chair of the Committee on National Security, Defence and Foreign Affairs two minutes ago. He crossed to...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Who is seconding the Motion? Sen. Seki are you a Member of the Committee?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I can see that a number of Members have interest in this matter. Sen. Osotsi, kindly proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Omogeni, the Floor is yours.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you. Let us now listen to Sen. Faki.

Sen. Kathuri) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I have known Eng. Koome for the last 31years. For the first time in Kenyan history, the Police Service is going to get an experienced officer who has risen through the ranks. Asante. Kindly proceed, Sen. Gataya.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)Sen. Murgor, proceed. November 9, 2022 SENATE DEBATES 15 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Murgor, proceed.

Thank you very much, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for giving me the opportunity to air my views about the incoming Inspector General of Police (IG) . In him, I saw a person from a humble background like any other child in Kenya. He joined the force at the rank of...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise to support the Motion. My advice to Eng. Koome is to take charge of the responsibilities that are about to be bestowed on him. The responsibilities are so huge, large and important for this nation. The security of our...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise to support the Motion. My advice to Eng. Koome is to take charge of the responsibilities that are about to be bestowed on him. The responsibilities are so huge, large and important for this nation. The security of our nation and people cannot be...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)I then joined the Office of the Deputy President as an Assistant Director, Research in the Strategy and Delivery Unit. Now, I am a Nominated Senator, through the United Democratic Alliance Party (UDA), serving the people of Kisii, Kenya, women at large and young people.Mr. Deputy...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed, Sen. Kavindu Muthama

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I also rise to support the report of the Committee on National Security, Defence and Foreign Relations on the appointment of Eng. Japheth Koome as our new IG. I join my colleagues who have said that he comes on board with...